"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "sf" > wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>
>>
>> He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>> the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>> Think: low carb.
>
>
> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
> diabetics, sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or
> lactose - it's all sugar.

A dietician told me that it was good that I do not like fruit because
diabetics really shouldn't eat it. She said the only reason that they work
it into diabetic diets is that most people like it. She said that you can
pretty much get whatever nutrients that are in fruit in vegetables and
vegetables are better for you. I think one exception might be blueberries.
I do take those in pill form. I freaking hate blueberries.

On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote

>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>
>> So there you have it.
>
> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away from
> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love of
> pasta is what led to my diabetes.

I see that the process is called retrogradation.

Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.

nancy

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
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>>> Nancy Young > wrote in
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>>>
>>>>> Tiramisu is heavenly and uses very little sugar. I make it
>>>>> Marsalla wine and cognac.
>>>>
>>>> Ooo, I'd love to make that for myself.
>>>>
>>>> What I didn't mention was that he's also had a mini stroke
>>>> and I'm pretty sure I should avoid booze with his BP meds,
>>>> so I'm keeping it simple, but thanks very much for the idea.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that alcohol converts to sugar.
>>
>>
>> Not at all true. Sugar is a carbohydrate that changes to alcohol. Not
>> the other way around. Ethyl alcohol which is broken down in the human
>> body is first converted to acetaldehyde, and then this acetaldehyde is
>> converted into acetic acid radicals--also known as acetyl radicals. Not
>> sugar.
>
> In the body of a diabetic, alcohol acts as a fat. It sort of ties up the
> liver for a time and can cause the diabetic to have a hypo. Some
> diabetics can have alcohol, some can't. I can't.

It can act as a very rapid, short lived insulin opening the cells to glucose
which can lead to a low.



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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
>>>>> it to my sil.
>>>>
>>>> YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
>>>> KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>
>>> So there you have it.
>>
>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away from
>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love of
>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>
> Everyone is different Paul. I can eat white rice or pasta with no
> problems at all, provided that I don't eat too much of it. I can't eat
> *any* corn, barely or potatoes now. Even a speck causes spike city.
> Didn't used to be that way for me. She needs to go by what her brother
> *can* or *can't* eat. Or better still, give him something non-edible.

Pasta is white flour, eggs and a little water., It is primarily a highly
refined wheat flour. And it is in a form ready to dissolve in the gut
within seconds and be converted by enzymatic reaction to glucose.



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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
>>> the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
>>> Think: low carb.
>>
>>
>> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all
>> diabetics, sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or
>> lactose - it's all sugar.
>
> A dietician told me that it was good that I do not like fruit because
> diabetics really shouldn't eat it. She said the only reason that they
> work it into diabetic diets is that most people like it. She said that
> you can pretty much get whatever nutrients that are in fruit in vegetables
> and vegetables are better for you. I think one exception might be
> blueberries. I do take those in pill form. I freaking hate blueberries.

Of course you do.


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"Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
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> On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>
>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>
>>> So there you have it.
>>
>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away from
>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love of
>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>
> I see that the process is called retrogradation.
>
> Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
> is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
> react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
> I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
> to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.

That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for diabetics.
No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst the highest next
to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut within seconds of
intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they measure it carefully and
have insulin on hand to cover the spike. Don't get me wrong - losing pasta
was worse than losing my first love. I got over her.




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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> to make him something to cheer him up.

Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice

The reason they don't seem that sugary
is that they also have tart and acid
components, which mask the sweetness.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
>>>>>> it to my sil.
>>>>>
>>>>> YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
>>>>> KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>
>>>> So there you have it.
>>>
>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
>>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away
>>> from glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My
>>> love of pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>
>> Everyone is different Paul. I can eat white rice or pasta with no
>> problems at all, provided that I don't eat too much of it. I can't eat
>> *any* corn, barely or potatoes now. Even a speck causes spike city.
>> Didn't used to be that way for me. She needs to go by what her brother
>> *can* or *can't* eat. Or better still, give him something non-edible.
>
> Pasta is white flour, eggs and a little water., It is primarily a highly
> refined wheat flour. And it is in a form ready to dissolve in the gut
> within seconds and be converted by enzymatic reaction to glucose.

