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"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> > In article et>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
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> snippage...
>
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> >> >
> >> > CHOOSE TO. No one has to do anything unless they've chosen to do it.
> >> =====================
> >> Very good, little boy. Now, if you choose to do one thing, buying cheap,
> >> clean, conveninet veggies that you know causes massive animal death and
> >> suffering, while claiming to to be doing all you can to reduce
> >> unnecessary
> >> death and suffering to animals, you are at the least, hypocritical, and
> >> most
> >> likely ignorant to boot. Choice is the whole point here. Vegans choose
> >> based only on the simple rule for their simple mind, 'eat no meat.'
> >> Despite
> >> the fact that they claim that animals are the primary goal.
> >
> > I'm not responsible for what others do. I don't control what they do.
> ====================
> Again, very good. However, you are responsible for the chopices you make.
> Making choices that you know causes the actions that you claim to want to
> avoid is hypocrisy, or in your case, justplain stupidity.

The key to the false sense of responsibility is the use of the word
"cause". I don't cause anyone to do anything. They cause themselves to
do it. I cause myself to type this response. I could attribute
responsibility for my current action of typing to you, however and
ultimately, it is my choice to respond. It is a nicer world though if I
don't have to accept responsibility for my choice to type and that I can
blame you for my actions. Likewise, it is a nicer world if I can blame
myself for your actions and experience a sense of power and control in
the world.

> > The second flaw in your reasoning, once again, is this silly notion that
> > one must do all to conform to a logical argument.
> ========================
> Logic is really tough for you, isn't it pansy-boy?

Logic indeed. Now where did you learn that I must do all to avoid
anything or to stop something that I perceive as "wrong". At its face,
this is impractical and illogical. If I think that A, B and C are wrong,
it is impossible for me to work against A, B, and C at the same time. If
I think murder, mugging and rape are all wrong then it is an
impossibility for me to do all, or to stop each of these three things. A
human is limited by the physical reality of the universe. Logic does not
conform to the physical requirements of the physical world. I cannot
physically be stopping a murder in one location, stopping mugging on a
downtown street and preventing the rape of another at another location.

> We covered this with
> > the example of sodomizing children. Since you and I have time to
> > exchange witticisms then, we are not doing all that is possible to
> > protect children, ergo we must think it okay for children to be
> > sodomized. That is the product of your reasoning, Rick.
> ======================
> Nope. You failed, yet again. But that's not surprising, is it fool? I;m
> not currently engaging in the action and claiming it to be bad. Vegans
> are. That's where the logic fails you fool.

I have established your hypocrisy though. You've stated the vegan must
act in all ways against what they believe is wrong. That you have a few
minutes to communicate with means that you must not think sodomizing
children is wrong. Or, have I misunderstood and you think sodomizing
children is right and therefore your "moral obligation" is non-existent.

Please answer, Rick. Is sodomizing children wrong? And have you done
everything conceivable to stop it?

> >> The
> >> > vegan CHOOSES to avoid killing animals which they accomplish.
> >> ======================
> >> And your proof of this delusion is, pansy-boy? I await your cites.
> >
> > Aw, another person who is going to google us to death. Cut and paste is
> > a poor substitute for a reasoned argument.
> ====================
> LOL You have neither, fool.

I feel like I'm in a re-run of the defunct A-Team.

> I offered to examine
> > statistics, each time being declined.
> ========================
> I thought so. You have nothing to back up your ignorant delusions. thanks
> for the admission, queer-boy.

Well, thank you for the free advertising.

> >> The grower
> >> > CHOOSES to kill animals such as birds, frogs, etc.
> >> =====================
> >> At the behest of the consumer fool. In this case, the vegan loon who
> >> has
> >> already made it a point of making grandious claims of not killing
> >> animals.
> >> The vegan *could* make choices that don't require the death and suffering
> >> of
> >> animals, but the ones here on usenet do not make those choices,. The
> >> vegan *could* choose a grower that chooses not to cause death and
> >> suffering,
> >> or become his own grower, but agaibn, the usenet vegan doesn't. He's too
> >> into looking for scapegoats to ease the guilty conscience they have.
> >> Afterall, as long as they can focus all their energy on what they think
> >> others are doing, they can conveninetly ignore their own bloody
> >> footprints.
> >
> > Behest? You do make me laugh. They are my minions after all. I control
> > all the food growers with a single thought. I want and they must
> > respond. They have no choice. They must kill. I control their arms and
> > their equipment. I AM ALL POWERFUL. I think of meat or throw down a few
> > dollars and suddenly growers the world over feel compelled to respond to
> > my needs. They are my pawns in this delicious game of control that I
> > exert over everyone.
> ==================
> lack of intelligent response, noted.

I made them do it. I made them kill. I made them kill collaterally. It's
all my doing. They are just my pawns. I am the MAN.

> >> >> Now would you like to
> >> >> > mention a few vegan farmers who are producing. Or will you continue
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > make generalizations out of desperation.
> >> >> ==================
> >> >> LOL It's you that has been free with the generalization, pansy-boy.
> >
> > Ah, the true mark of a coward. Will you threaten me with violence next?
> =======================
> I see your comprehension problem is still in effect, eh fool?

Oh, just kiss me. These attempts at foreplay are tiresome.