_.-In rec.food.cooking, notbob wrote the following -._
> On 2005-09-22, Faux_Pseudo > wrote:
>
>> Harley shop was playing Enya.
>
> LOL!....

She said that she didn't want to be working on Chrismas and so she was
going to play what she wanted. While her taste may not have been in
with the Harley ideals her reasoning was.

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In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>
> nb

Wow, I find that organic from small farms often tastes better because it
wasn't picked until it was ripe, unlike large farms organic or not.

Other reasons for organic might be...concern for the water supply which
gets polluted from chemical runoff, concern for the farmers who are
exposed to large doses of the chemicals, concern for birds, butterflys
and beneficial bugs which can also be killed when broad spectrum
insecticides are used.

marcella

notbob wrote:

> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
nothing;
> > it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>
> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.


It's a bit before my time (I was born in '53), but for a year or two in the
early 50's ('52 I think) chlorophyll was touted as a "miracle" indgredient
in stuff like toothpaste, gum, mouthwash, etc. I don't get it, but
apparently it was supposed to promote cleanliness or something...it was one
of those goofy short - lived 50's fads, e.g. the Hula - Hoop ('58), pink
shirts with black ties for men ('56), air suspension on cars ('57 - '58) or
Philco "Predicta" teevee sets ('58)...


> > There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
> > producer/seller decides it is...
>
> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>

Yep, unless it's really dangerous my attitude is "We're all gonna die
anyway...". I can't taste the diff, actually. The "organic" stuff in my
soopermart tastes about the same as the regular stuff, it's just more
expensive. An "organic" hot house tomato in January is just as bad as a
regular one...

--
Best
Greg

Peter Aitken wrote:

> You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>
> 1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may cause
> problems.
>
> 2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>
> 3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
> fertilizer runoff.


In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx buy
into...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
> > On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
> nothing;
> > > it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
> >
> > "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>
>
> It's a bit before my time (I was born in '53), but for a year or two in the
> early 50's ('52 I think) chlorophyll was touted as a "miracle" indgredient
> in stuff like toothpaste, gum, mouthwash, etc. I don't get it, but
> apparently it was supposed to promote cleanliness or something

Was supposed to be the be all-end all cure for Halitosis (WOP breath),
most popular item was Clorets gum.

http://www.cadburyadams.com/brands/c...m/clorets.html

Can easily make your own decoction... steep a big fistful of fresh
picked mint in a pint of cheapo vodka for about a week (alcohol is the
universal solvent for chlorophyl), then use to gargle as needed, and
unlike traditional mouthwashes this I recommend swallowing... can also
serve on the rocks with a splash of green creme de menthe and chocolate
liquor... Noo Yawk Peppermint Patty

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >
> > > On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
> > <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
> > nothing;
> > > > it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
> > >
> > > "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
> >
> >
> > It's a bit before my time (I was born in '53), but for a year or two in
the
> > early 50's ('52 I think) chlorophyll was touted as a "miracle"
indgredient
> > in stuff like toothpaste, gum, mouthwash, etc. I don't get it, but
> > apparently it was supposed to promote cleanliness or something
>
> Was supposed to be the be all-end all cure for Halitosis (WOP breath),
> most popular item was Clorets gum.
>
> http://www.cadburyadams.com/brands/c...m/clorets.html


Yep, that's it, thanks...back in those days (and earlier) halitosis,
dandruff, and laxatives, and deodorants were advertised ad nauseum all over
the place. I listen to OTR (Old Time Radio) and it's amazing how many shows
were sponsored by Sal Hepatica and the like...jeez, was EVERYBODY plugged
up!?

Even into the 60's the trend continued - remember Katy Winters and "Ice Blue
Secret" deodorant? And from all the dandruff shampoo ads you'd think
dandruff was a national crisis or something. Of course in earlier days many
didn't bathe or wash their hair daily, so...


