[I posted this prior but it seems appropriate with the topic being
discussed again. -- TR]

Being conservative, I'm often shocked at what people will do to their
bodies in order to show how anti-establishment they are. Case in point:
Once upon a time, a young lady in front of me ordered a hot soy milk
drink. (YUCK!)

At some point, she was quite pretty -- I'm sure -- but with all that's
been pinned, painted, and pulled that's now a moot. I'm not sure if
"Goth" is in anymore but the dress was very similar -- black (spandex,
leather, cotton). She'd pinned herself in some very visible and some not
so visible places (but it was cold outside). A triad of steel pins
protruded from the lower lip to just above the chin. Two diamonds were
pinned through the right nostril. A steel horseshoe was run through the
nose ridge between her eyes. Two diamond studs replaced her eyebrows.
Her ears had also been pieced multiple times. There were, uh, two other
noticeable rings, too (reader's imagination required). [All I can say to
this is "OUCH!!" There isn't enough single malt whiskey to give me the
courage to pin myself this often.] She was painted: wrist and ankle
carried Celtic designs, the back of her neck (sun god/goddess), and
cheek carried some tear drops. Her hair was chopped short, dyed deep
blue-black, and spiked.

All I could think of at the time: Why? Doesn't she realize what she'll
look like in 20 years? Pinholes /might/ close, hair can grow back, but
those tattoos are there for life (even if lasers are used to remove
them...)

Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.

The Ranger
--
It's no longer fashion when an obsessive-compulsive disorder takes hold;
it's a mental health issue.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:17:48 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>[I posted this prior but it seems appropriate with the topic being
>discussed again. -- TR]
>
>Being conservative, I'm often shocked at what people will do to their
>bodies in order to show how anti-establishment they are. Case in point:
>Once upon a time, a young lady in front of me ordered a hot soy milk
>drink. (YUCK!)
>
>At some point, she was quite pretty -- I'm sure -- but with all that's
>been pinned, painted, and pulled that's now a moot. I'm not sure if
>"Goth" is in anymore but the dress was very similar -- black (spandex,
>leather, cotton). She'd pinned herself in some very visible and some not
>so visible places (but it was cold outside). A triad of steel pins
>protruded from the lower lip to just above the chin. Two diamonds were
>pinned through the right nostril. A steel horseshoe was run through the
>nose ridge between her eyes. Two diamond studs replaced her eyebrows.
>Her ears had also been pieced multiple times. There were, uh, two other
>noticeable rings, too (reader's imagination required). [All I can say to
>this is "OUCH!!" There isn't enough single malt whiskey to give me the
>courage to pin myself this often.] She was painted: wrist and ankle
>carried Celtic designs, the back of her neck (sun god/goddess), and
>cheek carried some tear drops. Her hair was chopped short, dyed deep
>blue-black, and spiked.
>
>All I could think of at the time: Why? Doesn't she realize what she'll
>look like in 20 years? Pinholes /might/ close, hair can grow back, but
>those tattoos are there for life (even if lasers are used to remove
>them...)
>
>Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.
>
>The Ranger

We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and think, "Look
at those poor savages." Now our current generation seems to be doing
everything to look like them.

Rusty

Rusty > said:

>We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and think, "Look
>at those poor savages." Now our current generation seems to be doing
>everything to look like them.

There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's very, very
black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his forehead. It looks
really sharp! I keep planning on asking him where he's from, but I always
chicken out. I *will* find out what those cool rows are all about, though.

