"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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> You posted here you had a 3.4 inch carpet tack imbedded in your foot and
> the infection was so deep you had to keep your foot elevated for 6 weeks.

Okay. I will recap againm for ya then ever again. Yes, it was a carpet
tack. No it wasn't 3.4 inch and I don't even think it was 3/4 inch but I no
longer have the little devil so I can't measure.

We had a storm coming. I had on some winter boots. No, it wasn't exactly
winter. It was right after Valentine's day but I loved the boots. Up until
then. They were lightweight and comfortable but apparently had crappy soles
on them. I was hurrying the get the trash out. As I walked by the
workbench, I felt a severe pain in my foot. I immediately took off my boot
and ran my hand inside of it. I had just put the boot on and my cats
sometimes like to put things in my boots and shoes. I figured that was the
case there but I found nothing. I did also check a second time in the same
fashion. By running my hand into my boot. Found nothing.

Kept on going. Kept feeling pain. It is not unusual at all for me to have
foot pain. That's what neuropathy does. Causes pain. And yes, it is
moderate. I was tested for it and that is what I was told. I also have
many other problems that can cause me foot pain. I was very busy. I can't
remember the details now but I pushed on. Told myself that the pain was the
phantom pain of neuropathy.

Some hours went by. Can't remember how many now. Got ready for bed and saw
the blood on my foot. Only then did I go back and look at the boot sole.
The sole was very thick. Thicker than the tack by quite a bit. But
apparently it was squishy enough that it compressed down some, allowing the
tack to enter my foot. It did not enter far but that's beside the point.
Because I kept walking around on it, it pierced into my foot many times,
covering an area the size of a dime.

I cleaned the would and went to bed. But by morning, there was redness and
my foot felt hot. I then contacted my daughter and told her not to be
alarmed but that I would likely not be home when she got here as I was going
to the Dr. I think I had shown her my foot that morning when she got up but
I had to wait for the walk in clinic to open.

Dr. told me that the infection came not because I was a diabetic but because
it was a tack the tack entered the flesh. It wasn't *my* tack and I suspect
that it came from next door. The same house where I suspect they were
putting their trash out with mine so I had to pay for it! I did mention it
to him and two other neighbors and that immediately stopped and his trash
trailer came back. Hmmm... Anyway... Dr. said when the wound is a
puncture one, then whatever was on the item that punctured gets pushed up
into your body.

Dr. told me to wait a certain length of time and come back. I was on
antibiotics and doing wound cleaning at home. Also ice and elevation.
Infection got better but didn't totally go away. She tried to send me to
their Podiatrist but they were in another city and it would be difficult for
me to get to. It was my right foot so that made it all the more difficult
to drive. And I didn't want Angela to have to drive there since she didn't
have her license yet. And I really had no one else who could drive for me
due to various circumstances.

I wound up hook up with a couple of bad Drs. and no, I didn't sue. I will
spare you the grisly details of that but what they did to my foot is what
caused sepsis. First off they insisted on operating. To this day I do not
know why. They sent me to the hospital where I was discharged after being
given I.V. antibiotics. They said the wound was healing just fine and I
needed no operation.

At my followup visit, the Drs. went ballistic because I hadn't had the
operation. They sent me back to the hospital. Once in there I had many
medical people look at my foot and tell me that I did not need the
operation. Even their wound care specialist. But the head podiatrist said
they were wrong and he'd rather operate than amputate. I think he said this
to scare me. He seems to like to do that to people and so does his cohort.
That and torture. Everyone else who saw the wound, including the visiting
nurse said they had no clue why he would say this because it was all healing
just fine.

The sepsis came with followup care. Visiting nurse kept telling me if I
continued to see this Dr., my wound would never heal. They both kept
reopening the wound and the one broke a wooden stick off into it. Then
acted surprised when I said that it hurt! They also kept the wound bound
very tightly and would put my foot in an uncomfortable position, I suppose
so I couldn't step down onto it. And because of this, a fungal infection
set in. I wasn't allowed to look at my foot but Angela took pics of it when
she could so I could see how it was progressing, or not. As was the case.
Those Drs. were keeping it from healing. And yes, I have proof of this. My
SIL insisted on going into the room with me and she was horrified of what
they did to me. Begged me to see a different Dr. but those boobs told me
that I had only one more visit with them and it would be healed. If only I
had listened. That last visit caused the sepsis.

