Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
not being totally forthcoming.

I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
a $50 minimum order.

I loved it because if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or meat
or something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m. The
meat was very high quality, the produce fresh, they sell bread that I can
eat, they sell all sort of items that we want but I can't find anywhere else
and best of all the prices overall were as good or better than I could do in
brick and mortar stores.

But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200 for
me to get their grocery delivery. Now technically, I can still get free
delivery for the next 30 days but at the end of that, I am automatically
signed up for membership. No thanks!

I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do with
all that produce, meat and other perishables? Hmmm... I did call to
arrange for them to pick up my totes as they are no longer needed and the
woman who answered the phone sounded dejected. Clearly I was not her first
such call.

At present, Safeway does still deliver so I can use them if I have to. But
I suspect that might change as well since they have morphed and they seem to
have no difference now than Albertsons. Same brands, same ads, etc. Bah!
I am especially annoyed about some of the special items that no other store
around here seems to sell. Guess we won't be having those now.

On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
> are not being totally forthcoming.
>
(snippage)

Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)

Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
tomorrow to buy the things I need.

If you want that kind of instant service you're absolutely going to have
to pay for it. No big surprise there.

Go back to worrying about that big boat.

Jill

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
> > are not being totally forthcoming.
> >
> (snippage)
>
> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?

I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
explains why Webvan went under.


> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
> tomorrow to buy the things I need.

When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>>(snippage)
>>
>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>
> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
> permission before we buy something online?

That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!

--
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On 26/10/2015 8:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>
>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>
> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
> Does that make me a bad person?
>
Oh, most definitely bad! I'll bet you even drink it too!!! Tsk, Tsk, Tsk!

--

Xeno

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
>not being totally forthcoming.
>
>I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
>a $50 minimum order.

>
>But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
>only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
>rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
>they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200 for
>me to get their grocery delivery.
>I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do with
>all that produce, meat and other perishables?

They will sell them, just as they had in the past. My guess is the
typical delivery customer is a bit affluent and will be willing to pay
the extra $200 a year for convenience. Just proves the old adage of
"no free lunch" Especially if you want the lunch delivered.

On 26/10/2015 9:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:00:13 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/10/2015 8:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>
>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>
>>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>>
>> Oh, most definitely bad! I'll bet you even drink it too!!! Tsk, Tsk, Tsk!
>
> But I don't inhale.
>
Well that's Ok then! ;-)

--

Xeno

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>
> (snippage)
>
> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to the
> store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you. Surely
> someone in your household can get to the freakin' store. (Whether or not
> they choose to is a different matter.)

You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all the
time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the store. Which
is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer get those things
and that doesn't make me happy.
>
> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of milk.
> Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by 6AM! Uh,
> no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store tomorrow to buy
> the things I need.

Jinxy Jill. You are an even bigger idiot than I thought. In the first
place, I have *never* bought milk by the gallon for my family. We use very
little milk. In fact I always keep a few shelf stable boxes. Small ones.
And milk is one thing that I almost always will have to toss as it has
spoiled before we use it all. When I do buy the refrigerated, I buy either
pints or quarts. Hardly ever bigger unless I have some recipe that calls
for me.

As I said... The prices at Amazon were cheaper or the same as the store.
So why not have them deliver? Why waste my time and gas when they would
bring the stuff to me for free? Ah, but they're not doing that now so it is
ticking me off.

And lots of people get grocery delivery for various reasons.
>
> If you want that kind of instant service you're absolutely going to have
> to pay for it. No big surprise there.

Well, I didn't have to before. And I suspect they are going to change their
tune when they lose customers.
>
> Go back to worrying about that big boat.

Not worried. Bothered by.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>>(snippage)
>>
>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>
> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
> permission before we buy something online?

I swear I am so very sick of her. I would like to say that she's nothing
but a bitter old woman but she's a year younger than me and I don't consider
myself to be bitter. I get a lot of things online because it is cheaper for
me to do so. If I place an order from Target, Walmart, Drugstore, Petco and
and a whole slew of other places, I get Swagbucks that I can redeem. I
always redeem for gift cards. Usually Amazon. I got $8 last week and am
very close to getting another $5. I only buy those things that I save money
on or can't get elsewhere. In the case of the chicken broth that I love, I
do pay 2 cents more per carton than if I were to drive to the store. But it
is 6-7 miles to the store, so...

