On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:01:34 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:15:32 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 00:43:01 -0400, Cheryl >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I always add about a teaspoon of baking soda when I make my spaghetti
>>>sauce. Does anyone else do that? It cuts a little of the acid.
>>
>>I haven't tried that myself. I generally find that if cooked slowly
>>for a long time any acid dissipates.
>
>That's because the longer tomato sauce cooks the more the sugar in
>tomatoes caramelize so it tastes sweeter. I don't care for long
>cooked caramelized tomato sauce, doesn't even look right as it begins
>to look more brown than red.

Well, yet another thing we are opposed on.

I'm the opposite to you, because when I go all out on my bolognaise
type sauces, I'll let it gently simmer on the wood stove or fire for
several hours or more - the surface gets nicely caramelised after an
hour or so - I then stir that in and repeat the process, adding water
occasionally to replace what has been lost. The end result is
fantastic and everyone who has tried it loves it.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:14:40 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/9/2015 6:35 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I was wishing I had some local aesthetic on hand <G>. I reckon that
>> would have been the only thing to properly dull the pain. I got by on
>> bourbon, beer, oxycontin and a few other painkillers (yes, I mixed
>> alcohol with oxycontin, I'm a naughty boy).
>
>Tooth pain is one of the worst IMO. I take pain killers and drink
>alcohol. Everyone tells me to stop doing that but it doubles the pain
>relief. One day it might do me in but the doctor is cutting back on what
>he gives me and changed it from oxycodone back to hydrocodone (5mg). So
>I think I'm safe.

May I ask what is the source of your pain?

I know what this sounds like - but like me you probably 'know what
you're doing' when it comes to dosage/mixing drugs I've always made
a point of knowing what I am taking, it's risks, average doses, etc.
Mixing with alcohol certainly amplifies an analgesic's effects.

>I hope you're feeling better, and I guess you only have a few hours to
>have to get through until you can get to the dentist?

Thanks Cheryl, this afternoon I'm off to the doctors to look into this
further, at the very least I need some more antibiotics to get rid of
the infection which still persists. Its made eating difficult and
painful... I've been using a teaspoon to eat with since that's about
all I can fit in my mouth without too much pain.

I'll see about some pain killers too, as I'm out of oxycodone and have
a few tramadols and Norspan patches left. I normally don't use any
pharmaceutical pain killers, but like to have a supply stashed in the
fridge for emergencies (I have lower back and elsewhere pain). I get
them here and there from friends occasionally, no need for a
prescription as I don't need that many normally. Like to keep
antibiotics handy too. Medical help is a long way from here, which is
the main reason I do this.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:28:31 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/10/2015 7:12 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I'll never forget when I was at college for my I.T courses years ago,
>> one time there was a particularly virulent flu going around the area.
>> The building was sealed, no natural air. Everyone was sick... I
>> resigned myself to becoming sick. Nope... not even then did I catch
>> the flu. I*have* caught the flu, but the last time that I can recall
>> was well over 30 years ago.
>
>Funny you mention that because the only time I get really bad flu or
>cold is when I've taken classes. I figured it was because I was exposed
>to people I don't see on a regular basis or something like that.

Yes, probably? It's really the ideal sort of environment for spreading
airborne viruses.

Something in what you wrote made me realise I was wrong about not
having the flu for 30 years. I had a mild dose in 1996... after
getting my one and only flu shot. For some reason that year, all the
dire warnings on the radio made me decide to get a flu shot. Normally
I ignore such things. I won't be doing that ever again unless there's
a particularly lethal strain getting about.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:30:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Jeßus wrote:
>> >I understand completely I still have most of my teeth, but the last
>> >few toothaches resulted in all but one being pulled.
>>
>> Are you saying you now have one tooth? Is it one in the middle?
>
>LOL! I was wondering about that statement too until I figured out
>what he was meaning to say. heheh

