On Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:23:20 UTC+1, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Kody" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> > ...
> >>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >>to make him something to cheer him up.
> >>
> >>nancy
> >
> > So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> > eat oranges or not??
>
> That's because every body is different. There is no one diet that we all
> eat. That's one reason why we have meters. We can test and see if a food
> works for us or not. But as a general rule, fruits like oranges and bananas
> will cause a spike so usually not good.

No, not a general rule at all. Oranges and bananas may cause a spike for you but everyone. You can work fruit into your diet without causing a spike.. Fruit contains vitamins, minerals and fibre. A well balanced varied diet is much better than a miserable, unsustainable diet when one does away with whole food groups.

Cherry

On Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:27:51 UTC+1, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> jinx the minx wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm
> >>> sicker
> >>> than a dog.
> >>
> >> Julie, is that you?
> >> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.
> >
> > True. In Italy pasa is served as a main course, not a side dish. Pasta
> > is the dish, the sauces are just for some flavor.
>
> Wrong! It is served as a course, of which there are many.

True that and they don't overload their plates with the stuff either.

Cherry

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-5, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote in
> :
>
> >> Tiramisu is heavenly and uses very little sugar. I make it
> >> Marsalla wine and cognac.
> >
> > Ooo, I'd love to make that for myself.
> >
> > What I didn't mention was that he's also had a mini stroke
> > and I'm pretty sure I should avoid booze with his BP meds,
> > so I'm keeping it simple, but thanks very much for the idea.
>
> Not to mention that alcohol converts to sugar.
>
Since when? Alcohols DO NOT convert to carbohydrates, but to ketones.
There might be other reasons to avoid ethanol in the person's health state,
but not sugar.
>
--Bryan

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:33:34 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
> > My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> > him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> > oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> > to make him something to cheer him up.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Oranges? Those are probably one of the worst things for a diabetic.
> Diabetics need to watch their carbs. Oranges are high in carbs. Does he
> even eat dessert? I am diabetic and I usually don't eat it. Nuts should be
> fine. Perhaps even lightly sweetened ones if he eats those. I sometimes
> eat Sahale Snacks. Just beware of anything with sugar alcohols in it.
> Those are laxatives and often touted for diabetics.

Sugar alcohols vary as well. Erythritol is pretty inert, and is the only
polyol that they should use in diabetic snacks.

--Bryan

On 6/3/2015 1:09 PM, Kody wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message
>> ...
>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>> nancy
>
> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> eat oranges or not??
>
> -Kody

Like everything else, moderation. My grandson, if his sugar goes low,
will drink some OJ for a quick boost.

> wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:23:20 UTC+1, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Kody" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> > ...
> >>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >>to make him something to cheer him up.
> >>
> >>nancy
> >
> > So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> > eat oranges or not??
>
> That's because every body is different. There is no one diet that we all
> eat. That's one reason why we have meters. We can test and see if a food
> works for us or not. But as a general rule, fruits like oranges and
> bananas
> will cause a spike so usually not good.

No, not a general rule at all. Oranges and bananas may cause a spike for
you but everyone. You can work fruit into your diet without causing a
spike. Fruit contains vitamins, minerals and fibre. A well balanced
varied diet is much better than a miserable, unsustainable diet when one
does away with whole food groups.

Cherry

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And my dieticians would disagree with that. I have been told that it is
better for us to eat vegetables than fruit but that most people like fruit
so it is worked into their diets. I can go months at a time without eating
any fruit. I don't usually like fruit. I have been eating some grapes in
past weeks. My body must be needing something that is in grapes because I
only seem to crave foods when I am lacking in something. My Endo. does my
labs and sometimes they will show a deficiency but usually not.