And tomorrow I am going to be frustrated because I only need a few items but
there is no one store around here where I can get them all. I will have to
go to at least two stores and even then I may not be able to get turkey that
I can eat. I do not want to have to drive the 6-7 miles needed to get that.
So I may have to do without until I get out that way.

> wrote in message
...
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> > are not being totally forthcoming.
>> >
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?
>
> I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
> explains why Webvan went under.
>
>
>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>
> When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
> on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
> and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.

I could get that too. I used to. Our milkman is very nice and tall. He
once changed a light bulb for me when I was struggling. Didn't even need
the step stool. Only problem is that they had a minimum order requirement.
And even though they did deliver things other than just dairy products,
those were not things that we use so I was winding up having to throw out
spoiled dairy products. I had to cancel the service. He came weekly. We
have plenty of CSAs around here too.

Apparently online ordering isn't common where Jill is? It is here. Very.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>are
>>not being totally forthcoming.
>>
>>I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>>first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>>remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>>members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to
>>place
>>a $50 minimum order.
>
>>
>>But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
>>only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
>>rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
>>they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200
>>for
>>me to get their grocery delivery.
>>I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do
>>with
>>all that produce, meat and other perishables?
>
> They will sell them, just as they had in the past. My guess is the
> typical delivery customer is a bit affluent and will be willing to pay
> the extra $200 a year for convenience. Just proves the old adage of
> "no free lunch" Especially if you want the lunch delivered.

I don't know about that. I've seen the Amazon Fresh truck on my street many
times and not just coming to my house. None of my neighbors are
particularly wealthy.

But they did offer the free delivery for the better part of the year. Which
is why this is ticking me off.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>> full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>>(snippage)
>>>>
>>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>
>>That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>
> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
> Does that make me a bad person?

Evil!!!

--
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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 26/10/2015 8:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>> You're
>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>> you.
>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>
>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>
>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>
> Oh, most definitely bad! I'll bet you even drink it too!!! Tsk, Tsk,
> Tsk!

He drinks it too??? Ackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!


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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:00:13 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>>On 26/10/2015 8:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>>> You're
>>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>
>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>
>>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>>
>>Oh, most definitely bad! I'll bet you even drink it too!!! Tsk, Tsk,
>>Tsk!
>
> But I don't inhale.

Phew! At least one saving grace.

--
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On 10/26/2015 4:45 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>
> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
> permission before we buy something online?
>
1-888-BITEME

Or kiss Julie's ass, whichever you prefer.

Jill

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
>not being totally forthcoming.
>
>I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
>a $50 minimum order.

**** Amazon and their "you have to spent this much" bullshit!! That is
the precise reason I now eschew Amazon as the evil greedy capitalist
power grabbing assholes they are! **** that! If *I* want to buy a $3
or $4 item AND pay for shipping, that's MY perogative!! NOT AMAZON'S
to gripe "no, I want MORE of your money!" **** that!! Die a swift
economic death you greedy capitalist asshole corporation!! :-(

John Kuthe...

On 27/10/2015 1:05 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
>> not being totally forthcoming.
>>
>> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
>> a $50 minimum order.
>
> **** Amazon and their "you have to spent this much" bullshit!! That is
> the precise reason I now eschew Amazon as the evil greedy capitalist
> power grabbing assholes they are! **** that! If *I* want to buy a $3
> or $4 item AND pay for shipping, that's MY perogative!! NOT AMAZON'S
> to gripe "no, I want MORE of your money!" **** that!! Die a swift
> economic death you greedy capitalist asshole corporation!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...
>
You're upset! I can tell!

--

Xeno

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:05:42 -0500, John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
>>not being totally forthcoming.
>>
>>I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>>first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>>remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>>members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
>>a $50 minimum order.
>
>**** Amazon and their "you have to spent this much" bullshit!! That is
>the precise reason I now eschew Amazon as the evil greedy capitalist
>power grabbing assholes they are! **** that! If *I* want to buy a $3
>or $4 item AND pay for shipping, that's MY perogative!! NOT AMAZON'S
>to gripe "no, I want MORE of your money!" **** that!! Die a swift
>economic death you greedy capitalist asshole corporation!! :-(
>
>John Kuthe...

Wow, that tends to make me like amazon !