Yep, I messed that sentence up

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:43:29 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/10/2015 5:21 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 09:49:20 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/10/2015 8:22 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> He lives a pretty much isolated life, so his immune system
>>>>>> is easy pickins for any stray germ or virus he comes into contact with
>>>>>> during his occasional forays into society.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I live a pretty isolated life, too, but I do actually venture out and
>>>>> about. I don't catch every little bug that comes along. People
>>>>> sneeze,
>>>>> people cough. I don't get sick as a result of being exposed to them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Barbara's hypothesis is nonsense. I live in an isolated community, and
>>>> yet I rarely ever get colds, flu and gastro. I go into Launceston and
>>>> people are sneezing and coughing... I never catch a damned thing.
>>>>
>>> Guess we're just lucky. Actually, Sheldon has mentioned he has COPD
>>> for which he uses a nebulizer. I'm not a doctor, obviously, but that
>>> might make him more prone to bacterial type respiratory infections which
>>> would require antibiotics.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I do too, and it does.
>
> I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you think the use
>causes infection? I use it when I have infections because it gives some
>relief.
>
>The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had considered.

Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:53:07 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/10/2015 10:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Add a grated carrot at the start... extra diced onion adds sweetness
>> too. But I don't mind acerbic pasta sauce, too sweet is like jared.
>
>It doesn't make it sweet by removing some of the acid, but carrots
>would. I need to remove some acidity to be able to enjoy it for my
>stomach's sake.

You're not removing the acid, adding sugar you're covering it up.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:55:06 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
>like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
>sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
>the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
>nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.

Were the drugs developed by faggots? Have you checked to see if they
were developed by faggots? What if you discover said drugs are in fact
developed by faggots? Will you still use them?

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:43:29 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 10/10/2015 5:21 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 09:49:20 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/10/2015 8:22 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> He lives a pretty much isolated life, so his immune system
>>>>>>> is easy pickins for any stray germ or virus he comes into contact
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> during his occasional forays into society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I live a pretty isolated life, too, but I do actually venture out and
>>>>>> about. I don't catch every little bug that comes along. People
>>>>>> sneeze,
>>>>>> people cough. I don't get sick as a result of being exposed to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Barbara's hypothesis is nonsense. I live in an isolated community, and
>>>>> yet I rarely ever get colds, flu and gastro. I go into Launceston and
>>>>> people are sneezing and coughing... I never catch a damned thing.
>>>>>
>>>> Guess we're just lucky. Actually, Sheldon has mentioned he has COPD
>>>> for which he uses a nebulizer. I'm not a doctor, obviously, but that
>>>> might make him more prone to bacterial type respiratory infections
>>>> which
>>>> would require antibiotics.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I do too, and it does.
>>
>> I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you think the
>> use
>>causes infection? I use it when I have infections because it gives some
>>relief.
>>
>>The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had considered.
>
> Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
> like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
> sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
> the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
> nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.

I only use mine when I am desperate. I hate it. But I do agree about the
drugs.


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Ophelia wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>Cheri wrote"
>>>
>>> I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you think the
>>> use
>>>causes infection? I use it when I have infections because it gives some
>>>relief.
>>>The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had considered.
>>

It's kind of strange that nebulizers can cause respiratory infections
but then are used to relieve the symptoms of those infections, but
that's what occurs.

>> Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
>> like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
>> sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
>> the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
>> nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.
>
>I only use mine when I am desperate. I hate it. But I do agree about the
>drugs.

I haven't used a nebulizer for almost two years now. I put all my neb
stuff into storage, I have 4 different nebulizer compressors and
several types of nebulizers, and I gave gallons of meds to the clinic
in town. The new medications work much better and I'm no longer tied
to that plastic tube. There are some side effects, all meds have side
effects, but so long as I use the medications correctly they work very
well. The old style inhalers are like antiques in comparison.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>Cheri wrote"
>>>>
>>>> I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you think the
>>>> use
>>>>causes infection? I use it when I have infections because it gives
>>>>some
>>>>relief.
>>>>The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had considered.
>>>
>
> It's kind of strange that nebulizers can cause respiratory infections
> but then are used to relieve the symptoms of those infections, but
> that's what occurs.
>
>>> Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
>>> like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
>>> sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
>>> the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
>>> nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.
>>
>>I only use mine when I am desperate. I hate it. But I do agree about the
>>drugs.
>
> I haven't used a nebulizer for almost two years now. I put all my neb
> stuff into storage, I have 4 different nebulizer compressors and
> several types of nebulizers, and I gave gallons of meds to the clinic
> in town. The new medications work much better and I'm no longer tied
> to that plastic tube. There are some side effects, all meds have side
> effects, but so long as I use the medications correctly they work very
> well. The old style inhalers are like antiques in comparison.

