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> On 10/26/2015 3:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>

>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>
>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>>
>> If you want that kind of instant service you're absolutely going to have
>> to pay for it. No big surprise there.
>>
>> Go back to worrying about that big boat.
>>
>> Jill

>
> I have some disabilities and have a great deal of problems walking. I buy
> my groceries at the store and sometimes ask for help loading them into my
> car. The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat food. I have
> to take care to order one case at a time and let a couple of days go by
> in-between orders because I can't handle two cases at a time.
> Unfortunately, the type of cat food I use (Wellness) is not available
> locally.


I have to get the bagged cat food online because no stores here sell the
kind that they eat. I sometimes get the pouches online but Winco has
started selling what they eat now. Alas only two or three flavors. I
mainly only get online what I can not get in the store as the vet doesn't
want them eating fish every day. Albertsons does sell the chicken but
unless it's on sale, the price is steep. And when on sale, they only ever
have a few pouches. I can get by the case online.

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On 27/10/2015 11:00 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> Who waits til they're almost out of milk or down to the last egg?


Me, me, me! So close to the suppliers here that it's no biggie if you
run out. So much so, we even run out of milk and eggs and other stuff.
>
> Oh, the troubles of the world, there in BOATwell...
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> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:
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>> I have some disabilities and have a great deal of problems walking. I
>> buy my groceries at the store and sometimes ask for help loading them
>> into my car. The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat
>> food. I have to take care to order one case at a time and let a couple
>> of days go by in-between orders because I can't handle two cases at a
>> time. Unfortunately, the type of cat food I use (Wellness) is not
>> available locally.

>
> The feed store we go to stocks Wellness products as a matter of course.
> The owner is the son of a family who has been in the hay and grain
> business locally for 130 years. Both a street and an elementary school
> are named for his family.
>
> He still sells alfalfa by the bale, as well as chicken feed, horse
> currying supplies, and most recently, beekeeping equipment.


We can get that brand here but I won't use it after that big recall. Our
vet recommends Royal Canin and they seem to like it. The vet actually does
sell some of it. Not sure that it is the kind that they eat but the vet
charges a lot. I get that from Amazon.

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On 27/10/2015 1:35 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:46:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/26/2015 6:45 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>> You're "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage
>>>>> to go to the store. You've got three cars and two other people living
>>>>> with you. Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin'
>>>>> store. (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all
>>>> the time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the
>>>> store. Which is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer
>>>> get those things and that doesn't make me happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>>>>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>>>>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>>>>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>>>>
>>>> Jinxy Jill. You are an even bigger idiot than I thought. In the first
>>>> place, I have *never* bought milk by the gallon for my family. We use
>>>> very little milk. In fact I always keep a few shelf stable boxes.
>>>
>>> Of course I read it. Julie, I don't care if you buy, use or ever drink
>>> milk. It was merely an example.
>>>
>>> You wrote "if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or meat or
>>> something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m. The
>>> meat was very high quality, the produce fresh."
>>>
>>> Okay, here's an idea. Plan ahead. When I'm running low on something I
>>> add it to my list and then go to the store. I would not order eggs or
>>> meat or fresh produce online. I like to select my own food. I don't
>>> expect some stranger sitting on the other end of a computer do it for me
>>> then complain when they want to charge for it.

>>
>> But you live alone. I never know who might eat what and when. And you must
>> have missed the part where I said that Amazon sells things that I can't get
>> elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>> If you expect them to deliver it by 6AM then of course you're going to
>>> have to pay for it.

>>
>> No. Delivery has been free for over a year.
>>>
>>> BTW, Amazon used to be an online bookstore. Amazing how it turned into a
>>> grocery store. Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank.

>>
>> Who is he and why is he laughing?

>
> Jeff Bezos is trhe CEO of Amazon. Rich beyond measure almost! Part of
> the billionaire Ownership Class!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:31:00 -0500, MaryL >
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>> The one thing I buy online (from amazon) is canned cat food.

>
> I hadn't even thought about that from Amazon.
>
> Checked, and the Friskies cans I feed GLyN is mostly more expensive
> there than it is on sale OR regular price locally. When it's on sale
> at Von's, it's 50 cents or even less for a can, and I can choose the
> flavors instead of having to take their 'variety' pack.


