"Reynard" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar"
> wrote:
> >
> >Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
> >meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
> >last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
> >talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
> >therefore answer you.
>
> It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
> dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
> amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
> on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
> will mean you have reduced your littering, however
> much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
> numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
> same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
> of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
> to belittle and dismiss your efforts.

I see through him. He doesn't get basic concepts,
so there's no way of getting more complex in
conversation with him. One has to repeat things
that he should have already understood from
previous paragraphs/postings. Oh well.

Your comparison to littering is a good one. At
least YOU get the concept!



--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>"Reynard" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>> >
>> >Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>> >meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>> >last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>> >talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>> >therefore answer you.
>>
>> It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>> dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>> amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>> on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>> will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>> much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>> numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>> same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>> of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>> to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>
>I see through him.

We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
we get here on this forum. They're no better or worse
than drug pushers, in my opinion, because they push
their product onto non-users in the very same way with
the use of disinformation and lies about their product .
Should you or anyone resist what they push, they then
get nasty and sling insults at you for keeping the moral
high ground.

>He doesn't get basic concepts,
>so there's no way of getting more complex in
>conversation with him. One has to repeat things
>that he should have already understood from
>previous paragraphs/postings. Oh well.

You could go on repeating yourself if the pushers
don't take 'no' for an answer, but then that's just
word tennis and takes up all your valuable time
which you could be using to exchange ideas with
other vegetarians and vegans here. I'm guilty of
feeding the troll pushers myself though, so you'll
have to excuse my hypocrisy on this particular
point, if you will. ;-)

>Your comparison to littering is a good one.

Thanks.

> At least YOU get the concept!

I do, and so does 'usual suspect', but since becoming
a pusher he tries to forget his old quotes which belie
his current position.

"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long and
without serious health problems associated with an
animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

From those, 'usual suspect' clearly believed his vegan
lifestyle had "selfless consequences", namely, that "no
animal must die for [his] nourishment or enjoyment,
less pollution and less harm to the environment." He
tells a completely different story now he's a pusher
himself though.

Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>
>>"Retard" > wrote in message ...
>>
>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>
>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>
>>I see through him.
>
> We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
> become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
> we get here on this forum.

I've recommended that people consume products which cause the fewest
number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing fewer
animal deaths. You don't care either way. You know animals die in the
course of your rampant gluttony, and the only thing you've done is blame
farmers for your share of animal deaths. You're a buck-passing,
self-crippled, dole-scrounging cuckold.

> They're no better or worse
> than drug pushers, in my opinion,

So says the undisciplined, bluefooted pill-popper who just extolled the
virtues of taking X at raves.

> because they push
> their product onto non-users in the very same way with

What a terrible analogy, but not surprising given your certificate in
woodwork and background as a cowboy auto electrician. You're no
philosopher, Dreck.

> the use of disinformation and lies about their product .

Pot kettle black, and very rich given your buck-passing history with
respect to your gluttony and pill-popping.

> Should you or anyone resist what they push, they then
> get nasty and sling insults at you for keeping the moral
> high ground.

Very rich, same grounds as above.

<...>

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>"Reynard" > wrote in message ...
>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>
>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>
>>>I see through him.
>>
>> We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>> become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>> we get here on this forum.
>
>I've recommended that people consume products which

.... they don't want, pusher, and when they refuse your
demands that they take your product, you attack them
and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'

>> They're no better or worse
>> than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>
>So says the

.... clean vegetarian who doesn't accept your pushing
of unhealthy products onto him.

>> because they push
>> their product onto non-users in the very same way with
>
>What a terrible analogy

It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Retard" .****> wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>
>>>>I see through him.
>>>
>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>we get here on this forum.
>>
>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>
> ... they don't want,

They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing -- saving
animals though their consumption still kills them. They're content with
their hypocrisy.

> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'

They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

>>>They're no better or worse
>>>than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>>
>>So says the

Un
> clean

fat ****

> who doesn't

practice what he preaches.

>>>their product onto non-users in the very same way with
>>
>>What a terrible analogy
>
> It's a perfect

**** up.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote in message ...
>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>
>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>
>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>
>> ... they don't want,
>
>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing

They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

>> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>
>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

Spoken like the true user you are, trying to push your substances
onto clean targets by calling them hypocrites.

>>>>They're no better or worse
>>>>than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>>>
>>>So says the
>
>Un
>> clean
>
>fat ****
>
>> who doesn't
>
>practice what he preaches.
>
>>>>their product onto non-users in the very same way with
>>>
>>>What a terrible analogy
>>
>> It's a perfect
>
>**** up.

Oh how clever; you made a sentence out of four or more
other sentences.