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:39:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:20:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> >> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>> >> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>> >> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > HA!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>> >> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>> >> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>> >> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>> >> > those things?
>>> >>
>>> >> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>>> >> this
>>> >> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>> >
>>> > I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>> > Maybe that's why.
>>>
>>> Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.
>>
>> Fortunately for me, I can eat garbanzo beans - but of all the beans
>> available, that one is my least favorite. I hate the texture of whole
>> garbanzo beans and avoid them like the plague. I think they're fine
>> ground up in hummus, but it's probably because I like the tahini.
>> Can't say I've ever eaten hummus in a restaurant (haven't seen it on a
>> menu either), but I always spice it up with a goodly amount of harissa
>> at home. In any case, it's probably another one of those menu items
>> (like nachos and guacamole) where they charge way too much for
>> something that's so easy to make at home (or buy) for pennies and I
>> wouldn't order it anyway.
>
>Agree. They are good in a hummus but otherwise too hard to eat because they
>roll around and you can't stab them with your fork. And they really haven't
>got a lot of flavor.

Hard to eat because they roll around? I beg to differ. I put chickpeas
in salad all the time, and we have no trouble getting them in our
mouths.

You don't have to stab them. You just have to get them on the flat
part of your fork.

(And I like their flavor.)

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:39:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:20:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> >> ...
>>>> >> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> >> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> >> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>>> >> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>>> >> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > HA!
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>>> >> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>>> >> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>>> >> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>>> >> > those things?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>>> > Maybe that's why.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.
>>>
>>> Fortunately for me, I can eat garbanzo beans - but of all the beans
>>> available, that one is my least favorite. I hate the texture of whole
>>> garbanzo beans and avoid them like the plague. I think they're fine
>>> ground up in hummus, but it's probably because I like the tahini.
>>> Can't say I've ever eaten hummus in a restaurant (haven't seen it on a
>>> menu either), but I always spice it up with a goodly amount of harissa
>>> at home. In any case, it's probably another one of those menu items
>>> (like nachos and guacamole) where they charge way too much for
>>> something that's so easy to make at home (or buy) for pennies and I
>>> wouldn't order it anyway.
>>
>>Agree. They are good in a hummus but otherwise too hard to eat because
>>they
>>roll around and you can't stab them with your fork. And they really
>>haven't
>>got a lot of flavor.
>
> Hard to eat because they roll around? I beg to differ. I put chickpeas
> in salad all the time, and we have no trouble getting them in our
> mouths.
>
> You don't have to stab them. You just have to get them on the flat
> part of your fork.
>
> (And I like their flavor.)
>
> Doris

You probably eat salad dressing and perhaps that makes them stick to your
fork. I just know that any time I have gotten them from a salad bar, they
remained in the bottom of my container or on my plate because they wouldn't
go on or stay on the fork. And the few times I chose those as our dinner
vegetable when I was a kid, I had trouble eating them.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 15:26:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:11:55 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>>>> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>>>> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>>>> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>>>>> > the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>>>>> > Think: low carb.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
>>>>> diabetics,
>>>>> sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or lactose -
>>>>> it's
>>>>> all sugar.
>>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>No, fruit juice is bad and is very high in sugar. An average sized
>>>>orange
>>>>or apple contains approx. 50 calories plus you also get the fibre etc.
>>>>So,
>>>>whole fresh fruit is OK providing you don't overdo it. The one caveat
>>>>is
>>>>grapes which are absolutely loaded with sugar.
>>>
>>> Of course, what is missing from this discussion is the word
>>> *exercise*. I believe the lack of any accounts for a good part of the
>>> problems many people have with carbs and diabetes in general.
>>> I'll wager that vulnerable people would find their bodies are far more
>>> tolerant of sugars and carbs if they got a decent workout regularly.
>>
>>
>>The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>>get regular exercise.
>
> I didn't mean to imply exercise is a panacea, but there's no doubt in
> my mind that it would help many diabetics. People as you describe
> must be eating very poor diets, not all people put on weight eating
> that way as well of course.

No to so much. Environmental contamination is one thing nobody wants to
discuss. Even fit kids are getting type II.




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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jinx the minx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm
>>>> sicker
>>>> than a dog.
>>>
>>> Julie, is that you?
>>> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.
>>
>> True. In Italy pasa is served as a main course, not a side dish. Pasta
>> is the dish, the sauces are just for some flavor.
>
> Wrong! It is served as a course, of which there are many.


None of which you would eat, anyway.



