Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>On organic farms you won't find the rodent killing
>>>>chemicals that turn their insides to mush.
>>>
>>>Oh, please tell me your source for this information. Here are a few
>>>details I can pass along to show otherwise:

STILL waiting for your source of information.

> The one's that turn their insides to mush are blood thinners.
> Coumarin and others. These are not organic. As for the
> other products you mentioned, I make my own organic
> bug spray and have never needed the following you
> mentioned.

You mean the following you snipped:

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Click on the links and learn something for a change, Little Miss Health
Researcher.

RESTORE AND ADD INFO FROM NEW THREAD
Organic pesticides cause cancer in rodents (and humans):
One of organic farming's most widely used
pesticides--pyrethrum--has been classified as a ``likely human
carcinogen.'' An advisory committee to the Environmental
Protection Agency made the classification two years ago, after
pyrethrum caused higher-than-normal numbers of tumors in two
different sets of laboratory rodents.
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articl...1/jun_8_01.htm

Organic pesticides induce Parkinson's Disease-like symptoms in rodents
(and humans):
Rotenone, a commonly used organic pesticide, has attracted a lot
of attention in Dr. Greenamyre's lab. In past studies, Dr.
Greenamyre and colleagues found that rotenone can induce major
features of PD in rats, including slowness, stiffness and
tremor. Published in Nature Neuroscience in November 2000, these
results support the idea that chronic exposure to environmental
pesticides may contribute to the incidence of Parkinson's
disease in humans. With the new funding, Dr. Greenamyre will
continue to research rodent and cell models of PD to determine
which genes cause susceptibility or resistance to the
PD-inducing effects of pesticides.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community.../20022444.html

Organic pesticides affect more than just target species:
Some organic pesticides may be toxic to nontargets.
http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/public...are/which.html

Organic pesticides are as toxic as their synthetic counterparts, and
many of them are banned under the Rotterdam Convention:
The Convention has already been signed by 73 countries –
including Brazil – and ratified by 18. It will come into effect
once there are 50 signatory countries.The original products list
included 22 organic pesticides considered to be highly toxic...
http://www.nex.org.br/english/denuci...enenamento.htm

Finally, but not because I'm out of ammo on the subject, an organic
pesticide called Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane is banned because of
its pervasive toxicity. You probably have heard of it by its initials: DDT.
http://www.epa.gov/history/publications/formative6.htm

Here's more. Organic pesticides kill fish:
While some organic pesticides may be nontoxic or are only
slightly toxic to people, they may be very toxic to other
animals. For instance, the organic pesticide ryania is very
toxic to fish.
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm

Organic pesticides kill a variety of non-target species, and foods grown
organically are not labeled "pesticide free":
Organic pesticides are used widely. Some are toxic. Rotenone
kills fish. Copper sulphate kills many creatures. In California,
an organic pesticide, sulphur, represents one-third of all
pesticide use. For obvious reasons, organic farmers don’t call
their produce "pesticide free."
http://www.ontariocorn.org/ocpmag/pestruth.html
See also:
http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuse...etails&id=1677

Copper sulphate is more harmful to a variety of species than its
conventional counterpart:
Leake candidly criticized organic farmers for using nasty but
"natural" pesticides. "The use of copper and sulphur fungicide
sprays seems inconsistent with the claim that organic
agriculture is pesticide-free. On examination, the
eco-toxicology of copper sulphate is undoubtedly more harmful
and persistent than its conventional counterpart, Mancozeb."

Leake even provided a handy table, showing that the copper
sulphate used by organic farmers is toxic to humans, very toxic
to earthworms and fish, moderately toxic to birds and harmful to
small mammals.
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articl...0/sep_8_00.htm

Effects of copper sulphate -- an organic pesticide/fungicide -- on a
variety of species including humans:
There have been reports of human suicide resulting from the
ingestion of gram quantities of this material.... Copper sulfate
is very toxic to fish.... Copper sulfate is toxic to aquatic
invertebrates, such as crab, shrimp and oysters. Based on data
on the potential hazards posed by this material to the
slackwater darter, freshwater mussels, and Solano grass, and in
an effort to minimize exposure of endangered species to this
material, applicators in some counties are required to consult
EPA endangered species bulletins before applying copper sulfate.
http://tinyurl.com/5y4hm

Organic pesticides ARE toxins:
Organic pesticide - not an oxymoron, because many organic
farmers use pesticides. A pesticide is any compound that kills
pests. So Rotenone is considered an organic pesticide even
though it does a fantastic job of killing pests and has
questionable safety. Rotenone is derived from the roots of
various South American legumes. It is a nerve poison that
paralyzes insects. Other organic pesticides include copper
compounds that can be tough on other organisms and the
environment. Pyrethrins are pesticides derived from the
pyrethrum daisies. They are a nerve poison that is effective on
a wide range of insects. Pyrethrins are moderately toxic to
mammals and highly toxic to fish. It is illegal to apply them
around ponds or waterways. So even though it says "organic", it
can still pack a nasty punch.
http://www.springledgefarm.com/glossary.htm

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>>How much more evidence do you need, Skunky, before you stop making
>>wild claims about the superiority of organic farming techniques with
>>respect to concern for human health, wildlife safety, etc.? You jelly-headed,
>>clueless urbanite.
>
> There's still the fact that vegan foods as a whole
> cause less cds than animal products as a whole.

Ipse dixit.

> That's something you can't dispute.

It's your claim and the onus is on you to support it. That said, though,
I've not only disputed it, I've *already refuted* it. I've demonstrated
that your recommendation of organic foods does cause collateral deaths,
and that organic fertilizers require dead animal input. All your
wiggling is for naught: your house of cards fell a long time ago.

> Organic or not.

Have you reached the point of honesty with yourself yet that you really
knew nothing about organics aside from what you picked up from activists
and other clueless urbanites in your "Toronto vegan wannabe" clique?