<restore>
It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote in message ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>
>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>
>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>
>>>... they don't want,
>>
>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>
> They are

not

> doing exactly what they say they're doing:

They're NOT causing no (or even less) harm to animals.

<...>

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote in message ...
>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>
>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>
>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>
>> ... they don't want,
>
>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing

They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

>> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>
>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

Spoken like the true user you are, trying to push your substances
onto clean targets by calling them hypocrites.

>>>>They're no better or worse
>>>>than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>>>
>>>So says the
>
>Un
>> clean
>
>fat ****
>
>> who doesn't
>
>practice what he preaches.
>
>>>>their product onto non-users in the very same way with
>>>
>>>What a terrible analogy
>>
>> It's a perfect
>
>**** up.

Oh how clever; you made a sentence out of four or more
other sentences.

<restore>
It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...

> I've recommended that people consume products which cause the fewest
> number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing fewer
> animal deaths.
So, unlike the other propagandists making this claim, why don't YOU
present the results of several honest scientific studies that estimate the
total animal biomass lost per pound of protein produced per acre by various
agricultural systems counting from the virgin ecosystem?

Laurie

Larry Fruity wrote:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I've recommended that people consume products which cause the
fewest
> > number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing
fewer
> > animal deaths.
> So, unlike the other propagandists making this claim, why don't
YOU
> present the results of several honest scientific studies that
estimate the
> total animal biomass lost

Because "biomass" is meaningless.

You never answered my earlier question, Fruity: IF someone is
concerned with the loss of sentient life - and if you're going to play
in this sandbox, Fruity, you simply have to accept that that's an issue
for some people - then should he consider the deaths of 40 chimpanzees
with a total "biomass" of 1800 kg to be less bad than the death of one
hippopotamus of 2200 kg?

"biomass" is meaningless, Fruity. It's just you trying to perpetuate
your imposture of someone who knows real science. You do not know
science.

"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
ups.com...

> Because "biomass" is meaningless.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=biomass

Laurie

Larry Fruity wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> > Because "biomass" is meaningless.
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=biomass

Cute. Well, not really; just stupid and idiosyncratic.

You STILL haven't explained why someone concerned with sentient life
should be concerned with "biomass", Fruity. And you STILL are whiffing
off from answering the question: should a person who IS concerned with
sentient life - and you have to accept his concerns as legitimate -
consider the deaths of 40 chimpanzees with a total "biomass" of 1800 kg
to be less bad than the death of one hippopotamus of 2200 kg?
Stop dodging and answer the question, Fruity.

Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>
>>"Retard" > wrote in message ...
>>
>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>
>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>
>>I see through him.
>
> We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
> become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
> we get here on this forum.

I've recommended that people consume products which cause the fewest
number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing fewer
animal deaths. You don't care either way. You know animals die in the
course of your rampant gluttony, and the only thing you've done is blame
farmers for your share of animal deaths. You're a buck-passing,
self-crippled, dole-scrounging cuckold.

> They're no better or worse
> than drug pushers, in my opinion,

So says the undisciplined, bluefooted pill-popper who just extolled the
virtues of taking X at raves.

> because they push
> their product onto non-users in the very same way with

What a terrible analogy, but not surprising given your certificate in
woodwork and background as a cowboy auto electrician. You're no
philosopher, Dreck.

> the use of disinformation and lies about their product .

Pot kettle black, and very rich given your buck-passing history with
respect to your gluttony and pill-popping.

> Should you or anyone resist what they push, they then
> get nasty and sling insults at you for keeping the moral
> high ground.

Very rich, same grounds as above.

<...>

Scented Nectar wrote:
> "Retard" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar"
>
> > wrote:
>
>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>therefore answer you.
>>
>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>
> I see through him.

No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me, Rick,
Jay, Dutch, or anyone else. You're a true believer: you will not deviate
from the vegan religion.

> He doesn't get basic concepts,

I do get "basic concepts," which is why I don't walk the line promoting
a flawed belief system like veganism.

> so there's no way of getting more complex in
> conversation with him.

You can't even support your own claims with any evidence, much less
address the evidence I've brought up in our discussions.

> One has to repeat things

No, all you have to do is stop tap dancing and deal with facts rather
than making up "logic" -- which isn't logic at all -- and repeating it
over and over.

> that he should have already understood from
> previous paragraphs/postings. Oh well.

You've done NOTHING to support your claims, aside from repeating them.
That's called tautology. It's NOT proof, it demonstrates a lack of it.

> Your comparison to littering is a good one.

It was a pathetic one.

> At least YOU get the concept!