> Can easily make your own decoction... steep a big fistful of fresh
> picked mint in a pint of cheapo vodka for about a week (alcohol is the
> universal solvent for chlorophyl), then use to gargle as needed, and
> unlike traditional mouthwashes this I recommend swallowing... can also
> serve on the rocks with a splash of green creme de menthe and chocolate
> liquor... Noo Yawk Peppermint Patty


Not too shabby :-)

--
Best
Greg

Sheldon wrote:
>
> do you know if that cute babe reaching in just before you washed
> her hands after renewing her tampon. And nuts are expensive, why
> spend good money on nuts about to go rancid and/or crawling with
> pubic cooties.

And if that doesn't gross you out, consider the
possibility that the previous patron of the bulk
food bins may have been Sheldon.

On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

> It's a bit before my time (I was born in '53), but for a year or two in the
> early 50's ('52 I think) chlorophyll was touted as a "miracle" indgredient
> in stuff like toothpaste, gum, mouthwash, etc. I don't get it, but
> apparently it was supposed to promote cleanliness or something...it was one
> of those goofy short - lived 50's fads, e.g. the Hula - Hoop ('58), pink
> shirts with black ties for men ('56), air suspension on cars ('57 - '58) or
> Philco "Predicta" teevee sets ('58)...

OK, I remember that, but I don't know if I'd qualify it as a
craze/fad, just MadAve schlock, liked striped toothpaste and gum. Now
Hula-Hoops were definitely a seriously full blown craze. As for the
rest, I don't think so. I've seen one Predicta in the wild in my
life. More a curiosity than a craze. Air suspension? That was more
of a craze in the late 70's, early 80's, when you could retrofit your
rear suspension with air and vary the pressure at any gas station.
It's still around, here and there. Honda Gold Wings can adjust their
air suspension while on the go. As for me, I prefer Pink on gray.

nb

nb

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>
>
>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>
>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may cause
>>problems.
>>
>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>
>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
>>fertilizer runoff.
>
>
>
> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx buy
> into...
>

And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."

So, what else is new?


jim

JimLane wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Peter Aitken wrote:
> >
> >
> >>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
> >>
> >>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
cause
> >>problems.
> >>
> >>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
> >>
> >>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
> >>fertilizer runoff.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
> > stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
buy
> > into...
> >
>
> And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
> see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand
kids."
>
> So, what else is new?


Ummm...I won't be having any grandkids...???

Hate to burst your idealistic bubble, but unless an individual is VERY
wealthy or VERY powerful there is generally VERY little one can do (outside
of assassinating someone prominent) to change the course of Big Things...

--
Best
Greg

"JimLane" > wrote in message
...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>
>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>cause
>>>problems.
>>>
>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>
>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
>>>fertilizer runoff.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>> buy
>> into...
>>
>
> And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to see
> the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
>

If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and selfishness
are the operative words here.


--
Peter Aitken

notbob wrote:

> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
> > It's a bit before my time (I was born in '53), but for a year or two in
the
> > early 50's ('52 I think) chlorophyll was touted as a "miracle"
indgredient
> > in stuff like toothpaste, gum, mouthwash, etc. I don't get it, but
> > apparently it was supposed to promote cleanliness or something...it was
one
> > of those goofy short - lived 50's fads, e.g. the Hula - Hoop ('58),
pink
> > shirts with black ties for men ('56), air suspension on cars ('57 - '58)
or
> > Philco "Predicta" teevee sets ('58)...
>
> OK, I remember that, but I don't know if I'd qualify it as a
> craze/fad, just MadAve schlock, liked striped toothpaste and gum. Now
> Hula-Hoops were definitely a seriously full blown craze. As for the
> rest, I don't think so. I've seen one Predicta in the wild in my
> life. More a curiosity than a craze. Air suspension? That was more
> of a craze in the late 70's, early 80's, when you could retrofit your
> rear suspension with air and vary the pressure at any gas station.
> It's still around, here and there. Honda Gold Wings can adjust their
> air suspension while on the go. As for me, I prefer Pink on gray.
>


I remember seeing Predictas in a few mom 'n pop hotels even into the early
70's, I guess they got a deal on them back c. 1960 when they turned out to
be the Edsel of TV sets (made by the same company, too!)...