The Drs. at the other hospital believe that when they ripped the wound open
again and shoved the stick in, they pushed the fungus deep inside me. By
the time I got to the ER, I was told that I might have have died had my SIL
brought me in 5 minutes later. I did not want to bother her with all of
this because at the time she was taking care of both of her parents. Her
dad has since died. I knew that she had her hands full but she was the only
person who could have driven me there. My mom is blind and everyone else I
know was either working at the time or does not have a vehicle.

I don't know where you got this gangrene nonsense from. There was never any
threat of that. I did wind up having two allergic reactions to the
antibiotics I was on. Both happened in the hospital. And I wound up with a
severe fungal infection pretty much all over that required additional
treatments. What those bad Drs. did to my foot didn't help that but neither
did all of the courses of antibiotics I was on.

So... You can quit with your lies now. What happened to me could have
happened to anyone. The fact that I stepped on the tack more than one,
probably wouldn't have mattered either. Just the fact that I did step on it,
pushed whatever bad things were on it up into my body. The same would havve
happened to anyone that had stepped on it. Now perhaps if someone had
stepped on it and immediately went to the ER for proper wound cleansing,
infection might not have set it. But the first Dr. I saw said it still
likely would have gotten infected because it would have taken me at least a
half an hour to drive to the ER.
>
> That is severe neuropathy. Gangrene is the next level.
>
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/2/2015 6:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/2/2015 1:16 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>>>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>>>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>>>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>>
>>>> Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>>>>
>>>> The reason they don't seem that sugary
>>>> is that they also have tart and acid
>>>> components, which mask the sweetness.
>>>
>>> Believe me, I know that oranges/fruit contain plenty of
>>> sugar. I was quite surprised to find out it's on the
>>> superfood list, not even just Okay in moderation. Yes,
>>> I know it's not a license to eat 5 oranges a day, but
>>> they aren't forbidden the way I assumed they'd be.
>>>
>>> Berries are also on the superfood list. I assume you want
>>> to figure these fruits in with the rest of the sugar you consume
>>> in a day.
>>
>> But what does the term "superfood" mean? Doesn't that mean that it is
>> just high in vitamins? I don't think it means you can eat them whenever
>> you want. And we don't count sugar consumed. We count carbs.
>
> Carbs convert to sugar in the body.

Well dur.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Pasta is around 78 grams of carbs "per cup" A cup aint a lot unless you
>> are Tinkerbell. So a decent portion is 150 grams of carbs. That is
>> almost the equivalent of a large pizza.
>>
>> Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does
>> that?
>
> To me, some of the really small sized portions are not worth it, easier to
> have a larger portion of non-spiking foods for me, but...some people are
> fine with a tablespoon or so of something, or two orange sections etc. I'm
> not one of them. I'd sooner have several strawberries for instance.

I just finished some chicken and rice soup. It had peas, onion, carrot and
celery in it. And of course chicken. And yes, I know that peas are carby
but less carby than rice. I put a heck of a lot more of those non carby
things in there than I did rice. And that works for me.

On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>
>
> HA!

The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
emergency room. Ooops.

nancy

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:35:18 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> Pasta is around 78 grams of carbs "per cup" A cup aint a lot unless you are
> Tinkerbell. So a decent portion is 150 grams of carbs. That is almost the
> equivalent of a large pizza.
>
> Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does that?

The people who aren't stupid.

--

sf

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:21:17 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Pasta is around 78 grams of carbs "per cup" A cup aint a lot unless you
> > are Tinkerbell. So a decent portion is 150 grams of carbs. That is
> > almost the equivalent of a large pizza.
> >
> > Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does
> > that?
>
> To me, some of the really small sized portions are not worth it, easier to
> have a larger portion of non-spiking foods for me, but...some people are
> fine with a tablespoon or so of something, or two orange sections etc. I'm
> not one of them. I'd sooner have several strawberries for instance.
>
It is easy enough to make pasta a side instead of the main event.

--

sf

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
> >>
> >
> > HA!
>
> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
> emergency room. Ooops.
>
My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
those things?


--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>> >>
>> >
>> > HA!
>>
>> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>> emergency room. Ooops.
>>
> My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
> those things?

Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in this
area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > HA!
> >>
> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
> >> emergency room. Ooops.
> >>
> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
> > those things?
>
> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in this
> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.

I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
Maybe that's why.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > HA!
>> >>
>> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>> >>
>> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>> > those things?
>>
>> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in this
>> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>
> I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
> Maybe that's why.

Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:20:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
> >> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
> >> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
> >> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HA!
> >> >>
> >> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
> >> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
> >> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
> >> >> emergency room. Ooops.
> >> >>
> >> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
> >> > those things?
> >>
> >> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in this
> >> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
> >
> > I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
> > Maybe that's why.
>
> Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.

Fortunately for me, I can eat garbanzo beans - but of all the beans
available, that one is my least favorite. I hate the texture of whole
garbanzo beans and avoid them like the plague. I think they're fine
ground up in hummus, but it's probably because I like the tahini.
Can't say I've ever eaten hummus in a restaurant (haven't seen it on a
menu either), but I always spice it up with a goodly amount of harissa
at home. In any case, it's probably another one of those menu items
(like nachos and guacamole) where they charge way too much for
something that's so easy to make at home (or buy) for pennies and I
wouldn't order it anyway.

--

sf

On 6/3/2015 6:59 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young

>> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>> emergency room. Ooops.
>>
> My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
> those things?

Got me! Seems like it's a relatively common allergy, I've
heard other people say they can't eat them.

I love them, I'll eat them right out of a can. They were
known as chi chi's where I grew up (ceci beans). I'll leave
them out if I make bean salad for a crowd from now on, I don't
want to kill anyone inadvertently.

nancy

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 21:50:13 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

snip
>
>I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
>that ain't no hummus no more.

Chickpeas and garbanzo beans are the same thing.
Janet US

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:44:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > You posted here you had a 3.4 inch carpet tack imbedded in your foot and
> > the infection was so deep you had to keep your foot elevated for 6 weeks.
<snippage>
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"Roy" > wrote in message news:10b2f722-fda0-4b54-b92f-

> Return message saved as "Classic Bove". Maybe basis for a movie.
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I think " Newsgroup Stalkers" works better.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:35:18 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> Pasta is around 78 grams of carbs "per cup" A cup aint a lot unless you
>> are
>> Tinkerbell. So a decent portion is 150 grams of carbs. That is almost
>> the
>> equivalent of a large pizza.
>>
>> Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does
>> that?
>
> The people who aren't stupid.


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> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:44:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > You posted here you had a 3.4 inch carpet tack imbedded in your foot
>> > and
>> > the infection was so deep you had to keep your foot elevated for 6
>> > weeks.
> <snippage>
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>"Nancy Young" wrote in message
...
>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>to make him something to cheer him up.
>
>nancy

So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics eat
oranges or not??

-Kody

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
>> I also do not have advanced neuropathy, whatever that is.
>> I have moderate neuropathy.
>
> I don't have the pleasure of reading many Julie-posts lately, but THIS
> one... THIS ONE, really takes the cake.
>
> Every time I see somebody interacting with Julie I want to barf on
> both of them.


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"Jeßus" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 15:26:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> wrote in message
...
>>On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:11:55 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>> >
>>> > He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>>> > the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>>> > Think: low carb.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
>>> diabetics,
>>> sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or lactose -
>>> it's
>>> all sugar.
>>> ---
>>
>>No, fruit juice is bad and is very high in sugar. An average sized orange
>>or apple contains approx. 50 calories plus you also get the fibre etc.
>>So,
>>whole fresh fruit is OK providing you don't overdo it. The one caveat is
>>grapes which are absolutely loaded with sugar.
>
> Of course, what is missing from this discussion is the word
> *exercise*. I believe the lack of any accounts for a good part of the
> problems many people have with carbs and diabetes in general.
> I'll wager that vulnerable people would find their bodies are far more
> tolerant of sugars and carbs if they got a decent workout regularly.


The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
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In article >, says...


> But the head podiatrist said
> they were wrong and he'd rather operate than amputate.
>
> I don't know where you got this gangrene nonsense from. There was never any
> threat of that.

Obviously there was, that's why the podiatrist referred (above) to the
risk of amputation.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Peripheral-
neuropathy/Pages/Complications.aspx

quote
"Gangrene

If you do develop a wound infection in one of your feet as a result of
peripheral neuropathy, there is a risk this could lead to gangrene
(death of part of the skin or underlying tissues).

If gangrene does develop, you may need surgery to remove the damaged
tissue (known as debridement) and antibiotics to treat any underlying
infection, and in severe cases your toe or foot may need to be
amputated."


Janet UK

On 6/3/2015 1:09 PM, Kody wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message
>> ...
>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>> to make him something to cheer him up.

> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> eat oranges or not??

I would think diabetes.org would know:

http://tinyurl.com/nurk3ye

or

http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...uperfoods.html

nancy

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 5:35:22 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does that?