He doesn't get it, and neither do you, which is why you two fellow
travelers see eye to eye on the matter. It's funny that you're siding
with the biggest shit-stirrer in the history of these newsgroups, whose
background is in woodworking and auto electrics (don't get me started on
British electrical systems!), not in any academic background. Indeed,
he's openly demonstrated contempt for those with academic backgrounds:
You college types have no natural awareness of what's going on
around you, sometimes.
-- Dreck, Claire's uncle, http://tinyurl.com/54zxm

Birds of a feather...

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Scented Nectar wrote:
>> "Reynard" > wrote in message ...
>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>
>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>
>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>
>> I see through him.
>
>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me

Like this (below)
"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

haw haw haw.

Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>
>>>"Retard" .****> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>
>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>
>>>I see through him.
>>
>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>
>
> Like this (below)

Some of us learn from our mistakes; we take in new and convincing
information and adjust our positions accordingly. You just keep
repeating yours over and over, and hold a bitter grudge against those
who have open minds.
You college types have no natural awareness of what's going on
around you, sometimes.
-- Dreck, Claire's uncle, http://tinyurl.com/54zxm

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>
>>>>I see through him.
>>>
>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>
>> Like this (below)
>
>Some of us learn from our mistakes;

Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
up being pushers themselves. You're a weak-willed
nebbish, easily taken in by the lies and disinformation
spread by the pushers here who coerced you into
taking their substances.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>
>>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>>
>>>Like this (below)
>>
>>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
>
> Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
> up being pushers themselves.

That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
to solve.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:28:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
>>>>
>>>>Like this (below)
>>>
>>>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
>>
>> Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
>> up being pushers themselves.
>
>That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
>evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
>to solve.

Rather than lash out like a hurt child, call me silly
names and delete the evidence which proves you've
lied, explain how "learning from your own mistakes"
changed your tastes for certain foods.

In these quotes below you state that you dislike flesh,
so how does learning from your mistakes suddenly
change your tastes for food items? You also state
that you believe the consumption of meat, dairy and
eggs are bad for you, animals, your environment, and
the whole World, but you sing a different tune now
you've become a meat pusher, so how did learning
from mistakes do that, pusher?

<restore>
"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long
and without serious health problems associated with
an animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

Those quotes belie your current pusher's position, and
no amount of regret will ever undo the hypocrisy of it.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam

In article >,
usual suspect > wrote:

> Retard wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:30:29 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >>Retard wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:16 GMT, usual suspect >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Retard wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar"
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
> >>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
> >>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
> >>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
> >>>>>>>therefore answer you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
> >>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
> >>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
> >>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
> >>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
> >>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
> >>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
> >>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
> >>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
> >>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I see through him.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me
> >>>
> >>>Like this (below)
> >>
> >>Some of us learn from our mistakes;
> >
> > Or, rather, some get taken in by the pushers and end
> > up being pushers themselves.
>
> That's why you're still a closed-minded vegan, fatso, despite all the
> evidence that your "diet" contributes to the very problem it's supposed
> to solve.

How odd? It's usually meat eaters who are involved in the killing of
animals and collateral deaths associated with a vegan diet. Those of use
who eat meat are just plain bad.

Scented Nectar wrote:
> "Retard" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar"
>
> > wrote:
>
>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>therefore answer you.
>>
>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>
> I see through him.

No, you avoid dealing with facts whether they're presented by me, Rick,
Jay, Dutch, or anyone else. You're a true believer: you will not deviate
from the vegan religion.

> He doesn't get basic concepts,

I do get "basic concepts," which is why I don't walk the line promoting
a flawed belief system like veganism.

> so there's no way of getting more complex in
> conversation with him.

You can't even support your own claims with any evidence, much less
address the evidence I've brought up in our discussions.

> One has to repeat things

No, all you have to do is stop tap dancing and deal with facts rather
than making up "logic" -- which isn't logic at all -- and repeating it
over and over.

> that he should have already understood from
> previous paragraphs/postings. Oh well.

You've done NOTHING to support your claims, aside from repeating them.
That's called tautology. It's NOT proof, it demonstrates a lack of it.

> Your comparison to littering is a good one.

It was a pathetic one.

> At least YOU get the concept!

He doesn't get it, and neither do you, which is why you two fellow
travelers see eye to eye on the matter. It's funny that you're siding
with the biggest shit-stirrer in the history of these newsgroups, whose
background is in woodworking and auto electrics (don't get me started on
British electrical systems!), not in any academic background. Indeed,
he's openly demonstrated contempt for those with academic backgrounds:
You college types have no natural awareness of what's going on
around you, sometimes.
-- Dreck, Claire's uncle, http://tinyurl.com/54zxm

Birds of a feather...