I haven't used mine for some time, but I daren't put it into storage ...


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On 10/6/2015 2:48 PM, Jeßus wrote:

> It all sounds fantastic to me! I have not heard of cider syrup before,
> is that some sort of syrup based on apple juice?
>

It's also called boiled cider: apple cider boiled down till it is of a
syrup consistency. Intensely apple-flavored, and a good thing to not
only pour over pancakes, but to punch up the apple flavor in apple
dishes. Easy to make: take 1 gallon fresh cider, bring to boil, reduce
to medium heat and cook uncovered several hours, until reduced to
about 2 cups and syrup coats the back of a spoon. Store in fridge, or
heat process in sterilized jars for pantry storage.

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> > > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > Cheri wrote"
> > > > >
> > > > > I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you
> > > > > think the use
> > > > > causes infection? I use it when I have infections because
> > > > > it gives some relief.
> > > > > The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had
> > > > > considered.
> > > >
> >
> > It's kind of strange that nebulizers can cause respiratory
> > infections but then are used to relieve the symptoms of those
> > infections, but that's what occurs.
> >
> > > > Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up
> > > > schmutz like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep
> > > > them sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes
> > > > germ laden, the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no
> > > > longer use a nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very
> > > > well.
> > >
> > > I only use mine when I am desperate. I hate it. But I do agree
> > > about the drugs.
> >
> > I haven't used a nebulizer for almost two years now. I put all my
> > neb stuff into storage, I have 4 different nebulizer compressors and
> > several types of nebulizers, and I gave gallons of meds to the
> > clinic in town. The new medications work much better and I'm no
> > longer tied to that plastic tube. There are some side effects, all
> > meds have side effects, but so long as I use the medications
> > correctly they work very well. The old style inhalers are like
> > antiques in comparison.
>
> I haven't used mine for some time, but I daren't put it into storage
> ...

Storage here means a closet or an easily reached barn on the property
;-)

Carol

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On 10/10/2015 12:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/10/2015 12:13 PM, cshenk wrote:

>> I've never tried freezing them. I wonder if they will work for one
>> slot in a frozen home made lunch? I know the TV dinners have them, but
>> not sure if they do anything 'special' to them for it to work right.
>>
> Mashed potatoes (garlic or otherwise) work just fine for a frozen home
> made lunch or dinner. Nothing special required in the way of preparation.
>
> Jill

I'll add my affirmative to that, too. I sometimes do just as Carol
mentioned and put them in a plastic serving dish with separated
compartments.

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On 10/12/2015 6:28 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/10/2015 12:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/10/2015 12:13 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>> I've never tried freezing them. I wonder if they will work for one
>>> slot in a frozen home made lunch? I know the TV dinners have them, but
>>> not sure if they do anything 'special' to them for it to work right.
>>>
>> Mashed potatoes (garlic or otherwise) work just fine for a frozen home
>> made lunch or dinner. Nothing special required in the way of
>> preparation.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I'll add my affirmative to that, too. I sometimes do just as Carol
> mentioned and put them in a plastic serving dish with separated
> compartments.
>
I've got a lot of sectioned covered freezer plates. I love having
leftovers for that very reason. It's great to be able to heat up a
homemade TV dinner on those nights when I don't feel like cooking.

Jill

On 10/11/2015 3:02 PM, Xeno wrote:

>
> BTW, they are designed to be easily replaced if broken - as long as the
> implant itself is secure in the bone of the jaw.
>
> A friend had his done - full upper set - against the recommendation of
> his surgeon and they all failed. His bone structure and density wasn't
> adequate and he was told that but he insisted.
>
I was also told I have bone loss and most of my implants required bone
grafting but so far so good and at each checkup they check and make sure
they are still holding on strong. In addition to bone grafts I also
needed a sinus lift for one of the implants because the bone was up
pretty high and with the sinus cavity in its original location there
wouldn't be enough bone to anchor it. That has also been successful for
many years. Bone grafts and other procedures require you to wait longer
for the implant, but again worth it. And a good dental surgeon is key.
My guy took ages and lots of xrays but as he told me he's a
perfectionist and wanted to make sure any implants he did would last.

