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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need more
protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4" and 154 pounds
should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on to say that most meats
have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have only 18 grams per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at breakfast I
have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in those things but I
would think not a lot. I've also had some cashews and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not eat any
eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little cooking since Angela
started on this diet. She has been eating canned refried beans (no fat),
canned kidney beans, hummus, some Italian soup made of white kidney beans
and tomatoes that is very expensive and comes in a jar (must find recipe for
that), tuna, cooked chicken, turkey, beef, beef jerky with no sugar, plenty
of veggies (mainly raw) and recently added in whole grains and fruits.
Tomorrow she will have two fruits and two grains per day and by the end of
the week it will be three of each.

Then perhaps I can start cooking some things that we both can eat. I
haven't done very well in restaurants either because we haven't dined out
much and we haven't been to places where I normally order meat.

I've mostly been eating bean tacos and hummus with flat bread.



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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need more
protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4" and 154
pounds should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on to say that
most meats have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have only 18 grams
per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at
breakfast I have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in
those things but I would think not a lot. I've also had some cashews
and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not eat
any eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little cooking
since Angela started on this diet. She has been eating canned refried
beans (no fat), canned kidney beans, hummus, some Italian soup made of
white kidney beans and tomatoes that is very expensive and comes in a
jar (must find recipe for that), tuna, cooked chicken, turkey, beef,
beef jerky with no sugar, plenty of veggies (mainly raw) and recently
added in whole grains and fruits. Tomorrow she will have two fruits
and two grains per day and by the end of the week it will be three of
each.


That sounds really carby for someone with high insulin problems.
Jazzy started putting on a bit of weight around the thighs recently. As
it was almost time for her annual blood tests (thyroid mainly) I asked
for a type 2 bloodwork as well. That came back normal in all respects
but thyroid was just out of range for hypothyroidism. Getting tested
again in July, then work from there. In the meantime I thought it
wouldn't hurt to change her diet a bit and get rid of the weight before
it became a problem. She is basically eating mostly animal protein and
veggies, little starch, no fruit as she has gone off them anyway. She
has lost the 3.5 kg already so I have let up a bit on the diet. Now
working on getting her moving a bit as she has started to not want to do
anything in recent months (another reason why I brought forward the
thyroid testing). I spoke to her teacher, this year she has been taken
everywhere by bus to local area activities along with wheelchair bound
kids. I requested that she walk to the activities like she did with her
last teacher last year. Her teacher was taking the easy way out because
he read on her profile that she is a "runner". I told him it was nothing
that holding her hand couldn't prevent



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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need more
protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4" and 154
pounds should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on to say that
most meats have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have only 18 grams per
serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at breakfast
I have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in those things
but I would think not a lot. I've also had some cashews and soaked
walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not eat any
eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little cooking since
Angela started on this diet. She has been eating canned refried beans
(no fat), canned kidney beans, hummus, some Italian soup made of white
kidney beans and tomatoes that is very expensive and comes in a jar (must
find recipe for that), tuna, cooked chicken, turkey, beef, beef jerky
with no sugar, plenty of veggies (mainly raw) and recently added in whole
grains and fruits. Tomorrow she will have two fruits and two grains per
day and by the end of the week it will be three of each.


That sounds really carby for someone with high insulin problems.
Jazzy started putting on a bit of weight around the thighs recently. As it
was almost time for her annual blood tests (thyroid mainly) I asked for a
type 2 bloodwork as well. That came back normal in all respects but
thyroid was just out of range for hypothyroidism. Getting tested again in
July, then work from there. In the meantime I thought it wouldn't hurt to
change her diet a bit and get rid of the weight before it became a
problem. She is basically eating mostly animal protein and veggies, little
starch, no fruit as she has gone off them anyway. She has lost the 3.5 kg
already so I have let up a bit on the diet. Now working on getting her
moving a bit as she has started to not want to do anything in recent
months (another reason why I brought forward the thyroid testing). I spoke
to her teacher, this year she has been taken everywhere by bus to local
area activities along with wheelchair bound kids. I requested that she
walk to the activities like she did with her last teacher last year. Her
teacher was taking the easy way out because he read on her profile that
she is a "runner". I told him it was nothing that holding her hand
couldn't prevent


That seems to be the amount of carbs that I need. If I eat any less my BG
goes up waaaay too high. Like into the 300's. Low carbing simply does not
work for me. My BG is back down now. Thankfully no hypos yet but much more
in the normal range.


