On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 01:25:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/26/2015 12:34 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 25/04/2015 10:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:03:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have never been to Sweden. And neither has my Swedish friend.
>>>>
>>>> Another instance of 'when worlds collide'
>>>> They could make a sequel - Planet Bove V.S Earth.
>>>
>>> She was born in this country but is Swedish on both sides of the family.
>>
>> Then she's NOT Swedish!
>> Graham
>>
>
>Technically, she is of Swedish decent. However, the terminology Julie
>used is quite common. Many American born here will say they are Polish,
>Irish, whatever. Nits not picked.

It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.

For someone to be a certain nationality, they really need to at least
be BORN there... imagine if the rest of the world adopted that
practice, talk about chaos, LOL.

On 4/26/2015 2:30 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 01:25:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2015 12:34 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2015 10:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:03:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never been to Sweden. And neither has my Swedish friend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another instance of 'when worlds collide'
>>>>> They could make a sequel - Planet Bove V.S Earth.
>>>>
>>>> She was born in this country but is Swedish on both sides of the family.
>>>
>>> Then she's NOT Swedish!
>>> Graham
>>>
>>
>> Technically, she is of Swedish decent. However, the terminology Julie
>> used is quite common. Many American born here will say they are Polish,
>> Irish, whatever. Nits not picked.
>
> It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
> else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
> it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
> American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
> relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.

Goodness, a veiled race-bait.

> For someone to be a certain nationality, they really need to at least
> be BORN there... imagine if the rest of the world adopted that
> practice, talk about chaos, LOL.

You may not have much experience with ethnic communities in major
American cities then.

We tend to venerate foreign heritage despite being generations removed
from our initial immigrant ancestors.

It's a positive thing, not a debit.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 22:00:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:52:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> We're going to be going to Ikea! I have never been in one. I used to
>>>> want
>>>> to go but now that I can't eat the Swedish Meatballs, there is no real
>>>> desire to go on my part. But they are not near here and I can get a
>>>> ride so
>>>> I shall go.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think they have anything there that I can eat in their cafe but
>>>> I
>>>> will still go and look.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything else I should make a point of looking at? From what I
>>>> have read online, I will have to wend my way through the store to get to
>>>> what we are going there to buy, which is a desk. I would just get it
>>>> online
>>>> but I am not paying for it so...
>>>>
>>>> I know they have lingonberries but I am surrounded by those here anyway
>>>> so
>>>> no need to look for those. And given the poor quality of the kitchen
>>>> carts
>>>> that I bought a few years ago, I am leery of anything they sell. The
>>>> one
>>>> cart seemed fine at first. But something was wrong with the second one
>>>> and
>>>> the middle shelf/bin just wouldn't hold any weight. It would
>>>> immediately
>>>> slide down to the bottom. And now the other one is doing the same. I
>>>> actually cringed when I saw them being used in a kid's toy room on some
>>>> house show the other day. I was like... Noooooo!
>>>>
>>>> I can't really think of a thing that I need in the kitchen department
>>>> but
>>>> perhaps there are foods? Do they sell much in the way of foods? I am
>>>> mostly familiar with the furniture which for the most part I think of as
>>>> junk. Good looking but junk. We'll see how the desk holds up.
>>>
>>>this is some really fine work, Jules
>>
>> I reckon.
>>
>> She doesn't know of anything she needs at Ikea...
>> And doesnt like anything that she's had that was Ikea...
>> But she's hell-bent on spending some money there anyway.
>>
>> Didn't she say they were short of cash only a couple of weeks ago?
>
>Nope. I didn't spend a dime. And *we* are never short of cash. So I never
>said that. I might have said that *I* was short of cash. I never said
>*we*. I was not paying today from the git go which is pretty much the only
>reason that I went.

Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.

>That and I wanted to see the store. I did not plan on
>buying much.

You never even needed anything and were asking what Ikea sells.
You didn't even know what you wanted but were intending to spend money
anyway?? Sorry, I just don't get it.

>Total paid was something like $130 and the desk was $80 of
>that. I think the only thing I got out of it personally was the throw
>blanket and fake plant. The rest was for Angela.

