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Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


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I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html
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Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


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http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html


I can get in but after a couple of seconds it is covered up with the ad to
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http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html


I can get in but after a couple of seconds it is covered up with the ad to
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Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html



To see the article you need to be a member of slate plus. Cost $5 a month or
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Ophelia wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message ...
wrote:

Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html


I can get in but after a couple of seconds it is covered up with the ad to
join the mailing list. It makes it completely unreadable.


HA! *FINALLY* a benefit of using an old OP system (Win98) and an old
browzer (Netscape 4.7). lol

After all these years, I finally win briefly. :-D
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Robert wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message ...

wrote:

Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html



To see the article you need to be a member of slate plus. Cost $5 a month or
$55 a year. Not worth it for one article.

Robert


If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.
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"Gary" wrote in message ...
Robert wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message ...

wrote:

Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.

I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html



To see the article you need to be a member of slate plus. Cost $5 a month
or
$55 a year. Not worth it for one article.

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If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.


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"Gary" wrote in message ...
Ophelia wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message
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wrote:

Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.

I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html


I can get in but after a couple of seconds it is covered up with the ad
to
join the mailing list. It makes it completely unreadable.


HA! *FINALLY* a benefit of using an old OP system (Win98) and an old
browzer (Netscape 4.7). lol

After all these years, I finally win briefly. :-D


Pah you are just too posh g



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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 07:33:52 -0500, Gary wrote:




If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.


They lie. Are they going to me how going out for a $5 to $10 lunch is
cheaper than a leftover chicken thigh and scoop of mashed potatoes or
a similar lunch that I take? I guess I didn't miss much not seeing
it.
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On 12/9/2015 7:53 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 07:33:52 -0500, Gary wrote:




If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.


They lie. Are they going to me how going out for a $5 to $10 lunch is
cheaper than a leftover chicken thigh and scoop of mashed potatoes or
a similar lunch that I take? I guess I didn't miss much not seeing
it.


For years we had a company subsidized cafeteria at work, they might
have been right there. Who has that anymore, not too many people.
And if you work in a city, your sandwich is going to cost more, if
not you probably have to get in your car to go get something for lunch.
That alone adds up.

It makes no sense to say you won't save money by bringing your lunch.
Maybe they bring way fancier lunches than I would.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Gary wrote:
If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.


They lie. Are they going to me how going out for a $5 to $10 lunch is
cheaper than a leftover chicken thigh and scoop of mashed potatoes or
a similar lunch that I take? I guess I didn't miss much not seeing
it.


Since you are the third person here that can't see it, here it is all
below. First the picture on top of the article:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2im7xue.jpg

Now the text. Sorry...this old browser shows layout info too. It's
normally hidden but you can read past that and get the entire article.

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Stop Telling Me to Make My Own Lunch

Everyone says brown-bagging it is cheaper and healthier. Theyre
wrong€”but it wouldnt matter if they were right.

By L.V. Anderson

http://i63.tinypic.com/2im7xue.jpg
Photo illustration by Slate. Sandwiches by Lori Sparkia/Thinkstock and
iStock/Thinkstock.

This summer, New York public radio host Leonard Lopate launched a
campaign pushing listeners to quit their takeout habit
and start bringing lunch from home. Citing statistics about how much
money Americans spend—and how many extra
calories they absorb—eating lunch out, Lopate asserted,
“We need to change our lunch habits, together.”

L.V. Anderson

L.V. Anderson is a Slate associate editor.


Lopate’s campaign reflected the conventional wisdom: Bringing
lunch from home is better, for your health and your
wallet, than eating lunch out. You can find online calculators that
take your cost of making a bagged lunch and buying lunch
out—it’s taken for granted that the former is less
expensive than the latter—and tell you how much
you’d end up with if you invested the difference instead. There
are entire books devoted to converting readers to the
bagged-lunch cause. The subtly titled Huffington Post essay
“Buying Your Lunch Is a Terrible Idea. The End. No
More Debates” has been Liked on Facebook more than 14,000 times.

I’m sick of this bring-your-lunch consensus. It’s based on
questionable assumptions about what’s inside
your brown bag and how much you paid for the ingredients. It’s
also obnoxiously moralistic—which makes
sense, since it’s about diet and money, the topics Americans
most enjoy lecturing one another about.