Me (and I'm not diabetic). Two ounces is the upper limit of the amount
of pasta that I care to eat at a meal.

Generally if I have pasta, I'll start the meal with a tossed salad that is
larger than a restaurant side salad, but smaller than if it was going to be a
full meal. An ounce or two of pasta (weight before cooking), sauce, and maybe
a little bit of Italian sausage. I'm full.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 5:35:22 PM UTC-4, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Yes, if you eat two ounces you're probably OK spikewise. But who does that?
>
> Me (and I'm not diabetic). Two ounces is the upper limit of the amount
> of pasta that I care to eat at a meal.
>
> Generally if I have pasta, I'll start the meal with a tossed salad that is
> larger than a restaurant side salad, but smaller than if it was going to be a
> full meal. An ounce or two of pasta (weight before cooking), sauce, and maybe
> a little bit of Italian sausage. I'm full.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm sicker
than a dog.
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"Kody" > wrote in message
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> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> ...
>>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>>nancy
>
> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> eat oranges or not??
>
> -Kody

Strawberries, Raspberries, or Blueberries are a better choice for most
people, though oranges might not spike some since all are different. The
only way to really tell is to eat an orange and test your blood at 1 hour
and then again at 2 hours.

Cheri

jinx the minx wrote:
>
> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm sicker
> than a dog.

Julie, is that you?
Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.

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> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> ...
>>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>>nancy
>
> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> eat oranges or not??
>
> -Kody
>
>Strawberries, Raspberries, or Blueberries are a better choice for most
>people, though oranges might not spike some since all are different. The
>only way to really tell is to eat an orange and test your blood at 1 hour
>and then again at 2 hours.
>
>Cheri

True...good advice.
-Kody

Gary > wrote:
> jinx the minx wrote:
>>
>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm sicker
>> than a dog.
>
> Julie, is that you?
> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.

Why bother eating more?? A taste is good enough for me, I don't need to go
hog wild. There are healthier choices.
--
jinx the minx

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jinx the minx wrote:
>>
>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm
>> sicker
>> than a dog.
>
> Julie, is that you?
> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.

True. In Italy pasa is served as a main course, not a side dish. Pasta is
the dish, the sauces are just for some flavor.



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"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Roy" > wrote in message news:10b2f722-fda0-4b54-b92f-
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>> Return message saved as "Classic Bove". Maybe basis for a movie.
>> ======
>
> I think " Newsgroup Stalkers" works better.


Me too! And I hope that none of these people ever get called to testify in
court because they get so much stuff wrong!

"Kody" > wrote in message
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> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message
> ...
>>My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>>nancy
>
> So...I never saw a clear consensus here, should somebody with diabetics
> eat oranges or not??

That's because every body is different. There is no one diet that we all
eat. That's one reason why we have meters. We can test and see if a food
works for us or not. But as a general rule, fruits like oranges and bananas
will cause a spike so usually not good.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 15:26:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:11:55 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>>> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>>> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>>> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>> >
>>>> > He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>>>> > the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>>>> > Think: low carb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
>>>> diabetics,
>>>> sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or lactose -
>>>> it's
>>>> all sugar.
>>>> ---
>>>
>>>No, fruit juice is bad and is very high in sugar. An average sized
>>>orange
>>>or apple contains approx. 50 calories plus you also get the fibre etc.
>>>So,
>>>whole fresh fruit is OK providing you don't overdo it. The one caveat is
>>>grapes which are absolutely loaded with sugar.
>>
>> Of course, what is missing from this discussion is the word
>> *exercise*. I believe the lack of any accounts for a good part of the
>> problems many people have with carbs and diabetes in general.
>> I'll wager that vulnerable people would find their bodies are far more
>> tolerant of sugars and carbs if they got a decent workout regularly.
>
>
> The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
> get regular exercise.

It's not just now. When I was a kid, my mom's normal weight uncle who was
very active had type 2.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
>
>> But the head podiatrist said
>> they were wrong and he'd rather operate than amputate.
>>
>> I don't know where you got this gangrene nonsense from. There was never
>> any
>> threat of that.
>
> Obviously there was, that's why the podiatrist referred (above) to the
> risk of amputation.
>
> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Peripheral-
> neuropathy/Pages/Complications.aspx
>
> quote
> "Gangrene
>
> If you do develop a wound infection in one of your feet as a result of
> peripheral neuropathy, there is a risk this could lead to gangrene
> (death of part of the skin or underlying tissues).