You have a terrible attitude/outlook on things.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:05:09 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 4:56:54 PM UTC-7, Je�us wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:52:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> >> I can't really think of a thing that I need in the kitchen department but
>> >> perhaps there are foods? Do they sell much in the way of foods? I am
>> >> mostly familiar with the furniture which for the most part I think of as
>> >> junk. Good looking but junk. We'll see how the desk holds up.
>> >
>> >this is some really fine work, Jules
>>
>> I reckon.
>>
>> She doesn't know of anything she needs at Ikea...
>> And doesnt like anything that she's had that was Ikea...
>> But she's hell-bent on spending some money there anyway.
>
>I did want to like IKEA. I had read their story in some dull but regular
>magazine, like Readers' Digest. And I had seen them near LA,when we
>had no time to waste on big box retail.
>
>The stores are huge.
>They have cheap eats to keep you from leaving.

I went to an Ikea store in Brisbane around 15 years ago, I certainly
remember it being a huge store. They might have had an eatery there
back then - can't recall.

>I would rather just go to Crate and Barrel. I may not buy anything there,
>either, but it won't have taken me two hours.

I've had a couple of pieces of Ikea furniture - a sofa bed and TV
cabinet (I think). Quality was fairly ordinary IMO.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-24 19:52, wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:57:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> Well, I certainly wasnt thinking about *eating* at an Ikea. For me
>> they are primarily a furniture store... so it looks like they also
>> serve food now... even so, your comment was still - well - another
>> Julie Bove comment. Not sure why you would think you *have* to eat
>> their freakin' meatballs...
>> The last Ikea store I've seen was about 14 years ago.
>
>I have eaten there a number of times. The closest one is about 50 miles
>from home, but we have stopped there there for a quick meal on the way
>home from vacation. It ain't gourmet, but it is cheap and very edible.
>>
>> I don't like their crap and I have owned a few pieces of Ikea
>> furniture in my day, which quailty wise was poor.
>
>I have bought some decent stuff there... but as for the food.... it is
>cheap at regular prices. Their specials are even better.... fish and
>chips for $4.99, 10 meatballs with mashed potatoes and lingonberry
>sauce for $5.99, salmon and dill sauce for $5.99.. unlimited refills on
>drinks.
>
>They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that there
>is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.

Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*

On 4/26/2015 2:46 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 22:00:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:52:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> We're going to be going to Ikea! I have never been in one. I used to
>>>>> want
>>>>> to go but now that I can't eat the Swedish Meatballs, there is no real
>>>>> desire to go on my part. But they are not near here and I can get a
>>>>> ride so
>>>>> I shall go.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think they have anything there that I can eat in their cafe but
>>>>> I
>>>>> will still go and look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything else I should make a point of looking at? From what I
>>>>> have read online, I will have to wend my way through the store to get to
>>>>> what we are going there to buy, which is a desk. I would just get it
>>>>> online
>>>>> but I am not paying for it so...
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they have lingonberries but I am surrounded by those here anyway
>>>>> so
>>>>> no need to look for those. And given the poor quality of the kitchen
>>>>> carts
>>>>> that I bought a few years ago, I am leery of anything they sell. The
>>>>> one
>>>>> cart seemed fine at first. But something was wrong with the second one
>>>>> and
>>>>> the middle shelf/bin just wouldn't hold any weight. It would
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> slide down to the bottom. And now the other one is doing the same. I
>>>>> actually cringed when I saw them being used in a kid's toy room on some
>>>>> house show the other day. I was like... Noooooo!
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't really think of a thing that I need in the kitchen department
>>>>> but
>>>>> perhaps there are foods? Do they sell much in the way of foods? I am
>>>>> mostly familiar with the furniture which for the most part I think of as
>>>>> junk. Good looking but junk. We'll see how the desk holds up.
>>>>
>>>> this is some really fine work, Jules
>>>
>>> I reckon.
>>>
>>> She doesn't know of anything she needs at Ikea...
>>> And doesnt like anything that she's had that was Ikea...
>>> But she's hell-bent on spending some money there anyway.
>>>
>>> Didn't she say they were short of cash only a couple of weeks ago?
>>
>> Nope. I didn't spend a dime. And *we* are never short of cash. So I never
>> said that. I might have said that *I* was short of cash. I never said
>> *we*. I was not paying today from the git go which is pretty much the only
>> reason that I went.
>
> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.

Well at least they're not a bunch of rabbit killers...

