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Jay Stevens, not-a-doctor and not-a-Hindoo, bullshitted:
In ,
posted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8662361.stm


Bullshit.



Visit:

http://www.nomilk.com/


More bullshit.



Also visit:

http://www.pcrm.org/


*More* bullshit.


Jai Maharaj, Jyotishitbag


You got that right, Stevens.



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On May 6, 7:10*am, "Fred C. Dobbs" wrote:
Jay Stevens, not-a-doctor and not-a-Hindoo, bullshitted:

In ,
* *posted:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8662361.stm


Bullshit.



Visit:


http://www.nomilk.com/


More bullshit.



Also visit:


http://www.pcrm.org/


*More* bullshit.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishitbag


You got that right, Stevens.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs


Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj offers rural Indians in jobs
as fool proof alternative to dairy farming to earn their living?

I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of buffaloes from
India and go into making mozzarella cheese production as some Italians
and Brits have done. Surely the Indians know better how to take care
of buffaloes.
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On May 6, 7:48*am, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
In article ,
*Dayashankar Joshi "Romanise" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:


Visit:


http://www.nomilk.com/


Also visit:


http://www.pcrm.org/

Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj . . .


There's no "Stevens" in my name, and "Jyotishi" refers to a profession.

. . . offers rural Indians in jobs
as fool proof alternative to dairy farming to earn their living?


What does a "fool proof alternative" mean to you, and for which
region? The production of food needs to be more about the benefit to
its consumer than the producer. *

I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of buffaloes from
India and go into making mozzarella cheese production as some Italians
and Brits have done. Surely the Indians know better how to take care
of buffaloes.


Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese. As a diabetic, you
probably already knew that.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti


Tell us how Rural economy of India can be sustained without any animal
husbandary?
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On alt.food.vegan, Romanise wrote:

On May 6, 7:48=A0am, and/or
www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

In article
.
=


com,

=A0Dayashankar Joshi "Romanise" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:


Visit:


http://www.nomilk.com/


Also visit:


http://www.pcrm.org/

Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj . . .


There's no "Stevens" in my name, and "Jyotishi" refers to a
profession.

. . . offers rural Indians in jobs as fool proof alternative
to dairy farming to earn their living?


What does a "fool proof alternative" mean to you, and for
which region? The production of food needs to be more about
the benefit to its consumer than the producer. =A0

I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of
buffaloes from India and go into making mozzarella cheese
production as some Italians and Brits have done. Surely the
Indians know better how to take care of buffaloes.


Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese. As a diabetic,
you probably already knew that.


Who needs cheese? Why do supposed plant product eaters try to emulate
animal product eaters?

Tofu cheese is gross. It is disgusting. It isn't even cheese.

There are _much_ better things to do with tofu.


Jai Maharaj, Jyotish Om Shanti


Tell us how Rural economy of India can be sustained without any
animal husbandary?


Why should he answer stupid questions like that? No one needs to
engage in animal husbandry anywhere. They are farmers. They can
grow anything. There are hundreds of commercial crops to choose
from.

Better yet, they can use their land to support themselves
directly, growing grains and legumes and veggies and oilseeds
and nut and fruit trees and sugar plants and fiber plants and
so on. They can make their own energy from plant sources:
methane/alcohol/woodgas....

Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies. Buffalo milk
is for buffalo babies. This is what a REAL scientist would
conclude after examining the evidence. Of course, common sense
will do the job just as well.


Sid



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On May 6, 11:39*am, Sidney Lambe
wrote:

Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese. As a diabetic,
you probably already knew that.


Who needs cheese? Why do supposed plant product eaters try to emulate
animal product eaters?


Would you want this be answered by Dr Jai Maharaj?

Tofu cheese is gross. It is disgusting. It isn't even cheese.

There are _much_ better things to do with tofu.


Tell us how Rural economy of India can be sustained without any
animal husbandary?


Why should he answer stupid questions like that?


I did ask him several times what doctorate he received from what
university in what year with what name?
He has remained quiet.

To the question "how Rural economy of India can be sustained without
any animal husbandry?" he needs to reply because he claims to be an
Engineer trained at India's premier Institue of Technology at Delhi
which was established primarily to improve the lot of Indian people
most of whom live in rural regions of which 60% have no land and so
are not farmers but do keep a cow, a buffalo, a goat, to provide them
with some protein.

No one needs to
engage in animal husbandry anywhere. They are farmers. They can
grow anything. There are hundreds of commercial crops to choose
from.


There are lands in India which cannot be cultivated and cultivation
activity needs reducing to keep, reintroduce vegitation cover on the
land for getting back to climate that is contrubuting less to global
warming.