Air suspension back in the 50's was the Next Big Thing...all the Big Three
automakers offered it IIRC on many of their models, in fact GM considered
making it standard on their entire 1958 line (it was GM's 50th anniversary,
they had to have some engineering coups to go along with that gawdawful be -
chromed Harley Earl "styling"). Problem was, those early air suspension
systems were faulty and they leaked (shoddiness in any case was rife among
Detroit iron of that era; ask those who had Ford Skyliners how many times
their convertible hardtops would stop in mid - air when it was being raised
or lowered into the trunk), the few folks that ordered the option would all
of a sudden find their cars sunk low to the ground and useless. The
manufacturers realised their folly and retro - fitted these cars with
regular suspension systems...by 1960 air suspension was gone.

Of course today air suspension has been virtually perfected, it is generally
problem free...

Oh, and one of the rooms in my apt. has dark gray walls with a pink - ish
"accent" wall :-)

--
Best
Greg

Peter Aitken wrote:

> "JimLane" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> Peter Aitken wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
> >>>
> >>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
> >>>cause
> >>>problems.
> >>>
> >>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
> >>>
> >>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
and
> >>>fertilizer runoff.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
> >> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
> >> buy
> >> into...
> >>
> >
> > And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
see
> > the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
> >
>
> If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and selfishness
> are the operative words here.


I've never noticed any diff between the "organic" stuff and the regular
purveyed at the average soopermart, if I want really good produce I'll visit
the local farmer's market in season or go to an ethnic or greengrocer who
carries very good produce...in any case you can bet I won't be visiting some
yuppie rip - off joint like Whole Foods. Unless y'all offer to pay, that is
:-)

As for "cheapness", I really don't cotton to the idear of spending even
*more* of my food budget to "save the planet" or whatever...I ain't Paul
Ehrlich. Spending 25+% for my produce ain't gonna make a dent in the
world's problems...

If "organic" were the same price, then no problemo. But it isn't...

--
Best
Greg

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Peter Aitken wrote:

> "JimLane" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>> cause
>>>> problems.

"may cause problems".... no, instead let's eat stuff that will cause
problems! Like ... say... apple rust! Go organic!

Try again. I know you don't know how carcinogenic most natural poisons
are, but let me tell you, there's a reason we use pesticides.

>>>> 2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.

instead, let's expose them to teratogenic compounds!

I'm not of the era where kids ran behind the DDT truck because it smelled
good...

but, the poisons they use aren't terribly bad. You should see homebrewed
pesticides sometime....

>>>> 3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
>>>> fertilizer runoff.

You can do this in better ways than buying organic, honestly. I'd start
by trying not to buy antibacterial everything, as it's a load of bull.


Am I against organic? Not when it's more profitable than pesticides! It
isn't my fault that petrochemistry is more advanced than biological ways
of doing the same thing...

Oh, but wait! anything that is advanced, in biology, isn't organic!
Including that yellow rice, that saves thousands of kids from going
blind...

Lena

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy
>

Not really. The selections will vary regionally. The fruits and veg are
rather overpriced. Our local one has a decent wet fish counter. The
meats are marginal locally. YMMV

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:53:36 -0700, Jeff Bienstadt
> wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>> we'll go!
>>
>> Anything special to look for?
>>
>> nancy
>
>The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.

My husband won't even take me there because he says we can't afford it
From what you're saying, the food sounds great there! Maybe if we
win the lotto...