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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need
more protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4"
and 154 pounds should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on
to say that most meats have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have
only 18 grams per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at
breakfast I have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in
those things but I would think not a lot. I've also had some
cashews and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not
eat any eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little
cooking since Angela started on this diet. She has been eating
canned refried beans (no fat), canned kidney beans, hummus, some
Italian soup made of white kidney beans and tomatoes that is very
expensive and comes in a jar (must find recipe for that), tuna,
cooked chicken, turkey, beef, beef jerky with no sugar, plenty of
veggies (mainly raw) and recently added in whole grains and fruits.
Tomorrow she will have two fruits and two grains per day and by the
end of the week it will be three of each.


That sounds really carby for someone with high insulin problems.
Jazzy started putting on a bit of weight around the thighs recently.
As it was almost time for her annual blood tests (thyroid mainly) I
asked for a type 2 bloodwork as well. That came back normal in all
respects but thyroid was just out of range for hypothyroidism.
Getting tested again in July, then work from there. In the meantime I
thought it wouldn't hurt to change her diet a bit and get rid of the
weight before it became a problem. She is basically eating mostly
animal protein and veggies, little starch, no fruit as she has gone
off them anyway. She has lost the 3.5 kg already so I have let up a
bit on the diet. Now working on getting her moving a bit as she has
started to not want to do anything in recent months (another reason
why I brought forward the thyroid testing). I spoke to her teacher,
this year she has been taken everywhere by bus to local area
activities along with wheelchair bound kids. I requested that she
walk to the activities like she did with her last teacher last year.
Her teacher was taking the easy way out because he read on her
profile that she is a "runner". I told him it was nothing that
holding her hand couldn't prevent


That seems to be the amount of carbs that I need. If I eat any less
my BG goes up waaaay too high. Like into the 300's. Low carbing
simply does not work for me. My BG is back down now. Thankfully no
hypos yet but much more in the normal range.


I meant Angela actually. I can't see how that diet could possibly reduce
her insulin. And she will be adding even more by the end of the week. It
would also be defeating the purpose of taking Metformin and a very good
reason why she was getting the diarrhoea.

I would be reducing the starches, fruit and beans and concentrating more
on the animal protein and other veggies. If the hyperinsulimenia isn't
treated properly then full blown type 2 could be just around the corner.
Who is prescribing this kind of diet?

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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need more
protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4" and 154
pounds should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on to say that
most meats have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have only 18 grams
per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at
breakfast I have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in
those things but I would think not a lot. I've also had some cashews
and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not eat
any eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little cooking
since Angela started on this diet. She has been eating canned refried
beans (no fat), canned kidney beans, hummus, some Italian soup made of
white kidney beans and tomatoes that is very expensive and comes in a
jar (must find recipe for that), tuna, cooked chicken, turkey, beef,
beef jerky with no sugar, plenty of veggies (mainly raw) and recently
added in whole grains and fruits. Tomorrow she will have two fruits and
two grains per day and by the end of the week it will be three of each.

That sounds really carby for someone with high insulin problems.
Jazzy started putting on a bit of weight around the thighs recently. As
it was almost time for her annual blood tests (thyroid mainly) I asked
for a type 2 bloodwork as well. That came back normal in all respects
but thyroid was just out of range for hypothyroidism. Getting tested
again in July, then work from there. In the meantime I thought it
wouldn't hurt to change her diet a bit and get rid of the weight before
it became a problem. She is basically eating mostly animal protein and
veggies, little starch, no fruit as she has gone off them anyway. She
has lost the 3.5 kg already so I have let up a bit on the diet. Now
working on getting her moving a bit as she has started to not want to do
anything in recent months (another reason why I brought forward the
thyroid testing). I spoke to her teacher, this year she has been taken
everywhere by bus to local area activities along with wheelchair bound
kids. I requested that she walk to the activities like she did with her
last teacher last year. Her teacher was taking the easy way out because
he read on her profile that she is a "runner". I told him it was nothing
that holding her hand couldn't prevent


That seems to be the amount of carbs that I need. If I eat any less my
BG goes up waaaay too high. Like into the 300's. Low carbing simply
does not work for me. My BG is back down now. Thankfully no hypos yet
but much more in the normal range.