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:06:37 +1100, Xeno >
wrote:

>On 27/10/2015 1:05 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they are
>>> not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>>> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>>> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>>> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>>> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to place
>>> a $50 minimum order.
>>
>> **** Amazon and their "you have to spent this much" bullshit!! That is
>> the precise reason I now eschew Amazon as the evil greedy capitalist
>> power grabbing assholes they are! **** that! If *I* want to buy a $3
>> or $4 item AND pay for shipping, that's MY perogative!! NOT AMAZON'S
>> to gripe "no, I want MORE of your money!" **** that!! Die a swift
>> economic death you greedy capitalist asshole corporation!! :-(
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>You're upset! I can tell!

Makes a change from when he picks on Bryan though!

On 10/26/2015 6:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>> full
>>> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>> they
>>> > are not being totally forthcoming.
>>> >
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?
>>
>> I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
>> explains why Webvan went under.
>>
>>
>>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>>
>> When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
>> on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
>> and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.
>
> I could get that too. I used to. Our milkman is very nice and tall.

Well, I'm sure when they hired him that was one of the things they required.

> He once changed a light bulb for me when I was struggling.

I have neighbors who will do those sorts of things if I need them to.
My (recessed) porch light burned out and it's 9 feet above my head. If
I ask and give a neighbor the lightbulb and the ladder and he (or she)
will gladly change it for me. All I have to do is ask.

> Apparently online ordering isn't common where Jill is? It is here. Very.

Of course I order things online. Just not food. When it comes to food
I like to be able to look at it and select it myself. Touch, feel,
smell. When it comes to food that's everything.

How the heck is someone who works for a web site sitting behind a
computer going to know whether or not I'd select [whatever] fresh item?
They can't. So no, I would not order food online.

If you want that sort of convenience of course you're going to pay for
it. I'm surprised you're surprised they expect you to pay for it.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/26/2015 4:45 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>
>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>> permission before we buy something online?
>>
> 1-888-BITEME
>
> Or kiss Julie's ass, whichever you prefer.
>
> Jill

STFU, bully biotch!

John Kuthe wrote:
> **** Amazon and their


**** YOU TO HELL!!!


http://fee.org/freeman/wal-mart-is-g...r-the-economy/

Wal-Mart and Small Communities

The claim that Wal-Mart “disregards the concerns of small communities”
is also contradicted by the evidence. If Wal-Mart’s stores were not in
tune with the concerns of shoppers in small communities, the stores
wouldn’t make a profit and would eventually shut down. If Wal-Mart’s
stores were not in tune with the concerns of job seekers in those
communities, the stores wouldn’t be able to staff their operations. The
concerns that Wal-Mart rightly disregards are those of local businesses
that would prefer not to have to deal with new competition. The absence
of rigorous competition leads to high prices in many small communities.
While this may be good for the profit margins of established businesses,
it is not necessarily a condition to be preferred over the benefits for
the majority of the inhabitants of the community that result from robust
competition.

Wal-Mart runs the largest corporate cash-giving foundation in America.
In 2004 Wal-Mart donated over $170 million. More than 90 percent of
these donations went to charities in the communities served by Wal-Mart
stores.7

From an economic perspective, when all the claims are dispassionately
evaluated it looks like Wal-Mart promotes prosperity. The company is
helping consumers get more for their money. It is providing jobs for
willing employees. It is stimulating its suppliers to achieve greater
economies in manufacturing. It is encouraging trade with less-developed
economies, helping the inhabitants of Third World nations to improve
their standards of living. Far from “disregarding the concerns of small
communities,” Wal-Mart offers an appealing place to shop and work.

Wal-Mart is doing all these good things and making a profit of around $9
billion a year.This is a profit margin of less than 4 percent.That’s
mighty efficient. To call Wal-Mart a “corporate criminal” is slander.
Wal-Mart is a model of how successful capitalism is supposed to work. It
is a company that should be emulated, not reviled.

http://business.time.com/2012/06/04/...oming-to-town/

Homeowners, local chambers of commerce, and town planners alike all have
some assumptions about Walmart. It’s often assumed that when a new
Walmart opens in town, it’ll kill small businesses and may even hurt the
local real estate market. But researchers say the effects of Walmart on
a surrounding town are sometimes surprising: The numbers indicate that
the presence of the big-box retailer may actually be good for home
values and some small businesses—though not so good for waistlines.

In a new paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research,
Devin Pope and Jaren Pope, economists from the University of Chicago and
Brigham Young University, respectively, investigated what the
introduction of a Walmart store did to nearby home values in communities
around the U.S. After analyzing 600,000 home purchases between 2001 and
2006 in the vicinity of 159 new Walmarts, they found that homes located
within half a mile of the Walmart rose in value 2% to 3% more relative
to homes that weren’t close to the mammoth retailer. Homes located
between .5-mile and one mile from Walmart also saw a boost in value,
though it tended to be slightly smaller, with prices increasing 1% to 2%.