My pasta has no eggs. And I have gastroparesis. So the easier it is to
digest the food, the better for my blood sugar. I prefer the taste of whole
wheat but it sticks around in my stomach for longer and raises my blood
sugar. We are all different.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>>
>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>
>>>> So there you have it.
>>>
>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
>>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away
>>> from
>>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love
>>> of
>>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>
>> I see that the process is called retrogradation.
>>
>> Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
>> is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
>> react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
>> I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
>> to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.
>
> That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for diabetics.
> No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst the highest
> next to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut within seconds
> of intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they measure it carefully
> and have insulin on hand to cover the spike. Don't get me wrong - losing
> pasta was worse than losing my first love. I got over her.

Bull pucky! I can eat it with no problems. It's just too bad for me that
it isn't a favorite food as it does work quite nicely for me. I probably
eat it 2-3 times a month now, if that.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>
> Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>
> The reason they don't seem that sugary
> is that they also have tart and acid
> components, which mask the sweetness.

Yep. Orange juice is one of the first choices in treating a hypo.

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:48:48 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:26:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A homemade gelato would also be nice. Easy to controil the sugar - I
> >> never
> >> put any in I just let the fruit speak for itself.
> >
> > Do you glance at a recipe or fly by the seat of your pants?
>
> Brain freeze. I was thinking sorbet. So nice of you to catch that.
>
Thanks!

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sf

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:33:52 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

> He was also permitted oranges while he was
> in the hospital.
>
> If my sil tells me they are not allowed, I will take them back
> home with me after the party.

He can't go overboard, but whole fruit is best.

--

sf

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:49:38 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> The hospital will permit a person to eat anything.

Wrong.

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sf

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:51:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
> > My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> > him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> > oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> > to make him something to cheer him up.
> >
> > nancy
>
> This is always nice, but the oranges would be enough carb wise if he's type
> 2.
>
> Almond-Flour Pound Cake
>
> 1 C butter
> 1 C pourable Splenda
> 5 eggs
> 2 C almond flour
> 1 t baking powder
> 1 t lemon extract
> 1 t vanilla extract
>
> Cream butter and Splenda well. Add eggs one at a time, beating after each.
> Mix flour with baking powder and add to egg mixture a little at a time while
> beating. Add lemon and vanilla extracts. Pour into greased 9" cake pan and
> bake at 350 for 50-55 minutes

Thanks! I'll try the recipe sometime with real sugar (hubby will only
have a sliver). Thinking it will be something I can use my powdered
orange rinds in.

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:49:38 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> The hospital will permit a person to eat anything.
>
> Wrong.

sf, I was in the hospital twice last year. I was able to eat whatever I
wanted. At the second hospital, they had a totally different menu called
heart healthy. There wasn't much of anything I would eat on there. Not
even a hamburger. I was told to have someone bring food in for me.

Now the difference would be if one just had an operation and could only have
liquids or soft foods or whatever. That didn't apply to me. And one of the
hospitals that my dad was in did limit the amount of carbs that a diabetic
could have. They did allow him to eat food that was brought in though. So
that limit was only on what came from their kitchen. And that limit was
pretty high.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:36:58 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

> On 6/1/2015 6:44 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>
> > You should buy yourself a packet of pure sucralose. Splenda is very pricey,
> > and the carrier is pure carb.
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Sucralose-Powd.../dp/B006M0HNF2
>
> Interesting! I checked out the sugar free sweeteners at my
> local supermarket and there wasn't much of a choice.
>
> Thanks very much, I'll ask my sil if she'd like me to get that
> for her. She bakes and she's been working around his numerous
> food intolerances for years.
>
Big learning curve (600 times sweeter than sugar) and might not work
with baking.

