This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S. You
should just hide your tail between your legs and bow the **** out
right now and just observe. And anybody who replies to somebody
outside the U.S, can just **** off too. THIS IS NOT THEIR THREAD
and have some respect for others here and yourself. You know who
your are.

That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
"place".

Are you anxiously waiting for a personal vaccination, have you tried
to get on any and/or every local list? Has you doctor/clinic
notified you of how you might get on a list or what category of
people who are before you and your place in "The List"? Do you
trust your doctor/clinic or somehow notify these people in charge of
"The list"

Or maybe you're just waiting for your name to come up on.... I don't
know..."some list"... somewhere, or even more apathetic... I don't
give a shit - "If I come up on a list, meh - maybe. We'll see"

How is your State handling this and are you concerned, worried,
fretful, for you or your family? I think most of here are in the
"meh - IDGAF" category because of our old grunty-**** nature, but
I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.

Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?

Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
family and loved ones in your situation.

The riddle above is of no concern.

-sw

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:59:07 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S. You
>should just hide your tail between your legs and bow the **** out
>right now and just observe. And anybody who replies to somebody
>outside the U.S, can just **** off too. THIS IS NOT THEIR THREAD
>and have some respect for others here and yourself. You know who
>your are.

You sure got me interested and ready to get involved!

<but it's totally boring>

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:59:12 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S. You
> should just hide your tail between your legs and bow the **** out
> right now and just observe. And anybody who replies to somebody
> outside the U.S, can just **** off too. THIS IS NOT THEIR THREAD
> and have some respect for others here and yourself. You know who
> your are.
>
> That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
> vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
> feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
> "place".

I'm 63. I figure it'll be a while before I have a place so I'm not paying
much attention.

Cindy Hamilton

Sqwertz wrote:
> I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
> ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.

I'm somewhat high on the priority list. 67.5 years old and mild asthma,
but I'm not rushing out to get an early one.

Although this virus is certainly a real problem, the news media is
having fun throwing "fuel into the fire" and creating a real panic. I've
stopped watching national news with all their daily death counts, etc.

They've done this every year even with the regular flu.
Good ratings and even better now.

>
> Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
> that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
> die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
> you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
> give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?

One dose in my pocket, I'd take it or maybe give to my mom. Nice to have
her still around. (She's 89.5)

6,200 other doses in my pocket? I'd give them to whoever wanted one,
first come first serve. Just ask me, I'm here.

>
> Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
> family and loved ones in your situation.

Again, the public is being herded off the cliff in a panic. Screw that crap.

The vaccines are emergency approved and only semi tested. No one knows
how long they will last of even how well they work. The new
Johnson&Johnson vaccine about to be approved sounds like a better one to me.

As for me - I'll just continue with what I've been doing for almost the
last year. Only shop when I need to and wear a mask when in those
stores. Also wash or sanitize my hands after leaving those stores.
I've done the hand cleaning thing for many years just for regular flu
and it does work well.

Once the masses have gotten their vaccines and I can go to a drug store
or my doctor to get a vaccine within minutes, I might consider doing
that. No way will I stand in long lines to get one. No way will I stand
in long lines to get *anything* like those super sales the stores give
the day after Thanksgiving.

"and if I die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take"

Sqwertz wrote:
....
> That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
> vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
> feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
> "place".

doing ok. not the best, not the worst. i check
"doses administered" in both the first and second to
see how many have been given .vs those distributed.

since i am only moderately at risk i don't fall
into any of the early categories that went first.

i figure it may be a month or two before i can
get the first shot and things may change rapidly if
the new variants become more widely distributed and
increase the number of cases to where the hospitals
get overwhelmed again.


songbird

On 1/31/2021 6:13 AM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
>> ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.
>
> I'm somewhat high on the priority list. 67.5 years old and mild asthma,
> but I'm not rushing out to get an early one.
>
> Although this virus is certainly a real problem, the news media is
> having fun throwing "fuel into the fire" and creating a real panic. I've
> stopped watching national news with all their daily death counts, etc.
>
> They've done this every year even with the regular flu.
> Good ratings and even better now.
>
>>
>> Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
>> that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
>> die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
>> you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
>> give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?
>
> One dose in my pocket, I'd take it or maybe give to my mom. Nice to have
> her still around. (She's 89.5)
>
> 6,200 other doses in my pocket? I'd give them to whoever wanted one,
> first come first serve. Just ask me, I'm here.
>
>>
>> Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
>> family and loved ones in your situation.
>
> Again, the public is being herded off the cliff in a panic. Screw that crap.
>
> The vaccines are emergency approved and only semi tested. No one knows
> how long they will last of even how well they work. The new
> Johnson&Johnson vaccine about to be approved sounds like a better one to me.
>
> As for me - I'll just continue with what I've been doing for almost the
> last year. Only shop when I need to and wear a mask when in those
> stores. Also wash or sanitize my hands after leaving those stores.
> I've done the hand cleaning thing for many years just for regular flu
> and it does work well.
>
> Once the masses have gotten their vaccines and I can go to a drug store
> or my doctor to get a vaccine within minutes, I might consider doing
> that. No way will I stand in long lines to get one. No way will I stand
> in long lines to get *anything* like those super sales the stores give
> the day after Thanksgiving.
>
> "and if I die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take"
>
>
>
>