Better yet, they can use their land to support themselves
directly, growing grains and legumes and veggies and oilseeds
and nut and fruit trees and sugar plants and fiber plants and
so on. They can make their own energy from plant sources:
methane/alcohol/woodgas....

Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies. Buffalo milk
is for buffalo babies. *This is what a REAL scientist would
conclude after examining the evidence. Of course, common sense
will do the job just as well.


If what you are saying gets established there is no need for milking
animals, is there?

Sid




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On Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:55 GMT, and/or
www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

In article ,
Dayashankar Joshi "Romanise" posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

Visit:

http://www.nomilk.com/

Also visit:

http://www.pcrm.org/


Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj . . .


There's no "Stevens" in my name, and "Jyotishi" refers to a profession.

. . . offers rural Indians in jobs
as fool proof alternative to dairy farming to earn their living?


What does a "fool proof alternative" mean to you, and for which
region? The production of food needs to be more about the benefit to
its consumer than the producer.


How unfortunate for the farmers.

I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of buffaloes from
India and go into making mozzarella cheese production as some Italians
and Brits have done. Surely the Indians know better how to take care
of buffaloes.


Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese.


· From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·
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On May 6, 4:26*pm, [email protected] wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:55 GMT, and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:



In article ,
Dayashankar Joshi "Romanise" posted:


Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:


Visit:


http://www.nomilk.com/


Also visit:


http://www.pcrm.org/


Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj . . .


There's no "Stevens" in my name, and "Jyotishi" refers to a profession.


. . . offers rural Indians in jobs
as fool proof alternative to dairy farming to earn their living?


What does a "fool proof alternative" mean to you, and for which
region? The production of food needs to be more about the benefit to
its consumer than the producer. *


* * How unfortunate for the farmers.

I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of buffaloes from
India and go into making mozzarella cheese production as some Italians
and Brits have done. Surely the Indians know better how to take care
of buffaloes.


Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese.


* · From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·


There are terrains in India where nothing can be cultivated, only
grass will grow. For any cultivation flat land with good soil cover
and adequate water supplies are required. Farmers in India cultivate
fodder which they can better use to support their cows and buffaloes
for milk. For example it is easy to raise maize (corn) in many places
in India as fodder than letting it to grow to the point of giving
serial. Many serial plant residues are used as cattle feed that will
otherwise will be hard and uneconomical to turn into manure.

Dr Steven Jay Maharaj an Engineering Ph.D. from prestigious Indian
Institute of Technology having turned to Astrology seems to have lost
touch with Indian Rural Realities.
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On 5/6/2010 8:26 AM, Goo - ****wit David Harrison - lied:
On Thu, 06 May 2010 06:48:55 GMT, and/or
www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

In ,
Dayashankar Joshi posted:

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

Visit:

http://www.nomilk.com/

Also visit:

http://www.pcrm.org/


Wonder what Stevens Jyotishi Jai Maharaj . . .


There's no "Stevens" in my name, and "Jyotishi" refers to a profession.


His name is Jay Stevens - he is not Indian and does not have a
legitimate Indian name - and he is a Jyotishithead.



. . . offers rural Indians in jobs
as fool proof alternative to dairy farming to earn their living?


What does a "fool proof alternative" mean to you, and for which
region? The production of food needs to be more about the benefit to
its consumer than the producer.


How unfortunate for the farmers.


No.



I would want Indians living in USA to get heards of buffaloes from
India and go into making mozzarella cheese production as some Italians
and Brits have done. Surely the Indians know better how to take care
of buffaloes.


Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese.


· From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life,


Canned bullshit.
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On 5/6/2010 8:39 AM, Romanise wrote:


Dr Steven Jay Maharaj an Engineering Ph.D. from prestigious Indian
Institute of Technology having turned to Astrology seems to have lost
touch with Indian Rural Realities.


His name is Jay Stevens. He is not an engineer, and he is not Indian.
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On May 6, 4:50*pm, "Fred C. Dobbs"
wrote:
On 5/6/2010 8:39 AM, Romanise wrote:



Dr Steven Jay Maharaj an Engineering Ph.D. from prestigious Indian
Institute of Technology having turned to Astrology seems to have lost
touch with Indian Rural Realities.


His name is Jay Stevens. *He is not an engineer, and he is not Indian.


Some years back an American poster who has been on Usenet longer than
this "Dr." has been wrote that guy when began to write here had very
poor English, a naural attribute for most Indians. The guy apparently
believes that more he spams more he can advertise his Astrology
business.