First, the math. It’s probably true that the average takeout
lunch is more expensive than the average homemade lunch,
but the numbers vary a ton depending on what you’re eating.
Sure, if you compare a homemade turkey sandwich (the
HuffPo writer’s lunch of choice) to a Chipotle burrito bowl,
you’ll come out ahead when you brown-bag it. But
if you try to replicate that Chipotle meal at home, guacamole and all,
your savings are a lot slimmer. (The Billfold’s
Mike Dang calculated that a homemade Chipotle bowl cost $4.03 when
assembled from cheap ingredients from Trader
Joe’s, but (a) most grocery stores are more expensive than
Trader Joe’s, and (b) Dang budgeted a quarter of an
avocado per serving, which is not nearly enough avocado.) And the cost
of ingredients ignores the time and labor it takes to
shop for, cook, and assemble your burrito bowls—time and labor
that you could spend on more lucrative or more
enjoyable activities. If you dislike cooking and have a bit of
disposable income, it might be rational to outsource lunch.

Secondly, homemade lunches are not necessarily healthier than takeout
lunches. That turkey sandwich leaves a lot to be
desired, nutritionally, and even if it’s lower in calories, that
doesn’t make it healthier than a burrito bowl.
It’s true that you have more control over your ingredients when
you make your own lunch, which is especially useful if
you have a dietary restriction, but there are plenty of new fast-food
options that serve vegetables, beans, and whole
grains—like the salad joint Sweetgreen and the Asian rice-bowl
concept ShopHouse. I often patronize Dig Inn, a New
York chain that serves a variety of interesting salads and freshly
cooked vegetables (a selection of three costs only $6).
Obviously, whether you have access to a healthy takeout restaurant
depends on where you work—you’ll have
more choices in a major city. But the notion that takeout food is
intrinsically bad for you grows less and less true with each
passing year.

It should go without saying that the healthfulness and cost of your
lunch depend more on what you eat than on where it came
from. And yet so much of the discourse around lunch insists on the
oversimplified dichotomy homemade lunch good, takeout
lunch bad. The aforementioned HuffPo article derides the notion that
going out for lunch makes some people happy by saying,
“Think of how happy your future children will be when you can
fund their college education, people!” The press
release for the study cited by Lopate quotes an expert saying,
“Going into debt for a tuna sandwich isn’t worth
it,” which is helpful advice if you’re an insane straw
man. (The study, by the way, found that the average
American spends a total of $936 eating lunch out each year, which
doesn’t strike me as an outrageous sum.) A Time
article on lunch begins with what may be the most condescending lead
of all time:

For years—no, decades—I’ve marveled at the
lunch habits of my friends and colleagues.
Where did they get the money to eat out every day? And even if
they earned decent incomes, why did they
choose to spend them this way?

The brown-bag crowd ignores not only the evidence that homemade
lunches are not necessarily cheaper and healthier than the
alternative, but also the fact that preferences vary from person to
person. Not everyone values saving money more than they
value the pleasure and convenience of a takeout meal. This
doesn’t make people who buy lunch reckless ignoramuses;
it makes them human beings. (Also: If you find that you can’t
save money, it probably has more to do with flat wages
and rising housing, education, and health care costs than with your
profligate lunchtime spending—but that’s a
topic for my colleague Helaine Olen.)

As I write this, I’m eating a lunch I brought from home:
leftovers from last night’s brown rice–tomato
pilaf. As much as I hate the moral smugness of brown-bag evangelists,
I confess that I like bringing lunch from home.
It’s not about cost or health so much as it’s about
feeling like a competent adult—or engaging in
“self-care,” if you prefer. I also feel less wasteful when
I’m not throwing away tons of packaging from
takeout meals. This pilaf tastes fine, and it’s relatively cheap
and healthy, but I wouldn’t want to eat it every day.
Which is why I’ll be going out for lunch tomorrow, and refusing
to feel guilty about it.
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On 12/9/2015 6:31 AM, Gary wrote:
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Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.


I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html

I can get it but they want me to sign up for $50 a year... no thanks.

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On 12/9/2015 7:33 AM, Gary wrote:
Robert wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message ...

wrote:

Can anyone actually ACCESS this article? I couldn't.

I got it fine. Try again. If no luck, try a different browser.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/s...healthier.html



To see the article you need to be a member of slate plus. Cost $5 a month or
$55 a year. Not worth it for one article.

Robert


If that's a problem with any here, I can copy and post the text. The 2
pictures were of some crappy looking homemade sandwich and the other
was some super nice purchased sandwich. The article basically telling
you that you don't really save lunch money by bringing your own lunch
to work.

They'd be wrong. I never took crappy homemade sandwiches for lunch. I
took leftovers like pot roast with gravy & veggies to be heated in the
microwave. My co-workers, OTOH, always came back from their lunch break
with bags from some fast food joint that cost them at least $5 a pop.
(Meanwhile, I paid just over that for the entire home made pot roast
meal, not just what I brought for lunch.) Then they'd complain about
not having any money.

Jill


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