Yeah, what Gary said.

One more note: On Maui, the health department planned an event to
administer 68 doses. Word got out and qualified recipients showed up,
and the health department gave out 750 doses. At the same location,
with the same number of personnel, and in the same amount of time. So
why did they carefully plan to give out only 68 doses? And yet, no
heads are rolling.

On 1/31/2021 3:59 AM, Sqwertz wrote:

> That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
> vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
> feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
> "place".
>
> Are you anxiously waiting for a personal vaccination, have you tried
> to get on any and/or every local list? Has you doctor/clinic
> notified you of how you might get on a list or what category of
> people who are before you and your place in "The List"? Do you
> trust your doctor/clinic or somehow notify these people in charge of
> "The list"

Seems like many states did not plan very well. Florida sort of had a
plan but let the counties figure how to administer it.

Just in the past few days the state made a web site where anyone can
sign up if in the current eligibility range, over 65. Your name gets on
a list and they will notify you when appointments are available. My
county did the same thing but beat the state by 2 weeks.

The problem is some counties had you call or go on line for an
appointment. The start time is 8 AM Monday. So at 8 AM you have most
of the 200,000 people calling and wondering why they can't get through.
Or the web site crashes.

Now, you can take your time, get on the list, and be called when they
pull your name randomly. Perfect? No, but as good as any plan.

The state can handle many more doses if the vaccine was available. The
capacity is available, the supply is not.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:59:07 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:


snip
>
>Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
>family and loved ones in your situation.
>
>The riddle above is of no concern.
>
>-sw

I am irritated. Feb. 1 is the start for anyone above 65 in my state.
They are allowing just 2 weeks for that. They want to do over 80 yo
first. They will start giving shots on the 1st but you cannot make an
appointment until the 1st. They want eligible people to self regulate
by allowing those over 80 and the really sick to get appointments
first. Yeah, right. How do you figure that will work out?
Phone in only.
I live in a red state. I wouldn't expect anything but a plan with no
thought behind it.
Janet US

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:59:07 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S. You
>should just hide your tail between your legs and bow the **** out
>right now and just observe. And anybody who replies to somebody
>outside the U.S, can just **** off too. THIS IS NOT THEIR THREAD
>and have some respect for others here and yourself. You know who
>your are.
>
>That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
>vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
>feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
>"place".
>
>Are you anxiously waiting for a personal vaccination, have you tried
>to get on any and/or every local list? Has you doctor/clinic
>notified you of how you might get on a list or what category of
>people who are before you and your place in "The List"? Do you
>trust your doctor/clinic or somehow notify these people in charge of
>"The list"
>
>Or maybe you're just waiting for your name to come up on.... I don't
>know..."some list"... somewhere, or even more apathetic... I don't
>give a shit - "If I come up on a list, meh - maybe. We'll see"
>
>How is your State handling this and are you concerned, worried,
>fretful, for you or your family? I think most of here are in the
>"meh - IDGAF" category because of our old grunty-**** nature, but
>I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
>ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.
>
>Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
>that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
>die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
>you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
>give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?
>
>Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
>family and loved ones in your situation.
>
>The riddle above is of no concern.

None of your business. You don't even say please. So YOU can just ****
off.