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sf

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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
>>>>>>> it to my sil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
>>>>>> KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
>>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there you have it.
>>>>
>>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta
>>>> will spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme
>>>> away from glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar.
>>>> My love of pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>>
>>> Everyone is different Paul. I can eat white rice or pasta with no
>>> problems at all, provided that I don't eat too much of it. I can't eat
>>> *any* corn, barely or potatoes now. Even a speck causes spike city.
>>> Didn't used to be that way for me. She needs to go by what her brother
>>> *can* or *can't* eat. Or better still, give him something non-edible.
>>
>> Pasta is white flour, eggs and a little water., It is primarily a highly
>> refined wheat flour. And it is in a form ready to dissolve in the gut
>> within seconds and be converted by enzymatic reaction to glucose.
>
> My pasta has no eggs. And I have gastroparesis. So the easier it is to
> digest the food, the better for my blood sugar. I prefer the taste of
> whole wheat but it sticks around in my stomach for longer and raises my
> blood sugar. We are all different.

Yes, and your BG is 300.

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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>>>
>>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there you have it.
>>>>
>>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta
>>>> will
>>>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away
>>>> from
>>>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love
>>>> of
>>>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>>
>>> I see that the process is called retrogradation.
>>>
>>> Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
>>> is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
>>> react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
>>> I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
>>> to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.
>>
>> That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for
>> diabetics. No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst the
>> highest next to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut within
>> seconds of intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they measure it
>> carefully and have insulin on hand to cover the spike. Don't get me
>> wrong - losing pasta was worse than losing my first love. I got over
>> her.
>
> Bull pucky! I can eat it with no problems. It's just too bad for me that
> it isn't a favorite food as it does work quite nicely for me. I probably
> eat it 2-3 times a month now, if that.

The last thing you need is pasta, toots. You and your severely advanced
neuropathy which almost killed you. You are hardly a measure for ANYBODY to
consider. Miss blueberries are the grossest thing ever. Sheesh.

Idiot.

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:48:48 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:26:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> A homemade gelato would also be nice. Easy to controil the sugar - I
>> >> never
>> >> put any in I just let the fruit speak for itself.
>> >
>> > Do you glance at a recipe or fly by the seat of your pants?
>>
>> Brain freeze. I was thinking sorbet. So nice of you to catch that.
>>
> Thanks!

Now if only TJs sold sorbet.



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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:58:47 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:52:02 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>You really are a miserable person.
>>
>> And you're a pinhead whose looking to *murder* a diabetic.
>
> She hasn't been dishing out any advice here. Now she's a murderer
> just because she verbally slaps you?


Way to rise above it all, gasbag. You not only can't see your dick anymore
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>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
>>>>>>>> it to my sil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
>>>>>>> KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
>>>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there you have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta
>>>>> will spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme
>>>>> away from glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to
>>>>> sugar. My love of pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is different Paul. I can eat white rice or pasta with no
>>>> problems at all, provided that I don't eat too much of it. I can't eat
>>>> *any* corn, barely or potatoes now. Even a speck causes spike city.
>>>> Didn't used to be that way for me. She needs to go by what her brother
>>>> *can* or *can't* eat. Or better still, give him something non-edible.
>>>
>>> Pasta is white flour, eggs and a little water., It is primarily a
>>> highly refined wheat flour. And it is in a form ready to dissolve in
>>> the gut within seconds and be converted by enzymatic reaction to
>>> glucose.
>>
>> My pasta has no eggs. And I have gastroparesis. So the easier it is to
>> digest the food, the better for my blood sugar. I prefer the taste of
>> whole wheat but it sticks around in my stomach for longer and raises my
>> blood sugar. We are all different.
>
> Yes, and your BG is 300.

Uh, no. Lately I have been having a lot of hypos.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there you have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta
>>>>> will
>>>>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away
>>>>> from
>>>>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love
>>>>> of
>>>>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>>>
>>>> I see that the process is called retrogradation.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
>>>> is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
>>>> react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
>>>> I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
>>>> to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.
>>>
>>> That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for
>>> diabetics. No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst
>>> the highest next to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut
>>> within seconds of intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they
>>> measure it carefully and have insulin on hand to cover the spike. Don't
>>> get me wrong - losing pasta was worse than losing my first love. I got
>>> over her.
>>
>> Bull pucky! I can eat it with no problems. It's just too bad for me
>> that it isn't a favorite food as it does work quite nicely for me. I
>> probably eat it 2-3 times a month now, if that.
>
> The last thing you need is pasta, toots. You and your severely advanced
> neuropathy which almost killed you. You are hardly a measure for ANYBODY
> to consider. Miss blueberries are the grossest thing ever. Sheesh.