But the study also revealed that many other businesses were given a
boost by the presence of Walmart. A CBS News story about the research noted:

Those selling products and, especially, services that Walmart doesn’t
will tend to do well. Again, because shoppers arrive near Walmart ready
to spend, they tend to leave their money with whomever nearby is selling
what they want.
Researchers noted that over time—often, a LONG period of time—the
storefronts shuttered as a result of an inability to compete with
Walmart tend to eventually be occupied by restaurants, boutique
retailers, professional offices, and other services and businesses that
do not try to compete with Walmart.

On 10/26/2015 5:58 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>
>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>
> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
> Does that make me a bad person?
>
If you get a good deal, no problem.

Bruce, what, if anything, do you cook? How about you post a recipe,
something you've actually prepared, rather than sit here kissing
Ophelia? You two are peas in a pod, bouncing off each other in defense
of "bullying".

OB Food: Baked cod tonight. I thought about making it yesterday but
decided to hold off until tonight. And gee, I even went to the store
and bought it. I had a nice chat with the woman who works at the fish
counter about ways to prepare it while she was wrapping up the fish.
Shopping at an actual store. Go figure.

Jill

On 10/26/2015 3:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>
> (snippage)
>
> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>
> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>
> If you want that kind of instant service you're absolutely going to have
> to pay for it. No big surprise there.
>
> Go back to worrying about that big boat.
>
> Jill

I have some disabilities and have a great deal of problems walking. I
buy my groceries at the store and sometimes ask for help loading them
into my car. The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat
food. I have to take care to order one case at a time and let a couple
of days go by in-between orders because I can't handle two cases at a
time. Unfortunately, the type of cat food I use (Wellness) is not
available locally.

MaryL

On 10/26/2015 6:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>> You're "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage
>> to go to the store. You've got three cars and two other people living
>> with you. Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin'
>> store. (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>
> You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all
> the time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the
> store. Which is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer
> get those things and that doesn't make me happy.
>>
>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>
> Jinxy Jill. You are an even bigger idiot than I thought. In the first
> place, I have *never* bought milk by the gallon for my family. We use
> very little milk. In fact I always keep a few shelf stable boxes.

Of course I read it. Julie, I don't care if you buy, use or ever drink
milk. It was merely an example.

You wrote "if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or meat or
something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m. The
meat was very high quality, the produce fresh."

Okay, here's an idea. Plan ahead. When I'm running low on something I
add it to my list and then go to the store. I would not order eggs or
meat or fresh produce online. I like to select my own food. I don't
expect some stranger sitting on the other end of a computer do it for me
then complain when they want to charge for it.

If you expect them to deliver it by 6AM then of course you're going to
have to pay for it.

BTW, Amazon used to be an online bookstore. Amazing how it turned into
a grocery store. Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank.

Jill

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:

> I have some disabilities and have a great deal of problems walking. I
> buy my groceries at the store and sometimes ask for help loading them
> into my car. The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat
> food. I have to take care to order one case at a time and let a couple
> of days go by in-between orders because I can't handle two cases at a
> time. Unfortunately, the type of cat food I use (Wellness) is not
> available locally.

The feed store we go to stocks Wellness products as a matter of course.
The owner is the son of a family who has been in the hay and grain
business locally for 130 years. Both a street and an elementary school
are named for his family.

