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Nancy Young
 
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Default Whole Foods?

I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
we'll go!

Anything special to look for?

nancy



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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy
>
>
>


Cheeses, and organic produce. :-)

And I just LOVE the bath items!!!

The bulk section is kinda scary too.
Hard to get out of there for not much $$$.

Happy shopping!
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In article >,
Jeff Bienstadt > wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> > me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> > and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> > we'll go!
> >
> > Anything special to look for?
> >
> > nancy

>
> The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.
>
> ---jkb


<snicker>
Too damn true....... ;-D
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Om.

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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?



Some of the bulk foods have had good prices. In the regular
supermarket, a little box of falafel mix is outrageous.
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Nancy Young wrote:

> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy


The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.

---jkb

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"Jeff Bienstadt" > wrote in message
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> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>> we'll go!
>>
>> Anything special to look for?


> The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.


(laugh!) I'm writing all of the suggestions down on the coupon.
I started my list with Greek yogurt. Let's see if I manage to use
my coupon.

nancy


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy
>

I *think* it was Whole Foods where a former co-worker bought some really
nice chicken/sun dried tomato & basil sausages (in casings). He sliced it
up, browned it and used it in a pasta dish and let me have a taste of it
when we were discussing a software problem. Delicious! Look for it.

Jill


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
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> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy



Cheeses, chocolate, and organic produce...especially Volcano oranges, but
they're not in season quite yet. Whole Foods is the only place I've found
them locally.
They have an excellent selection of cheeses and olives, and chocolate too.
If you're into olives, try the lemon and garlic...they're outstanding.
They've got a good (but not cheap!) meat department, and some uniques
sausages and kabobs, and their seafood is pretty good. They also have some
bulk items that are hard to find other places, and buying from the bulk
section means you can get as little as you want too! And their bakery has
some sugarfree stuff that is actually good...which is rare.
Have fun!!

kimberly
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Thier cheese selection is good, and for the most part, reasonably
priced. Try the sheep feta.

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As far as the bulk bins are concerned, it it's an item you can taste
first, do it. I got some cashews from a bulk bin at Whole Foods, and
they were stale and mealy. I now take a quick sample first. But it
will take a lot of time for that cashew bin to be used up, and refilled
with fresh.
Cheers, Nancree



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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
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> > The $10 coupon won't make much of a dent. We call it Whole Paycheck.
> >
> > ---jkb

>
> <snicker>
> Too damn true....... ;-D


Yeah, same here, although I have to admit that the local Whole
Paycheck DOES have items that we just can't get anywhere else,
and a lot of the stuff you CAN get elsewhere (especially the seafood)
is simply WAY better there. And as was already mentioned, the bulk
foods aisle is fantastic - no place else around here I can go and get
as big a bag as I like of semolina flour, for instance.


Bob M.


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nancree wrote:
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> As far as the bulk bins are concerned, it it's an item you can taste
> first, do it. I got some cashews from a bulk bin at Whole Foods, and
> they were stale and mealy. I now take a quick sample first. But it
> will take a lot of time for that cashew bin to be used up, and refilled
> with fresh.
> Cheers, Nancree


They also have some nice prepared foods, though I am
reminded of the alleged cashew salad I bought. When
I got home, I discovered the nuts were actually peanuts.
Not only was I ripped off, but had I been allergic to
peanuts this could have been fatal.

I used to like the croutons they made in the store
from (what I assume) was day-old bread from their
bakery. I stopped buying them after getting badly
ripped off buying a package of croutons that had
been repackaged with a new date code but was totally
stale. I think it's fine if they recycle unsold
bread into croutons, but I consider it far beyond
reasonable if they recycle old stale croutons into
"new" ones. That is really trying too hard to make
a fast buck off the customer.
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy
>
>
>


Look for the kind of stuff you don't get in the local
supermarket-particularly fresh produce.


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"Seamus" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thier cheese selection is good, and for the most part, reasonably
> priced. Try the sheep feta.
>


Isn't feta made with sheeps milk anyway?


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Kswck wrote:
> "Seamus" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Thier cheese selection is good, and for the most part, reasonably
> > priced. Try the sheep feta.
> >

>
> Isn't feta made with sheeps milk anyway?