It almost killed me? How so? And newsflash!!!! It was the neuropathy that
led to my diagnosis.
>
> Idiot.

Stop talking to yourself.

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> "sf" > wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:48:48 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:26:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> A homemade gelato would also be nice. Easy to controil the sugar -
>>> >> I
>>> >> never
>>> >> put any in I just let the fruit speak for itself.
>>> >
>>> > Do you glance at a recipe or fly by the seat of your pants?
>>>
>>> Brain freeze. I was thinking sorbet. So nice of you to catch that.
>>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Now if only TJs sold sorbet.

They used to. Did they stop?

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:16:12 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>
>Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>
>The reason they don't seem that sugary
>is that they also have tart and acid
>components, which mask the sweetness.


Orange juice is not the same as orange as a fruit.

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:16:12 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
>>Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>>Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>>
>>The reason they don't seem that sugary
>>is that they also have tart and acid
>>components, which mask the sweetness.
>
>
> Orange juice is not the same as orange as a fruit.

It's true that juice of any fruit is not the same as the fruit itself. But
many diabetics find that berries are better for their blood sugar. I seem
to do okay with apples, pears and grapes as well.

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...

> . . I never consider food an appropriate personal gift for any
> occasion unless it's requested specifically...

I disagree. Someone who already has everything they need, can still
enjoy some special cheese, handmade chocolates, smoked salmon, their
favourite booze.


> Were I going to give a relative a gift I'd think a dozen pair of warm
> socks or a quality bath towel set makes a far classier gift

You think? LOL.


Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>
>> . . I never consider food an appropriate personal gift for any
>> occasion unless it's requested specifically...
>
> I disagree. Someone who already has everything they need, can still
> enjoy some special cheese, handmade chocolates, smoked salmon, their
> favourite booze.
>
>
>> Were I going to give a relative a gift I'd think a dozen pair of warm
>> socks or a quality bath towel set makes a far classier gift
>
> You think? LOL.

I don't like getting food gifts unless it is something I will specifically
eat. And yes, I have asked for cans of beans and gotten them!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:48:48 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:26:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> A homemade gelato would also be nice. Easy to controil the sugar -
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> never
>>>> >> put any in I just let the fruit speak for itself.
>>>> >
>>>> > Do you glance at a recipe or fly by the seat of your pants?
>>>>
>>>> Brain freeze. I was thinking sorbet. So nice of you to catch that.
>>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> Now if only TJs sold sorbet.
>
> They used to. Did they stop?

They stopped selling anything that tastes good.



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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
>>>>>>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
>>>>>>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
>>>>>>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
>>>>>>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there you have it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My
>>>>>> love of
>>>>>> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that the process is called retrogradation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
>>>>> is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
>>>>> react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
>>>>> I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
>>>>> to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.
>>>>
>>>> That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for
>>>> diabetics. No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst
>>>> the highest next to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut
>>>> within seconds of intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they
>>>> measure it carefully and have insulin on hand to cover the spike.
>>>> Don't get me wrong - losing pasta was worse than losing my first love.
>>>> I got over her.
>>>
>>> Bull pucky! I can eat it with no problems. It's just too bad for me
>>> that it isn't a favorite food as it does work quite nicely for me. I
>>> probably eat it 2-3 times a month now, if that.
>>
>> The last thing you need is pasta, toots. You and your severely advanced
>> neuropathy which almost killed you. You are hardly a measure for ANYBODY
>> to consider. Miss blueberries are the grossest thing ever. Sheesh.
>
> It almost killed me? How so? And newsflash!!!! It was the neuropathy
> that led to my diagnosis.