Carol

--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

"Damsel" > wrote in message
...
> Rusty > said:
>
>>We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and think, "Look
>>at those poor savages." Now our current generation seems to be doing
>>everything to look like them.
>
> There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's very,
> very
> black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his forehead. It looks
> really sharp! I keep planning on asking him where he's from, but I always
> chicken out. I *will* find out what those cool rows are all about,
> though.
>
> Carol
>
> --
> Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

I don't know whether this applies to the fellow you are talking about, but I
read a few months ago that a few "stars" are starting to put 'bumps' under
their skin; small to large. No, not botox bumps, or high cheek-bone
bumps, as far as I understood the article.
Yikes!
Dee

Damsel > wrote in
:

> Rusty > said:
>
>>We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and think,
>>"Look at those poor savages." Now our current generation seems to
>>be doing everything to look like them.
>
> There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's
> very, very black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his
> forehead. It looks really sharp! I keep planning on asking him
> where he's from, but I always chicken out. I *will* find out what
> those cool rows are all about, though.

I can tell you right now. They're ritual scarring.

http://www.randafricanart.com/Luba_bowstand.html

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

Damsel wrote:
> Rusty > said:
>
> >We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and think, "Look
> >at those poor savages." Now our current generation seems to be doing
> >everything to look like them.
>
> There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's very, very
> black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his forehead. It looks
> really sharp! I keep planning on asking him where he's from, but I always
> chicken out. I *will* find out what those cool rows are all about, though.

They're indickative of the bumps on his schlong, really... they imbed
little stones under the skin as a rite of passage, like a bar mitzvah
but those thirteen year olds get stoned peepees instead of stoned on
Manischewitz.

Maybe you'll get lucky... report back.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > said:

>Damsel wrote:
>>
>> There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's very, very
>> black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his forehead. It looks
>> really sharp! I keep planning on asking him where he's from, but I always
>> chicken out. I *will* find out what those cool rows are all about, though.
>
>They're indickative of the bumps on his schlong, really... they imbed
>little stones under the skin as a rite of passage, like a bar mitzvah
>but those thirteen year olds get stoned peepees instead of stoned on
>Manischewitz.
>
>Maybe you'll get lucky... report back.

"Stoned for her pleasure"

Carol

--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

"Dee Randall" > said:

>"Damsel" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> There's a guy who works at one of the stores we patronize. He's very,
>> very black. And he has orderly rows of raised bumps on his forehead.
>> It looks really sharp! I keep planning on asking him where he's from, but
>> I always chicken out. I *will* find out what those cool rows are all about,
>> though.
>
>I don't know whether this applies to the fellow you are talking about, but I
>read a few months ago that a few "stars" are starting to put 'bumps' under
>their skin; small to large. No, not botox bumps, or high cheek-bone
>bumps, as far as I understood the article.
>Yikes!

Found it! It's called scarification.
http://my-body-art.com/scarification.htm

The description of the forehead markings sounds a lot like the Store Guy's
markings. This may make him from the Sudan or Ethiopia:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc.../N/Nu/Nuer.htm

This is similar to the SG's:
http://tinyurl.com/dm5ue
OR
http://www.panos.co.uk/bin/panos.dll...htext=00024134

Carol

--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:02:16 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>Some young people resent who you are and what you represent and so they
>do everything they can to shock you. The punk movement is an overt
>rebellion against the established order.

I'm fond of saying that every kid rebels, no matter what length s/he
has to go to in order to do it. In my case, my 25-year old was
blessed/cursed with me, the weird, out-there mommy, so she rebelled
the only way she could. She became a yuppie. (Seriously...bought her
first house with her own money at 19, is on the fast track in retail
management, married a computer/IT geek at 20 (evidently NOBODY gets
married at 20 unless they're pregnant...it still shocks her cow-orkers
that she didn't HAVE to get married) and her stocks and bonds are
doing well - she started buying them her first week in the job
market...at 15)

Jeanne

"The Ranger" > wrote in
:

> All I could think of at the time: Why? Doesn't she realize what
> she'll look like in 20 years? Pinholes /might/ close, hair can
> grow back, but those tattoos are there for life (even if lasers
> are used to remove them...)

Some young people resent who you are and what you represent and so they
do everything they can to shock you. The punk movement is an overt
rebellion against the established order.

> Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.

And if it was, would you love her any less?