;-)

>> That and I wanted to see the store. I did not plan on
>> buying much.
>
> You never even needed anything and were asking what Ikea sells.
> You didn't even know what you wanted but were intending to spend money
> anyway?? Sorry, I just don't get it.

It's a female/shopping thing.

>> Total paid was something like $130 and the desk was $80 of
>> that. I think the only thing I got out of it personally was the throw
>> blanket and fake plant. The rest was for Angela.
>
> You have a terrible attitude/outlook on things.

Oh please...

On 4/26/2015 2:52 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-24 19:52, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:57:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>> Well, I certainly wasnt thinking about *eating* at an Ikea. For me
>>> they are primarily a furniture store... so it looks like they also
>>> serve food now... even so, your comment was still - well - another
>>> Julie Bove comment. Not sure why you would think you *have* to eat
>>> their freakin' meatballs...
>>> The last Ikea store I've seen was about 14 years ago.
>>
>> I have eaten there a number of times. The closest one is about 50 miles
>>from home, but we have stopped there there for a quick meal on the way
>> home from vacation. It ain't gourmet, but it is cheap and very edible.
>>>
>>> I don't like their crap and I have owned a few pieces of Ikea
>>> furniture in my day, which quailty wise was poor.
>>
>> I have bought some decent stuff there... but as for the food.... it is
>> cheap at regular prices. Their specials are even better.... fish and
>> chips for $4.99, 10 meatballs with mashed potatoes and lingonberry
>> sauce for $5.99, salmon and dill sauce for $5.99.. unlimited refills on
>> drinks.
>>
>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that there
>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>
> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>

That is precisely the layout, and it's a maddening rat maze experience.

Not to my tastes for shopping either.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:39:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:57:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:28:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>We're going to be going to Ikea! I have never been in one. I used to
>>>>>want
>>>>>to go but now that I can't eat the Swedish Meatballs, there is no real
>>>>>desire to go on my part.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, that's perfectly understandable. Once I took a dislike to dim
>>>> sims... you can imagine the problems *that* caused when I had to go to
>>>> Chinatown.
>>>
>>>Uh... I have no clue what you mean by that.
>>
>> Well, I certainly wasnt thinking about *eating* at an Ikea. For me
>> they are primarily a furniture store... so it looks like they also
>> serve food now... even so, your comment was still - well - another
>> Julie Bove comment. Not sure why you would think you *have* to eat
>> their freakin' meatballs...
>> The last Ikea store I've seen was about 14 years ago.
>
>I think they have always served food. The first that I heard of them was
>about how very good the meatballs were. And that would be the only reason
>why I would physically go there. That's if I could eat them. My husband
>had them and some fish. It was all good and cheap! They do have a salad
>bar and I did try that. It was good but typical salad bar stuff.
>>
>> I don't like their crap and I have owned a few pieces of Ikea
>> furniture in my day, which quailty wise was poor.
>>
>>>I have always wanted to try
>>>the meatballs as I have heard that they are really good. But do to the
>>>ingredients in said meatballs, I can not eat them now. That would have
>>>been
>>>the only reason for me to go there. I can get much of what I might
>>>possibly
>>>want from them online.
>>
>> Of course, another way to waste money.
>
>Why would you say that?

Because IIRC, you never needed anything specifically and didn't even
know what sorts of things Ikea sells. You went there to *find* things
to buy? I dunno, I just don't shop that way. I don't make a very good
consumer, I guess.

On 4/26/2015 2:55 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:39:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:57:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:28:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're going to be going to Ikea! I have never been in one. I used to
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to go but now that I can't eat the Swedish Meatballs, there is no real
>>>>>> desire to go on my part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, that's perfectly understandable. Once I took a dislike to dim
>>>>> sims... you can imagine the problems *that* caused when I had to go to
>>>>> Chinatown.
>>>>
>>>> Uh... I have no clue what you mean by that.
>>>
>>> Well, I certainly wasnt thinking about *eating* at an Ikea. For me
>>> they are primarily a furniture store... so it looks like they also
>>> serve food now... even so, your comment was still - well - another
>>> Julie Bove comment. Not sure why you would think you *have* to eat
>>> their freakin' meatballs...
>>> The last Ikea store I've seen was about 14 years ago.
>>
>> I think they have always served food. The first that I heard of them was
>> about how very good the meatballs were. And that would be the only reason
>> why I would physically go there. That's if I could eat them. My husband
>> had them and some fish. It was all good and cheap! They do have a salad
>> bar and I did try that. It was good but typical salad bar stuff.
>>>
>>> I don't like their crap and I have owned a few pieces of Ikea
>>> furniture in my day, which quailty wise was poor.
>>>
>>>> I have always wanted to try
>>>> the meatballs as I have heard that they are really good. But do to the
>>>> ingredients in said meatballs, I can not eat them now. That would have
>>>> been
>>>> the only reason for me to go there. I can get much of what I might
>>>> possibly
>>>> want from them online.
>>>
>>> Of course, another way to waste money.
>>
>> Why would you say that?
>
> Because IIRC, you never needed anything specifically and didn't even
> know what sorts of things Ikea sells. You went there to *find* things
> to buy? I dunno, I just don't shop that way. I don't make a very good
> consumer, I guess.
>