IAW http://www.foodreference.com/html/artfetacheese.html
it can be made from sheep, goat and *more commonly* cow milk.
Whole Foods sells all types.



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"Bob Myers" > wrote in message
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> Yeah, same here, although I have to admit that the local Whole
> Paycheck DOES have items that we just can't get anywhere else,
> and a lot of the stuff you CAN get elsewhere (especially the seafood)
> is simply WAY better there. And as was already mentioned, the bulk
> foods aisle is fantastic - no place else around here I can go and get
> as big a bag as I like of semolina flour, for instance.


I agree completely. They also have King Arthur White Whole Wheat flour,
Health Valley Whole Wheat crackers, and plenty of samples to nibble on
as you walk through the store. Their salads in the deli case are
usually pretty good, too -- got a quinoa salad and orzo w/ spinach there
today. Some of the soups and sushi are good, too.

Chris


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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy
>


I love the olive bar.

On cold days the bakery made marshmallows are wonderful in hot chocolate.

marcella
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"Marcella Peek" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:


>> Anything special to look for?


> I love the olive bar.
>
> On cold days the bakery made marshmallows are wonderful in hot chocolate.


Oh, geez, I can see I'm not getting out of there for cheap.
That's okay. I'll have fun looking around.

nancy


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Nancy Young wrote:

> Oh, geez, I can see I'm not getting out of there for cheap.
> That's okay. I'll have fun looking around.



Remember the rule: Don't go shopping on an empty stomach!

Andy
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In article .com>,
"Seamus" > wrote:

> Thier cheese selection is good, and for the most part, reasonably
> priced. Try the sheep feta.


So's the meat selection, but since everything is organic, its not cheap.
I like the New Zealand lamb chops I sometimes by from Whole Foods as a
treat. The produce there is fine too, but since it has no specicial
preservatives, it doesn't keep as long as "inorganic" produce.


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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?
>
> nancy


If yours is like ours, the cheese, produce, bakery, seafood, and butcher
departments stand out. Pricey, be warned. We spend about 20% of our grocery
$$ there, stuff not available at the Harris Teeter.


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mine here in denver (cherry creek) has a great salad bar i eat at
sometimes if i'm not cooking that night, i've gotton great ideas for
salads just by stuff i mix together.

ours also has an olive bar. on octogon shape bar with lots of different
types and stuffed olives

great for martinis

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nancree wrote:
> As far as the bulk bins are concerned, it it's an item you can taste
> first, do it. I got some cashews from a bulk bin at Whole Foods, and
> they were stale and mealy. I now take a quick sample first. But it
> will take a lot of time for that cashew bin to be used up, and refilled
> with fresh.


Methinks you mean refilled with *more of the same*... there's no reason
to expect they refill from a different batch. Btw, if nuts are left
unsealed for more than a day or two they will no longer be fresh. I
wouldn't buy bulk foods that are displayed so every filthy crotch
scratching booger picker can reach their unwashed ass wipers in... how
do you know if that cute babe reaching in just before you washed her
hands after renewing her tampon. And nuts are expensive, why spend
good money on nuts about to go rancid and/or crawling with pubic
cooties.

Best nuts on the planet he http://www.zenobianut.com

Sheldon

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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Oh, geez, I can see I'm not getting out of there for cheap.
> That's okay. I'll have fun looking around.
>
> nancy



I am guessing your coupon is for opening day/week etc? My friend is a
regional guy for Whole Foods in the SF area and when they open the store
there is always a party the night before. Invites are issued but they
let anyone in the door who shows up. Food freebies are everywhere - the
sushi bar is open, the salad bar, hot food etc., plus vendors have
tables out and about handing out samples. Maybe you need to take a peek
the night before and see if they do this at your store. Then you can
sample lots and decide what you must buy when they open.

marcella
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Stan Horwitz wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "Seamus" > wrote:
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>
>>Thier cheese selection is good, and for the most part, reasonably
>>priced. Try the sheep feta.

>
>
> So's the meat selection, but since everything is organic, its not cheap.
> I like the New Zealand lamb chops I sometimes by from Whole Foods as a
> treat. The produce there is fine too, but since it has no specicial
> preservatives, it doesn't keep as long as "inorganic" produce.