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> [I posted this prior but it seems appropriate with the topic being
> discussed again. -- TR]
>
> Being conservative, I'm often shocked at what people will do to their
> bodies in order to show how anti-establishment they are. Case in point:
> Once upon a time, a young lady in front of me ordered a hot soy milk
> drink. (YUCK!)
>
> At some point, she was quite pretty -- I'm sure -- but with all that's
> been pinned, painted, and pulled that's now a moot. I'm not sure if
> "Goth" is in anymore but the dress was very similar -- black (spandex,
> leather, cotton). She'd pinned herself in some very visible and some not
> so visible places (but it was cold outside). A triad of steel pins
> protruded from the lower lip to just above the chin. Two diamonds were
> pinned through the right nostril. A steel horseshoe was run through the
> nose ridge between her eyes. Two diamond studs replaced her eyebrows.
> Her ears had also been pieced multiple times. There were, uh, two other
> noticeable rings, too (reader's imagination required). [All I can say to
> this is "OUCH!!" There isn't enough single malt whiskey to give me the
> courage to pin myself this often.] She was painted: wrist and ankle
> carried Celtic designs, the back of her neck (sun god/goddess), and
> cheek carried some tear drops. Her hair was chopped short, dyed deep
> blue-black, and spiked.
>
> All I could think of at the time: Why? Doesn't she realize what she'll
> look like in 20 years? Pinholes /might/ close, hair can grow back, but
> those tattoos are there for life (even if lasers are used to remove
> them...)
>
> Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.
>
> The Ranger

Oh me oh my oh DEAR! The things some people will do to their mental make-up,
their emotional make-up, the closing off of whole parts of themselves, the
damage they do to themselves in the name of what they unequivocally *know*
is right and wrong - the inner scars - those are the ones that show the
most, and have the most profound negative effects on lives, and not just
their own lives, either ',;~P'''



Shaun aRe - No tattoos (yet?), just 2 piercings, one each earlobe, one 5mm
diameter and soon to be 8mm, the other one 8mm already. Gosh I'm a rebel.

Shaun aRe > wrote in message
eenews.net...
[snip]
> Oh me oh my oh DEAR! [snip]

Prosac. You might like to order a round before you become anymore
unhinged.

> Shaun aRe - No tattoos (yet?), just 2 piercings,

Go back and match the young girl's number and then brag. Till then...
You are borg.

The Ranger
---
Never give the good stuff to the neighbors who wandered over, but always
have something to give them!
-- M. L.'s personal, Code of the West

Michel Boucher > asked in message
...
[snip]
> > Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.

> And if it was, would you love her any less?

It won't happen (with any of them) so it's moot.

The Ranger
---
Better to be called an asshole for being passionately opinionated than
to just be called an asshole because you *are* just an asshole.
Josie's dad, am, 9/29/01

Rusty > wrote in message
...
[snip]
> We used to gaze at the pages of National Geographic and
> think, "Look at those poor savages." Now our current
> generation seems to be doing everything to look like them.

Ain't it the TRVTH.

The Ranger
---
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I
thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the
terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?
So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of
the universe."
-+-+-+ Marcus, 'A Late Delivery From Avalon', Babylon 5

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:40:54 +0100, "Shaun aRe"
> connected the dots and wrote:

~
~"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
~> [I posted this prior but it seems appropriate with the topic being
~> discussed again. -- TR]
~>
~> Being conservative, I'm often shocked at what people will do to
their
~> bodies in order to show how anti-establishment they are. Case in
point:
~> Once upon a time, a young lady in front of me ordered a hot soy
milk
~> drink. (YUCK!)
~>
~> At some point, she was quite pretty -- I'm sure -- but with all
that's
~> been pinned, painted, and pulled that's now a moot. I'm not sure if
~> "Goth" is in anymore but the dress was very similar -- black
(spandex,
~> leather, cotton). She'd pinned herself in some very visible and
some not
~> so visible places (but it was cold outside). A triad of steel pins
~> protruded from the lower lip to just above the chin. Two diamonds
were
~> pinned through the right nostril. A steel horseshoe was run through
the
~> nose ridge between her eyes. Two diamond studs replaced her
eyebrows.
~> Her ears had also been pieced multiple times. There were, uh, two
other
~> noticeable rings, too (reader's imagination required). [All I can
say to
~> this is "OUCH!!" There isn't enough single malt whiskey to give me
the
~> courage to pin myself this often.] She was painted: wrist and ankle
~> carried Celtic designs, the back of her neck (sun god/goddess), and
~> cheek carried some tear drops. Her hair was chopped short, dyed
deep
~> blue-black, and spiked.
~>
~> All I could think of at the time: Why? Doesn't she realize what
she'll
~> look like in 20 years? Pinholes /might/ close, hair can grow back,
but
~> those tattoos are there for life (even if lasers are used to remove
~> them...)
~>
~> Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.
~>
~> The Ranger
~
~Oh me oh my oh DEAR! The things some people will do to their mental
make-up,
~their emotional make-up, the closing off of whole parts of
themselves, the
~damage they do to themselves in the name of what they unequivocally
*know*
~is right and wrong - the inner scars - those are the ones that show
the
~most, and have the most profound negative effects on lives, and not
just
~their own lives, either ',;~P'''
~
~
~
~Shaun aRe - No tattoos (yet?), just 2 piercings, one each earlobe,
one 5mm
~diameter and soon to be 8mm, the other one 8mm already. Gosh I'm a
rebel.
~

My daughter was 7 and we had just moved to a new neighborhood and it
was Girl Scout Cookie time. We went door to door to meet our
neighbors, and she was stunned by the house of the "piercing people" a
couple of 20-somethings with multiple piercings. I prodded her
through her spiel, they excitedly bought a number of boxes, and we
thanked them and left.

When we returned in March to deliver the goodies, an older woman
answered the door, cute as a button, and obviously related to the two
kids. She is their mom, who along with her son, works with
differently abled children at the local school. The daughter is a
sous chef at a local restaurant.

Nice neighbors. They have a dog and several cats.

And daughter has no interest in tats, nor piercings beyond her ears,
which closed up after the first time she plugged them.

maxine in ri

Jeanne Burton > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:02:16 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
>>Some young people resent who you are and what you represent and so
>>they do everything they can to shock you. The punk movement is an
>>overt rebellion against the established order.
>
> I'm fond of saying that every kid rebels, no matter what length
> s/he has to go to in order to do it. In my case, my 25-year old
> was blessed/cursed with me, the weird, out-there mommy, so she
> rebelled the only way she could. She became a yuppie.
> (Seriously...bought her first house with her own money at 19, is
> on the fast track in retail management, married a computer/IT geek
> at 20 (evidently NOBODY gets married at 20 unless they're
> pregnant...it still shocks her cow-orkers that she didn't HAVE to
> get married) and her stocks and bonds are doing well - she started
> buying them her first week in the job market...at 15)

My my...you have some serious karma to deal with seeing as you
twisted that child beyond all human comprehension :-) And to think
that would be some right-winger's pride and joy. But you're the one
she rebels against. The problem is that we don't plan what our
children will rebel against. For example, my daughter's rebellion is
to NOT go to university. She has set her sights on acting instead
and moved across the continent to do it.

But it makes my point. Rebellion is rejection of values. Your
daughter rejected yours. She is doing what society has programmed
her to do which is part of the process of renewal. I suspect
Ranger's daughters rebelled too, only he doesn't know about it :-)

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

"The Ranger" > wrote in
:

> Michel Boucher > asked in message
> ...
> [snip]
>> > Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.
>
>> And if it was, would you love her any less?
>
> It won't happen (with any of them) so it's moot.

But that's not my question.

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

Michel Boucher > wrote in message
...
> "The Ranger" > wrote in
:
> > Michel Boucher > asked in message
...
> > [snip]
> >> > Oh well... Not my daughter-unit, not my worry.

> >> And if it was, would you love her any less?

> > It won't happen (with any of them) so it's moot.