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On 5/6/2010 9:27 AM, Romanise wrote:
On May 6, 4:50 pm, "Fred C.
wrote:
On 5/6/2010 8:39 AM, Romanise wrote:



Dr Steven Jay Maharaj an Engineering Ph.D. from prestigious Indian
Institute of Technology having turned to Astrology seems to have lost
touch with Indian Rural Realities.


His name is Jay Stevens. He is not an engineer, and he is not Indian.


Some years back an American poster who has been on Usenet longer than
this "Dr." has been wrote that guy when began to write here had very
poor English, a naural attribute for most Indians. The guy apparently
believes that more he spams more he can advertise his Astrology
business.


Astrology is bunk, of course, and if Jay Stevens ever had any exposure
to engineering, he quickly would have washed out because the irrational
belief in supernatural phenomena required for belief in astrology is
incompatible with the supremely logical and rational basis for engineering.

Jay Stevens has adopted this phony Indian title because it helps him in
flim-flamming - swindling - stupid credulous people who believe in
astrology. Stevens is not a doctor and not an Indian. He's a crook.
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On alt.food.vegan, Romanise wrote:
On May 6, 11:39=A0am, Sidney Lambe
wrote:

Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese. As a diabetic,
you probably already knew that.


Who needs cheese? Why do supposed plant product eaters try to emulate
animal product eaters?


Would you want this be answered by Dr Jai Maharaj?

Tofu cheese is gross. It is disgusting. It isn't even cheese.

There are _much_ better things to do with tofu.


Tell us how Rural economy of India can be sustained without any
animal husbandary?


Why should he answer stupid questions like that?


I did ask him several times what doctorate he received from what
university in what year with what name?
He has remained quiet.

To the question "how Rural economy of India can be sustained without
any animal husbandry?" he needs to reply because he claims to be an
Engineer trained at India's premier Institue of Technology at Delhi
which was established primarily to improve the lot of Indian people
most of whom live in rural regions of which 60% have no land and so
are not farmers but do keep a cow, a buffalo, a goat, to provide them
with some protein.


You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land. Do you
have any idea how much plant material they consume? How about how
much water a cow or buffalo consumes? If they can keep a goat or
cow or buffalo they can use the land that supports those animals
for farming/gardening instead How about how much water a cow
consumes, which would be much more advantageous.

No one needs to
engage in animal husbandry anywhere. They are farmers. They can
grow anything. There are hundreds of commercial crops to choose
from.


There are lands in India which cannot be cultivated and cultivation
activity needs reducing to keep, reintroduce vegitation cover on the
land for getting back to climate that is contrubuting less to global
warming.


You do not need to cultivate land to grow crops on it.
Google "no-till farming".

And so what if there are lands that can't be farmed? There are
plenty that can. Duh.

Your stupidity and ignorance are getting to me.

Better yet, they can use their land to support themselves
directly, growing grains and legumes and veggies and oilseeds
and nut and fruit trees and sugar plants and fiber plants and
so on. They can make their own energy from plant sources:
methane/alcohol/woodgas....

Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies. Buffalo milk
is for buffalo babies. =A0This is what a REAL scientist would
conclude after examining the evidence. Of course, common sense
will do the job just as well.


If what you are saying gets established there is no need for milking
animals, is there?


Duh.

One more stupid post like this and I am going to killfile you.
Think and do your homework or keep your mouth shut.

As for whether that fellow is really a doctor or not is irrelevance.
That line of inquiry is a waste of time and amounts to nothing
but a personal attack.

You judge a person on the Usenet by the quality of their posts.

Sid

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On 5/6/2010 10:17 AM, Sidney Lambe wrote:
On alt.food.vegan, wrote:
On May 6, 11:39=A0am, Sidney
wrote:

Tofu cheese is better than dairy-based cheese. As a diabetic,
you probably already knew that.

Who needs cheese? Why do supposed plant product eaters try to emulate
animal product eaters?


Would you want this be answered by Dr Jai Maharaj?

Tofu cheese is gross. It is disgusting. It isn't even cheese.

There are _much_ better things to do with tofu.


Tell us how Rural economy of India can be sustained without any
animal husbandary?

Why should he answer stupid questions like that?


I did ask him several times what doctorate he received from what
university in what year with what name?
He has remained quiet.

To the question "how Rural economy of India can be sustained without
any animal husbandry?" he needs to reply because he claims to be an
Engineer trained at India's premier Institue of Technology at Delhi
which was established primarily to improve the lot of Indian people
most of whom live in rural regions of which 60% have no land and so
are not farmers but do keep a cow, a buffalo, a goat, to provide them
with some protein.


You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land. Do you
have any idea how much plant material they consume?


Ruminants convert plants that are indigestible by humans into foods that
humans can consume.