US Janet wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:59:07 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
> snip
> >
> >Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
> >family and loved ones in your situation.
> >
> >The riddle above is of no concern.
> >
> >-sw
> I am irritated. Feb. 1 is the start for anyone above 65 in my state.
> They are allowing just 2 weeks for that. They want to do over 80 yo
> first. They will start giving shots on the 1st but you cannot make an
> appointment until the 1st. They want eligible people to self regulate
> by allowing those over 80 and the really sick to get appointments
> first. Yeah, right. How do you figure that will work out?
> Phone in only.
> I live in a red state. I wouldn't expect anything but a plan with no
> thought behind it.
> Janet US


NOBODY's as bad as blew state Illannoy, lol...

https://wirepoints.org/illinois-vacc...se-wirepoints/

Illinois Vaccine Rollout Is A Fiasco In Progress And Theres No Excuse €“ Wirepoints

January 28, 2021

"For at least six months weve known that a vaccine was coming. It would have been easy €“ yes, easy €“ to build a simple system that people could understand for making appointments to get the vaccine.

That wasnt done, so the predictable mess has ensued.

And the priorities by which people are getting the vaccine continues to make little sense.

Trying to make a reservation for those now eligible for the vaccine €“ people 65 and over and certain essential employees €“ is a frustrating waste of time, unless perhaps you have clout.

Go to our site to make a reservation, the Illinois Department of Public Health says routinely. Try it. It doesnt work. Its worthless.. And dont try the virtual assistant, which seems to be some kind of cruel joke.

Or do it through the private sector providers like CVS, Walgreens, Jewel-Osco and others, IDHP and local officials say. Sorry, they dont work, either.

Not only are registrations unavailable but there is no system to notify you when openings arise.

And so we have hundreds of thousands of senior Illinoisans wasting countless hours on nothing, and no system to push a notification on availability to them.

The stories from those frustrated are consistent in the press and in emails we have received. Some were printed in the Chicago Tribune Wednesday.

Some of the frustrated are over 90-years old with preconditions and unable to get any help. Some may be lucky enough to have a relative but they cant usually help, either. My colleague, Ted Dabrowski, spent time trying to schedule his 81-year old mother. No luck.

And even if you are lucky enough to get the vaccine you may be frustrated trying to get the needed second booster. As one man in that situation told ABC Chicago, €œThey have to have a system where if you get the first shot, you can get the second shot because otherwise where are we? And, its probably only going to get worse as more and more people do get their first dose.€�

That person also stated whats most important: €œThis can be solved with a database, callback system, automated, on the web, make the websites better. These are all doable.€�

Hes right. It would not have been difficult at all for even a small, moderately skilled group of web and computer folks to build such a system in very short order. It should have been done months ago.

Who is to blame?

It appears there is plenty of blame to go around €“ federal, state and local governments as well as the private sector providers who were contracted by the federal government. Some of the finger pointing is discussed here by WGLT.

Unquestionably, however, the state should have ensured that a reliable system was tested and ready long ago.

We fully understand and accept that Illinois is at the mercy of how many vaccines it gets, and that the state does not yet have enough to cover nearly the entire population of eligible Phase 1B recipients. But this is about the procedure for scheduling them.

A separate matter is why so many elderly in long-term care remain unvaccinated. They account for half of Illinois COVID deaths and were supposed to be included in the first group vaccinated, Phase 1A.

But four weeks into vaccinations at Illinois nursing homes, nearly 80% of the doses for the campaign are still waiting to be used, according to WBEZ. Illinois has just 1,200 LTC facilities with about 100,000 residents, according to IDHP, and the state or its providers did receive the vaccine for all of them.

Vaccinating that group should not be such a heavy lift, wrote WBEZ, citing Dr. Ronald Hershow, who directs epidemiology and biostatistics in the University of Illinois at Chicagos School of Public Health. Gov. JB Pritzker and the private sector providers are pointing fingers at each other over that, too. If there is any excuse for not having them vaccinated it is unknown to us.

The bottom line on this discussion so far is to look at how many vaccines Illinois has administered compared to how many have been distributed to it, and that number is not good. Only 47.6% of the vaccines Illinois has received have been administered as of January 27, ranking it number 43 in the nation.

And we we continue to see little sense in who is getting the vaccinations €” the priority rules used not just in Illinois but many other states. €œ(U)sing logic that would put €œAlice in Wonderlands€� Mad Hatter to shame, the new vaccines have been more frequently administered first to healthier, younger people instead of those at risk to die.€� Thats from a Wednesday column in RealClear by Scott W. Atlas, MD, the former White House advisor and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

Specifically, its only those about age 60 and older who face any material risk, plus a small number of others with certain comorbidities. Yet €œessential workers€� are taking up much of the vaccine allotments no matter what their age. Also getting priority are healthcare professionals working from home on computers.