> But that's not my question.

That's the answer, though; like it or not. "It's moot."

ObFood: Pesto Chicken Pizza from Via Mia (shameless plug) on Saratoga
Avenue in San Jose, CA. Delicious and filling all while affordable.

The Ranger
---
I can't wait 'til I'm a teenager! Then you won't be able to order me
around!"
Alpha Ranger, 1234:55, 11/30/02

On June 20, 2005, The Ranger wrote:

<snip>

> ObFood: Pesto Chicken Pizza from Via Mia (shameless plug) on Saratoga
> Avenue in San Jose, CA. Delicious and filling all while affordable.

> The Ranger

Thanks for the tip. I'll try it this week.

kevin > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > ObFood: Pesto Chicken Pizza from Via Mia (shameless
> > plug) on Saratoga Avenue in San Jose, CA. Delicious
> > and filling all while affordable.

> Thanks for the tip. I'll try it this week.

Be sure to check out the coupon combos on their website. Pick-up is also
WAY better than delivery.

The Ranger

In article >,
Jeanne Burton > wrote:

> (evidently NOBODY gets married at 20 unless they're pregnant...it
> still shocks her cow-orkers that she didn't HAVE to get married)

I did! And I swore I was not going to get married before I was 50.
And, no, I wasn't pregnant, but I was the first of my friends to marry
who wasn't pregnant.

Regards,
Ranee

Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/

Hang on, think I just saw a small blip on my radar... nope, nothing there.


Shaun aRe

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Jeanne Burton > wrote:
>
>> (evidently NOBODY gets married at 20 unless they're pregnant...it
>> still shocks her cow-orkers that she didn't HAVE to get married)
>
> I did! And I swore I was not going to get married before I was 50.
> And, no, I wasn't pregnant, but I was the first of my friends to marry
> who wasn't pregnant.

It is a good thing you didn't wait until you were 50! you wouldn't have
the lovely wee family

Shaun aRe > blinked in message
eenews.net...
> Hang on, think I just saw a small blip on my radar...

Which proves my point; thanks for playing.

Objustforshauna Steamed soy milk cut with hot water... Weak and
insipid: just like your bleating commentary.

The Ranger
---
Please don't take this the wrong way, but you really really are a
stupid, inane, vapid and petty little piece of excrement.
- TeaLady, AFU

Jeanne Burton wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:02:16 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Some young people resent who you are and what you represent and so they
>>do everything they can to shock you. The punk movement is an overt
>>rebellion against the established order.
>
>
> I'm fond of saying that every kid rebels, no matter what length s/he
> has to go to in order to do it. In my case, my 25-year old was
> blessed/cursed with me, the weird, out-there mommy, so she rebelled
> the only way she could.
>
She could have rebelled like one kid I knew in college: decided to
become a pastor, and date a rabid right-winger who had been a mercenary
in Rhodesia. When they broke up, he shot her to death in the school
cafeteria. Dead at 21.
blacksalt

kalanamak > wrote in
:

> Jeanne Burton wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:02:16 -0500, Michel Boucher
>> > wrote:
>
> She could have rebelled like one kid I knew in college: decided to
> become a pastor, and date a rabid right-winger who had been a
> mercenary in Rhodesia. When they broke up, he shot her to death in
> the school cafeteria. Dead at 21.

As tragic as that is, it was probably inevitable. By that I mean that
even if she had been told the outcome, she would not necessarily have
acted differently. Anyway, rebellion is not a survival mechanism, it's
a personal gratuitous act on the surface, yet very social in its depth.
My rebellion was to flunk high school until none would have me. I also
had a serious vision problem which no one detected until afterwards so
it wasn't entirely bad will on my part. I did manage to eventually go
to university and obtain both a BA in Classics, pursue studies in
Anthropology and get an MA in History in the course of time.