They're not always the way to go and I think sometimes they screw up. I buy
the pouches of Fancy Feast broths and I try not to pay more than $1 per
pouch if I can help it but I have severe trouble finding the chicken flavors
for that price, if I find them at all. Then one day Amazon listed them but
the two chicken flavors were around 40 cents per pouch. I can't remember
the exact price but it was weird because all of the other flavors were so
much more as to not be a good price.

I ordered a large amount of each of the two chicken ones but they did not
come. About three months later, I finally called on it. They were listed
as in stock and Prime but there was also a disclaimer that the shipping
could take longer. I can't remember exactly what it said. Guy said they
were still out. Then about three weeks later, one flavor came. The other
came more recently but by then I was needing more. Went back to order more
and someone must have discovered the mistake and upped the price. It's not
a good price now.

The canned chicken that I buy is from Sam's Cub but they are not near me and
I'm not a member. It may well be that I would pay less if I were to go
there but, I'm fine with the price that I pay. I am pretty much the only
one that eats it and as canned chicken goes, it's not a bad price.



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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>
>> I have been ordering from Amazon Fresh for some time now. I think when I
>> first started ordering, there was a small delivery fee, but maybe I am
>> remembering this wrong. For some time, delivery has been free for Prime
>> members, although they do suggest a tip for the driver and you had to
>> place a $50 minimum order.
>>
>> I loved it because if I realized at 9:00 p.m. that I was out of eggs or
>> meat or something, I could quickly place an order and get it by 6:00 a.m.
>> The meat was very high quality, the produce fresh, they sell bread that I
>> can eat, they sell all sort of items that we want but I can't find
>> anywhere else and best of all the prices overall were as good or better
>> than I could do in brick and mortar stores.
>>
>> But when I tried to place this last order, I was told that delivery is
>> now only for Prime Fresh members. Membership is $299.00 per year but is
>> pro rated for Prime members. What does this even mean? Even if it means
>> that they will take the $99 off that I pay for Prime, they want another
>> $200 for me to get their grocery delivery. Now technically, I can still
>> get free delivery for the next 30 days but at the end of that, I am
>> automatically signed up for membership. No thanks!
>>
>> I can't believe that they will have many takers now. What will they do
>> with all that produce, meat and other perishables? Hmmm... I did call
>> to arrange for them to pick up my totes as they are no longer needed and
>> the woman who answered the phone sounded dejected. Clearly I was not her
>> first such call.
>>
>> At present, Safeway does still deliver so I can use them if I have to.
>> But I suspect that might change as well since they have morphed and they
>> seem to have no difference now than Albertsons. Same brands, same ads,
>> etc. Bah! I am especially annoyed about some of the special items that
>> no other store around here seems to sell. Guess we won't be having those
>> now.

>
> Of course, once they have people hooked, they raise the prices...it's the
> way of the world.


But they have lost their customers now so it's not working for them.

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>> It's the rich capitalist's stupid game!!
>>
>> Only way to win the game is to NOT PLAY!!

>
> And yet you are participating in the game by selling candy.


True. I'll bet he doesn't grow all of his own food either.

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>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>> full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>>(snippage)
>>>>
>>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>> permission before we buy something online?

>>
>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!

>
> I do most of my shopping online, not for groceries because I do enjoy
> going to the stores and picking exactly what I want, but for people who
> want to shop online for groceries, why should anyone else care?


I find that I prefer to do it *all* online. Working in stores for 17 plus
years didn't help there, I think. There are just some things that I can't
really get online or not often. Like soda pop. Once in a while I will find
a deal that is doable but mostly it's too expensive to get that way. And I
do have to take my mom shopping at least once a week. It's just that the
stores that she needs to go to are not necessarily where I need to go.

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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
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>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>

>> (snippage)
>>
>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?

>
> Julie is addicted to shopping on-line.
>
> I just spot-checked some of the Amazon Fresh prices and that are 75%
> to 125% more than the local grocery stores. And while the price
> difference may be lower on the planet of Bothell, I would bet anything
> that she is not saving any money or breaking even by shopping Amazon
> fresh. She just tells herself that she's saving money by satisfying
> her addiction.


Nonsense. Let me give you a link. This isn't the one I was going to give
but it is good.

http://fitandawesome.com/product-rev...h-los-angeles/

Here it is:

http://www.cnet.com/news/amazonfresh...hopping-test/#!