You have to wonder if clout doesnt have something to do with how public workers are getting the vaccine. That includes Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, who got it recently. At age 58 and healthy as far as we know, as an €œessential worker€� she is in the same 1B category as everybody 65 and older. How was she able to get a shot while so many others have been frustrated? Did she spend hours online like everybody else and luck out?

And why does vaccination policy entirely ignore the reality that millions of Illinoisans are already immune because they were already infected? Yet another study published recently confirms that immunity (two of the earlier studies are described here). Over half of Illinois population has already acquired immunity based on CDC numbers.

Young, healthy individuals who have already acquired immunity should, at a minimum, be discouraged from getting the vaccine until those at risk are vaccinated. They €œshould not be immediate priorities,€� wrote Atlas in that RealClear article, and he added that their immunity is €œnot even acknowledged.€�

We, too, have been frustrated with how that matter has been ignored.

Add it to the list of frustrations and unanswered questions...


*Mark Glennon is founder of Wirepoints.

On 1/31/2021 2:28 PM, GM wrote:

> NOBODY's as bad as blew state Illannoy, lol...
>
> https://wirepoints.org/illinois-vacc...se-wirepoints/
>
> Illinois Vaccine Rollout Is A Fiasco In Progress And Theres No Excuse €“ Wirepoints
>
> January 28, 2021

>
> Hes right. It would not have been difficult at all for even a small, moderately skilled group of web and computer folks to build such a system in very short order. It should have been done months ago.
>
> Who is to blame?
>
> It appears there is plenty of blame to go around €“ federal, state and local governments as well as the private sector providers who were contracted by the federal government. Some of the finger pointing is discussed here by WGLT.
>
> Unquestionably, however, the state should have ensured that a reliable system was tested and ready long ago.
>

Lack of planning seems rampant at all levels. Early registration would
alleviate the congestion as it could have been done over a period of
week, maybe months. Not 200,000 people calling today for the shots
available this week.

I had to laugh at one report on the news. People were demanding the
county fire the people that set up the website. OK, now you have a week
to find another company and have them set it up. Yeah, that won't happen.

I'm staying home tomorrow. Our county is calling 5100 people to make
appointments. I may not get a call but I do want to be here if they do.
They have my number.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:59:07 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S. You
>should just hide your tail between your legs and bow the **** out
>right now and just observe. And anybody who replies to somebody
>outside the U.S, can just **** off too. THIS IS NOT THEIR THREAD
>and have some respect for others here and yourself. You know who
>your are.
>
>That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
>vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
>feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
>"place".

I am awaiting my second Moderna vaccine dose.

The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
lack of vaccine causes glitches.

Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.

One of the biggest hurdles to getting appointments here in NJ, is that
most facilities will only accept one appt per IP and some do not like
to cell phones. That is ok for me, as I have access to a lot of
devices, but it is by pure happenstance that I got an appointment.
Many seniors are not computer savvy enough to play the re-load the
page game that can make the difference in a queue. It's like getting
Springsteen or Hamilton tickets, but mortally dangerous if it fails.

One of my kids, who works at a NYC hospital and always seeking vaccine
access for his discharging patients, saw a facility open appointments
here in NJ. He bopped to the nurses's station and got this set up for
me, his step-father, his father and his step-mother. Purely right
time, right place. He, himself, was vaccinated as part of his hospital
program, but no one in the family has been able to find an appt for
one of the other kids, who is also qualified. That kid is waitlisted
and when more vaccines are available, I assume she will get her
email/phone call/text message. The hospital kid has also taken it upon
himself to try to find appts for some elderly and infirm friends of
the family, who would be utterly confounded by signing up themselves
or even arranging transport to a vaccination facility. No line
jumping- none of this is done through his hospital or his medical
connections. Mostly it is a result of his familiarity with med
computer systems in general, and his many years playing fast paced
video games on different platforms- at least that is what I tease him
about.

