Hi all!
I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
MerryB

Merryb wrote:
> Hi all!
> I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
> great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
> of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
> it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
> I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
> of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
> question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
> post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
> shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
> MerryB
Won't help the starter, but it will not hurt the septic. It is common
practice to put yeast down the drain to encourage the little bugs to eat
what comes down the drain, if you know what I mean.

On Apr 18, 4:38*pm, Norvin > wrote:
> Merryb wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > *I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
> > great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
> > of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
> > it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
> > I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
> > of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
> > question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
> > post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
> > shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
> > MerryB
>
> Won't help the starter, but it will not hurt the septic. It is common
> practice to put yeast down the drain to encourage the little bugs to eat
> what comes down the drain, if you know what I mean.

I do know what you mean- Rid-X, right? I'm just picturing this culture
GROWING- bubbles coming out of the ground- LOL!

> I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
> of you think it's doing anything in there?

no it will die.

Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.

The pleasant smell of a well nutritioned sourdough starter is the opposite
of the unpleasant smell of biogas from anaerobic bacterial fermentation.

--
CK

Charlie Kroeger wrote:
> [..]
>
> Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
> contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.
>
Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?

Sam

"Sam" > wrote in message news:mailman.12.1208608087.4061.rec.food.sourdough @www.mountainbitwarrior..com...
> Charlie Kroeger wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> > Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
> > contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.
> >
> Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?

Why are you pussyfooting, Sam? Jeez, you are beginning to act like Kenneth!
Why don't you just say it outright: You are wrong Charlie! Friggin' WRONG.
Doncha know anything Charlie? Why are you posting CRAP?

You people posting crap and stoopidity are killing our newsgroup!

See this, for instance: www.nbimcc.org/JCC/2007/JCC0756/JCC0756.pdf
Sez there (at the end, in the summary):
"Sourdough fermentation begins with aerobic growth immediately upon mixing flour and
water. Once oxygen is depleted, anaerobic fermentation begins with the growth of LAB.
LAB produce acids which enhance their rapid growth when the pH value has dropped too
low for other microorganisms to develop. So, the LAB become the most abundant micro-
organisms in the sourdough and they are the refore responsible for the final stages of the
sourdough processing."

> Charlie? Why are you posting CRAP?

Adams, admit it, you're a stupid old fart, and unless you have the excuse of
suffering from some recent head injury, you were probably always this way.

I tell you another thing asshole, bet you wouldn't say that to my face.

--
CK

"Charlie Kroeger" > wrote in message ...

> Adams, admit it, you're a stupid old fart, and unless you have the excuse of
> suffering from some recent head injury, you were probably always this way.
>
> I tell you another thing asshole, bet you wouldn't say that to my face.

Be assured I would not take one step to be anywhere in the vicinity
of your face or any other member of your ugly anatomy, some of which
I might otherwise most joyously kick.

Charlie Kroeger" > wrote in message ...

> Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
> contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.

Common sourdough yeast is a facultative anaerobe. You can look that up
on WikiPedia. It means that the yeast can use oxygen, by can take it or
leave it, according to conditions. As far as the sourdough bacteria are
concerned, they are probably anaerobes, or mostly so. There are a bunch
of them. In unstirred starter or dough, conditions are undoubtedly anaerobic,
at least eventually.

Septic tanks are mostly offtopical here. But follow your instincts. If we
do not appreciate you, we can ignore you or killfile you, if, like some other
recent nuisances, chose to post offtopically several times each day.

In recent years, there were reports that the Jersey Devil cultured sourdough
starter in an abandoned commode he found on his grounds. Such use qualifies
the commode as topical. It is a subtle distinction. I doubt if you would
ever understand!

What happened to Jersey Devil? JD, are you out there still? Come back, we
need you now! We are being overflooded by a tsunami of assholes.

--
Dicky

Dick Adams wrote:
> Why are you posting CRAP?
>
>
If you see it as that - what can I do?

I want to know where he got this from and the way you are posting, he'll
never tell anything, even if he has a source.