As you can see, some things are less. Some are more. But the big
difference is that Amazon offers things that I can't get in *any* store
around here. As in perishable things. I also happen to *really* like their
meat. No, it is not cheap. I can get really good meat at Central Market
too but it's more expensive than Amazon and overall we don't like it as
well. No matter now as Amazon is no longer an option.

When I did shop there it was only for certain specific things. Mostly meat,
produce and bread. I might add something like eggs or milk if I also needed
that and we were running low. And I got canned refried beans when the price
there was much lower than any of the stores around here. Winco is still the
cheapest and Big Lots cheaper still when they have them. But you have to
factor in time and gas. A trip to either of those places will take 3-4
hours out of my day. So I feel that I need to have to do a big stock up or
at least already be in the area before I go to those places.

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John Kuthe wrote:
>>> BTW, Amazon used to be an online bookstore. Amazing how it turned into a
>>> >>grocery store. Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank.
>> >
>> >Who is he and why is he laughing?

> Jeff Bezos is trhe CEO of Amazon. Rich beyond measure almost! Part of
> the billionaire Ownership Class!
>
> John Kuthe...
>



AWESOME!!!!

I love Amazon Prime!!!!!


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>>> Who is he and why is he laughing?

>>
>> Jeff Bezos is trhe CEO of Amazon. Rich beyond measure almost! Part of
>> the billionaire Ownership Class!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>

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> young lad.



You're gross on every human level imaginable.

Go stuff your fat little face, you synthroid shooting dwarf.
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> "sf" > wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:05:32 -0500, John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
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>>> It's the rich capitalist's stupid game!!
>>>
>>> Only way to win the game is to NOT PLAY!!

>>
>> And yet you are participating in the game by selling candy.

>
> True. I'll bet he doesn't grow all of his own food either.


"all"?

I suppose he eats the dandelions...
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>> I did make a post about food.

> Uh, she wasn't talking to YOU.
>
>

**** OFF AND DIE YOU WOMAN STALKING VIRUS!!!!
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> That's the way it's done.



The way you stalk women and post their private information here?

Like that?


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>> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>> > full
>>> > ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>> > they
>>> > are not being totally forthcoming.
>>> >
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?

>>
>> I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your question
>> explains why Webvan went under.
>>
>>
>>> Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon of
>>> milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can deliver it by
>>> 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be going to the store
>>> tomorrow to buy the things I need.

>>
>> When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would deposit them
>> on our porch before we woke up. This was considered normal back then,
>> and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from Oberweis Dairy.

>
> I saw a Schwann truck a few months ago!


Was it at my house? I got them when they did the big Facebook promotion. I
just cooked up a clearance grill pack a couple of days ago. Two hamburger
patties, two pork chops and two steaks. I don't normally like frozen meat
but it was around $7 for the six pieces. No complaints. I didn't eat any
of that meat but I suspect that the Amazon meat is better.

I am very selective what I buy from them too. I see that chef Jet Tila has
a line of food with them but for as much as I do like him, we just don't eat
much in the way of frozen, prepared stuff like that. So far I have gotten
mini pizzas, garlic cheese bread, French fries, chicken strips and bites,
bagel dogs (husband loves them but I haven't seen them anywhere for years),
ice cream, cheese (one of the few non-frozen items they sell) and perhaps
another thing or two that I've forgotten. I don't know how long I will
stick with them. I can't even eat most of what they sell. The delivery guy
is very nice though. I will see how well liked the food is. A lot of it
hasn't been tried yet. And not all of the prices are that good. I have
mainly been buying the clearance items and specials.

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>
> -sw



Like the ones you accused poor Omelet of wanting to shoot you with, virus?
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> On 2015-10-26 09:58:09 +0000, Bruce said:
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>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>
>>>>> (snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>> You're
>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>> you.
>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>
>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!

>>
>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>> Does that make me a bad person?

>
> I wouldn't turn to the internet, or usenet, for opinions on your
> personhood.
>
> Who would buy groceries online? Certainly "disabled" people, but also
> disabled (sans quotes) people too. How about people going through
> chemotherapy, or do cancer victims get the eye-rolling routine too? There
> there's people who for not-evil reasons (health, age), can't drive a car
> or semi-evil reasons (house-detention, DUI). How about non-disabled people
> with children who have significant disabilities, or parents with
> Alzheimbers; they too can't leave family unattended.
>
> These are just a few off the top of my head who would find online
> purchasing a life-changing convenience. But believe me there are *scads*
> more if Amazon is charging ~$200 a year for the service. They don't just
> throw things at the wall and see what sticks. They have smart folks
> making profit-driven decisions.