The sepsis? That is often fatal. Or at least requires amputation.




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On 6/2/2015 1:16 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>
> Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>
> The reason they don't seem that sugary
> is that they also have tart and acid
> components, which mask the sweetness.

Believe me, I know that oranges/fruit contain plenty of
sugar. I was quite surprised to find out it's on the
superfood list, not even just Okay in moderation. Yes,
I know it's not a license to eat 5 oranges a day, but
they aren't forbidden the way I assumed they'd be.

Berries are also on the superfood list. I assume you want
to figure these fruits in with the rest of the sugar you consume
in a day.

nancy

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 01:34:51 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:48:48 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:26:49 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A homemade gelato would also be nice. Easy to controil the sugar - I
> >> >> never
> >> >> put any in I just let the fruit speak for itself.
> >> >
> >> > Do you glance at a recipe or fly by the seat of your pants?
> >>
> >> Brain freeze. I was thinking sorbet. So nice of you to catch that.
> >>
> > Thanks!
>
> Now if only TJs sold sorbet.
>
Have you asked at customer service? TJ's isn't like Safeway. Safeway
stocks everything imaginable "if we don't have a shelf tag for it, we
can't get it from the warehouse" and TJ's only stocks what sells at
that particular store with hundreds more items they can order. That's
why you see people complain about suddenly not being able to buy a
favored item. It wasn't a good seller at their store and they didn't
ask if another store still carried it. The good thing about TJ's
(unlike Safeway) is they are able to tell you which store has it on
the shelf - they'll even call to confirm.

Whole Foods will tell you if an item is on their master list, but you
have to do your own calling around. Not sure why they don't have the
same system as TJ's, considering what they charge. We have a few
Molly Stones in this area too, but none are convenient so I don't shop
there and I'm not familiar with their customer service practices.

I don't know about you, but I realized yesterday that I prefer Trader
Joe's salad and vegetable selections over Safeway. I prefer their
salad mixes, I like the size of their bagged items and the two stores
I shop at most carry exactly the variety of vegetables that I like
with just enough different that I can experiment from time to time...
like Shishito peppers (which I bought but haven't cooked up) and kale
sprouts (which I haven't purchased yet).

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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 06:32:41 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:16:12 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>wrote:
>
>>Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
>>> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
>>> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
>>> to make him something to cheer him up.
>>
>>Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
>>
>>The reason they don't seem that sugary
>>is that they also have tart and acid
>>components, which mask the sweetness.
>
>
>Orange juice is not the same as orange as a fruit.

So what, most OJ is a blend, but either way they're fairly equal (and
high) in sugar content.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:10:38 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/2/2015 1:16 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
> >
> > Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
> >
> > The reason they don't seem that sugary
> > is that they also have tart and acid
> > components, which mask the sweetness.
>
> Believe me, I know that oranges/fruit contain plenty of
> sugar. I was quite surprised to find out it's on the
> superfood list, not even just Okay in moderation. Yes,
> I know it's not a license to eat 5 oranges a day, but
> they aren't forbidden the way I assumed they'd be.
>
> Berries are also on the superfood list. I assume you want
> to figure these fruits in with the rest of the sugar you consume
> in a day.
>

If there's no label where the information is printed, there are sites
that can tell you what a serving size is considered and how many carbs
it has. Size is important!

My blueberries this morning (about 1/2 cup)
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...-juices/1851/2
honeydew melon (about 1/3 cup)
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...-juices/1956/2
1 lg egg = .6 carbs, according to Google

and so on.


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On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:00:17 UTC+1, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
> >> it to my sil.
> >
> > YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
> > KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
> > https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
>
> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
>
> So there you have it.
>
> nancy

....and not just pasta. The same goes for rice, potatoes and bread. Although with bread it helps to freeze it first and defrost it of course. The re-heating of the pasta, rice or potatoes does not cause the molecular structure to change back. There was a big thing in the media about this a few months ago.