One more thing, it's practically impossible for an implant to break,
they are made from titanium but they sure can fail.

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Cheryl

On 10/11/2015 7:03 AM, Gary wrote:

> I do get the impression that the implants are the next best thing to
> real. Do you find this to be true? I still have all my teeth (3 are
> crowned though). If I live long enough that will change eventually. I
> suppose people get used to dentures but it's a scary thought to me.
>
> Also with dentures, you would go for years with missing teeth before
> requiring a full denture unless you just get many good ones pulled too
> all at once. Partials sound like a pain to deal with (and scary too).
> The implants sound like a good alternative if you can afford them. At
> least with implants you can get one at a time as a real tooth needs to
> come out.

I see you got lots of good answers. I refused to go with dentures even
though my insurance company said that's all they would cover. I decided
to pay out of pocket and just did it piecemeal. I think I'm finished
with the ones I needed, for now. Though I get to have a root canal party
tomorrow. <-- toothy smile

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Cheryl

On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je�us wrote:

> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>
Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
but it's worse now.

> I know what this sounds like - but like me you probably 'know what
> you're doing' when it comes to dosage/mixing drugs I've always made
> a point of knowing what I am taking, it's risks, average doses, etc.
> Mixing with alcohol certainly amplifies an analgesic's effects.
>
>> >I hope you're feeling better, and I guess you only have a few hours to
>> >have to get through until you can get to the dentist?
> Thanks Cheryl, this afternoon I'm off to the doctors to look into this
> further, at the very least I need some more antibiotics to get rid of
> the infection which still persists. Its made eating difficult and
> painful... I've been using a teaspoon to eat with since that's about
> all I can fit in my mouth without too much pain.
>
> I'll see about some pain killers too, as I'm out of oxycodone and have
> a few tramadols and Norspan patches left. I normally don't use any
> pharmaceutical pain killers, but like to have a supply stashed in the
> fridge for emergencies (I have lower back and elsewhere pain). I get
> them here and there from friends occasionally, no need for a
> prescription as I don't need that many normally. Like to keep
> antibiotics handy too. Medical help is a long way from here, which is
> the main reason I do this.

I understand.

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On 10/12/2015 5:33 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> A little
> goes a long way - I still want some of the acid left.
>
> -sw


You should be dipped in an acid bath.

On 10/12/2015 5:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> She's not adding sugar.


You need to eat rat poison.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> I've got a lot of sectioned covered freezer plates. I love having
> leftovers for that very reason. It's great to be able to heat up a
> homemade TV dinner on those nights when I don't feel like cooking.
>
> Jill

What? You mean there's actually a day that passes when you don't cook?
Surely there must be some sort of rule here that doesn't allow that. ;-)

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:22:04 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>Cheri wrote"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use a nebuliser too, and that relieves my problems Do you think
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>causes infection? I use it when I have infections because it gives
>>>>>>some
>>>>>>relief.
>>>>>>The idea that it causes infection isn't something I had considered.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> It's kind of strange that nebulizers can cause respiratory infections
>>> but then are used to relieve the symptoms of those infections, but
>>> that's what occurs.
>>>
>>>>> Nebulizers definitely cause infections... nebulizers suck up schmutz
>>>>> like a vacuum cleaner and it's near impossible to keep them
>>>>> sanitized.... the tubing gets filthy, the filter becomes germ laden,
>>>>> the entire thing is a disaster. Fortunately I no longer use a
>>>>> nebulizer, there are new drugs now that work very well.
>>>>
>>>>I only use mine when I am desperate. I hate it. But I do agree about
>>>>the
>>>>drugs.
>>>
>>> I haven't used a nebulizer for almost two years now. I put all my neb
>>> stuff into storage, I have 4 different nebulizer compressors and
>>> several types of nebulizers, and I gave gallons of meds to the clinic
>>> in town. The new medications work much better and I'm no longer tied
>>> to that plastic tube. There are some side effects, all meds have side
>>> effects, but so long as I use the medications correctly they work very
>>> well. The old style inhalers are like antiques in comparison.
>>
>>I haven't used mine for some time, but I daren't put it into storage ...
>
> I have stuff, bleach orientated, that I use to sterilise tubing for
> wine making, would think it would do the same for nebulizers ?