He still sells alfalfa by the bale, as well as chicken feed, horse
currying supplies, and most recently, beekeeping equipment.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:06:07 -0600, Hot Broth > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>> **** Amazon and their
>
>
>**** YOU TO HELL!!!
>
>
>http://fee.org/freeman/wal-mart-is-g...r-the-economy/
>
>Wal-Mart and Small Communities
>
>The claim that Wal-Mart “disregards the concerns of small communities”
>is also contradicted by the evidence. If Wal-Mart’s stores were not in
>tune with the concerns of shoppers in small communities, the stores
>wouldn’t make a profit and would eventually shut down. If Wal-Mart’s
>stores were not in tune with the concerns of job seekers in those
>communities, the stores wouldn’t be able to staff their operations. The
>concerns that Wal-Mart rightly disregards are those of local businesses
>that would prefer not to have to deal with new competition. The absence
>of rigorous competition leads to high prices in many small communities.
>While this may be good for the profit margins of established businesses,
>it is not necessarily a condition to be preferred over the benefits for
>the majority of the inhabitants of the community that result from robust
>competition.
>
>Wal-Mart runs the largest corporate cash-giving foundation in America.
>In 2004 Wal-Mart donated over $170 million. More than 90 percent of
>these donations went to charities in the communities served by Wal-Mart
>stores.7
>
> From an economic perspective, when all the claims are dispassionately
>evaluated it looks like Wal-Mart promotes prosperity. The company is
>helping consumers get more for their money. It is providing jobs for
>willing employees. It is stimulating its suppliers to achieve greater
>economies in manufacturing. It is encouraging trade with less-developed
>economies, helping the inhabitants of Third World nations to improve
>their standards of living. Far from “disregarding the concerns of small
>communities,” Wal-Mart offers an appealing place to shop and work.
>
>Wal-Mart is doing all these good things and making a profit of around $9
>billion a year.This is a profit margin of less than 4 percent.That’s
>mighty efficient. To call Wal-Mart a “corporate criminal” is slander.
>Wal-Mart is a model of how successful capitalism is supposed to work. It
>is a company that should be emulated, not reviled.
>
>http://business.time.com/2012/06/04/...oming-to-town/
>
>Homeowners, local chambers of commerce, and town planners alike all have
>some assumptions about Walmart. It’s often assumed that when a new
>Walmart opens in town, it’ll kill small businesses and may even hurt the
>local real estate market. But researchers say the effects of Walmart on
>a surrounding town are sometimes surprising: The numbers indicate that
>the presence of the big-box retailer may actually be good for home
>values and some small businesses—though not so good for waistlines.
>
>In a new paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research,
>Devin Pope and Jaren Pope, economists from the University of Chicago and
>Brigham Young University, respectively, investigated what the
>introduction of a Walmart store did to nearby home values in communities
>around the U.S. After analyzing 600,000 home purchases between 2001 and
>2006 in the vicinity of 159 new Walmarts, they found that homes located
>within half a mile of the Walmart rose in value 2% to 3% more relative
>to homes that weren’t close to the mammoth retailer. Homes located
>between .5-mile and one mile from Walmart also saw a boost in value,
>though it tended to be slightly smaller, with prices increasing 1% to 2%.
>
>But the study also revealed that many other businesses were given a
>boost by the presence of Walmart. A CBS News story about the research noted:
>
>Those selling products and, especially, services that Walmart doesn’t
>will tend to do well. Again, because shoppers arrive near Walmart ready
>to spend, they tend to leave their money with whomever nearby is selling
>what they want.
>Researchers noted that over time—often, a LONG period of time—the
>storefronts shuttered as a result of an inability to compete with
>Walmart tend to eventually be occupied by restaurants, boutique
>retailers, professional offices, and other services and businesses that
>do not try to compete with Walmart.
>

**** MalWart too!! **** ALL of our Ownership Class!! Eat the rich!!
The Revolution's happening!! Yes there will be casualties, and
hopefully only those SCOTUS-backed ostensiblle "corporations are
people" like MalWart, AmaSUCKS, etc.!! Die you capitalist PIGS!!

John Kuthe...

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
> are not being totally forthcoming.
>
> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to
> place a $50 minimum order.
>
> I loved it because if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or
> meat or something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m.
> The meat was very high quality, the produce fresh, they sell bread that I
> can eat, they sell all sort of items that we want but I can't find
> anywhere else and best of all the prices overall were as good or better
> than I could do in brick and mortar stores.
>
> But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
> only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
> rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
> they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200
> for me to get their grocery delivery. Now technically, I can still get
> free delivery for the next 30 days but at the end of that, I am
> automatically signed up for membership. No thanks!
>
> I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do
> with all that produce, meat and other perishables? Hmmm... I did call to
> arrange for them to pick up my totes as they are no longer needed and the
> woman who answered the phone sounded dejected. Clearly I was not her
> first such call.
>
> At present, Safeway does still deliver so I can use them if I have to.
> But I suspect that might change as well since they have morphed and they
> seem to have no difference now than Albertsons. Same brands, same ads,
> etc. Bah! I am especially annoyed about some of the special items that no
> other store around here seems to sell. Guess we won't be having those
> now.

Of course, once they have people hooked, they raise the prices...it's the
way of the world.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>
>>>(snippage)
>>>
>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>
>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>> permission before we buy something online?
>
> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!