Funny thing is, not long before I was born, grocery delivery used to be the
norm. Many families had no car or if they did have one, it was only the
one. The woman might call the store or send one of her children there with
a list. Or she might even go in with the list. And then someone delivered
the groceries to her house.

I placed my first online order when Albertsons offered delivery. That was
short lived. We were snowed in and I couldn't get out. How the elderly
delivery man got here, I shall never know. I felt quite sorry for him and
tried to give him a big tip but he was not allowed to accept it. The next
time I looked to place an order, they had a disclaimer saying they would not
deliver in inclement weather.

The next time after that was when I was in the hospital. I actually placed
the order from my Ipad while in the hospital. And it wasn't just for food.
It was for specific medical items that I needed. The items had arrived by
the time I got out of the hospital. So it all worked out very well.

What I liked about Amazon was that I could choose unattended delivery. That
meant they would just leave the food and go. I didn't have to be here. But
I almost always was. And since I am up all night, the pre-dawn delivery
worked quite well for me. Yes, sometimes I might have to stay up an extra
hour or so, but I could get the food, put it away and go to bed. I would
even pay a delivery fee like Safeway charges. I just would not order nearly
as often and place larger orders to make it worth it.

Safeway charges $9.95 and has a minimum order of $150. That minimum is
pretty high for me because frankly, they just don't sell enough stuff that
we eat/use/want. So it was always a real struggle if I did have to place an
order from them. I would have to add on some toilet paper or paper towels
or soap or something that I might one day use but didn't really need at the
moment just to make the minimum. And the other problem was the someone who
was 18 or over had to sign for the delivery. Although I doubt that anyone
would ask Angela for ID if she did answer the door. She looks old enough to
pass for 18 I think. But there was that one time that I couldn't get her to
check the door. I thought I heard the bell ring but she did not. So she
didn't answer. And we didn't get our groceries. That was a big fail.

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> On 10/26/2015 4:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
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>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>> You're "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage
>> to go to the store. You've got three cars and two other people
>> living with you. Surely someone in your household can get to the
>> freakin' store. (Whether or not they choose to is a different
>> matter.)

>
> I actually do order from my regular grocery store and have it delivered.
> Not in a couple of months now, but they were a life saver when I needed
> it.
>
> I haven't tried Amazon fresh but I'm sure if I had and was happy with
> it, that I'd also be ****ed off about the change.


I just wish I could get that good produce and meat around here. Maybe there
is some store or stores in Seattle that sell it but no place around here.



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>
>Was it at my house? I got them when they did the big Facebook promotion. I
>just cooked up a clearance grill pack a couple of days ago. Two hamburger
>patties, two pork chops and two steaks. I don't normally like frozen meat
>but it was around $7 for the six pieces. No complaints. I didn't eat any
>of that meat but I suspect that the Amazon meat is better.


I started ordering from Schwann's about 7 years ago.

Then I was diagnosed with high blood pressure, and told
I should watch my salt intake, and their meat dishes are
NOT low sodium in any way. AND they're expensive, but
excellent quality.

I still order some things from them when I can,
like their cheese stuffed breadsticks. Heavenly!






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>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>(snippage)
>>>>>
>>>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>
>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!

>>
>> I do most of my shopping online, not for groceries because I do enjoy
>> going to the stores and picking exactly what I want, but for people who
>> want to shop online for groceries, why should anyone else care?

>
> Excellent question! Pity more people don't think like you .. but then
> there might not be any excuse for bitching ... do you think?


Everything is a judgment here, I can just see a few of these posters taking
time to scream out obscenities every few minutes when cooking their
*perfect* meals just to stay in practice for this newsgoup. LOL

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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 03:45:03 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>> the
>>> store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>> Surely
>>> someone in your household can get to the freakin' store. (Whether or not
>>> they choose to is a different matter.)

>>
>>You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all the
>>time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the store.
>>Which
>>is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer get those things
>>and that doesn't make me happy.

>
> I understand totally.
>
> I HATE Amazon at times. I've had orders for things that they claimed
> were in stock and supplied by Amazon, yet a week after I ordered, they
> STILL hadn't shipped. I canceled 3 different orders in the past year
> because of that.
>
> They have plenty of things I can't get locally, so I still order
> from them, if necessary.