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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 04:16:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>>>> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>>>> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > HA!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>>>> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>>>> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>>>> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>>>> > those things?
>>>>>
>>>>> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>>>>> this
>>>>> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>>>
>>>>I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>>>Maybe that's why.
>>>
>>> I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
>>> that ain't no hummus no more.
>>
>>Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.
>
> So I just learnt. And fava beans are broad beans, and cilantro is
> coriander. Maybe it's a Mexican influence?

Not so fast. Coriander is the cilantro seed. Has a unique flavor.



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"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-5, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Nancy Young > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >> Tiramisu is heavenly and uses very little sugar. I make it
>> >> Marsalla wine and cognac.
>> >
>> > Ooo, I'd love to make that for myself.
>> >
>> > What I didn't mention was that he's also had a mini stroke
>> > and I'm pretty sure I should avoid booze with his BP meds,
>> > so I'm keeping it simple, but thanks very much for the idea.
>>
>> Not to mention that alcohol converts to sugar.
>>
> Since when? Alcohols DO NOT convert to carbohydrates, but to ketones.
> There might be other reasons to avoid ethanol in the person's health
> state,
> but not sugar.


Ketones are created from the burning of fat. They are actually good for the
brain as it uses ketones for energy. Ketoacidosis though is not good.



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On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> get regular exercise.

Absolutely.

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sf

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 12:09:23 -0500, "Kody" >
wrote:

> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> ...
> >My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >to make him something to cheer him up.
> >
> >nancy
>
> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics eat
> oranges or not??
>
Whole oranges also contain fiber (which is good), but it doesn't mean
you can go "ape shit" eating them. The limit is one small orange per
day. Look it up!


--

sf

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:30:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> And my dieticians would disagree with that. I have been told that it is
> better for us to eat vegetables than fruit but that most people like fruit
> so it is worked into their diets. I can go months at a time without eating
> any fruit. I don't usually like fruit. I have been eating some grapes in
> past weeks. My body must be needing something that is in grapes because I
> only seem to crave foods when I am lacking in something. My Endo. does my
> labs and sometimes they will show a deficiency but usually not.

You are an unusual and extremely unique human being.

--

sf

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:38:33 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 07:51:16 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 21:50:13 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >snip
> >>
> >>I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
> >>that ain't no hummus no more.
> >
> >Chickpeas and garbanzo beans are the same thing.
>
> O, really? Confusing.

In that case you're also confused by aubergine/eggplant and
courgette/zucchini. No problem, I was too - but I learned. I was
also flummoxed by the garbanzo (which is the way I learned it), chick
pea, ceci (cece) bean are alternative words - but I learned to connect
the dots.

What flummoxes me to this day is "broad bean". When I think about
"broad bean", it brings to mind the Italian broad bean
https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/64....265922022.jpg
but when Europeans say "broad bean" they are talking about what I know
as "fava" beans http://www.hungryagain.net/images/favaing-798623.jpg
I'd like to know what they call the Italian broad bean!


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sf

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:34:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 04:16:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>>>>>> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>>>>>> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > HA!
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>>>>>> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>>>>>> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>>>>>> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>>>>>> > those things?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>>>>>Maybe that's why.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
>>>>> that ain't no hummus no more.
>>>>
>>>>Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.
>>>
>>> So I just learnt. And fava beans are broad beans, and cilantro is
>>> coriander. Maybe it's a Mexican influence?
>>
>>Not so fast. Coriander is the cilantro seed. Has a unique flavor.
>
> Yes, in US English. But if you look at Wikipedia
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander), coriander is the herb in
> general. Or what you call cilantro. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>

We daffy Colonists consider the two as seperate seasonings.



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On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:34:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.
> >
> > So I just learnt. And fava beans are broad beans, and cilantro is
> > coriander. Maybe it's a Mexican influence?
>
> Not so fast. Coriander is the cilantro seed. Has a unique flavor.
>
That's American speak. The Brits call cilantro "coriander leaves" and
the seed is "coriander seed". I prefer our way. We use one word and
know exactly what it is.

Of course, we have our own home grown terminologies that confuse me.
I still don't know what butter beans are. Are they some form of lima
or an entirely different bean? They look like limas only bigger and
beige. That's all I know about them.