Obviously, the way to deal with rebellion is to not act in a
conventional way. If you do something unexpected, then you break the
cycle. When my daughter at age 17 established her first relationship
(they start later these days, leastwise around here) I allowed her to
have her boyfriend sleep in her room. She asked and I agreed.
Eventually, his parents did the same and we realized that we slept
better at night knowing where our children were and that they were
safe. I knew she was not going to run away at 18 to get married with
the first person to come along just to get out of the house, like my
cousin did.

There was an interesting episode of Da Vinci's Inquest in the first
year, when he comes home and finds his daughter in her bed with a boy
her age. Da Vinci calmly tells them to get dressed and meet him in the
living room then covers for his daughter with his wife on the phone.
Then he asks to be introduced, shakes the young man's hand and they
start talking. The show ends there, but it's an attitude I found
refreshing for an Anglo show. In Québec, having boys sleep over is
very normal for parents. You want to know your children are safe so
allow them to have a safe environment in which to do what they already
are inclined to do anyway. Also there are fewer chances of unwanted
pregnancies if they're not being rushed. In fact, I don't know of any
among all my cousins' children, and there are quite a few of those.

Eventually, my daughter found it hard to find things to rebel against
so she tells me she's not going to university...like I thought she
would? A friend of ours is taking a hard line with her daughter and
has lost the battle.

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

The Ranger wrote:
> [I posted this prior but it seems appropriate with the topic being
> discussed again. -- TR]
>
> Being conservative, I'm often shocked at what people will do to their
> bodies in order to show how anti-establishment they are. Case in
> point: Once upon a time, a young lady in front of me ordered a hot
> soy milk drink. (YUCK!)
>
> At some point, she was quite pretty -- I'm sure -- but with all that's
> been pinned, painted, and pulled that's now a moot. I'm not sure if
> "Goth" is in anymore but the dress was very similar -- black (spandex,
> leather, cotton). She'd pinned herself in some very visible and some
> not so visible places (but it was cold outside).
(snippage... oh, the humanity!)
> The Ranger

You took some words right out of my mouth! John and I spent yesterday
afternoon at the zoo. I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh tell me
those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a while later and sure
enough, this *toddler* has honest to god tattoos of dragons on his forearms.
Okay, a three year old might be capable of expressing an extreme dislike for
broccoli. But somehow I don't think this same child has the ability to
decide oh yeah, I want dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep
them for the rest of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo
removal scars later. Yes, bring on the needles!

It was very bizarre. If anyone has a right to grow up disliking his/her
parents, there's a kid in the running.

Jill

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> Shaun aRe > blinked in message
> eenews.net...
> > Hang on, think I just saw a small blip on my radar...
>
> Which proves my point;

Inside your personal delusion perhaps.

> thanks for playing.

Oh, you are playing some kind of childish game now are you? Hardly
surprising for one so inflexible, closed minded and opinionated. You just
haven't learned any better.

> Objustforshauna Steamed soy milk cut with hot water... Weak and
> insipid: just like your bleating commentary.

I'm cut to the quick by your vicious 'literary' attack.

Why is it you come off just like a troll that flunked troll school?

TIA for your next crippled reply.

Shaun aRe
--
How delightfully egocentric of you. You must possess huge mass to generate
the amount of gravitational force necessary to keep the Universe
revolving around you.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..



> John and I spent yesterday
> afternoon at the zoo. I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
> first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh tell me
> those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a while later and
sure
> enough, this *toddler* has honest to god tattoos of dragons on his
forearms.
> Okay, a three year old might be capable of expressing an extreme dislike
for
> broccoli. But somehow I don't think this same child has the ability to
> decide oh yeah, I want dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep
> them for the rest of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo
> removal scars later. Yes, bring on the needles!
>
> It was very bizarre. If anyone has a right to grow up disliking his/her
> parents, there's a kid in the running.
>
> Jill

I agree with you entirely with this - it is just plain wrong. However, what
anyone at or above the age where they are allowed to make their own
decisions has every right to do with themselves as they please, the
consequences are entirely their own to bear. Why all the fuss?