My nebuliser is an electric machine. Yes, I do sterilize the attachments.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:29:05 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I've got a lot of sectioned covered freezer plates. I love having
> > leftovers for that very reason. It's great to be able to heat up a
> > homemade TV dinner on those nights when I don't feel like cooking.
> >
> > Jill
>
> What? You mean there's actually a day that passes when you don't cook?
> Surely there must be some sort of rule here that doesn't allow that. ;-)
>
A day rarely passes that I don't cook. Not because I have to, because
I want to. If it was just me rattling around the house alone, I'd
probably never cook.

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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:28:13 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

>On 10/6/2015 2:48 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> It all sounds fantastic to me! I have not heard of cider syrup before,
>> is that some sort of syrup based on apple juice?
>>
>
>It's also called boiled cider: apple cider boiled down till it is of a
>syrup consistency. Intensely apple-flavored, and a good thing to not
>only pour over pancakes, but to punch up the apple flavor in apple
>dishes. Easy to make: take 1 gallon fresh cider, bring to boil, reduce
>to medium heat and cook uncovered several hours, until reduced to
>about 2 cups and syrup coats the back of a spoon. Store in fridge, or
>heat process in sterilized jars for pantry storage.

Wow, I really like the sound of that

Now... there's cider, then there's cider...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_cider
USAians generally call unfiltered apple juice 'cider', I assume this
is what you mean rather than hard (alcoholic) cider.

I have been making hard cider for years (although none in past 2
years) . I'm definitely going to give this a try in around six months
time when I should have a few new batches of (alcoholic) cider, IMO it
should work with this type of cider. I'll probably try apple juic,
too.

Thanks for that info Moe.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>>
>Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
>additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
>foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
>was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
>but it's worse now.

Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
unmanageable any other way.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:11:36 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>I haven't used a nebulizer for almost two years now. I put all my neb
>stuff into storage,

Are you sure that's a good idea? I hope when you say 'storage' that
it's easily and quickly accessible...

On 10/13/2015 5:11 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:28:13 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2015 2:48 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> It all sounds fantastic to me! I have not heard of cider syrup before,
>>> is that some sort of syrup based on apple juice?
>>>
>>
>> It's also called boiled cider: apple cider boiled down till it is of a
>> syrup consistency. Intensely apple-flavored, and a good thing to not
>> only pour over pancakes, but to punch up the apple flavor in apple
>> dishes. Easy to make: take 1 gallon fresh cider, bring to boil, reduce
>> to medium heat and cook uncovered several hours, until reduced to
>> about 2 cups and syrup coats the back of a spoon. Store in fridge, or
>> heat process in sterilized jars for pantry storage.
>
> Wow, I really like the sound of that
>
> Now... there's cider, then there's cider...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_cider
> USAians generally call unfiltered apple juice 'cider', I assume this
> is what you mean rather than hard (alcoholic) cider.
>
> I have been making hard cider for years (although none in past 2
> years) . I'm definitely going to give this a try in around six months
> time when I should have a few new batches of (alcoholic) cider, IMO it
> should work with this type of cider. I'll probably try apple juic,
> too.
>
> Thanks for that info Moe.
>
What is up with coincidences lately? Nancy and I were talking about our
cats getting sat on. Then we talked about useless bowl covers for
leftovers and it came up in conversation here. Now cider.

There's an old building that used to be called Saint Helena Island
Market. For decades it was a fruit and vegetable market that also sold
things like local honey, jams, piccalillie and pepper jelly. Herbs and
hanging floral baskets. The guy who owned it ran out of money and the
supplies dwindled. He sort of disappeared about four years ago.