From my end - you blew it big time, because you are just not getting
it, you doofus!

Sam

"Sam" > wrote in message news:mailman.17.1208757951.4061.rec.food.sourdough @www.mountainbitwarrior..com...

> Dick Adams wrote:
> > Why are you posting CRAP?

> I want to know where he got this from and the way you are posting, he'll
> never tell anything, even if he has a source.

I guess that means that you wanted Charlie Kroeger to tell you how he knows
that > yeast and bacteria ... are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen <.

Perhaps you sought to lead ol' Charlie to the path righteousness via gentle
Socratic interrogation?

Very likely he does not remember he ever said it.

> From my end - you blew it big time, because you are just not getting
> it, you doofus!

Oh well, I am stoopid just for being here any longer. Certainly it was
useless for me to post some relevant facts and a citation in refutation of
Charlie's erroneous statement, namely in:
and

'cause probably no one here anymore knows how to click up recent posts
from their news IDs, or how to find them in the Google archive once they have
decayed from the news servers.

The convention of posters mentioning exactly what they are attempting to
talk about seems also to be on the wane.

--
Dicky

G'day Samartha & all;

"Sam" > wrote in message
news:mailman.12.1208608087.4061.rec.food.sourdough @www.mountainbitwarrior.com...
> Charlie Kroeger wrote:
>> [..]
>>
>> Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
>> contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.
>>
> Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?
There are several methods of processing "waste" water from homes. The
typical method is to use a septic system. The bacteria that populate that
system are anaerobic by specific selection. And no, you will not mess up
your septic system by dumping your excess starter. If anything, they'll be
just another excellent "food" source of those hard-working little critters
breaking down your waste. We've been using that kind of system for years...

Donno if this counts as an "authoritive" source or not:
http://www.keidel.com/resource/sewage/. But they continue with some really
"riveting" reading he ... (:-o)!
http://www.keidel.com/resource/sewage/septic-care.htm

Enjoy!


Dusty -- enjoying the late-spring snow on the hills east of Everett, Wa.
....

On Apr 19, 6:19*am, "BakerBoy" >
wrote:
> G'day Samartha & all;
>
> "Sam" > wrote in message
>
> news:mailman.12.1208608087.4061.rec.food.sourdough @www.mountainbitwarrior.com...> Charlie Kroeger wrote:
> >> [..]
>
> >> Septic tank bacteria is anaerobic i.e.no oxygen. The sourdough starter
> >> contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen..
>
> > Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?
>
> There are several methods of processing "waste" water from homes. *The
> typical method is to use a septic system. *The bacteria that populate that
> system are anaerobic by specific selection. *And no, you will not mess up
> your septic system by dumping your excess starter. *If anything, they'll be
> just another excellent "food" source of those hard-working little critters
> breaking down your waste. *We've been using that kind of system for years...
>
> Donno if this counts as an "authoritive" source or not:http://www.keidel.com/resource/sewage/. *But they continue with some really
> "riveting" reading he *... (:-o)!http://www.keidel.com/resource/sewage/septic-care.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Dusty -- enjoying the late-spring snow on the hills east of Everett, Wa.
> ...

Glad you're enjoying it- I'm soooo ready for spring to FINALLY get
here!
Merry in Gig Harbor

"Merryb" > wrote in message
...
....
> Dusty -- enjoying the late-spring snow on the hills east of Everett, Wa.
....
Glad you're enjoying it- I'm soooo ready for spring to FINALLY get
here!
Merry in Gig Harbor

[Heh, heh, heh...truth be told, I wuz being somewhat 'tongue-in-cheek' with
that. It's nearly May, and I've had about all the snow I need... But
YMMV...(:-o)! -- Dusty]

Gig Harbor, I know were that is I work up the road @ Hills Moving Service in
Poulsbo, WA

Joe Umstead
>
> Glad you're enjoying it- I'm soooo ready for spring to FINALLY get
> here!
> Merry in Gig Harbor

> Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?
>
> Sam

You could always have a read in the wikipedia, the 'living' encyclopedia
that's where I go for information.