Shaun aRe

jmcquown wrote:
I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
> first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh tell me
> those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a while later and sure
> enough, this *toddler* has honest to god tattoos of dragons on his forearms.
> Okay, a three year old might be capable of expressing an extreme dislike for
> broccoli. But somehow I don't think this same child has the ability to
> decide oh yeah, I want dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep
> them for the rest of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo
> removal scars later. Yes, bring on the needles!

Those are just rub-on temporary ones that kids use.
It seems to be that tattoos on women immediately brings to my mind
"Lower socioeconomic class".. they do tend to have fewer teeth, more
bleached hair, dunlap fat hanging over their too low and too tight
jeans....all those "butterflies" and "roses" and other trite "feminine"
symbols just look sad. I can only hope some of those are temporary too
and these women won't have to regret them in years to come?
Goomba (offensively opinionated, for sure!)

Shaun aRe > brayed yet again in message
eenews.net...
[snip of shaun's forgettable dribble and dew]

I knew you were mentally lacking but that you enjoy it to the level
you're exhibiting is hilarious. You're like the boy that hits himself
for the attention it brings him... When the laughs stop coming, he hits
himself harder. Please, continue pounding on yourself, specifically
around the temples. If there are any ball pein hammers to hand, those
are even better.

Objustforshauna Almack's tea.

The Ranger
---
"May you be seated at an all-you-can-eat buffet where sandwiches of JIF
peanut butter and Miracle Whip on Wonder Bread are the only item being
served and where Musak is piped in at Blue Oyster Cult levels with the
mantra of "I love Miracle Whip" to the "Jingle Bell Rock" tune being
played..."

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> Shaun aRe > brayed yet again in message
> eenews.net...
> [snip of shaun's forgettable dribble and dew]

And yet again I am hurt. Why be so mean to me? I'm just a poor, mentally
lacking guy, you big bully. ;-(







Shaun aRe - Again TIA for your next crippled reply.

In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> "Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Jeanne Burton > wrote:
> >
> >> (evidently NOBODY gets married at 20 unless they're pregnant...it
> >> still shocks her cow-orkers that she didn't HAVE to get married)
> >
> > I did! And I swore I was not going to get married before I was 50.
> > And, no, I wasn't pregnant, but I was the first of my friends to marry
> > who wasn't pregnant.
>
> It is a good thing you didn't wait until you were 50! you wouldn't have
> the lovely wee family

*grin* And I was _never_ going to have children.

Regards,
Ranee (poster child for never say never)

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Goomba38 wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
>> first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh
>> tell me those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a while
>> later and sure enough, this *toddler* has honest to god tattoos of
>> dragons on his forearms. Okay, a three year old might be capable of
>> expressing an extreme dislike for broccoli. But somehow I don't
>> think this same child has the ability to decide oh yeah, I want
>> dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep them for the rest
>> of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo removal scars
>> later. Yes, bring on the needles!
>
> Those are just rub-on temporary ones that kids use.

I've seen the temp tattoos; these looked like the bonified real deal to us.
And if so, shame on those parents.

> It seems to be that tattoos on women immediately brings to my mind
> "Lower socioeconomic class".. they do tend to have fewer teeth, more
> bleached hair, dunlap fat hanging over their too low and too tight
> jeans....all those "butterflies" and "roses" and other trite
> "feminine" symbols just look sad. I can only hope some of those are
> temporary too
> and these women won't have to regret them in years to come?
> Goomba (offensively opinionated, for sure!)

jmcquown wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
> >> first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh
> >> tell me those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a while
> >> later and sure enough, this *toddler* has honest to god tattoos of
> >> dragons on his forearms. Okay, a three year old might be capable of
> >> expressing an extreme dislike for broccoli. But somehow I don't
> >> think this same child has the ability to decide oh yeah, I want
> >> dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep them for the rest
> >> of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo removal scars
> >> later. Yes, bring on the needles!
> >
> > Those are just rub-on temporary ones that kids use.
>
> I've seen the temp tattoos; these looked like the bonified real deal to us.
> And if so, shame on those parents.