Not all the meat is organic. I would hazard a guess that most of it is
not, in fact.

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aware of the manifold possibilities of the future

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Andy wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
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> > Oh, geez, I can see I'm not getting out of there for cheap.
> > That's okay. I'll have fun looking around.

>
>
> Remember the rule: Don't go shopping on an empty stomach!
>
> Andy


....or read Sheldon's charming post. He has a point, but after reading
it, I have no appetite whatsoever.

Nancy T (who used to love the Berkeley Whole Foods store back in the
good old days)

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:05:16 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>we'll go!
>
>Anything special to look for?


Lobster bisque at the seafood soup bar. The cold salad bar with all
sorts of nice grain salads (there's the health!). The bakery and the
refrigerated dessert section.

The one on Columbus Circle in Manhattan is more like a food village.
Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:05:16 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>we'll go!
>
>Anything special to look for?
>
>nancy
>

D likes their wine selection, but we're not really oenophiles.
There's a nice Portuguese "vinho verde" they sell, but the name
escapes me. Reasonable price for a nice summer sipper. Of course
it's the equinox today, so summer is going out.

Out with a bang if Rita does as predicted to the Texas coast.

modom
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> reminded of the alleged cashew salad I bought. When
> I got home, I discovered the nuts were actually peanuts.
> Not only was I ripped off, but had I been allergic to
> peanuts this could have been fatal.


If you are allergic to peanuts and buy a salad with /any/ nut in it
then you are taking your life into your own hands since most nuts are
all processed/packed with equipment that comes in contact with other
nuts including peanuts.

I remember a fond Christmas where I was going around spreading good
cheer and found a cooky shop that was open and noticed that they
didn't have a "warning if you are allergic to peanuts then don't eat
here" sticker. My girlfriend teases me all the time because I wasn't
content to let it be but had to ask "Why don't you have a sticker
warning people allergic to peanuts that all of your cookies come in
contact with equipment that processes peanuts? Since all of the chain
cooky places have this sticker to avoid being sued out of existence I
would think you would as well."

This was the same day that I notified the Everything-American Shop
that their outside display flag was a faded, tattered disgrace and the
Harley shop was playing Enya.

Man I love Christmas.

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Nancy Young wrote:

> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
> we'll go!
>
> Anything special to look for?



Over - priced and over - hyped. In the last two years I've visited the one
here in my nabe about four times and have spent a grand total of less than
$20.00 altogether...

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Best
Greg





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Sheldon wrote:
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> wouldn't buy bulk foods that are displayed so every filthy crotch
> scratching booger picker can reach their unwashed ass wipers in... how
> do you know if that cute babe reaching in just before you washed her
> hands after renewing her tampon.



Yup, EXACTLY. I won't buy bulk food items, food out of bins, etc. You
don't know what or who's been in it - and you *don't* wanna know either...

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Stan Horwitz wrote:

> So's the meat selection, but since everything is organic, its not cheap.



"Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely nothing;
it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...

There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
producer/seller decides it is...

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Gregory Morrow wrote:

> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
> producer/seller decides it is...



Wrong. There are now Federal standards.

Before that, there were 1) state standards in some states and 2)
organizations which certified food as being organic.

I believe most, if not all, Western European countries also have laws
about what can be called organic.

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at Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:05:16 GMT in >,
(Nancy Young) wrote :

>I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>we'll go!
>

I'm sure there is some local variation. But in my area (Seattle) I've found
the following.

1) The produce section is very poor. What this means is that it has
enormous selection, much of it organic, but virtually none of it local.
What they do bring in from local sources tends to be the lower-grade stuff
- things that don't cut the mustard at the local farmers' markets. But in
general WF relies on wholesale produce trucked in from who-knows-where
grown by larger farms.

2) The meat section isn't far behind. The amount of organic meat isn't
great, pretty inexcusable in an area where there are *many* local organic
meat raisers, much of it of outstanding quality. Again, there's some
reliance on non-local producers. And they aren't reaching for high quality
standards. Most of the beef, for example, is USDA Select.

