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Old 18-10-2003, 08:51 PM
Reg
 
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I need to do a Sacher Torte for an event next weekend and I'm
not all that happy with the recipe I've used in the past. Does
anyone have a favorite recipe they would like to share?

Thanks.

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Old 18-10-2003, 10:42 PM
H. W. Hans Kuntze
 
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Reg wrote:

I need to do a Sacher Torte for an event next weekend and I'm
not all that happy with the recipe I've used in the past. Does
anyone have a favorite recipe they would like to share?=20


Here is the Original and a Pro recipe:

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Titel: Die "Richtig" Echte SACHER
Kategorien: Backen, Schoko, Autriche
Menge: 1 Rezept

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D MASSE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
130 Gramm Butter
110 Gramm Staubzucker
Vanillezucker (1 El)
6 Dotter
130 Gramm Schokolade (am besten Couvert=FCre)
6 Eiklar
110 Gramm Kristallzucker
130 Gramm Mehl (halb glatt, halb griffig)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D GLASUR =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
110 Gramm Schlagobers
130 Gramm Couvert=FCre
20 Gramm Honig

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D QUELLE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Unbekannter Poster drm
-Erfasst *RK* 04.10.02 von
-H.W. Hans Kuntze, CMC

Die leicht erw=E4rmte Butter wird mit Staubzucker und Vanille schaumig
ger=FCht, dann gibt man nach und nach die 6 Eidotter dazu und r=FChrt
auch die vorgew=E4rmte Schokolade ein. Schnee von 6 Eiklar mit
Kristallzucker halbsteif schlagen, vorsichtig abwechselnd mit Mehl
unter die Masse heben. Die Masse wird in einem vorgew=E4rmten Backrohr
bei mittlerer Hitze (ca. 170 =B0) gebacken,d abei l=E4=DFt man die ersten=

12 - 15 Minuten die Backrohrt=FCr einen fingerbreiten Spalt offen,
damit die Masse sich heben und ganz leicht w=F6lben kann, aber sich
noch keine Kruste bildet. Dann backt man die Torte bei geschlossenem
Rohr eine Stunde lang aus. Ausk=FChlen lassen, eventuell mit einem
Reibeisen die trockenen R=E4nder abreiben somit wirkt sie dann viel
saftiger!! (TIPP von mir pers=F6nlich) Einmal auseinanderschneiden und
mit leicht erw=E4rmter Marillenmarmeldade bestreichen, zusammensetzen
und Rand bestreichen. Etwas antrocken lassen. Ich verwende folgende
Glasur:

110 g Schlagobers und 20 g Honig miteinander aufkochen lassen, 130 g
Couvert=FCre darin schmelzen (vorsichtig umr=FChren, damit keine
Bl=E4schen entstehen) und Torte damit glasieren, d.h. Torte auf ein
Gitter stellen, die Oberfl=E4che damit begie=DFen, schr=E4g halten, dass
Glasur =FCber den Rand rinnen kann.

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D REZKONV-Rezept - RezkonvSuite v0.96f

Titel: Sacher Torte
Kategorien: Bakery, Cake, USA
Menge: 10 Cakes

3 3/8 kg Eggwhites
1,8 kg Sugar; Meringue
2 1/4 kg Sugar
2 1/4 kg Butter; Whip
2,7 kg Couverture, Melted; Fold In
-Meringue
2 1/4 kg Eggyolks
2 1/4 kg Cake Flour; Triple Sifted

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D QUELLE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Hartmut W. Kuntze, CMC

Make Meringue.

Whip next 4 ingredients. Fold Together, alternately with flour.

Bake as usual for High Fat Cakes, depending on size of mould.

After cooling, split into 4 Layers and assemble with Apricoture.
Coat with melted Ganache, 1.5-1

Raspberry Jam can be used instead of Apricoture. Even the Sachers
are arguing this point. Everyone has the "Authentic" recipe. Fly as
you like.

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--=20
Sincerly,

C=3D=A6-)=A7 H. W. Hans Kuntze, CMC, S.g.K. (_o_)
http://www.cmcchef.com ,
"Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it Happened"
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/=20

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Old 19-10-2003, 07:10 AM
Jim Weller
 
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Default Sacher torte

Reg wrote:

I need to do a Sacher Torte for an event next weekend and I'm
not all that happy with the recipe I've used in the past. Does
anyone have a favorite recipe they would like to share?


Cheers

Jim in Yellowknife


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Old 19-10-2003, 07:11 AM
Jim Weller
 
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Reg wrote:

I need to do a Sacher Torte for an event next weekend and I'm
not all that happy with the recipe I've used in the past. Does
anyone have a favorite recipe they would like to share?