Most tatoo places refuse to tat anyone under 16. At least all of them
I have ever been to do.

-L.

Goomba38 wrote:
<snip>

> It seems to be that tattoos on women immediately brings to my mind
> "Lower socioeconomic class".. they do tend to have fewer teeth, more
> bleached hair, dunlap fat hanging over their too low and too tight
> jeans....all those "butterflies" and "roses" and other trite "feminine"
> symbols just look sad. I can only hope some of those are temporary too
> and these women won't have to regret them in years to come?
> Goomba (offensively opinionated, for sure!)

I think that used to be the case. In the late 80's and 90's tatoos
became much more main-stream though, and all sorts of people started
getting them. Body modification is now an accepted part of scoiety -
not many people raise an eyebrow (no pun intended) at piercings or
tatoos any longer. In fact, it's all become dross.

What I never understood are the arm and ankle band tatoos. From a
distance, it looks as if one has had a limb cut off and reattached.

-L.

-L. wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> I saw this child who was maybe 3 years old and the
>>>> first words out of my mouth to John after they'd gone by were, "Oh
>>>> tell me those weren't real tattoos." We saw the same family a
>>>> while later and sure enough, this *toddler* has honest to god
>>>> tattoos of dragons on his forearms. Okay, a three year old might
>>>> be capable of expressing an extreme dislike for broccoli. But
>>>> somehow I don't
>>>> think this same child has the ability to decide oh yeah, I want
>>>> dragons tattooed on my arms because I get to keep them for the rest
>>>> of my life, unless I just want some really bad tattoo removal scars
>>>> later. Yes, bring on the needles!
>>>
>>> Those are just rub-on temporary ones that kids use.
>>
>> I've seen the temp tattoos; these looked like the bonified real deal
>> to us. And if so, shame on those parents.
>
> Most tatoo places refuse to tat anyone under 16. At least all of them
> I have ever been to do.
>
> -L.

Which led us to speculate, if they were in fact real, perhaps a family
member is a tattoo artist. I hope they were just really good temp tats but
they sure looked like the real thing to us.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Which led us to speculate, if they were in fact real, perhaps a family
> member is a tattoo artist. I hope they were just really good temp tats but
> they sure looked like the real thing to us.
>
> Jill

Yeah, I thought about that as well. Just sick! But I don't believe in
piercing a baby's ears or circumcision, either.

-L.

-L. wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> It seems to be that tattoos on women immediately brings to my mind
>> "Lower socioeconomic class"
>> Goomba (offensively opinionated, for sure!)
>
> I think that used to be the case.
>
> What I never understood are the arm and ankle band tatoos. From a
> distance, it looks as if one has had a limb cut off and reattached.
>
> -L.

Perhaps they are too cheap to buy actual arm band and ankle bracelet
jewelry. But I have no idea what tattoos cost!

Jill

On 22 Jun 2005 14:53:53 -0700, -L. wrote:

> Goomba38 wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > It seems to be that tattoos on women immediately brings to my mind
> > "Lower socioeconomic class".. they do tend to have fewer teeth, more
> > bleached hair, dunlap fat hanging over their too low and too tight
> > jeans....all those "butterflies" and "roses" and other trite "feminine"
> > symbols just look sad. I can only hope some of those are temporary too
> > and these women won't have to regret them in years to come?
> > Goomba (offensively opinionated, for sure!)
>
> I think that used to be the case. In the late 80's and 90's tatoos
> became much more main-stream though, and all sorts of people started
> getting them. Body modification is now an accepted part of scoiety -
> not many people raise an eyebrow (no pun intended) at piercings or
> tatoos any longer. In fact, it's all become dross.
>
> What I never understood are the arm and ankle band tatoos. From a
> distance, it looks as if one has had a limb cut off and reattached.
>

Oh, you're such an old fuddy duddy.... but if that makes you one, then
I am too!