3) The seafood section is much better. It easily outranks some local
fishmongers in terms of freshness, variety and aggressive seeking of local,
in-season fish. There *are* better fishmongers in Seattle, but you have to
consider both where you are (Seattle is, after all, one of the premier
fishing ports in the USA) and that for a supermarket to be able to compete
with first-tier fishmongers for quality is a real mark of achievement.

4) The dairy section is excellent. They've got more variety and better
sources than just about anywhere else in town. I am impressed especially
with their milk selection where they make a more determined effort that
most other places to find quality choices and to retain local suppliers
when possible.

5) Most of the general grocery sections e.g. boxed cereals, frozen foods,
canned goods etc. are pretty standard, compared to the other "health food"
stores in the area. In other words, they have pretty much the same
selection and the same brands. In general they are no more expensive in
this section than any other store, so at least if you're here for something
else you'll be able to pick up basics here as well.

6) The chocolate selection isn't the best in Seattle, not by a long shot,
but again Seattle has an unusual concentration of stores with superb
chocolate sections. In other cities, WF's chocolate array would be awesome.
However, somebody needs to train the stockists on handling and display.
Much of their high-quality chocolate is right next to the cheese, one of
the biggest no-nos you can do.

7) The bakery section concentrates on pastries for visual appeal. Breads
seem to be an afterthought. It's key in this area to avoid caving in to
pastry temptation too easily because they really make it look indulgent.
The pastries themselves look good and taste OK, although IMHO they could be
better. However, it's hard to argue too hard with a place that uses all
butter instead of resorting to shortening or margarine. And the quality is
way, way better than your standard commercial bakery. Breads, meanwhile,
are pretty average, at least by Seattle standards.

8) Bulk foods is one area where they stand out as well. The difference here
is that they seem to have different choices from what you find at other
health foods stores or bulk outlets. These are not merely really oddball
bulk foods but also things that for some inexplicable reason none of the
other local stores want to carry. Bulk nut selection, for example, is
outstanding, although you do have to watch freshness.

My overall experience then, is this. WF is a great place when they have
something specific that you can't find anywhere else and is very good, and
this is a common enough situation that it'll probably become part of your
shopping for all those specific items. However, it shouldn't replace your
usual stores of choice for everything because you can easily overspend for
second-rate food.

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"Peter Aitken" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote


>> I've never been to one, but I notice they have opened one near
>> me some time ago. We'd already planned to go this weekend,
>> and today I got a $10 coupon in the mail. Alright, alright,
>> we'll go!


> If yours is like ours, the cheese, produce, bakery, seafood, and butcher
> departments stand out. Pricey, be warned. We spend about 20% of our
> grocery $$ there, stuff not available at the Harris Teeter.


That's funny, Harris Teeter. Yeah, my usual store is light years better
than it used to be, halleluliah! but still it's not carrying a lot of stuff
I
think I'll find there. Thanks.

nancy




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On 2005-09-22, Faux_Pseudo > wrote:

> Harley shop was playing Enya.


LOL!....

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On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

> don't know what or who's been in it....


......or what's going to hatch out of it!

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On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

> "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely nothing;
> it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...


"chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.

> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
> producer/seller decides it is...


The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.

nb
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> On 2005-09-22, Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
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>> "Organic" is simply a slick marketing gimmick, it means absolutely
>> nothing;
>> it reminds me of the old "chlorophyll" craze of the early 50's...

>
> "chlorophyll" craze? I don't recall that one.
>
>> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>> producer/seller decides it is...

>
> The biggest issue I have with organics is, it doesn't taste any
> better. If it doesn't taste better, what's the point? Wow, let's pay
> twice the price for something that still tastes like cardboard.
>
> nb


You really don't know the point of organic? There are three:

1) Not eating insecticides, fungicides, and other chemicals that may cause
problems.

2) Letting farmworkers do their job without exposure to poisons.

3) Reducing the environmental harm done by insecticides, fungicides, and
fertilizer runoff.

As for taste, being organic is no guarantee of better taste, but in my
experience the best tasting produce is mostly organic.


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_.-In rec.food.cooking, Dan Goodman wrote the following -._
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
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>> There are no official standards for "organic", it's simply what the
>> producer/seller decides it is...

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>
> Wrong. There are now Federal standards.


Unless we are talking things like sea food. Still no standards for
Organic on that one.
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