And that is *not* what happened.
>
> If gangrene does develop, you may need surgery to remove the damaged
> tissue (known as debridement) and antibiotics to treat any underlying
> infection, and in severe cases your toe or foot may need to be
> amputated."

And that didn't happen either.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jinx the minx wrote:
>>
>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm
>> sicker
>> than a dog.
>
> Julie, is that you?
> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.

How much would that be in terms of cups?

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jinx the minx wrote:
>>>
>>> I also only eat 2 oz. or less of pasta. Any more than that and I'm
>>> sicker
>>> than a dog.
>>
>> Julie, is that you?
>> Only baby adults even bother with only 2 ounces of pasta.
>
> True. In Italy pasa is served as a main course, not a side dish. Pasta
> is the dish, the sauces are just for some flavor.

Wrong! It is served as a course, of which there are many.

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:11:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 15:26:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:11:55 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>>> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>>> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>>> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>> >
>>>> > He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>>>> > the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>>>> > Think: low carb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
>>>> diabetics,
>>>> sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or lactose -
>>>> it's
>>>> all sugar.
>>>> ---
>>>
>>>No, fruit juice is bad and is very high in sugar. An average sized orange
>>>or apple contains approx. 50 calories plus you also get the fibre etc.
>>>So,
>>>whole fresh fruit is OK providing you don't overdo it. The one caveat is
>>>grapes which are absolutely loaded with sugar.
>>
>> Of course, what is missing from this discussion is the word
>> *exercise*. I believe the lack of any accounts for a good part of the
>> problems many people have with carbs and diabetes in general.
>> I'll wager that vulnerable people would find their bodies are far more
>> tolerant of sugars and carbs if they got a decent workout regularly.
>
>
>The Type II epidemic is now even affecting people of normal weight who do
>get regular exercise.

I didn't mean to imply exercise is a panacea, but there's no doubt in
my mind that it would help many diabetics. People as you describe
must be eating very poor diets, not all people put on weight eating
that way as well of course.

Although not the same thing, I have a wheat intolerance but of course
still eat some wheat... usually I get away with it but sometimes it
will make me feel like crap. Through experience I have found that I
can either ride it out (which takes about a day) or go out and do some
hard physical work, which gets rid of the crap feeling within an hour
or two. The hard part is pushing through the 'crap' feeling to begin
with, but after that it does go away quickly.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:20:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>> >> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>> >> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > HA!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>> >> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>> >> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>> >> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>> >> >>
>> >> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>> >> > those things?
>> >>
>> >> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in
>> >> this
>> >> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>> >
>> > I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>> > Maybe that's why.
>>
>> Yes. But the restaurants almost always have the garbanzo bean kind.
>
> Fortunately for me, I can eat garbanzo beans - but of all the beans
> available, that one is my least favorite. I hate the texture of whole
> garbanzo beans and avoid them like the plague. I think they're fine
> ground up in hummus, but it's probably because I like the tahini.
> Can't say I've ever eaten hummus in a restaurant (haven't seen it on a
> menu either), but I always spice it up with a goodly amount of harissa
> at home. In any case, it's probably another one of those menu items
> (like nachos and guacamole) where they charge way too much for
> something that's so easy to make at home (or buy) for pennies and I
> wouldn't order it anyway.

Agree. They are good in a hummus but otherwise too hard to eat because they
roll around and you can't stab them with your fork. And they really haven't
got a lot of flavor.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 04:16:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 04:02:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 05:44:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 6/3/2015 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>> >> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:44:51 -0400, Nancy Young
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Don't you know we got there and Ron announced he forgot
>>> >> >> the oranges. Too bad, so sad. Guess my brother will live
>>> >> >> another day without those darned killer navels.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > HA!
>>> >>
>>> >> The funny part is that I made him killer three bean salad.
>>> >> He's one of those people with so many food issues I can't
>>> >> keep up. Turns out garbanzo beans would send him to the
>>> >> emergency room. Ooops.
>>> >>
>>> > My granddaughter can't eat garbanzo beans either. What is it with
>>> > those things?
>>>
>>> Me either. I can have all other beans. Bummer because at least in this
>>> area, many restaurants were putting hummus on the menu.
>>
>>I've seen recipes for hummus made with beans other than garbanzo.
>>Maybe that's why.
>
> I thought hummus was made with chickpeas. You can vary the bean, but
> that ain't no hummus no more.

Chickpeas are garbanzo beans. Also known as chechi (sp?) beans.