Here are three recipes. The second one is by a professional chef I know
and contains bread crumbs not flour which I believe is consistent with
the original creation by Sacher.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Sacher Torte
Categories: Cakes, Chocolate, Austrian
Yield: 6 Servings

MMMMM----------------------------CAKE---------------------------------
3/4 c Butter
2/3 c Caster sugar
5 Egg yolks
1/4 ts Almond essence
175 g Plain chocolate (6 oz)
1 1/2 c Ground hazelnut filberts
1/2 c Self-raising flour
2 tb Cocoa
6 Egg whites

MMMMM---------------------------ICING--------------------------------
4 tb Apricot jam
1/3 c Butter
175 g Plain chocolate (6 oz)
2 tb Apricot brandy (or subst.)

Preheat oven to 160C (325F). Grease a 9in spring form cake tin and
line the bottom with greaseproof paper.

Cream the butter then add 1/3c sugar slowly, beating in between
additions.

Add the egg yolks one at a time, beating in between. Melt the
chocolate and add it to the mixture along with the almond essence and
hazelnuts. Beat. Fold in the cocoa and flour.

Whisk the egg whites until stiff, then add 1/3c sugar slowly, whisking
in between additions. Stir about a quarter of this into the cake
mixture to lighten it, then *fold* in the remainder. Spoon this into
the cake tin.

Bake for 60 - 70 minutes, until the top is firm and the centre cooked
(test with a metal skewer). Cool and remove from tin.

Warm the apricot jam until it is semi liquid. Spread over the top and
sides of the cake. Allow to cool and set slightly. Melt the butter
and the chocolate for the icing and mix with the brandy, if used. Cool
until it reaches a consistency for icing, then ice the top and sides
of the cake.

This is an old Austrian recipe invented by restaurateur Frau Sacher.

MMMMM

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Sachertorte No. 1251 **
Categories: Chocolate, Tnt, Cakes, Austrian
Yield: 1 9"torte

6 oz SemiSweet Chocolate
1/2 c Sugar
1/2 c Butter
6 Egg Yolks
3/4 c Dry Bread Crumbs
1/4 c Blanched Almonds; ground
-- Very Fine
1/4 ts Salt
7 Egg Whites
1 c Apricot Jam
Chocolate Glaze

NOTE: great chocolate dessert recipe which most people never get to
try. A bit of work but well worth the effort.

Preheat the oven to 325 degrees. All ingredients must be at room
temperature (70 degreesF) before starting. Grate the semisweet
chocolate. Cream the sugar and butter thoroughly. Beat the eggs in,
one at a time, until the mixture is light and fluffy. Add the grated
chocolate, bread crumbs, almonds and salt. Beat the egg whites until
they are stiff but not dry. Fold in the egg whites. Bake in an
ungreased, removable rim (or springform) pan for 50 to 60 minutes.
Cool completely. Slice the torte horizontally through the middle to
form two layers. Spread the apricot jam between the layers. Cover the
cake with a generous coating of chocolate glaze. Serve with a great
gob of whipped cream on top of each portion.

From: Joel Ehrlich 08 Aug 95
FIDO National Cooking Echo

MMMMM

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Sacher Torte - C
Categories: Desserts, Cakes, Chocolate, Filling
Yield: 1 Torte

8 oz Semisweet chocolate; broken
-into pieces
1 tb Strong black coffee
1 c Butter
1 c Sugar
5 Eggs; separated
1 1/2 c Self-rising flour; sifted

MMMMM--------------------------FILLING-------------------------------
4 tb Apricot jam; sieved

MMMMM--------------------------FROSTING-------------------------------
6 oz Semisweet chocolate; broken
-into pieces
5 tb Strong black coffee
1 1/2 c Confectioners sugar; sifted

Grease and line a 9-inch cake pan. Melt the chocolate with the coffee
and allow to cool. Cream the butter and sugar until light and fluffy.
Beat in the egg yolks, one at a time, then the cooled chocolate. Fold
in the flour. Beat the egg whites until they form stiff peaks, then
fold gently into the mixture.

Turn the mixture into the prepared pan and bake in a cool oven, 300 F
degrees, for 1-1/2 hours. Leave to cool in the pan for 15 minutes,
then turn out on to a wire rack and leave to cool. When quite cold,
split the cake into two rounds.

To make the filling, warm the apricot jam gently. Spread one round of
the cake with most of the apricot jam, sandwich the rounds together,
then brush the remainder of the apricot jam all over the cake.