--
~Karen aka Kajikit
Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life
http://www.kajikitscorner.com
Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>
>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>
>>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>
> cause
>
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>
>>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
>>>>fertilizer runoff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>
> buy
>
>>>into...
>>>
>>
>>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
>>see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand
>
> kids."
>
>>So, what else is new?
>
>
>
> Ummm...I won't be having any grandkids...???
>
> Hate to burst your idealistic bubble, but unless an individual is VERY
> wealthy or VERY powerful there is generally VERY little one can do (outside
> of assassinating someone prominent) to change the course of Big Things...
>

Hate to pop your bubble but masses of people can and you get that mass
one person at a time. Like that infamous journey, one step at a time.


jim

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>
>
>>"JimLane" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>>>cause
>>>>>problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>>
>>>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
>
> and
>
>>>>>fertilizer runoff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>>>>buy
>>>>into...
>>>>
>>>
>>>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
>
> see
>
>>>the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
>>>
>>
>>If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and selfishness
>>are the operative words here.
>
>
>
> I've never noticed any diff between the "organic" stuff and the regular
> purveyed at the average soopermart, if I want really good produce I'll visit
> the local farmer's market in season or go to an ethnic or greengrocer who
> carries very good produce...in any case you can bet I won't be visiting some
> yuppie rip - off joint like Whole Foods. Unless y'all offer to pay, that is
> :-)
>
> As for "cheapness", I really don't cotton to the idear of spending even
> *more* of my food budget to "save the planet" or whatever...I ain't Paul
> Ehrlich. Spending 25+% for my produce ain't gonna make a dent in the
> world's problems...
>
> If "organic" were the same price, then no problemo. But it isn't...
>

What part of a flood starting one rain drop at a time don't you understand?


jim

JimLane wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > JimLane wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>
> >>>Peter Aitken wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
> >>>>
> >>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
> >
> > cause
> >
> >>>>problems.
> >>>>
> >>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
> >>>>
> >>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
and
> >>>>fertilizer runoff.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
> >>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
> >
> > buy
> >
> >>>into...
> >>>
> >>
> >>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
> >>see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand
> >
> > kids."
> >
> >>So, what else is new?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ummm...I won't be having any grandkids...???
> >
> > Hate to burst your idealistic bubble, but unless an individual is VERY
> > wealthy or VERY powerful there is generally VERY little one can do
(outside
> > of assassinating someone prominent) to change the course of Big
Things...
> >
>
> Hate to pop your bubble but masses of people can and you get that mass
> one person at a time. Like that infamous journey, one step at a time.
>


Anyone who subscribes to that mantra must do a *lot* of running in place...

I prefer this:

"There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and
there are families.

- Margaret Thatcher

--
Best
Greg

JimLane wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Peter Aitken wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"JimLane" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
> >>>>>cause
> >>>>>problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>>>fertilizer runoff.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
> >>>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
> >>>>buy
> >>>>into...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
> >
> > see
> >
> >>>the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
> >>>
> >>
> >>If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and
selfishness
> >>are the operative words here.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've never noticed any diff between the "organic" stuff and the regular
> > purveyed at the average soopermart, if I want really good produce I'll
visit
> > the local farmer's market in season or go to an ethnic or greengrocer
who
> > carries very good produce...in any case you can bet I won't be visiting
some
> > yuppie rip - off joint like Whole Foods. Unless y'all offer to pay, that
is
> > :-)
> >
> > As for "cheapness", I really don't cotton to the idear of spending even
> > *more* of my food budget to "save the planet" or whatever...I ain't Paul
> > Ehrlich. Spending 25+% for my produce ain't gonna make a dent in the
> > world's problems...
> >
> > If "organic" were the same price, then no problemo. But it isn't...
> >
>
> What part of a flood starting one rain drop at a time don't you
understand?
>


So buying non - "organic" produce causes floods, is that it, eh?