We've a large storm coming in tonight that will last until Tuesday.
Vaccine distribution centers in NJ, NY & CT are scrambling to
re-arrange appointments. It just adds another wrinkle onto a system
that is groaning under supply and demand difficulties.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S.
>
> That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
> vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
> feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
> "place".
>
For about the last week, not really sure how long, but vacations have been
available at the local health departments in my city. By appointment only,
though. This past Friday my sister-in-law's mother got hers and she's 83.
>
> Are you anxiously waiting for a personal vaccination, have you tried
> to get on any and/or every local list? Has you doctor/clinic
> notified you of how you might get on a list or what category of
> people who are before you and your place in "The List"? Do you
> trust your doctor/clinic or somehow notify these people in charge of
> "The list"
>
No to all the questions in this paragraph with the exception of trusting
my doctor/clinic notifying people in charge of "The list." I've not attempted
to get the vaccine.
>
> Or maybe you're just waiting for your name to come up on.... I don't
> know..."some list"... somewhere, or even more apathetic... I don't
> give a shit - "If I come up on a list, meh - maybe. We'll see"
>
I've not attempted to contact or make an appointment for the vaccine.
>
> How is your State handling this and are you concerned, worried,
> fretful, for you or your family? I think most of here are in the
> "meh - IDGAF" category because of our old grunty-**** nature, but
> I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
> ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.
>
I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
about my family.
>
> Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
> that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
> die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
> you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
> give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?
>
???????????????????????????????
>
> Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
> family and loved ones in your situation.
>
Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>
> The riddle above is of no concern.
>
> -sw

wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S.
> >
> > That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
> > vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
> > feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
> > "place".
> >
> For about the last week, not really sure how long, but vacations have been
> available at the local health departments in my city. By appointment only,
> though. This past Friday my sister-in-law's mother got hers and she's 83.
> >
> > Are you anxiously waiting for a personal vaccination, have you tried
> > to get on any and/or every local list? Has you doctor/clinic
> > notified you of how you might get on a list or what category of
> > people who are before you and your place in "The List"? Do you
> > trust your doctor/clinic or somehow notify these people in charge of
> > "The list"
> >
> No to all the questions in this paragraph with the exception of trusting
> my doctor/clinic notifying people in charge of "The list." I've not attempted
> to get the vaccine.
> >
> > Or maybe you're just waiting for your name to come up on.... I don't
> > know..."some list"... somewhere, or even more apathetic... I don't
> > give a shit - "If I come up on a list, meh - maybe. We'll see"
> >
> I've not attempted to contact or make an appointment for the vaccine.
> >
> > How is your State handling this and are you concerned, worried,
> > fretful, for you or your family? I think most of here are in the
> > "meh - IDGAF" category because of our old grunty-**** nature, but
> > I've heard thousands of 18-37 year old's who will do anything,
> > ridiculous, to get on a list, illegal or not.
> >
> I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
> about my family.
> >
> > Pretend you have a vaccine in your pocket you can inject any time
> > that will protect your for life instantly. You're old and bound to
> > die within 6.5 years (give or take - Maybe April 14th). Now, pretend
> > you have 6,200 vaccines in your pocket. What group of people do you
> > give the 6,201 doses to? Do you take one?
> >
> ???????????????????????????????
> >
> > Digress: How, or does the vaccine situation feel to you and/or your
> > family and loved ones in your situation.
> >
> Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.


Same here, and all of the excess hysteria is a "manufactured crisis", especially the Blue State lockdowns...we've been played for fools by the "experts"...

--
Best
Greg

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>about my family.

That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.

>Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.

That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
Republicans don't believe in science.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:19:01 +1100, Master Bruce
> wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:
>
>>I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>>about my family.
>
>That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>
>>Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>
>That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
>Republicans don't believe in science.

LOL.More lefty black is white and down is up rhetoric. Meanwhile, in
the real world---

Science and the Left
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publi...e-and-the-left

The left is also guilty of unscientific dogma
https://qz.com/1177154/political-sci...fic-dogma-too/

The Liberals' War on Science

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ar-on-science/

wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:19:01 +1100, Master Bruce
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
> >>about my family.
> >
> >That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
> >because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
> >
> >>Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
> >
> >That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
> >Republicans don't believe in science.
> LOL.More lefty black is white and down is up rhetoric. Meanwhile, in
> the real world---
>
> Science and the Left
> https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publi...e-and-the-left
>
> The left is also guilty of unscientific dogma
> https://qz.com/1177154/political-sci...fic-dogma-too/
>
> The Liberals' War on Science
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ar-on-science/


Thank you for posting, John...!!!

:-)

--
Best
Greg

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:34:55 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

> wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:19:01 +1100, Master Bruce
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>> >>about my family.
>> >
>> >That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>> >because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>> >
>> >>Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>> >
>> >That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
>> >Republicans don't believe in science.
>> LOL.More lefty black is white and down is up rhetoric. Meanwhile, in
>> the real world---
>>
>> Science and the Left
>> https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publi...e-and-the-left
>>
>> The left is also guilty of unscientific dogma
>> https://qz.com/1177154/political-sci...fic-dogma-too/
>>
>> The Liberals' War on Science
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ar-on-science/
>
>
>Thank you for posting, John...!!!
>
>:-)

Druce might also be interested in explaining why scientists can no
longer discuss basic biological scientific facts pertaining to gender
without being canceled or threatened with violence? Yeah--- like not
even ONE of these intolerant bigoted assholes are even remotely right
wing. Correct?