It has seemed that the more they expand the quality is going downhill in
some areas.

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> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 06:19:41 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
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>>On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:20:47 -0500, John Kuthe >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You are as SOCK PUPPET as can be!! PLONK!! Into my adaptive KILL
>>>FILE!! Prepare to be IGNORED!!

>>
>>You'll never stop talking to the troll, admit it.

>
> I may talk AROUND it. Just not to it.
>
> Huge difference! Ask any troll/Sock Puppet!
>
> John Kuthe...


Which is just as disrupting because it keeps the threads going, but you
already know that...attention seeking at it's worst.

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>> It's the rich capitalist's stupid game!!
>>
>> Only way to win the game is to NOT PLAY!!

>
> And yet you are participating in the game by selling candy.
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LOL, ingredients bought from capitalists no doubt.

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>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:30:22 AM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
>> > > On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand

>> the full >>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order.
>> Even then, they >>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>> > > >
>> > > (snippage)
>> > >
>> > > Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?
>> >
>> > I see Google Express vehicles buzzing all over now. But your
>> > question explains why Webvan went under.
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hmmmm, I'm down to 2 eggs and I could stand to buy another gallon
>> > > of milk. Guess I'd better look online and see if they can
>> > > deliver it by 6AM! Uh, no. Like most normal people, I'll be
>> > > going to the store tomorrow to buy the things I need.
>> >
>> > When I was a kid, if we needed milk and eggs, a driver would
>> > deposit them on our porch before we woke up. This was considered
>> > normal back then, and still is normal in suburban Chicago, from
>> > Oberweis Dairy.

>>
>> I could get that too. I used to. Our milkman is very nice and tall.
>> He once changed a light bulb for me when I was struggling. Didn't
>> even need the step stool. Only problem is that they had a minimum
>> order requirement. And even though they did deliver things other than
>> just dairy products, those were not things that we use so I was
>> winding up having to throw out spoiled dairy products. I had to
>> cancel the service. He came weekly. We have plenty of CSAs around
>> here too.
>>
>> Apparently online ordering isn't common where Jill is? It is here.
>> Very.

>
> It's getting more common. Some folks may not understand it because
> they aren;t familar with it.


That could be. I normally see Amazon Fresh and Safeway trucks all over the
place. But I suspect that many will no longer use Amazon Fresh.

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> On 10/26/2015 12:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I would not order eggs or
>> meat or fresh produce online. I like to select my own food. I don't
>> expect some stranger sitting on the other end of a computer do it for me
>> then complain when they want to charge for it.

>
> Not a new concept at all/ When I was in high school (62, 63) I worked for
> a grocery store doing deliveries. It was a nice chunk of their business
> and I did well with tip on top of my wage. People were willing to pay
> premium prices for service.


Yes. That's what people used to do because they didn't have vehicles like
we do today. Even the department stores offered delivery so you didn't have
to carry shopping bags around all day. Remember the episode on Leave It To
Beaver where June bought the slip for herself and the handkerchiefs for
Beaver's teacher. You can imagine what happened there. Yep. Teacher got
the slip delivered to her in the middle of class.

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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:23:34 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/26/2015 3:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:19:42 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/26/2015 5:58 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>>>>>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you get a good deal, no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce, what, if anything, do you cook? How about you post a recipe,
>>>>> something you've actually prepared, rather than sit here kissing
>>>>> Ophelia? You two are peas in a pod, bouncing off each other in
>>>>> defense
>>>>> of "bullying".
>>>>
>>>> I commented on a post of yours that had nothing to do with cooking,
>>>> but was one big, unnecessary bitchfest. If you had stuck to cooking
>>>> yourself, I wouldn't have commented off-topic either.
>>>>
>>> You still didn't answer the question. How about a post about what YOU
>>> have cooked? Hmmmm. Didn't think so.

>>
>> Are you in charge of this group? Didn't think so!
>>
>> I did make a post about food.

>
> Uh, she wasn't talking to YOU.
>
>
>> And I have since looked it up. Apparently
>> those in the Bay area and LA/San Diego have no problem paying the $299
>> yearly fee. People in Seattle are not liking it though and bailing out
>> in
>> droves.