--

sf

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:05:53 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:34:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>>>news > >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 04:16:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> >>>>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
> >>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
> >>>>>>> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
> >>>>>>> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
> >>>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>> >> > HA!
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
> >>>>>>> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
> >>>>>>> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
> >>>>>>> >> emergency room. Ooops.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
> >>>>>>> > those things?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
> >>>>>>Maybe that's why.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
> >>>>> that ain't no hummus no more.
> >>>>
> >>>>Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.
> >>>
> >>> So I just learnt. And fava beans are broad beans, and cilantro is
> >>> coriander. Maybe it's a Mexican influence?
> >>
> >>Not so fast. Coriander is the cilantro seed. Has a unique flavor.
> >
> > Yes, in US English. But if you look at Wikipedia
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander), coriander is the herb in
> > general. Or what you call cilantro. Correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
>
> We daffy Colonists consider the two as seperate seasonings.
>
We also consider nutmeg and mace two completely different spices.

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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:43:28 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
> I think that in UK and Australian English the herb and leaf are called
> coriander and the seed is called coriander seed. To me, the seed was
> always called ketumbar.

What language is "ketumbar"?


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 20:34:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.
>> >
>> > So I just learnt. And fava beans are broad beans, and cilantro is
>> > coriander. Maybe it's a Mexican influence?
>>
>> Not so fast. Coriander is the cilantro seed. Has a unique flavor.
>>
> That's American speak. The Brits call cilantro "coriander leaves" and
> the seed is "coriander seed". I prefer our way. We use one word and
> know exactly what it is.
>

Yeah well look up your zipcode. This IS America where cilantro is an herb,
corriander is a spcie.

> Of course, we have our own home grown terminologies that confuse me.
> I still don't know what butter beans are. Are they some form of lima
> or an entirely different bean? They look like limas only bigger and
> beige. That's all I know about them.

They taste good, that much I can say.



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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:59:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 04:49:07 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:43:28 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that in UK and Australian English the herb and leaf are called
> >> coriander and the seed is called coriander seed. To me, the seed was
> >> always called ketumbar.
> >
> >What language is "ketumbar"?
>
> Indonesian.

Thanks, that makes sense for Australia.

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On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 22:39:51 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:39:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:20:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> >> ...
>>>> >> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> >> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> >> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>>> >> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>>> >> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > HA!
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>>> >> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>>> >> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>>> >> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>>> >> > those things?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>>> > Maybe that's why.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.
>>>
>>> Fortunately for me, I can eat garbanzo beans - but of all the beans
>>> available, that one is my least favorite. I hate the texture of whole
>>> garbanzo beans and avoid them like the plague. I think they're fine
>>> ground up in hummus, but it's probably because I like the tahini.
>>> Can't say I've ever eaten hummus in a restaurant (haven't seen it on a
>>> menu either), but I always spice it up with a goodly amount of harissa
>>> at home. In any case, it's probably another one of those menu items
>>> (like nachos and guacamole) where they charge way too much for
>>> something that's so easy to make at home (or buy) for pennies and I
>>> wouldn't order it anyway.
>>
>>Agree. They are good in a hummus but otherwise too hard to eat because they
>>roll around and you can't stab them with your fork. And they really haven't
>>got a lot of flavor.
>
>Hard to eat because they roll around? I beg to differ. I put chickpeas
>in salad all the time, and we have no trouble getting them in our
>mouths.
>
>You don't have to stab them. You just have to get them on the flat
>part of your fork.
>
>(And I like their flavor.)
>
>Doris