I meant Angela actually. I can't see how that diet could possibly reduce
her insulin. And she will be adding even more by the end of the week. It
would also be defeating the purpose of taking Metformin and a very good
reason why she was getting the diarrhoea.


The diet isn't supposed to reduce her insulin. It's to make her lose
weight. AFAIK she has lost 10 pounds. Could be more. I don't think she
has weighed herself for a few days. Then if all works as it should, if she
gets her weight down, her insulin level will go down.

I would be reducing the starches, fruit and beans and concentrating more
on the animal protein and other veggies. If the hyperinsulimenia isn't
treated properly then full blown type 2 could be just around the corner.
Who is prescribing this kind of diet?


That is not a balanced diet and the book says no one should eat like that
more than two weeks at a time. It's the South Beach diet and it was
prescribed by her gastroenterologist. I don't think eating 3 servings of
fruit and 3 servings of whole grains per day is a lot of carbs.




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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need
more protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4"
and 154 pounds should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on
to say that most meats have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans
have only 18 grams per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at
breakfast I have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein
in those things but I would think not a lot. I've also had some
cashews and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not
eat any eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little
cooking since Angela started on this diet. She has been eating
canned refried beans (no fat), canned kidney beans, hummus, some
Italian soup made of white kidney beans and tomatoes that is very
expensive and comes in a jar (must find recipe for that), tuna,
cooked chicken, turkey, beef, beef jerky with no sugar, plenty of
veggies (mainly raw) and recently added in whole grains and
fruits. Tomorrow she will have two fruits and two grains per day
and by the end of the week it will be three of each.

That sounds really carby for someone with high insulin problems.
Jazzy started putting on a bit of weight around the thighs
recently. As it was almost time for her annual blood tests (thyroid
mainly) I asked for a type 2 bloodwork as well. That came back
normal in all respects but thyroid was just out of range for
hypothyroidism. Getting tested again in July, then work from there.
In the meantime I thought it wouldn't hurt to change her diet a bit
and get rid of the weight before it became a problem. She is
basically eating mostly animal protein and veggies, little starch,
no fruit as she has gone off them anyway. She has lost the 3.5 kg
already so I have let up a bit on the diet. Now working on getting
her moving a bit as she has started to not want to do anything in
recent months (another reason why I brought forward the thyroid
testing). I spoke to her teacher, this year she has been taken
everywhere by bus to local area activities along with wheelchair
bound kids. I requested that she walk to the activities like she
did with her last teacher last year. Her teacher was taking the
easy way out because he read on her profile that she is a "runner".
I told him it was nothing that holding her hand couldn't prevent

That seems to be the amount of carbs that I need. If I eat any less
my BG goes up waaaay too high. Like into the 300's. Low carbing
simply does not work for me. My BG is back down now. Thankfully no
hypos yet but much more in the normal range.


I meant Angela actually. I can't see how that diet could possibly
reduce her insulin. And she will be adding even more by the end of
the week. It would also be defeating the purpose of taking Metformin
and a very good reason why she was getting the diarrhoea.


The diet isn't supposed to reduce her insulin. It's to make her lose
weight. AFAIK she has lost 10 pounds. Could be more. I don't think
she has weighed herself for a few days. Then if all works as it
should, if she gets her weight down, her insulin level will go down.

I would be reducing the starches, fruit and beans and concentrating
more on the animal protein and other veggies. If the hyperinsulimenia
isn't treated properly then full blown type 2 could be just around
the corner. Who is prescribing this kind of diet?


That is not a balanced diet and the book says no one should eat like
that more than two weeks at a time. It's the South Beach diet and it
was prescribed by her gastroenterologist. I don't think eating 3
servings of fruit and 3 servings of whole grains per day is a lot of
carbs.


Coupled with beans it is and definitely is for someone with
hyperinsulinemia. South Beach diet isn't a good diet for type 2's or
people with hyperinsulinemia, insulin resistance etc.
Its actually getting pretty close to te old ADA style dietary
recommendations.