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>
>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"JimLane" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>>>>>cause
>>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>fertilizer runoff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>>>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>>>>>>buy
>>>>>>into...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
>>>
>>>see
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and
>
> selfishness
>
>>>>are the operative words here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I've never noticed any diff between the "organic" stuff and the regular
>>>purveyed at the average soopermart, if I want really good produce I'll
>
> visit
>
>>>the local farmer's market in season or go to an ethnic or greengrocer
>
> who
>
>>>carries very good produce...in any case you can bet I won't be visiting
>
> some
>
>>>yuppie rip - off joint like Whole Foods. Unless y'all offer to pay, that
>
> is
>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>As for "cheapness", I really don't cotton to the idear of spending even
>>>*more* of my food budget to "save the planet" or whatever...I ain't Paul
>>>Ehrlich. Spending 25+% for my produce ain't gonna make a dent in the
>>>world's problems...
>>>
>>>If "organic" were the same price, then no problemo. But it isn't...
>>>
>>
>>What part of a flood starting one rain drop at a time don't you
>
> understand?
>
>
>
> So buying non - "organic" produce causes floods, is that it, eh?
>

WHOOSH, right over your head!


jim

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>
>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>>JimLane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>
>>>cause
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
>
> and
>
>>>>>>fertilizer runoff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>>>stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>>>
>>>buy
>>>
>>>
>>>>>into...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
>>>>see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand
>>>
>>>kids."
>>>
>>>
>>>>So, what else is new?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ummm...I won't be having any grandkids...???
>>>
>>>Hate to burst your idealistic bubble, but unless an individual is VERY
>>>wealthy or VERY powerful there is generally VERY little one can do
>
> (outside
>
>>>of assassinating someone prominent) to change the course of Big
>
> Things...
>
>>Hate to pop your bubble but masses of people can and you get that mass
>>one person at a time. Like that infamous journey, one step at a time.
>>
>
>
>
> Anyone who subscribes to that mantra must do a *lot* of running in place...
>
> I prefer this:
>
> "There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and
> there are families.
>
> - Margaret Thatcher
>

Yep, there are goats and there are sheep. Which are you?


jim

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Gregory Morrow wrote:

>
> JimLane wrote:
>
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "JimLane" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides,
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> fertilizer runoff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>>>> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of folx
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> into...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around to
>>>
>>> see
>>>
>>>>> the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my grand kids."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and
> selfishness
>>>> are the operative words here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never noticed any diff between the "organic" stuff and the regular
>>> purveyed at the average soopermart, if I want really good produce I'll
> visit
>>> the local farmer's market in season or go to an ethnic or greengrocer
> who
>>> carries very good produce...in any case you can bet I won't be visiting
> some
>>> yuppie rip - off joint like Whole Foods. Unless y'all offer to pay, that
> is
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> As for "cheapness", I really don't cotton to the idear of spending even
>>> *more* of my food budget to "save the planet" or whatever...I ain't Paul
>>> Ehrlich. Spending 25+% for my produce ain't gonna make a dent in the
>>> world's problems...
>>>
>>> If "organic" were the same price, then no problemo. But it isn't...
>>>
>>
>> What part of a flood starting one rain drop at a time don't you
> understand?
>>
>
>
> So buying non - "organic" produce causes floods, is that it, eh?

Buying from stupid farmers causes floods.

Stupid farming: Conventional version is done without having crops planted
at all times, so that rain tends to wash away a lot of topsoil.

Stupid farming: Organic version involves putting more acres into
agriculture, and not using those same acres for swamps/forests and other
wild places that are naturally resistant to flooding (and provide
protection for the farmers).

Lena

Peter Aitken wrote:
> "JimLane" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that
>>>> may cause
>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides,
>>>> fungicides, and fertilizer runoff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of
>>> folx buy
>>> into...
>>>
>>
>> And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around
>> to see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my
>> grand kids."
>>
>
> If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and
> selfishness are the operative words here.