What is it with this group is it a bunch of ignorant old men that dabble in
making bread, sure sounds like it.

--
CK

Hey -

I am asking YOU to back this up:

> The sourdough starter
> contains yeast and bacteria that are aerobic organisms, requires oxygen.

YOU made this claim and I would like to know where you got this from.

That's all.

If you can't provide a source and you just pulled it out of your head,
that's fine. Just say so and I go from there.

Sam

Charlie Kroeger wrote:
>> Are they? Any source you can quote to back this up?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
> You could always have a read in the wikipedia, the 'living' encyclopedia
> that's where I go for information.
>
> What is it with this group is it a bunch of ignorant old men that dabble in
> making bread, sure sounds like it.
>
>

Merryb wrote:
> Hi all!
> I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
> great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
> of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
> it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
> I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank.
Any idea what kind the pre septic tank critters are - in human saliva,
intestines, vagina?

Once that is known, once could make a more educated guess, if the
sourdough organisms would upset the sewage.

Sam

Merryb wrote:
> Hi all!
> I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
> great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
> of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
> it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
> I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
> of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
> question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
> post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
> shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
> MerryB

Folks at cottages with septic systems that will be unused for a while
often pour yeast or buttermilk into the system to provide food for the
micro-organisms if nothing else while it isn't used.

Some folks think this will help lengthen the pump out times by keeping
the system active, but most studies I have seen don't think it helps on
always active systems. It at least won't hurt any systems.

Here are a couple WWW links that mention it for the folks that don't
believe anything they read on Usenet:

http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/EMD/en...er_septic.html
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf942791.tip.html

Mike (who has installed more than one septic system)

On Apr 19, 11:48*am, Mike Romain > wrote:
> Merryb wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > *I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
> > great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
> > of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
> > it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
> > I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
> > of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
> > question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
> > post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
> > shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
> > MerryB
>
> Folks at cottages with septic systems that will be unused for a while
> often pour yeast or buttermilk into the system to provide food for the
> micro-organisms if nothing else while it isn't used.
>
> Some folks think this will help lengthen the pump out times by keeping
> the system active, but most studies I have seen don't think it helps on
> always active systems. *It at least won't hurt any systems.
>
> Here are a couple WWW links that mention it for the folks that don't
> believe anything they read on Usenet:
>
> http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/EMD/en...42791.tip.html
>
> Mike (who has installed more than one septic system)

Thank you for your reply!

Merryb wrote:
> On Apr 19, 11:48 am, Mike Romain > wrote:
>> Merryb wrote:
>>> Hi all!
>>> I usually don't post here, but I have a question. I have maintained a
>>> great starter I began about 7 years ago. It's been in the fridge most
>>> of the time, but every time I bring it out and baby it for a day or 2,
>>> it's jumpin'! So, we recently moved into a house with a septic system.
>>> I'm wondering what happens if starter gets in the septic tank. Do any
>>> of you think it's doing anything in there? I know this may be a silly
>>> question, and I don't dump it down the drain. Just thought I would
>>> post this question to keep the group on topic instead of selling
>>> shoes, watches, porn. Guess I could sell starter!! LOL! TIA!!
>>> MerryB
>> Folks at cottages with septic systems that will be unused for a while
>> often pour yeast or buttermilk into the system to provide food for the
>> micro-organisms if nothing else while it isn't used.
>>
>> Some folks think this will help lengthen the pump out times by keeping
>> the system active, but most studies I have seen don't think it helps on
>> always active systems. It at least won't hurt any systems.
>>
>> Here are a couple WWW links that mention it for the folks that don't
>> believe anything they read on Usenet:
>>
>> http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/EMD/en...42791.tip.html
>>
>> Mike (who has installed more than one septic system)
>
> Thank you for your reply!

Sorry, I don't know what happened to that link, here is the corrected one:

http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/EMD/en...er_septic.html

Mike