I put garbanzos in salads all the time, no problem picking them up
with a fork, especially when coated with a little dressing... I don't
like hummus, tastes awful to me but humous is good garden soil... hehe
One of the best ways to prepare garbanzos is seasoned and roasted.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:38:33 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 07:51:16 -0600, Janet B >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 21:50:13 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> > >
> > >snip
> > >>
> > >>I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
> > >>that ain't no hummus no more.
> > >
> > >Chickpeas and garbanzo beans are the same thing.
> >
> > O, really? Confusing.
>
> In that case you're also confused by aubergine/eggplant and
> courgette/zucchini. No problem, I was too - but I learned. I was
> also flummoxed by the garbanzo (which is the way I learned it), chick
> pea, ceci (cece) bean are alternative words - but I learned to connect
> the dots.
>
> What flummoxes me to this day is "broad bean". When I think about
> "broad bean", it brings to mind the Italian broad bean
> https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/64....265922022.jpg
> but when Europeans say "broad bean" they are talking about what I know
> as "fava" beans http://www.hungryagain.net/images/favaing-798623.jpg
> I'd like to know what they call the Italian broad bean!

Vicia faba = fava beans = fave in Italian = broad beans.

For "butter beans" see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolus_lunatus

The ones we have here are the yellow variety Phaseolus lunatus var.
macrocarpus; bigger than lima beans.

Janet UK

On 6/3/2015 2:32 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
>> I also do not have advanced neuropathy, whatever that is.
>> I have moderate neuropathy.
>
> I don't have the pleasure of reading many Julie-posts lately, but THIS
> one... THIS ONE, really takes the cake.
>
> Every time I see somebody interacting with Julie I want to barf on
> both of them.
>
> -sw
>


You're a evil, small, fat man with NO redeeming personality qualities at
all.

On 6/2/2015 10:39 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:38:32 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:58:47 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:52:02 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You really are a miserable person.
>>>>
>>>> And you're a pinhead whose looking to *murder* a diabetic.
>>>
>>> She hasn't been dishing out any advice here. Now she's a murderer
>>> just because she verbally slaps you?
>>
>> Way to rise above it all, gasbag. You not only can't see your dick anymore
>> but you can't see yourself in a mirror.
>
> 1:38AM PST? The wine and scotch must be hitting you pretty hard right
> about now.
>
> -sw
>

What keeps you posting overnight - meth?

On 6/1/2015 9:49 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:58:47 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:52:02 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> You really are a miserable person.
>>
>> And you're a pinhead whose looking to *murder* a diabetic.
>
> She hasn't been dishing out any advice here. Now she's a murderer
> just because she verbally slaps you?
>
> -sw
>
Get out of here, you're unwelcome.

On 6/3/2015 11:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:30:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> And my dieticians would disagree with that. I have been told that it is
>> better for us to eat vegetables than fruit but that most people like fruit
>> so it is worked into their diets. I can go months at a time without eating
>> any fruit. I don't usually like fruit. I have been eating some grapes in
>> past weeks. My body must be needing something that is in grapes because I
>> only seem to crave foods when I am lacking in something. My Endo. does my
>> labs and sometimes they will show a deficiency but usually not.
>
> You are an unusual and extremely unique human being.
>

She's as finely tuned as classic foreign sports car, and requires
similar attention.

On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>> get regular exercise.
>
> Absolutely.
>

I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"

On 6/3/2015 10:39 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:39:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Agree. They are good in a hummus but otherwise too hard to eat because they
>> roll around and you can't stab them with your fork. And they really haven't
>> got a lot of flavor.
>
> Hard to eat because they roll around? I beg to differ. I put chickpeas
> in salad all the time, and we have no trouble getting them in our
> mouths.
>
> You don't have to stab them. You just have to get them on the flat
> part of your fork.
>
> (And I like their flavor.)
>
> Doris
>
I like them in soup. Hmmmm... "Mexican" or otherwise spicy soup.

Jill

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> >> get regular exercise.
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
>
> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"

My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:50:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> >> get regular exercise.
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
>
> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"

The modern interpretation of "active" means getting your heart rate up
for a certain amount of time.

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> > >> get regular exercise.
> > >
> > > Absolutely.
> > >
> >
> > I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
> > activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
> > plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"
>
> My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!