>
> How do you know all these statistics about how people are using Amazon
> in LA, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose and Seattle? Since you seem
> to have access to their database, I'd like to see Powerpoint
> presentation on all these statistics compared to Planet Bothell.
>
> IOW, stop pretending like you know Amazon's demographics trying to
> convince us that everybody in Seattle thinks JUST LIKE YOU. Because
> they don't. You're only an expert on the planet of Bothell.


I don't have their data base. I looked online. Apparently this notice went
out on the 15th but they didn't even bother to email us. It was just a note
on our account and I hadn't logged into that since the 13th. I did think it
odd though because prior they had said that delivery would no longer be free
and that it was only free through Sept. But I wanted to place another order
so went to my account to see what the delivery fee might be. And there was
none. So they were not clear to us from the start.

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> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:04:18 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>> I saw a Schwann truck a few months ago!

>>
>>Was it at my house? I got them when they did the big Facebook promotion.
>>I
>>just cooked up a clearance grill pack a couple of days ago. Two hamburger
>>patties, two pork chops and two steaks. I don't normally like frozen meat
>>but it was around $7 for the six pieces. No complaints. I didn't eat any
>>of that meat but I suspect that the Amazon meat is better.

>
> I started ordering from Schwann's about 7 years ago.
>
> Then I was diagnosed with high blood pressure, and told
> I should watch my salt intake, and their meat dishes are
> NOT low sodium in any way. AND they're expensive, but
> excellent quality.
>
> I still order some things from them when I can,
> like their cheese stuffed breadsticks. Heavenly!


Oh! I did get the cheese stuffed pretzels. I think of all the things that
they sell, the only things I could possibly eat are the plain fruits and
vegetables and I likely won't eat those. I did try something that they made
many years ago. It was like biscuits and gravy but instead of a biscuit it
was shaped like a flat bowl and filled with the gravy. It was quite good.

I only placed the initial order because it came onto Facebook right at the
time when I had to get rid of all the frozen and refrigerated food due to
the power outage. But the delivery day was not clear. I thought I was
getting the food the following day but it was almost two days later.

I am on a BP med but am not currently having any problems. I did have sky
high BP in the ER when I had the weird allergic reaction, the source of
which is still unknown but it made my nose swell up inside and out and gave
me head to toe hives, including my eyes. At times I have had very low BP
and I had a Dr. tell me to increase my salt intake. To me this is laughable
because I am one who is not affected by sodium.

I mainly ordered their stuff for my husband and am hoping that perhaps my
daughter and her friends will eat some. They mostly seem to like chicken
nuggets/strips and fries. And I would rather have some in the freezer than
to have them decide that they want to go buy some. My daughter knows how to
find good buys but her friends do not seem to so they will buy some small
portion of some expensive thing. I just hear mention of food then I heat
something up and it usually stops them from going out to get expensive fare.
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"Cheri" > wrote in message
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>
> "The New Other Guy" > wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 03:45:03 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>> full
>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>
>>>> (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot. You're
>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>> the
>>>> store. You've got three cars and two other people living with you.
>>>> Surely
>>>> someone in your household can get to the freakin' store. (Whether or
>>>> not
>>>> they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>
>>>You didn't read what I wrote at all. Did you? I go to the store all the
>>>time. But... Amazon sells things that I can not find in the store.
>>>Which
>>>is one reason that I liked to use them. I can no longer get those things
>>>and that doesn't make me happy.

>>
>> I understand totally.
>>
>> I HATE Amazon at times. I've had orders for things that they claimed
>> were in stock and supplied by Amazon, yet a week after I ordered, they
>> STILL hadn't shipped. I canceled 3 different orders in the past year
>> because of that.
>>
>> They have plenty of things I can't get locally, so I still order
>> from them, if necessary.

>
> It has seemed that the more they expand the quality is going downhill in
> some areas.


I did read that too. I was having some issues with them and I wound up
getting a lot of free food. I don't know what happened there. For
instance, I ordered 2 packages of something but got 7 packages. Then I got
these little things of fruit and vegetables with cheese cubes. I did order
one once last year but the eater said that the cheese was weird and not to
order it again. Oddly enough, the same eater ate all of the free ones that
I got. No complaints this time. And another time I ordered one package of
sandwich rolls but was sent three.