Well, you'd make a _terrible_ woman, that's for sure!

;-)

On 2015-04-26 4:46 PM, wrote:

>
>> Nope. I didn't spend a dime. And *we* are never short of cash. So I never
>> said that. I might have said that *I* was short of cash. I never said
>> *we*. I was not paying today from the git go which is pretty much the only
>> reason that I went.
>
> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.

That is the understatement of the year.

>
>> Total paid was something like $130 and the desk was $80 of
>> that. I think the only thing I got out of it personally was the throw
>> blanket and fake plant. The rest was for Angela.
>
> You have a terrible attitude/outlook on things.
>


The fake plant seems sadly appropriate for Julie.

On 2015-04-26 4:49 PM, wrote:

>> I would rather just go to Crate and Barrel. I may not buy anything there,
>> either, but it won't have taken me two hours.
>
> I've had a couple of pieces of Ikea furniture - a sofa bed and TV
> cabinet (I think). Quality was fairly ordinary IMO.
>
I have a couple sets of CD shelving units, a couple bookcases, two
sets of wine racks and two TV stands from Ikea. The TV stands each hold
the TV, satellite dish, stereo receiver, VHS, DVD (or BlueRay) player
and more. They were easily assembled and pretty darned cheap.

On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:

>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that there
>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>
> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>


There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
things that are too appealing to turn down.

On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>
>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that there
>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>
>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>
>
>
> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>
>
They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC Escher....

http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html

I feel like this when I'm in one:

http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:42:19 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:

> > It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
> > else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
> > it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
> > American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
> > relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.
>
> Goodness, a veiled race-bait.

Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.

--

sf

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:38:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>
>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that there
>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>
>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>
>
>
>There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
>been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>things that are too appealing to turn down.

Naturally that's the whole idea. Probably no working clocks anywhere
to be seen either.

"W. Lohman" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>> there
>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>
>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>
>>
>>
>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>
>>
> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
> Escher....
>
> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>
> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>
> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/

I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors between
departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are required
because if there was a fire ...



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:30:42 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 4:46 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>>> Nope. I didn't spend a dime. And *we* are never short of cash. So I never
>>> said that. I might have said that *I* was short of cash. I never said
>>> *we*. I was not paying today from the git go which is pretty much the only
>>> reason that I went.
>>
>> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.
>
>That is the understatement of the year.

I hope Angela has the foresight to fly *well away* from the coop when
she gets the chance and gets a whole new outlook on life. There's no
need to exist in such a depressing and toxic environment like that.

>>> Total paid was something like $130 and the desk was $80 of
>>> that. I think the only thing I got out of it personally was the throw
>>> blanket and fake plant. The rest was for Angela.
>>
>> You have a terrible attitude/outlook on things.
>>
>
>
>The fake plant seems sadly appropriate for Julie.

Yeah. Yet another thing I would never, ever buy, let alone have in my
house.

On 4/26/2015 3:54 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:42:19 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>>> It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
>>> else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
>>> it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
>>> American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
>>> relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.
>>
>> Goodness, a veiled race-bait.
>
> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that.

I have at times noticed that.

> Americans are proud of
> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.

Not at all a good thing. Canadians don't tend to do that either.

On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>>> there
>>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>>
>>>
>> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
>> Escher....
>>
>> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>>
>> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>>
>> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/
>
> I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors
> between departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are
> required because if there was a fire ...
>
>
>
I bet they're painted blue!

On 2015-04-26 5:54 PM, sf wrote:

>
> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.