I do most of my shopping online, not for groceries because I do enjoy going
to the stores and picking exactly what I want, but for people who want to
shop online for groceries, why should anyone else care?

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>> full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>>(snippage)
>>>>
>>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>
>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>
> I do most of my shopping online, not for groceries because I do enjoy
> going to the stores and picking exactly what I want, but for people who
> want to shop online for groceries, why should anyone else care?

Excellent question! Pity more people don't think like you .. but then there
might not be any excuse for bitching ... do you think?


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

John Kuthe wrote:
> **** MalWart too!! **** ALL of our Ownership Class!! Eat the rich!!

K00Koooo!!!!



http://fee.org/freeman/wal-mart-is-g...r-the-economy/

Wal-Mart and Small Communities

The claim that Wal-Mart “disregards the concerns of small communities”
is also contradicted by the evidence. If Wal-Mart’s stores were not in
tune with the concerns of shoppers in small communities, the stores
wouldn’t make a profit and would eventually shut down. If Wal-Mart’s
stores were not in tune with the concerns of job seekers in those
communities, the stores wouldn’t be able to staff their operations. The
concerns that Wal-Mart rightly disregards are those of local businesses
that would prefer not to have to deal with new competition. The absence
of rigorous competition leads to high prices in many small communities.
While this may be good for the profit margins of established businesses,
it is not necessarily a condition to be preferred over the benefits for
the majority of the inhabitants of the community that result from robust
competition.

Wal-Mart runs the largest corporate cash-giving foundation in America.
In 2004 Wal-Mart donated over $170 million. More than 90 percent of
these donations went to charities in the communities served by Wal-Mart
stores.7

From an economic perspective, when all the claims are dispassionately
evaluated it looks like Wal-Mart promotes prosperity. The company is
helping consumers get more for their money. It is providing jobs for
willing employees. It is stimulating its suppliers to achieve greater
economies in manufacturing. It is encouraging trade with less-developed
economies, helping the inhabitants of Third World nations to improve
their standards of living. Far from “disregarding the concerns of small
communities,” Wal-Mart offers an appealing place to shop and work.

Wal-Mart is doing all these good things and making a profit of around $9
billion a year.This is a profit margin of less than 4 percent.That’s
mighty efficient. To call Wal-Mart a “corporate criminal” is slander.
Wal-Mart is a model of how successful capitalism is supposed to work. It
is a company that should be emulated, not reviled.

http://business.time.com/2012/06/04/...oming-to-town/

Homeowners, local chambers of commerce, and town planners alike all have
some assumptions about Walmart. It’s often assumed that when a new
Walmart opens in town, it’ll kill small businesses and may even hurt the
local real estate market. But researchers say the effects of Walmart on
a surrounding town are sometimes surprising: The numbers indicate that
the presence of the big-box retailer may actually be good for home
values and some small businesses—though not so good for waistlines.

In a new paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research,
Devin Pope and Jaren Pope, economists from the University of Chicago and
Brigham Young University, respectively, investigated what the
introduction of a Walmart store did to nearby home values in communities
around the U.S. After analyzing 600,000 home purchases between 2001 and
2006 in the vicinity of 159 new Walmarts, they found that homes located
within half a mile of the Walmart rose in value 2% to 3% more relative
to homes that weren’t close to the mammoth retailer. Homes located
between .5-mile and one mile from Walmart also saw a boost in value,
though it tended to be slightly smaller, with prices increasing 1% to 2%.

But the study also revealed that many other businesses were given a
boost by the presence of Walmart. A CBS News story about the research noted:

Those selling products and, especially, services that Walmart doesn’t
will tend to do well. Again, because shoppers arrive near Walmart ready
to spend, they tend to leave their money with whomever nearby is selling
what they want.
Researchers noted that over time—often, a LONG period of time—the
storefronts shuttered as a result of an inability to compete with
Walmart tend to eventually be occupied by restaurants, boutique
retailers, professional offices, and other services and businesses that
do not try to compete with Walmart.

Sqwertz wrote:
> Julie is addicted to shopping on-line.


You're addicted to bullying women, you ****ing subhuman TURD!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 03:45:03 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to the
>> store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you. Surely
>> someone in your household can get to the freakin' store. (Whether or not
>> they choose to is a different matter.)
>
>You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all the
>time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the store. Which
>is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer get those things
>and that doesn't make me happy.

I understand totally.

I HATE Amazon at times. I've had orders for things that they claimed
were in stock and supplied by Amazon, yet a week after I ordered, they
STILL hadn't shipped. I canceled 3 different orders in the past year
because of that.