How about howmuch water a cow or buffalo consumes?


How about it?


If they can keep a goat or
cow or buffalo they can use the land that supports those animals
for farming/gardening instead


But they don't want to eat only vegetable matter. They want animal
protein as well.


How about how much water a cow
consumes, which would be much more advantageous.


The water goes to its highest valued use. Obviously, people have strong
enough wants for animal protein that some water is most highly valued
when used to raise livestock animals.



No one needs to
engage in animal husbandry anywhere. They are farmers. They can
grow anything. There are hundreds of commercial crops to choose
from.


There are lands in India which cannot be cultivated and cultivation
activity needs reducing to keep, reintroduce vegitation cover on the
land for getting back to climate that is contrubuting less to global
warming.


You do not need to cultivate land to grow crops on it.
Google "no-till farming".


There is a lot of land that is uneconomic to produce any
human-digestible crops, but that can be economically used for grazing of
animals.



And so what if there are lands that can't be farmed? There are
plenty that can. Duh.


Then there's enough land for multiple uses.


Your stupidity and ignorance are getting to me.


Yours are staggering. More to the point, you *cultivate* your ignorance
and stupidity - you work at it. Why is that?



Better yet, they can use their land to support themselves
directly, growing grains and legumes and veggies and oilseeds
and nut and fruit trees and sugar plants and fiber plants and
so on. They can make their own energy from plant sources:
methane/alcohol/woodgas....

Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies. Buffalo milk
is for buffalo babies. =A0This is what a REAL scientist would
conclude after examining the evidence. Of course, common sense
will do the job just as well.


If what you are saying gets established there is no need for milking
animals, is there?


Duh.

One more stupid post like this and I am going to killfile you.
Think and do your homework or keep your mouth shut.

As for whether that fellow is really a doctor or not is irrelevance.
That line of inquiry is a waste of time and amounts to nothing
but a personal attack.

You judge a person on the Usenet by the quality of their posts.


Jay Stevens' posts are shit. So are yours.
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On May 6, 6:17*pm, Sidney Lambe wrote:

You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land.


In India many without land often living in mid size towns keep a cow
or two, a buffalo, or a couple of goats.

Almost a quarter of Mumbai milk is supplied by herds of buffalo
keepers who buy all required fodder from farmers or grass merchants.

Do you
have any idea how much plant material they consume?


I know that very well.

How about how
much water a cow or buffalo consumes? If they can keep a goat or
cow or buffalo they can use the land that supports those animals
for farming/gardening instead How about how much water a cow
consumes, which would be much more advantageous.


Those who have land they too keep milking animals so that they can
have income from them too.

No one needs to
engage in animal husbandry anywhere. They are farmers. They can
grow anything. There are hundreds of commercial crops to choose
from.


You do not need to cultivate land to grow crops on it.
Google "no-till farming".


No till farming that was promoted by some Japanes man has not proved
very successful. Tractors, Harvestors, and the lot are still being
manufactured. Of course in India they use mostly castrated bullocks.

And so what if there are lands that can't be farmed? There are
plenty that can. Duh.


The lands those can be farmed are being farmed to maximum.

Your stupidity and ignorance are getting to me.


That is a reaction of an ignorant person.

Better yet, they can use their land to support themselves
directly, growing grains and legumes and veggies and oilseeds
and nut and fruit trees and sugar plants and fiber plants and
so on. They can make their own energy from plant sources:
methane/alcohol/woodgas....


Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies. Buffalo milk
is for buffalo babies. =A0This is what a REAL scientist would
conclude after examining the evidence. Of course, common sense
will do the job just as well.


If what you are saying gets established there is no need for milking
animals, is there?


Duh.

One more stupid post like this and I am going to killfile you.
Think and do your homework or keep your mouth shut.


With your killfile threat I am terrified.

As for whether that fellow is really a doctor or not is irrelevance.
That line of inquiry is a waste of time and amounts to nothing
but a personal attack.


I am sure you have good practice of that.

You judge a person on the Usenet by the quality of their posts.

Sid


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On alt.food.vegan, Romanise wrote:
On May 6, 6:17=A0pm, Sidney Lambe wrote:

You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land.


In India many without land often living in mid size towns keep a cow
or two, a buffalo, or a couple of goats.


If they don't have land to graze these animals on, how do they
eat, Einstein? Do you have any idea how much vegetation those
creatures consume?

And what do those plants grow on? LAND. Duh.

So they have land they can use. That land can be used to grow food
for people rather than animals. This is much more efficient.

Otherwise, you are telling us that those peasants have fodder for
their animals shipped to the animals, which is absurd. They couldn't
possibly afford that.

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Sid





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