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> wrote:
>
>>On 10/26/2015 5:58 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>>> You're
>>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>
>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>
>>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>>

>>If you get a good deal, no problem.
>>
>>Bruce, what, if anything, do you cook? How about you post a recipe,
>>something you've actually prepared, rather than sit here kissing
>>Ophelia? You two are peas in a pod, bouncing off each other in defense
>>of "bullying".

>
> I commented on a post of yours that had nothing to do with cooking,
> but was one big, unnecessary bitchfest. If you had stuck to cooking
> yourself, I wouldn't have commented off-topic either.
>
>>OB Food: Baked cod tonight. I thought about making it yesterday but
>>decided to hold off until tonight. And gee, I even went to the store
>>and bought it. I had a nice chat with the woman who works at the fish
>>counter about ways to prepare it while she was wrapping up the fish.
>>Shopping at an actual store. Go figure.

>
> This is a wonderful story. The life and times of Saint Jill.


Hey did she say 'in defence of bullying'???? She thinks we defend
bullying???

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> On 27/10/2015 7:45 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:14:24 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-10-26 09:58:09 +0000, Bruce said:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:17:54 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>> "disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>>> (Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>>
>>>> That would be good. I sometimes buy wine online and I'm not disabled.
>>>> Does that make me a bad person?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't turn to the internet, or usenet, for opinions on your
>>> personhood.
>>>
>>> Who would buy groceries online? Certainly "disabled" people, but also
>>> disabled (sans quotes) people too. How about people going through
>>> chemotherapy, or do cancer victims get the eye-rolling routine too?
>>> There there's people who for not-evil reasons (health, age), can't
>>> drive a car or semi-evil reasons (house-detention, DUI). How about
>>> non-disabled people with children who have significant disabilities, or
>>> parents with Alzheimbers; they too can't leave family unattended.
>>>
>>> These are just a few off the top of my head who would find online
>>> purchasing a life-changing convenience. But believe me there are
>>> *scads* more if Amazon is charging ~$200 a year for the service. They
>>> don't just throw things at the wall and see what sticks. They have
>>> smart folks making profit-driven decisions.

>>
>> All good reasons. In my case: the online wine shop sometimes has good
>> offers and it's a half an hour drive to the shops. We have to plan
>> ahead though, because delivery can take a week.
>>

> No need to buy groceries, wine, etc. online here. We have a good range of
> shops close handy. All we buy online are the more obscure things. Just
> ordered a couple of books online however. Cheaper than retail, just
> released on the day and (bonus) signed by the author. Wouldn't get that by
> purchasing locally. The online discount even covers the postage and I'm
> still ahead. ;-)
> Whether it's worthwhile buying online really depends on a persons
> individual circumstances. When I lived in Melbourne, I rarely bought
> online - just SH stuff on EBay. There simply was no need as I could get
> pretty much everything within a 5 k. Here in regional Aus, it's not quite
> so convenient for stuff like computer parts, electronic gadgets and the
> like. I still buy my computer parts from a store in Melbourne that I could
> walk to from my previous home as they also have an online sales
> department. It's all good! ;-)


We are lucky in that way too. D often buys stuff online, usually things he
can't buy anywhere else but ... we all do what is best for ourselves and it
is nobody else's business.


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>> Bruce, what, if anything, do you cook? How about you post a recipe,
>> something you've actually prepared, rather than sit here kissing
>> Ophelia? You two are peas in a pod, bouncing off each other in defense
>> of "bullying".
>>
>> OB Food: Baked cod tonight. I thought about making it yesterday but
>> decided to hold off until tonight. And gee, I even went to the store
>> and bought it. I had a nice chat with the woman who works at the fish
>> counter about ways to prepare it while she was wrapping up the fish.
>> Shopping at an actual store. Go figure.

>
> Now you're attacking Bruce?
>

God bless. I'm not attacking Bruce. It's a discussion. I have no idea
what you think RFC is but AFAIK Bruce has never posted a recipe or
mentioned anything he has cooked that I am aware of. He's too busy
licking your boots and bitching about what I post. I sure hope you and
your royal highness are enjoying it.

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> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 04:30:16 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the full
>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then, they
>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>
>>> (snippage)
>>>
>>> Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online?

>>
>> Julie is addicted to shopping on-line.
>>
>> I just spot-checked some of the Amazon Fresh prices and that are 75%
>> to 125% more than the local grocery stores. And while the price
>> difference may be lower on the planet of Bothell, I would bet anything
>> that she is not saving any money or breaking even by shopping Amazon
>> fresh. She just tells herself that she's saving money by satisfying
>> her addiction.