They have plenty of things I can't get locally, so I still order
from them, if necessary.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:31:00 -0500, MaryL >
wrote:

> The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat food.

I hadn't even thought about that from Amazon.

Checked, and the Friskies cans I feed GLyN is mostly more expensive
there than it is on sale OR regular price locally. When it's on sale
at Von's, it's 50 cents or even less for a can, and I can choose the
flavors instead of having to take their 'variety' pack.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:21:54 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>
>> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to
>> place a $50 minimum order.
>>
>> I loved it because if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or
>> meat or something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m.
>> The meat was very high quality, the produce fresh, they sell bread that I
>> can eat, they sell all sort of items that we want but I can't find
>> anywhere else and best of all the prices overall were as good or better
>> than I could do in brick and mortar stores.
>>
>> But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
>> only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
>> rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
>> they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200
>> for me to get their grocery delivery. Now technically, I can still get
>> free delivery for the next 30 days but at the end of that, I am
>> automatically signed up for membership. No thanks!
>>
>> I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do
>> with all that produce, meat and other perishables? Hmmm... I did call to
>> arrange for them to pick up my totes as they are no longer needed and the
>> woman who answered the phone sounded dejected. Clearly I was not her
>> first such call.
>>
>> At present, Safeway does still deliver so I can use them if I have to.
>> But I suspect that might change as well since they have morphed and they
>> seem to have no difference now than Albertsons. Same brands, same ads,
>> etc. Bah! I am especially annoyed about some of the special items that no
>> other store around here seems to sell. Guess we won't be having those
>> now.
>
>Of course, once they have people hooked, they raise the prices...it's the
>way of the world.
>
>Cheri

It's the rich capitalist's stupid game!!

Only way to win the game is to NOT PLAY!!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:21:54 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>
>>> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>>> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>>> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>>> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to
>>> place a $50 minimum order.
>>>
>>> I loved it because if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or
>>> meat or something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m.
>>> The meat was very high quality, the produce fresh, they sell bread that I
>>> can eat, they sell all sort of items that we want but I can't find
>>> anywhere else and best of all the prices overall were as good or better
>>> than I could do in brick and mortar stores.
>>>
>>> But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is now
>>> only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is pro
>>> rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means that
>>> they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another $200
>>> for me to get their grocery delivery. Now technically, I can still get
>>> free delivery for the next 30 days but at the end of that, I am
>>> automatically signed up for membership. No thanks!
>>>
>>> I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do
>>> with all that produce, meat and other perishables? Hmmm... I did call to
>>> arrange for them to pick up my totes as they are no longer needed and the
>>> woman who answered the phone sounded dejected. Clearly I was not her
>>> first such call.
>>>
>>> At present, Safeway does still deliver so I can use them if I have to.
>>> But I suspect that might change as well since they have morphed and they
>>> seem to have no difference now than Albertsons. Same brands, same ads,
>>> etc. Bah! I am especially annoyed about some of the special items that no
>>> other store around here seems to sell. Guess we won't be having those
>>> now.
>>
>> Of course, once they have people hooked, they raise the prices...it's the
>> way of the world.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> It's the rich capitalist's stupid game!!
>
> Only way to win the game is to NOT PLAY!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>


You're as mad as a hatter!



http://fee.org/freeman/wal-mart-is-g...r-the-economy/

Wal-Mart and Small Communities

The claim that Wal-Mart “disregards the concerns of small communities”
is also contradicted by the evidence. If Wal-Mart’s stores were not in
tune with the concerns of shoppers in small communities, the stores
wouldn’t make a profit and would eventually shut down. If Wal-Mart’s
stores were not in tune with the concerns of job seekers in those
communities, the stores wouldn’t be able to staff their operations. The
concerns that Wal-Mart rightly disregards are those of local businesses
that would prefer not to have to deal with new competition. The absence
of rigorous competition leads to high prices in many small communities.
While this may be good for the profit margins of established businesses,
it is not necessarily a condition to be preferred over the benefits for
the majority of the inhabitants of the community that result from robust
competition.

Wal-Mart runs the largest corporate cash-giving foundation in America.
In 2004 Wal-Mart donated over $170 million. More than 90 percent of
these donations went to charities in the communities served by Wal-Mart
stores.7

From an economic perspective, when all the claims are dispassionately
evaluated it looks like Wal-Mart promotes prosperity. The company is
helping consumers get more for their money. It is providing jobs for
willing employees. It is stimulating its suppliers to achieve greater
economies in manufacturing. It is encouraging trade with less-developed
economies, helping the inhabitants of Third World nations to improve
their standards of living. Far from “disregarding the concerns of small
communities,” Wal-Mart offers an appealing place to shop and work.