Are they? Many of anglo ancestry seem to want to disassociate themselves
from the nation that spawned an empire that spanned the globe. Then
there is about 10% of the population that are descendants of slaves who
seem to want to blame their current woes on the institution of slavery,
which went down the tubes 150 years ago... 6 generations.

On 2015-04-26 5:55 PM, wrote:

>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>
> Naturally that's the whole idea. Probably no working clocks anywhere
> to be seen either.



I can't remember the last time that I was in a store or a mall that had
a clock inside. Most of us wear a wris****ch here.

On 2015-04-26 5:59 PM, wrote:

>>>
>>> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.
>>
>> That is the understatement of the year.
>
> I hope Angela has the foresight to fly *well away* from the coop when
> she gets the chance and gets a whole new outlook on life. There's no
> need to exist in such a depressing and toxic environment like that.

I doubt that will happen. She was raised in a world that, dysfunctional
as it is, will be her normal.

"W. Lohman" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>>>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>>>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to
>>>> have
>>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
>>> Escher....
>>>
>>> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>>>
>>> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>>>
>>> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/
>>
>> I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors
>> between departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are
>> required because if there was a fire ...
>>
>>
>>
> I bet they're painted blue!

lol I can't remember


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 4/26/2015 4:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-26 5:54 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>
>> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
>> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
>
> Are they? Many of anglo ancestry seem to want to disassociate themselves
> from the nation that spawned an empire that spanned the globe.

You mean the 'white guilt" tribe?

Yeah well.

> Then there is about 10% of the population that are descendants of slaves who
> seem to want to blame their current woes on the institution of slavery,
> which went down the tubes 150 years ago... 6 generations.

Unsurprisingly that institution produced a multi-generational self
esteem deficit.

A sad but observable malady still being acted out.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:03:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 5:55 PM, wrote:
>
>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to have
>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a very
>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the outlined
>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>
>> Naturally that's the whole idea. Probably no working clocks anywhere
>> to be seen either.
>
>
>
>I can't remember the last time that I was in a store or a mall that had
>a clock inside. Most of us wear a wris****ch here.

I see clocks in some stores here but I couldn't really say what
percentage of them do.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:07:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 5:59 PM, wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.
>>>
>>> That is the understatement of the year.
>>
>> I hope Angela has the foresight to fly *well away* from the coop when
>> she gets the chance and gets a whole new outlook on life. There's no
>> need to exist in such a depressing and toxic environment like that.
>
>I doubt that will happen. She was raised in a world that, dysfunctional
>as it is, will be her normal.

On 2015-04-26 6:10 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:03:36 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>
>>> Naturally that's the whole idea. Probably no working clocks anywhere
>>> to be seen either.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't remember the last time that I was in a store or a mall that had
>> a clock inside. Most of us wear a wris****ch here.
>
> I see clocks in some stores here but I couldn't really say what
> percentage of them do.
>


The only stores where I see time displays are places where they sell
watches and clocks.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:54:49 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:

> On 4/26/2015 2:52 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
> > see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
> > one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
> >
>
> That is precisely the layout, and it's a maddening rat maze experience.
>
> Not to my tastes for shopping either.

IKEA? I like their spiral layout, it's marketing genius. Good news:
No one is forced to shop there. You could call it the anti-Walmart
because they aren't in the business of driving surrounding local
businesses out of business.

--

sf

On 4/26/2015 4:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-26 5:59 PM, wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Your family is truly dysfunctional. Wow.
>>>
>>> That is the understatement of the year.
>>
>> I hope Angela has the foresight to fly *well away* from the coop when
>> she gets the chance and gets a whole new outlook on life. There's no
>> need to exist in such a depressing and toxic environment like that.
>
> I doubt that will happen. She was raised in a world that, dysfunctional
> as it is, will be her normal.

Nice of you to credit here, sight unread, with no will nor mind of her own.

Project much?

On 4/26/2015 4:08 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit?
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to
>>>>> have
>>>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a
>>>>> very
>>>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the
>>>>> outlined
>>>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so many
>>>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
>>>> Escher....
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>>>>
>>>> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/
>>>
>>> I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors
>>> between departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are
>>> required because if there was a fire ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I bet they're painted blue!
>
> lol I can't remember
>
>

See!

Cleverly camouflaged...