>
> Nonsense. Let me give you a link. This isn't the one I was going to give
> but it is good.
>
> http://fitandawesome.com/product-rev...h-los-angeles/
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.cnet.com/news/amazonfresh...hopping-test/#!
>
> As you can see, some things are less. Some are more. But the big
> difference is that Amazon offers things that I can't get in *any* store
> around here. As in perishable things. I also happen to *really* like
> their meat. No, it is not cheap. I can get really good meat at Central
> Market too but it's more expensive than Amazon and overall we don't like
> it as well. No matter now as Amazon is no longer an option.
>
> When I did shop there it was only for certain specific things. Mostly
> meat, produce and bread. I might add something like eggs or milk if I
> also needed that and we were running low. And I got canned refried beans
> when the price there was much lower than any of the stores around here.
> Winco is still the cheapest and Big Lots cheaper still when they have
> them. But you have to factor in time and gas. A trip to either of those
> places will take 3-4 hours out of my day. So I feel that I need to have
> to do a big stock up or at least already be in the area before I go to
> those places.


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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
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>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
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>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 10/26/2015 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> Although I had read something about this, I did not understand the
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> ramifications of this until I tried to place an order. Even then,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are not being totally forthcoming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>(snippage)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fer cryin' out loud. Who buys groceries online? Oh, I forgot.
>>>>>>You're
>>>>>>"disabled". (sigh) Plenty of people with disabilities manage to go to
>>>>>>the store. You've got three cars and two other people living with
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>> Surely someone in your household can get to the freakin' store.
>>>>>>(Whether or not they choose to is a different matter.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a phone number or an email address where we can ask your
>>>>> permission before we buy something online?
>>>>
>>>> That would be useful. Don't want to get into trouble for not getting
>>>> permission now do we? Perhaps we should all have the number!
>>>
>>> I do most of my shopping online, not for groceries because I do enjoy
>>> going to the stores and picking exactly what I want, but for people who
>>> want to shop online for groceries, why should anyone else care?

>>
>> Excellent question! Pity more people don't think like you .. but then
>> there might not be any excuse for bitching ... do you think?

>
> Everything is a judgment here, I can just see a few of these posters
> taking time to scream out obscenities every few minutes when cooking their
> *perfect* meals just to stay in practice for this newsgoup. LOL


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> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:29:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:19:42 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you get a good deal, no problem.
>>>>
>>>>Bruce, what, if anything, do you cook? How about you post a recipe,
>>>>something you've actually prepared, rather than sit here kissing
>>>>Ophelia? You two are peas in a pod, bouncing off each other in defense
>>>>of "bullying".
>>>
>>> I commented on a post of yours that had nothing to do with cooking,
>>> but was one big, unnecessary bitchfest. If you had stuck to cooking
>>> yourself, I wouldn't have commented off-topic either.
>>>
>>>>OB Food: Baked cod tonight. I thought about making it yesterday but
>>>>decided to hold off until tonight. And gee, I even went to the store
>>>>and bought it. I had a nice chat with the woman who works at the fish
>>>>counter about ways to prepare it while she was wrapping up the fish.
>>>>Shopping at an actual store. Go figure.
>>>
>>> This is a wonderful story. The life and times of Saint Jill.

>>
>>Hey did she say 'in defence of bullying'???? She thinks we defend
>>bullying???
>>
>>LOL

>
> She must have meant the opposite?


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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
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>> D often buys stuff online, usually things he
>> can't buy anywhere else but ... we all do what is best for ourselves and
>> it
>> is nobody else's business.
>>

>
> Ophy - defender of bullying. :-D


You'm bonkers luvvie <g>

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> D often buys stuff online, usually things he
> can't buy anywhere else but ... we all do what is best for ourselves and it
> is nobody else's business.
>


Ophy - defender of bullying. :-D
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jmcquown wrote:
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> God bless. I'm not attacking Bruce. It's a discussion. I have no idea
> what you think RFC is but AFAIK Bruce has never posted a recipe or
> mentioned anything he has cooked that I am aware of. He's too busy
> licking your boots and bitching about what I post. I sure hope you and
> your royal highness are enjoying it.


lol MEOW!
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