The place was abandoned and is pretty much decrepit. It has been bought
by the Beaufort County Land Trust and is about to reopen (after a little
refurbishing) as an Apple Cider Stand. I had no idea anyone around here
is that interested in apple cider.

Jill

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:07:09 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:16:27 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>>> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>>>>
>>>Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
>>>additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
>>>foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
>>>was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
>>>but it's worse now.
>>
>>Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
>>where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
>>of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
>>back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
>>unmanageable any other way.
>>
>I had an xray that showed damage to lower vertebrae. My doc was
>against ops until all else failed, her recommend was walking. Humble
>walking, increasing distance all the time and sure enough it has
>strengthened muscles in my back very well and it is all manageable
>now. Rainy days I sometimes have to take an Aleve or similar, but
>most of the time, it's great.

Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking the
poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing

Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
> > On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >
> >> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
> > >
> > Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And
> > some additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like
> > neuropathy in my foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it
> > now more than before I was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone.
> > I still had the pain before, but it's worse now.
>
> Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
> where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
> of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
> back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
> unmanageable any other way.

I too have back pain. Its best generally to avoid the surgery as long
as you can. It all too often makes it worse.

Carol

--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
> > back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
> > first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
> > morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
> > the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>
> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.

It's true too. A simple limber up is required.

Carol

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On 10/13/2015 7:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>>> back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>>> first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>>> morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
>>> the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>>
>> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.
>
> It's true too. A simple limber up is required.
>
> Carol
>
I bought a hula hoop.

Jill

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:41:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > >
> > >> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
> > > >
> > > Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And
> > > some additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like
> > > neuropathy in my foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it
> > > now more than before I was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone.
> > > I still had the pain before, but it's worse now.
> >
> > Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
> > where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
> > of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
> > back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
> > unmanageable any other way.
>
> I too have back pain. Its best generally to avoid the surgery as long
> as you can. It all too often makes it worse.
>

A friend has had at least 3 major back surgeries, including spinal
fusion and nothing has worked to relieve the pain. It's horrible. I
am a wuss with just a little back stress that goes away after an
aspirin and a good night's rest. I can't imagine enduring chromic
pain like that.


--

sf

On 10/13/2015 5:16 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>>>
>> Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
>> additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
>> foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
>> was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
>> but it's worse now.
>
> Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
> where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
> of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
> back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
> unmanageable any other way.
>
>
I had gotten to the point where it was a last resort. PT, epidurals,
many other kinds of non-surgery treatments but nothing worked. I
couldn't stand or walk for more than 10 minutes. I do admit it's at
least a little better in that I can stand and walk longer, but not by
much. Good luck and hope you don't have to go through surgery for it.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:44:08 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>> > back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>> > first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>> > morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
>> > the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>>
>> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.
>
>It's true too. A simple limber up is required.
>
> Carol

This morning I was out of bed at 5 AM, fed the cats, washed their
dishes, cleaned their litter pans, had my coffee, and by 9 AM the sun
was up and the dew was gone, so I spent three hours walking... pushing
a lawnmower... clearing around all the trees, buildings, etc., then
six hours on the tractors..., then washed the tractors, put everything
away, got me showered and by then it was dark out... dinner was a can
of Progresso low fat ministrone, right from the can, and two of my
raisin bran muffins... I don't need an exercize program to limber up.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:03:38 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2015 7:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>>>> back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>>>> first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>>>> morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
>>>> the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>>>
>>> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>>> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>>> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>>> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>>> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.
>>
>> It's true too. A simple limber up is required.
>>
>I bought a hula hoop.

Post a video of you using the hula hoop. Go on

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:41:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >
>> >> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>> > >
>> > Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And
>> > some additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like
>> > neuropathy in my foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it
>> > now more than before I was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone.
>> > I still had the pain before, but it's worse now.
>>
>> Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
>> where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
>> of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
>> back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
>> unmanageable any other way.
>
>I too have back pain. Its best generally to avoid the surgery as long
>as you can. It all too often makes it worse.