Wal-Mart is doing all these good things and making a profit of around $9
billion a year.This is a profit margin of less than 4 percent.That’s
mighty efficient. To call Wal-Mart a “corporate criminal” is slander.
Wal-Mart is a model of how successful capitalism is supposed to work. It
is a company that should be emulated, not reviled.

http://business.time.com/2012/06/04/...oming-to-town/

Homeowners, local chambers of commerce, and town planners alike all have
some assumptions about Walmart. It’s often assumed that when a new
Walmart opens in town, it’ll kill small businesses and may even hurt the
local real estate market. But researchers say the effects of Walmart on
a surrounding town are sometimes surprising: The numbers indicate that
the presence of the big-box retailer may actually be good for home
values and some small businesses—though not so good for waistlines.

In a new paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research,
Devin Pope and Jaren Pope, economists from the University of Chicago and
Brigham Young University, respectively, investigated what the
introduction of a Walmart store did to nearby home values in communities
around the U.S. After analyzing 600,000 home purchases between 2001 and
2006 in the vicinity of 159 new Walmarts, they found that homes located
within half a mile of the Walmart rose in value 2% to 3% more relative
to homes that weren’t close to the mammoth retailer. Homes located
between .5-mile and one mile from Walmart also saw a boost in value,
though it tended to be slightly smaller, with prices increasing 1% to 2%.

But the study also revealed that many other businesses were given a
boost by the presence of Walmart. A CBS News story about the research noted:

Those selling products and, especially, services that Walmart doesn’t
will tend to do well. Again, because shoppers arrive near Walmart ready
to spend, they tend to leave their money with whomever nearby is selling
what they want.
Researchers noted that over time—often, a LONG period of time—the
storefronts shuttered as a result of an inability to compete with
Walmart tend to eventually be occupied by restaurants, boutique
retailers, professional offices, and other services and businesses that
do not try to compete with Walmart.

In article >,
jmcquown > wrote:

> On 10/26/2015 6:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
> >>> full
> >>> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
> >>> they
> >>> > are not being totally forthcoming.
> >>> >
> >>> (snippage)
> >>>
> >>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?
> >>
> >> I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
> >> explains why Webvan went under.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
> >>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
> >>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
> >>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
> >>
> >> When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
> >> on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
> >> and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.
> >
> > I could get that too. I used to. Our milkman is very nice and tall.
>
> Well, I'm sure when they hired him that was one of the things they required.
>
> > He once changed a light bulb for me when I was struggling.
>
> I have neighbors who will do those sorts of things if I need them to.
> My (recessed) porch light burned out and it's 9 feet above my head. If
> I ask and give a neighbor the lightbulb and the ladder and he (or she)
> will gladly change it for me. All I have to do is ask.
>
> > Apparently online ordering isn't common where Jill is? It is here. Very.
>
> Of course I order things online. Just not food. When it comes to food
> I like to be able to look at it and select it myself. Touch, feel,
> smell. When it comes to food that's everything.
>
> How the heck is someone who works for a web site sitting behind a
> computer going to know whether or not I'd select [whatever] fresh item?
> They can't. So no, I would not order food online.

Not all food has to be fresh. There are a few places I order from on a
fairly regular basis:

http://www.edenfoods.com/store/

https://www.hilinecoffee.com/shop

http://healthyheartmarket.com/

It's next to impossible to find equivalent items locally.

And when I go out to eat, I have little say over the quality of the
steak they choose to cook, or what goes into the salad. I trust they'll
make a good choice, and they wont get repeat business if they don't.

wrote:
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> > are not being totally forthcoming.
>> >
>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?
>
> I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
> explains why Webvan went under.
>
>
>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>
> When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
> on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
> and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.

I saw a Schwann truck a few months ago!

On 10/26/2015 5:50 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

(snip)

> I swear I am so very sick of her.

(snip)

And the irony meter goes, "DING DING DING DING"!!!!

Sky

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:12:40 -0600, Hot Broth > wrote:
....

You are as SOCK PUPPET as can be!! PLONK!! Into my adaptive KILL
FILE!! Prepare to be IGNORED!!

John Kuthe...