I thought she had already lost a lot of weight (way more than 10
pounds?). While weight loss is a good way to reduce insulin, it
shouldn't be counteracted by a carby diet. When I lost my 45kg with
reduced calories AND reduced carb it improved the hyperinsulinemia but
didn't take it away altogether, that only happened when I reduced carbs
even further. My carb level was getting close to Atkins' induction for
that past few weeks. Not something I could have done for any great
length of time but it was necessary to do the job. IMO a weight loss
diet (lowered calories) AND a lowered carb diet are necessary (along
with some sort of regular exercise) to attack the problem. prevention of
diabetes and conditions like pcos is worth so much more than having to
treat it once it rears its head.

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Coupled with beans it is and definitely is for someone with
hyperinsulinemia. South Beach diet isn't a good diet for type 2's or
people with hyperinsulinemia, insulin resistance etc.
Its actually getting pretty close to te old ADA style dietary
recommendations.

I must disagree! That is not at all what the old ADA diet was. I know. I
was on it.

I don't know that it is not recommended for type 2's. In fact her Endo. is
fine with it. Simply doing a vague low carb diet didn't seem to help her in
any way shape or form. This diet only allows specific foods.

I thought she had already lost a lot of weight (way more than 10 pounds?).
While weight loss is a good way to reduce insulin, it shouldn't be
counteracted by a carby diet. When I lost my 45kg with reduced calories
AND reduced carb it improved the hyperinsulinemia but didn't take it away
altogether, that only happened when I reduced carbs even further. My carb
level was getting close to Atkins' induction for that past few weeks. Not
something I could have done for any great length of time but it was
necessary to do the job. IMO a weight loss diet (lowered calories) AND a
lowered carb diet are necessary (along with some sort of regular exercise)
to attack the problem. prevention of diabetes and conditions like pcos is
worth so much more than having to treat it once it rears its head.


She had lost some weight but then gained it all back and then some when she
failed to take her thyroid meds. She had been lying to me and telling me
that she took them. I noticed the weight gain then I kept asking her about
her pills knowing that they would need to be refilled. When she refused to
check to see how many pills were left, I was forced to. Only to find most
of the pills in the bottle. It did me no good to talk to her about it. The
Endo. told her she MUST take her pills and the gastroenterologist drummed it
into her that if she didn't take her pills and get some weight off, things
were going to be dire.

Lowered calories didn't work for her. Low carb also didn't work. Perhaps
because she is so active. She takes a total of 12 hours per week of dance
and exercise classes. That is not counting the exercise she does at home.
South Beach is not lowered calories. In fact they require you to eat three
meals and two snacks. You are not allowed to be hungry on this diet. But
they do limit the types of foods you can eat. Such as no fatty meats, no
white bread, white rice, potatoes, sweets, etc. Any carbs that are eaten
must be high fiber.


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I was reading a magazine yesterday and it said as we age we need more
protein to help protect our bones. Said a woman who is 5'4" and 154 pounds
should eat 77 grams of protein a day. Then went on to say that most meats
have 28 grams per 3 oz. serving. Beans have only 18 grams per serving.

I am screwed. I have maybe 2 servings of beans per day and at breakfast I
have flaxseeds and chia seeds. There is some protein in those things but I
would think not a lot. I've also had some cashews and soaked walnuts.

I am finding it very hard to get protein into my diet. I can not eat any
eggs, dairy, chicken or fish. I have done very little cooking since Angela
started on this diet. She has been eating canned refried beans (no fat),
canned kidney beans, hummus, some Italian soup made of white kidney beans
and tomatoes that is very expensive and comes in a jar (must find recipe for
that), tuna, cooked chicken, turkey, beef, beef jerky with no sugar, plenty
of veggies (mainly raw) and recently added in whole grains and fruits.
Tomorrow she will have two fruits and two grains per day and by the end of
the week it will be three of each.

Then perhaps I can start cooking some things that we both can eat. I
haven't done very well in restaurants either because we haven't dined out
much and we haven't been to places where I normally order meat.

I've mostly been eating bean tacos and hummus with flat bread.
If you take control on eating habits then this can keep you protect form unhealthy threads. Protein is the main base for over weight. I daily use only 1300 calories by changing my eating habits. I mostly use fresh fruits, raw and boiled vegetables. These are full of vitamins and minerals that help to keep body in better positions.
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