Yes and seemingly always irreversibly worse too.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:20:52 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/13/2015 5:16 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>>> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>>>>
>>> Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
>>> additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
>>> foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
>>> was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
>>> but it's worse now.
>>
>> Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
>> where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
>> of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
>> back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
>> unmanageable any other way.
>>
>>
>I had gotten to the point where it was a last resort. PT, epidurals,
>many other kinds of non-surgery treatments but nothing worked. I
>couldn't stand or walk for more than 10 minutes. I do admit it's at
>least a little better in that I can stand and walk longer, but not by
>much. Good luck and hope you don't have to go through surgery for it.

Thanks, I think you are/were worse off than myself. I can still work
hard, and also do all the wrong things one shouldnt do with a bad back
(but almost always at a cost). Then there are times I can't do much at
all, of course. It's been quite a while since I've had an 'episode',
I'm due for one by now.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:18:09 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>>back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>>first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>>morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking the
>>poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>
>When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>walking.

I'm always up early too, I don't get to stay in bed much after say,
8:30AM even if I want to as the cats have other ideas.

>Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.

My personal experience agrees with that.

On 14/10/2015 4:35 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:20:52 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2015 5:16 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:05:55 -0400, Cheryl >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/2015 6:29 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> May I ask what is the source of your pain?
>>>>>
>>>> Lower back pain that didn't really get better from surgery. And some
>>>> additional pain that I didn't have before surgery, like neuropathy in my
>>>> foot that hurts like hell sometimes. I notice it now more than before I
>>>> was switched to hydrocodone from oxycodone. I still had the pain before,
>>>> but it's worse now.
>>>
>>> Very sorry to hear that. I also live with lower back pain, so I know
>>> where you're coming from. The idea of back surgery scares the hell out
>>> of me, and your story is yet another one to keep me that way. For me,
>>> back surgery would be an absolute last resort if the pain became
>>> unmanageable any other way.
>>>
>>>
>> I had gotten to the point where it was a last resort. PT, epidurals,
>> many other kinds of non-surgery treatments but nothing worked. I
>> couldn't stand or walk for more than 10 minutes. I do admit it's at
>> least a little better in that I can stand and walk longer, but not by
>> much. Good luck and hope you don't have to go through surgery for it.
>
> Thanks, I think you are/were worse off than myself. I can still work
> hard, and also do all the wrong things one shouldnt do with a bad back
> (but almost always at a cost). Then there are times I can't do much at
> all, of course. It's been quite a while since I've had an 'episode',
> I'm due for one by now.
>
I had fusion surgery about 37 years ago due to a ruptured disc. The
recovery was drawn out but I expect it's much quicker these days with
improved surgical techniques and anaesthetics. Since then, I rarely get
back ache but when I do, I lie in a very hot bath for up to 30 minutes
and also lie on the floor when watching the TV or reading.
Graham

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:31:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:03:38 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 10/13/2015 7:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>>>>> back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>>>>> first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>>>>> morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
>>>>> the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>>>>
>>>> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>>>> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>>>> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>>>> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>>>> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.
>>>
>>> It's true too. A simple limber up is required.
>>>
>>I bought a hula hoop.
>
>Post a video of you using the hula hoop. Go on

Just the thought of the action needed for a hoop makes my back hurt
The twist in it...

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:03:19 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:31:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:03:38 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/13/2015 7:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:05:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree with walking. After spending say 7 hours in bed 'sleeping', my
>>>>>> back says it's time to get up (the pain usually starts within the
>>>>>> first two hours). Best relief for me is going for a walk in the
>>>>>> morning... coffee first, of course . Doing the rounds, checking
>>>>>> the poultry and livestock etc. I can feel myself un-seizing
>>>>>
>>>>> When the kids were little and fractious I always used to think, one
>>>>> day when they are up and gone, I will lounge around in bed until lunch
>>>>> time if I want, however by 6am latest now, I need to be up and
>>>>> walking. Also, I see many reports that say walking is the single best
>>>>> thing you can do as you age, far better than jogging etc.
>>>>
>>>> It's true too. A simple limber up is required.
>>>>
>>>I bought a hula hoop.
>>
>>Post a video of you using the hula hoop. Go on
>
>Just the thought of the action needed for a hoop makes my back hurt
>The twist in it...

For some reason that gave me a flashback to a scene from a Rodney
Dangerfield movie called 'Easy Money'