"Ron" > wrote
> "Dutch" > wrote:

>> > If people need to blame me for their actions, well, I'm a big boy and
>> > can handle that. The reality is, of course, that anyone who kills and
>> > relies on the "they made me do it argument" is just being juvenile and
>> > passing responsibility for their own actions.
>>
>> Who makes you place a demand for meat on the meat market?
>
> You do, Dutch.

Bad answer.

> I'm not responsible for my own actions under your
> theoretical constructs.

Nope, wrong again.

> Someone else _must_ be responsible for my
> demand.

Nope, it's you.

> How could I possibly be responsible for my own actions.

How could anyone else?

If the
> killer of animals isn't responsible for their actions

They are.

> then, how did I
> become responsible for my actions?

You always were.

>> > Until we can find a suitable treatment or cure for individuals who
>> > delight in take the lives of other animals and would likely inflict
>> > that
>> > aggression on humans, my CHOICE is to allow the behaviour to continue.
>> > As a matter of survival if it is the difference between a cow dying or
>> > some crazed person who delights in killing animals being lose in the
>> > community to fill their lust for blood and death -- the cow looses.
>>
>> Right, a process admittedly supported by you.
>
> Yup. Support it, hell, I'm willing to see government grants for former
> and potential killers to keep them away from others.

Nonsense

>
> Better the cow gets it, than the famer's wife, kid, or someone in a
> nearby town. Someone who has to kill that much is just plain mentally
> ill and needs help.

tripe