It doesn't make any sense for organic produce to cost more. After all, the
farmers aren't spending that money on chemicals. So please, justify to me
the higher price. Keep in mind I'm not a farmer nor a gardener so I really
truly don't know. But I do know it doesn't make a lot of sense to charge
more for something grown the way our ancestors did it - unadulterated. Same
thing with free-range chicken. So they get to run around? For this we pay
more for them?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Peter Aitken wrote:
>> "JimLane" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>> Peter Aitken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that
>>>>> may cause
>>>>> problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides,
>>>>> fungicides, and fertilizer runoff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the grand scheme of things I really don't care about any of that
>>>> stuff...it's akin to the "Recycling is GOOD" mantra that a lot of
>>>> folx buy
>>>> into...
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you seem to be akin to the "screw the earth, I won't be around
>>> to see the repercussions of the fuc+ked up earth I'll leave to my
>>> grand kids."
>>>
>>
>> If organic were cheaper he would buy it, I bet. Cheapness and
>> selfishness are the operative words here.
>
> It doesn't make any sense for organic produce to cost more. After all,
> the
> farmers aren't spending that money on chemicals. So please, justify to me
> the higher price. Keep in mind I'm not a farmer nor a gardener so I
> really
> truly don't know. But I do know it doesn't make a lot of sense to charge
> more for something grown the way our ancestors did it - unadulterated.
> Same
> thing with free-range chicken. So they get to run around? For this we
> pay
> more for them?
>
> Jill
>
>

Pesticides and chemical fertilizers do increase yield - that's why they have
been so widely used. The cost of the chemicals is more than offset by the
increased yield. Ditto for the factory approach to raising chickens. Organic
and free range require more work and give less yield, hence the higher
price.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely nothing;
> > it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>
> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>
> > There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
> > producer/seller decides it is...
>
> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.

The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
"inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.

Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I have
no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.

Quite frankly, I just enjoy shopping there. The meats at Whole Foods are
awesome and they really know how to do customer service. What's more,
for some reason, very attractive women seem to shop there.
Unfortunately, those women always seem to be with a significant other!

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Jeff Bienstadt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> >> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> >> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> >> we'll go!
> >>
> >> Anything special to look for?
>
> > The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.
>
> (laugh!) I'm writing all of the suggestions down on the coupon.
> I started my list with Greek yogurt. Let's see if I manage to use
> my coupon.
>
> nancy

You already went over your coupon with Greek yoghurt.

-bwg
"Bianca. Nobody named Bianca? Well, sorry Bianca's not here. I'll be
glad to
answer her question."
-G.W. Bush

jmcquown wrote:
> I *think* it was Whole Foods where a former co-worker bought some really
> nice chicken/sun dried tomato & basil sausages (in casings). He sliced it
> up, browned it and used it in a pasta dish and let me have a taste of it
> when we were discussing a software problem. Delicious! Look for it.
>
> Jill

Last time I was at a Whole Paycheck they had a shitload (sorry, that's
a technical term) of Bruce Aidells's sausages. Pretty much anything he
makes is good.

-bwg
"[W]e have a strategy."
--G.W. Bush

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> I
> > wouldn't buy bulk foods that are displayed so every filthy crotch
> > scratching booger picker can reach their unwashed ass wipers in... how
> > do you know if that cute babe reaching in just before you washed her
> > hands after renewing her tampon.
>
>
> Yup, EXACTLY. I won't buy bulk food items, food out of bins, etc. You
> don't know what or who's been in it - and you *don't* wanna know either...
>

It's amazing that anyone who shops in an open air market or buys
produce that is not pre-wrapped is even still alive.

> --
> Best
> Greg

Later
-bwg

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Stan Horwitz wrote:

> In article >,
> notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely nothing;
>>> it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>>
>> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>>
>>> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>>> producer/seller decides it is...
>>
>> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
>> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
>> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>
> The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
> "inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
> falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.
>
> Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
> the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I have
> no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.

To the letter.

That still doesn't stop them from buying "organic" coffee from
slash-n-burn agriculturists busy destroying the rainforest.

Tell me again, that buying organic is good for the environment.

I'd advise doing your own homework before buying anything from such an
untrustworthy organization.

Lena

trader joe's uses the same coffee.

Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> Unless we are talking things like sea food. Still no standards for
> Organic on that one.

What about game?

-bwg

"Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
>>>> nothing;
>>>> it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>>>
>>> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>>>
>>>> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>>>> producer/seller decides it is...
>>>
>>> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
>>> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
>>> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>>
>> The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
>> "inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
>> falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.
>>
>> Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
>> the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I have
>> no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.
>
> To the letter.
>
> That still doesn't stop them from buying "organic" coffee from
> slash-n-burn agriculturists busy destroying the rainforest.
>
> Tell me again, that buying organic is good for the environment.
>
> I'd advise doing your own homework before buying anything from such an
> untrustworthy organization.
>

Homework? You have made a lot of claims, not a single one backed by a shred
of evidence - and in fact most of them 100% wrong. It is unusual to see so
much ignorance concentrated in one person.


--
Peter Aitken

Lena B Katz wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
>>>> nothing;
>>>> it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>>>
>>>
>>> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>>>
>>>> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>>>> producer/seller decides it is...
>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
>>> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
>>> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>>
>>
>> The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
>> "inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
>> falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.
>>
>> Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
>> the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I have
>> no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.
>
>
> To the letter.
>
> That still doesn't stop them from buying "organic" coffee from
> slash-n-burn agriculturists busy destroying the rainforest.
>
> Tell me again, that buying organic is good for the environment.
>
> I'd advise doing your own homework before buying anything from such an
> untrustworthy organization.
>
> Lena
>
> trader joe's uses the same coffee.


I've enjoyed your stupidity here on more than one occasion and this is
merely the latest chapter you are writing.

In fact, I'll bet you that more of us here would be willing to trust
Whole Foods than would ever trust you and, especially, your information.

That being said, they are not a store I regularly patronize and I
boycotted them for three years because of their **** poor local
community involvement. That improved, so I visit every so often.


jim

_.-In rec.food.cooking, wrote the following -._
>
> Faux_Pseudo wrote:
>> Unless we are talking things like sea food. Still no standards for
>> Organic on that one.
>
> What about game?

You can't have organic game.
In order to be certified organic you must be able to account for
every bit of food that the critters eat. You can't do this with
seafood and you can't do this for game.

You can have 'free range' game but not 'organic' game.

--
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' ..- .:" ) ( ":. -.. ' | can only think of one way to
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:02:09 -0400, Stan Horwitz >
connected the dots and wrote:

~The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
~"inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
~falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.
The health aspects involve the amount of pesticides and insecticides
left on the produce, or in the meat, after it's been processed or
picked. Washing produce prior to eating it (a vinegar rinse or
hydrogen peroxide spray) removes most traces of the chemicals left, as
well as inactivating some of the bacteria. The amount of runoff from
the regular produce fields is of more concern to me than the
leftovers.

Non-organic farm animals, OTOH, scare me to bits. Not just the
methods used to get that perfectly marbled meat or those outsized
parts, but the treatment of the animals during their short lives.
Residual hormones and antibiotics are a major concern for me and my
family.

~Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that
explains
~the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I
have
~no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.
As far as they go, they do follow their standards, but there are of
course other standards that make WF's look like savagers of the
planet.

~Quite frankly, I just enjoy shopping there. The meats at Whole Foods
are
~awesome and they really know how to do customer service. What's more,
~for some reason, very attractive women seem to shop there.
~Unfortunately, those women always seem to be with a significant
other!

You're going there at the wrong time of day. Find out when the other
local supermarkets do their "single's nights", and go to WF then.
That's when the singles do their shopping<G>

maxine in ri, who used to shop after midnight when she was single

Arri London wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

> > I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> > me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> > and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> > we'll go!

> > Anything special to look for?

Pills. Organic pills for nearly every imaginary illness know to
mankind. Also, fifty-dollar tea sets for overpriced organic herbal
tea.