;-)

On 2015-04-26 6:12 PM, sf wrote:

>> That is precisely the layout, and it's a maddening rat maze experience.
>>
>> Not to my tastes for shopping either.
>
> IKEA? I like their spiral layout, it's marketing genius. Good news:
> No one is forced to shop there. You could call it the anti-Walmart
> because they aren't in the business of driving surrounding local
> businesses out of business.
>


My biggest problems with Ikea is that I always have to park so far away
from the doors, that I have so much trouble resist grabbing a whole
bunch of extra things I had not realized that I needed and that the
lines at the checkout counters are so long.

On 4/26/2015 4:12 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:54:49 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2015 2:52 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you have to
>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit? That's
>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>
>>
>> That is precisely the layout, and it's a maddening rat maze experience.
>>
>> Not to my tastes for shopping either.
>
> IKEA?

Yep.

> I like their spiral layout, it's marketing genius.

I'll give it that, but to me it's a time-waster.

> Good news:No one is forced to shop there.

Indeed.

> You could call it the anti-Walmart
> because they aren't in the business of driving surrounding local
> businesses out of business.

You could read this report and ponder if they really do that as much as
alleged:

https://www.minneapolisfed.org/publi...al-communities

Wal-Mart is widely believed to destroy local firms and jobs and to have
a dampening effect on wages. But fedgazette findings suggest the
opposite: Firm growth, employment and total earnings were somewhat
stronger in Wal-Mart counties and, in some cases, even in the retail
sector.

In sum, fedgazette findings suggest that Wal-Mart has a slightly
positive effect on counties where the retailer decides to set up shop.
But the effects are small; one could call the results mostly a wash. As
a result, maybe the most concrete—and surprising—conclusion is that
Wal-Mart's presence (or lack thereof) has little or no predictive power
regarding the economic success or failure of a county.

Wal-Mart is often accused of trampling the local business sector. But
data on county establishments don't support such a notion, at least not
in the Ninth District. The most obvious place to look is at general
merchandise establishments in a county (a business classification that
includes Wal-Mart). Much higher levels of business closures might be
expected to show up in Wal-Mart counties, but the data don't bear that out.

"W. Lohman" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/26/2015 4:08 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit?
>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>>>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>>>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the
>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
>>>>> Escher....
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors
>>>> between departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are
>>>> required because if there was a fire ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I bet they're painted blue!
>>
>> lol I can't remember
>>
>>
>
> See!
>
> Cleverly camouflaged...
>

My husband always finds his way through because he dislikes following the
trail


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:02:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-26 5:54 PM, sf wrote:
>> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
>> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
>
>Are they?

Why even dignify that stupidity with a response?

>Many of anglo ancestry seem to want to disassociate themselves
>from the nation that spawned an empire that spanned the globe. Then
>there is about 10% of the population that are descendants of slaves who
>seem to want to blame their current woes on the institution of slavery,
>which went down the tubes 150 years ago... 6 generations.

Indeed. At what point do you cease with playing the racist/guilt card?
It's just part of human nature to exploit or abuse political
correctness (for want of a better term) and sadly a vocal minority do
exactly that. And the naive suck it up like candy. Objectivity has no
place in this topic

Almost every race or culture is guilty of displacing another culture
at some point in their history anyway. But let's just keep it highly
selective who we demonise...

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:00:10 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:

> On 4/26/2015 3:54 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:42:19 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
> >
> >>> It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
> >>> else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
> >>> it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
> >>> American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
> >>> relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.
> >>
> >> Goodness, a veiled race-bait.
> >
> > Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that.
>
> I have at times noticed that.
>
> > Americans are proud of
> > their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
>
> Not at all a good thing. Canadians don't tend to do that either.
>
We're really just one big country. Too bad Benedict Arnold's
expedition to Quebec didn't work as planned.

--

sf

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:09:16 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:

> On 4/26/2015 4:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2015-04-26 5:54 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
> >> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
> >
> > Are they? Many of anglo ancestry seem to want to disassociate themselves
> > from the nation that spawned an empire that spanned the globe.
>
> You mean the 'white guilt" tribe?
>
> Yeah well.
>
> > Then there is about 10% of the population that are descendants of slaves who
> > seem to want to blame their current woes on the institution of slavery,
> > which went down the tubes 150 years ago... 6 generations.
>
> Unsurprisingly that institution produced a multi-generational self
> esteem deficit.
>
> A sad but observable malady still being acted out.
>
Slavery is alive and well in the South and being expanded as other
states adopt "right to work".