Cherry

On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:32:41 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/1/2015 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:13:13 -0400, Nancy Young
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks very much! I've bookmarked that and I'll be sending
> >>> it to my sil.
> >>
> >> YW! Tell her to look up "resistant starch". Does she know about
> >> KalynsKitchen.com? It's full of good ideas.
> >> https://www.pinterest.com/source/kalynskitchen.com/
> >
> > Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
> > I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
> > noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
> > become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
> > as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
> >
> > So there you have it.
>
> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away from
> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love of
> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
> ---

Nancy is absolutely right. Sorry, but your way of thinking is old, new things are being discovered all the time, update yourself. Oh, and rice is definitely worse that pasta.

Cherry

On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:11:55 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:26:45 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
> >>
> >
> > He loves oranges and whole fruit is best for a diabetic, so I'd peel
> > the orange, cut it into "wheels" and lightly sprinkle with cinnamon.
> > Think: low carb.
>
>
> Oranges are bad. They are very high in sugar. As they tell all diabetics,
> sugar is sugar, does not matter if it fructose, sucrose or lactose - it's
> all sugar.
> ---

No, fruit juice is bad and is very high in sugar. An average sized orange or apple contains approx. 50 calories plus you also get the fibre etc. So, whole fresh fruit is OK providing you don't overdo it. The one caveat is grapes which are absolutely loaded with sugar.

Cherry

On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:59:31 UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/1/2015 9:32 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >> "Nancy Young" <replyto@inemail> wrote
> >
> >>> Thanks again! Strictly coincidentally, I have a blurb
> >>> I clipped right here about pasta. It says that when
> >>> noodles cool, their molecular structure changes. They
> >>> become a resistant starch, which passes through the body
> >>> as fiber instead of being absorbed as sugar.
> >>>
> >>> So there you have it.
> >>
> >> Nancy, pardon my French - but that is absolute horse hockey. Pasta will
> >> spike your blood sugar worse than white rice. It is one enzyme away from
> >> glucose and is immediately converted in the stomach to sugar. My love of
> >> pasta is what led to my diabetes.
> >
> > I see that the process is called retrogradation.
> >
> > Another thing I've learned over the years, on this newsgroup,
> > is nothing is black and white when it comes to how people
> > react to foods, what works for one person doesn't for the next.
> > I'm sure not trying to convince you or anyone else. People have
> > to monitor their own blood sugar to see how foods affect them.
>
> That may be true for many foods but pasta is just plain bad for diabetics.
> No ifs ands or buts. It is a super glycemic carb, amongst the highest next
> to pure sugar. It is converted to glucose in the gut within seconds of
> intake. Diabetics can eat pasta so long as they measure it carefully and
> have insulin on hand to cover the spike. Don't get me wrong - losing pasta
> was worse than losing my first love. I got over her.
> ---

Pasta like everything else is only bad if you eat too much of it in one sitting.

Cherry

On Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:10:46 UTC+1, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/2/2015 1:16 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >> My brother's birthday is tomorrow and I'd like to bring
> >> him something. He can't have dairy. Any ideas? He loves
> >> oranges, so I'll pick up some nice ones for him but I'd like
> >> to make him something to cheer him up.
> >
> > Oranges contain a heckuva a lot of sugar.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice
> >
> > The reason they don't seem that sugary
> > is that they also have tart and acid
> > components, which mask the sweetness.
>
> Believe me, I know that oranges/fruit contain plenty of
> sugar. I was quite surprised to find out it's on the
> superfood list, not even just Okay in moderation. Yes,
> I know it's not a license to eat 5 oranges a day, but
> they aren't forbidden the way I assumed they'd be.
>
> Berries are also on the superfood list. I assume you want
> to figure these fruits in with the rest of the sugar you consume
> in a day.
>
> nancy

Well said, I agree entirely.

Cherry

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 06:11:24 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Now if only TJs sold sorbet.
> >
> > They used to. Did they stop?
>
> They stopped selling anything that tastes good.
>
>
I think you need to march yourself up to the customer service desk and
inquire. One of my FB friends just posted this
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2qkv478.jpg


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sf

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 09:16:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> Pasta like everything else is only bad if you eat too much of it in one sitting.

Best eaten as a side and not the main event.

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