> Not really. The selections will vary regionally. The fruits and veg are
> rather overpriced. Our local one has a decent wet fish counter. The
> meats are marginal locally. YMMV

"Overpriced produce" is an understatemnt. As someone else mentioned,
their meat selection is not large and is expensive. Of course their
prices no doubt reflect the humane treatment that the animals get
before you-know-what happens to them.

The last time I was in one, I just needed a box of trash bags and was
in a hurry. I couldn't find them and asked for help. It took the
woman I asked about ten-minutes to locate the extra-special,
enviormently f(r)iendly trash bags on the lowest shelf of the section
they were supposed to be in. They only had one brand -- I got the
feeling anything made of plastic was not really welcome in the store.

Oh, don't expect to see any national brand items in Whold Foods. You
can find overpriced, brown, mint flavored toothpaste that's made in
India, but you'll not locate the old run-of-the-mill Crest toothpaste.

I suggest you wander around the store and get a few chuckles at what
you see and only buy whatever that coupon will get you. In short,
Whole Foods suck.

-- Bobbi

On 2005-09-24, > wrote:

> "Overpriced produce" is an understatemnt. As someone else mentioned,
> their meat selection is not large and is expensive. Of course their
> prices no doubt reflect the humane treatment that the animals get
> before you-know-what happens to them.

We don't call 'em Whole Paycheck for nothing!

nb

> wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > I
> > > wouldn't buy bulk foods that are displayed so every filthy crotch
> > > scratching booger picker can reach their unwashed ass wipers in... how
> > > do you know if that cute babe reaching in just before you washed her
> > > hands after renewing her tampon.
> >
> >
> > Yup, EXACTLY. I won't buy bulk food items, food out of bins, etc. You
> > don't know what or who's been in it - and you *don't* wanna know
either...
> >
>
> It's amazing that anyone who shops in an open air market or buys
> produce that is not pre-wrapped is even still alive.


I wash all produce thoroughly when I get it home :-)

--
Best
Greg

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
>> > nothing;
>> > it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...
>>
>> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>>
>> > There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>> > producer/seller decides it is...
>>
>> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
>> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
>> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>
> The idea is that organic foods are supposed to be healthier than
> "inorganic" foods. I won't enter into a debate about the truth or
> falsity of that claim because I am not well informed on that subject.
>
> Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
> the standards the store's buyers use for judging organic foods. I have
> no idea how closely Whole Foods actually follows there own standards.
>
> Quite frankly, I just enjoy shopping there. The meats at Whole Foods
> are
> awesome and they really know how to do customer service. What's more,
> for some reason, very attractive women seem to shop there.
> Unfortunately, those women always seem to be with a significant other!

And actually the US Government now has official standards for "organic"
as used on food packaging in the USA. That includes meat as well. So
whoever said that is incorrect.
del

Del Cecchi wrote:
> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message

>> Be that as it may, each Whole Foods store has a pamphlet that explains
>> Quite frankly, I just enjoy shopping there. The meats at Whole Foods
>> are awesome and they really know how to do customer service. What's more,
>> for some reason, very attractive women seem to shop there.
>> Unfortunately, those women always seem to be with a significant other!

People that shop do all their shopping there are all probably picky
eaters.
>From what I noticed wandering around the store is that most of those
people seem to have lives that revolve around what they eat and how
it's raised.
Listen in on some of the converstaions going on the next time you're
there,
it's a riot.

The store at Bascom and Hamilton in San Jose has a very small meat
section, filled with seven-dollar+ a pound skinless and boneless
chicken breasts, hamburger priced at what other stores price steak, and
other overpriced meat.

> And actually the US Government now has official standards for "organic"
> as used on food packaging in the USA. That includes meat as well. So
> whoever said that is incorrect.

All very true. However, Whole Foods charges more for their organic
goods than other stores do. They seem to be trying to make their
stores the 'in place' to shop for food and the sheeple are buying into
it. It's true that there's a sucker born every minute and plenty of
fools that will easily part with their money.

- Bobbi