To make the frosting, melt the chocolate with the coffee. Remove from
the heat and beat in the confectioners sugar. Pour the frosting over
the cake, spreading it evenly with a spatula dipped in warm water.
Leave to set for at least 1 hour. Serve with whipped cream.

Chocolate, Jennie Reekie, 1984. Exeter Books.
Typos by Jeff Pruett.

MMMMM



Cheers

Jim in Yellowknife


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Old 19-10-2003, 05:56 PM
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(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Sat, 18
Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0700, during the rec.food.baking Community News
Flash "H. W. Hans Kuntze" reported:

2 1/4 kg Cake Flour; Triple Sifted


I was under the impression that a real Sacher Torte used no flour but
only finely ground nuts - probably almonds.

(But my Vienna born mother-in-law used to use ground hazelnuts, as
they're cheaper.)

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davida at jdc dot org dot il
~*~*~*~*~*~
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chocolate."
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Old 19-10-2003, 07:47 PM
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Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady wrote:

(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Sat, 18
Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0700, during the rec.food.baking Community News
Flash "H. W. Hans Kuntze" reported:

=20

2 1/4 kg Cake Flour; Triple Sifted
=20


I was under the impression that a real Sacher Torte used no flour but
only finely ground nuts - probably almonds.

(But my Vienna born mother-in-law used to use ground hazelnuts, as
they're cheaper.)

=20

Not according to the inventor which was created by Chef Franz Sacher at=20
the beginning of 1832.

Sachertorte =96 Sacher Torte is a famous Viennese cake, probably the most=
=20
famous chocolate cake of all-time. It consists of chocolate sponge cake=20
cut into three layers (not at the Hotel Sacher), between which apricot=20
jam (or raspberry jam at Demel) are thickly spread between the layers=20
and on the top and sides of the cake. The whole cake is then iced with a =

dark Ganache and served with a side dish of whipped cream.

History: Was created by Chef Franz Sacher at the beginning in 1832 for=20
Prince Clemens Lothar Wensel Metternich (1773-1859) of Austria.

The ones that use nuts are Linzertorte and Doboshtorte.

But they are totally different.

--=20
Sincerly,

C=3D=A6-)=A7 H. W. Hans Kuntze, CMC, S.g.K. (_o_)
http://www.cmcchef.com ,
"Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it Happened"
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/=20

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JMF
 
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Wait - this is so amazing I want to be sure I understood correctly: are you
saying that the Sacher Torte does NOT originate at the Hotel Sacher, but
rather originates from a chef named Franz Sacher who was completely
unconnected with the Hotel Sacher?

If so, then how did the Hotel Sacher managed to make everybody think it
originated there?

John



"H. W. Hans Kuntze" wrote in message
...
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady wrote:

(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Sat, 18
Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0700, during the rec.food.baking Community News
Flash "H. W. Hans Kuntze" reported:


Sachertorte Sacher Torte is a famous Viennese cake, probably the most
famous chocolate cake of all-time. It consists of chocolate sponge cake
cut into three layers (not at the Hotel Sacher), between which apricot
jam (or raspberry jam at Demel) are thickly spread between the layers
and on the top and sides of the cake. The whole cake is then iced with a
dark Ganache and served with a side dish of whipped cream.

History: Was created by Chef Franz Sacher at the beginning in 1832 for
Prince Clemens Lothar Wensel Metternich (1773-1859) of Austria.




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Old 20-10-2003, 05:53 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JMF wrote:

Wait - this is so amazing I want to be sure I understood correctly: are y=

ou
saying that the Sacher Torte does NOT originate at the Hotel Sacher, but
rather originates from a chef named Franz Sacher who was completely
unconnected with the Hotel Sacher?

If so, then how did the Hotel Sacher managed to make everybody think it
originated there?


I just did a quick google on Franz Sacher and found that he comes from a
family of Viennese hoteliers and restaurateurs. On a guess, the Hotel
Sacher is probably connected to the same family as Franz Sacher.

John



"H. W. Hans Kuntze" wrote in message
...
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady wrote:

(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Sat, 18
Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0700, during the rec.food.baking Community News
Flash "H. W. Hans Kuntze" reported:


Sachertorte =96 Sacher Torte is a famous Viennese cake, probably the most
famous chocolate cake of all-time. It consists of chocolate sponge cake
cut into three layers (not at the Hotel Sacher), between which apricot
jam (or raspberry jam at Demel) are thickly spread between the layers
and on the top and sides of the cake. The whole cake is then iced with a
dark Ganache and served with a side dish of whipped cream.

History: Was created by Chef Franz Sacher at the beginning in 1832 for
Prince Clemens Lothar Wensel Metternich (1773-1859) of Austria.






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