--

sf

On 4/26/2015 4:20 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/26/2015 4:08 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 4/26/2015 3:55 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 4/26/2015 3:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-04-26 4:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They have decent selection on their menu, but it is unlikely that
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> is enough that the Bovines could all find something they liked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds okay for what it is. IIRC, the stores are set up so you
>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>> see everything and there's no 'short cuts' to the cashier/exit?
>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>> one reason I've only been to an Ikea store *once*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a bit of a problem in the way the stores are set up to lead
>>>>>>> your through the entire store. There are shortcuts, but you have to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> been through the store a couple times to figure them out. I have a
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> good sense of direction but I appreciate that it could be a serious
>>>>>>> problem for most people. I have to say that if you follow the
>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>> route you are likely to spend a lot of money because there are so
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> things that are too appealing to turn down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem to have studied the Ziggurat as well as the work of MC
>>>>>> Escher....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/ziggurats/home_set.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like this when I'm in one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mcescher.com/gallery/impo...ns/relativity/
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't speak for your Ikea stores but ours have connecting doors
>>>>> between departments if you know what to look for. I imagine they are
>>>>> required because if there was a fire ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I bet they're painted blue!
>>>
>>> lol I can't remember
>>>
>>>
>>
>> See!
>>
>> Cleverly camouflaged...
>>
>
> My husband always finds his way through because he dislikes following
> the trail
>
>
I'd use him as my pathfinder then!

On 4/26/2015 4:25 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:00:10 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2015 3:54 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:42:19 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's an odd kind of practice though that makes little sense anywhere
>>>>> else that I am aware of. I've also noticed that Americans (Julie does
>>>>> it a lot actually) will often mention that somebody is an 'African
>>>>> American' or 'Asian American', even though race or authenticity has no
>>>>> relevance in the context of the discussion at hand.
>>>>
>>>> Goodness, a veiled race-bait.
>>>
>>> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that.
>>
>> I have at times noticed that.
>>
>>> Americans are proud of
>>> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
>>
>> Not at all a good thing. Canadians don't tend to do that either.
>>
> We're really just one big country. Too bad Benedict Arnold's
> expedition to Quebec didn't work as planned.
>
Heh.

54 40 or fight!

On 4/26/2015 4:27 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:09:16 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2015 4:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-26 5:54 PM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Racist Brits and Aussies seem to do that. Americans are proud of
>>>> their roots, but they have divided their populations into us vs them.
>>>
>>> Are they? Many of anglo ancestry seem to want to disassociate themselves
>>> from the nation that spawned an empire that spanned the globe.
>>
>> You mean the 'white guilt" tribe?
>>
>> Yeah well.
>>
>>> Then there is about 10% of the population that are descendants of slaves who
>>> seem to want to blame their current woes on the institution of slavery,
>>> which went down the tubes 150 years ago... 6 generations.
>>
>> Unsurprisingly that institution produced a multi-generational self
>> esteem deficit.
>>
>> A sad but observable malady still being acted out.
>>
> Slavery is alive and well in the South and being expanded as other
> states adopt "right to work".
>
Nah, choice is _always_ present.

No one owns other folks.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-04-26 9:00 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 4/26/2015 12:34 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 25/04/2015 10:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:03:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have never been to Sweden. And neither has my Swedish friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another instance of 'when worlds collide'
>>>>>>> They could make a sequel - Planet Bove V.S Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was born in this country but is Swedish on both sides of the
>>>>>> family.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then she's NOT Swedish!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Technically, she is of Swedish decent. However, the terminology Julie
>>>> used is quite common. Many American born here will say they are
>>>> Polish,
>>>> Irish, whatever. Nits not picked.
>>>
>>> See? You knew what I meant. She ate a lot of Swedish meatballs when
>>> growing up
>>
>> You keep telling us you ate a lot of crap food while growing up; what
>> does that make you?
>>
> Full of shit? I can't argue with her there.

I have said here before, that we call ourselves Heinz 57. I just sent away
for a DNA kit so now I will know for sure. It is not the one that will tell
me which Native American tribe. Only if there is Native American. Once
that one comes down in price, if applicable I will send for it.