Even farmers! They just sit in a cab and point the tractor in the
right direction. Beats me why that wasn't roboticized a long time
ago. A field plow driver is more useless than the order taker at
McDonald's. Anyone who can move a joystick could be sitting in a room
somewhere driving it by remote control - like they fly drones, only
more boring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAmvvtIT1Rk

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On 6/4/2015 11:41 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>>>>> get regular exercise.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
>>> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
>>> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"
>>
>> My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!
>
> Even farmers! They just sit in a cab and point the tractor in the
> right direction. Beats me why that wasn't roboticized a long time
> ago. A field plow driver is more useless than the order taker at
> McDonald's. Anyone who can move a joystick could be sitting in a room
> somewhere driving it by remote control - like they fly drones, only
> more boring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAmvvtIT1Rk
>

I'm guessing that you could insert the brains of a Roomba in one of
those and everything would be just fine, Clem. :-)

On 6/4/2015 12:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>>>>> get regular exercise.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
>>> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
>>> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"
>>
>> My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil
>> and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!
>
> Indeed. I have a life of toil and strife, yet hope to die late.
>

Chances are you will die late. I get to meet a lot of old folks. What
they have mostly in common is chronic pain every day. Amazingly, a lot
of them are able to remain cheerful for the most part but still, they'll
often say they are fully ready to go.

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:10:40 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 6/4/2015 11:41 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> >>>>> get regular exercise.
> >>>>
> >>>> Absolutely.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
> >>> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
> >>> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"
> >>
> >> My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!
> >
> > Even farmers! They just sit in a cab and point the tractor in the
> > right direction. Beats me why that wasn't roboticized a long time
> > ago. A field plow driver is more useless than the order taker at
> > McDonald's. Anyone who can move a joystick could be sitting in a room
> > somewhere driving it by remote control - like they fly drones, only
> > more boring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAmvvtIT1Rk
> >
>
> I'm guessing that you could insert the brains of a Roomba in one of
> those and everything would be just fine, Clem. :-)

You got it!

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who
>>> do
>>> get regular exercise.
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>
> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are plowing
> a field behind a horse, you are not very active"

I would have asked her how often she did that.

When I was a teen, despite being very thin, I had a bit of a tummy. My mom
let me see the Dr. by myself. He reached out, pinched my small tummy and
said, "What have we here?" I reached out, grabbed a handful of his big
belly, batted my eyes and said, "And what have we there?" He said no more
about it.

On 6/4/2015 3:18 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:15:19 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/4/2015 12:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 6/4/2015 1:10 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>>>>>>> get regular exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was at the doctor's office a few years ago and the NP asked me about
>>>>> activity. After explaining my situation, she said "unless you are
>>>>> plowing a field behind a horse, you are not very active"
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that mankind was meant, like most natural animals, to have a life of toil
>>>> and strife and then die early. Now we're doing the exact opposite!
>>>
>>> Indeed. I have a life of toil and strife, yet hope to die late.
>>>
>>
>> Chances are you will die late. I get to meet a lot of old folks. What
>> they have mostly in common is chronic pain every day. Amazingly, a lot
>> of them are able to remain cheerful for the most part but still, they'll
>> often say they are fully ready to go.
>
> The miracle of medical marihuana, maybe.
>

Those old folks ain't much into smoking hemp. We gave my mother-in-law
THC pills to improve her appetite and it worked great! Unfortunately,
she went bonkers so that had to stop.

On 6/3/2015 12:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> You posted here you had a 3.4 inch carpet tack imbedded in your foot
>> and the infection was so deep you had to keep your foot elevated for 6
>> weeks.
>
> Okay. I will recap againm for ya then ever again. Yes, it was a carpet
> tack. No it wasn't 3.4 inch and I don't even think it was 3/4 inch but
> I no longer have the little devil so I can't measure.
>
> We had a storm coming. I had on some winter boots. No, it wasn't
> exactly winter.

Winter, not winter. Who knows? LOL

(major snippage)

> I wound up hook up with a couple of bad Drs. and no, I didn't sue.

(snip more tales of woe)

> I don't know where you got this gangrene nonsense from. There was never
> any threat of that.

Gangrene would be the next logical step. He never said you actually
developed gangrene.

> I did wind up having two allergic reactions to the
> antibiotics I was on.
(more snippage)

What *aren't* you allergic to? Criminitly!

Jill

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 12:44:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> I don't do Thai type cooking.
>
Indian or Moroccan either.


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