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
> >about my family.
>
> That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
> because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>
It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.

The first of December I was at my doctors office for a 6-month checkup. I
inquired how many patients had been stricken? A total of 7 since all this
started, two were hospitalized, and all recovered.
>
> >Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>
> That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
> Republicans don't believe in science.
>
Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.

On 2021-01-31 6:54 p.m., wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>>> about my family.
>>
>> That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>> because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>>
> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
> single person who's had it.

Wow. You are lucky. I know a few people who have had it. One died of it
very early in the pandemic. My wife is on the executive for an
association of retired teachers and knew 5 or 6 who died of it. My niece
in California has lost four friends to it.



> Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
> quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
> dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
> wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
> Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.

I confess that I have questions about mask wearing when in public. I do
it because we have to when indoors in publicly accessed areas. I had
issues with people who said to look at the science. I have done
university level research. I was a lab demonstrator in a experimental
Psychology. My first job out of university was in educational research.
I learned that research empirical methods that can be replicated and
yield the same results. Yet, every week or two they came out with new
rules about masks that claimed to be based on science. Scientific
findings are supposed to be consistent. They don't change every week.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:54:49 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>> >about my family.
>>
>> That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>> because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>>
>It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
>you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
>niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
>for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
>No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.
>
>The first of December I was at my doctors office for a 6-month checkup. I
>inquired how many patients had been stricken? A total of 7 since all this
>started, two were hospitalized, and all recovered.
>>
>> >Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>>
>> That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
>> Republicans don't believe in science.
>>
>Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
>quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
>dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
>wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
>Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.

Nor does it encourages trust when Fauci states emphatically that masks
are not necessary, when it turns out he only said that because of a
(then) mask shortage. Is that legitimate medical advice or a person
that you can trust?

And now his pathetic attention seeking in regards to Trump shows what
a weak individual he really is. It's shameful and unprofessional
behavior for somebody supposedly an authority we are supposed to take
advice from. Did he for even one second consider that he has now
alienated roughtly 50% of voters with that performance? Why would they
listen to him now?

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:54:49 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>> >about my family.
>>
>> That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>> because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>>
>It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
>you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
>niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
>for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
>No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.

Yes, it often goes like that. But not everybody's so lucky. One
objective way to look at is, is to compare normal quarterly or monthly
death figures to the current death figures. You'll then see that the
actual figures are consistently 10-15% higher than statistically
expected. That probably gives you the covid death toll.

>The first of December I was at my doctors office for a 6-month checkup. I
>inquired how many patients had been stricken? A total of 7 since all this
>started, two were hospitalized, and all recovered.
>>
>> >Meh. I have no confidence in the CDC, Dr. Fauci, or any of the alarmists.
>>
>> That's because you're a Republican. Fauci is a scientist and
>> Republicans don't believe in science.
>>
>Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
>quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
>dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
>wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
>Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.

It's a new virus, so they're still learning. And the 98.5% includes
lots of young people. If you only look at 60+ or 70+, the percentage
will be a lot higher. I don't think older people are a negligible
group. Look at the RFC people. Where would the US be without people
like them?

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2021-01-31 6:54 p.m., wrote:
> >
> > It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
> > single person who's had it.
> >
> Wow. You are lucky. I know a few people who have had it. One died of it
> very early in the pandemic. My wife is on the executive for an
> association of retired teachers and knew 5 or 6 who died of it. My niece
> in California has lost four friends to it.
>
Truly, I know of no one who has had it. Not a single person in my neighborhood
either.
>
> > Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
> > quarantine times.
> > Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.
> >
> I confess that I have questions about mask wearing when in public. I do
> it because we have to when indoors in publicly accessed areas.
>
There's been lots of grumblings here because the governor won't issue a
mask mandate. What does it matter? I've yet to see a single store of a.n.y.
kind that does not have a notice on their door "Mask Required to Enter."
No mask, they escort you from the store immediately. None of the city
government offices can be entered without a mask. Of course no
federal building can be entered into without a mask, but there are
still whiners because the governor won't sign a piece of paper.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:16:26 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:54:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
> >single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
> >you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
> >niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
> >for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
> >No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.
> >
> Yes, it often goes like that. But not everybody's so lucky. One
> objective way to look at is, is to compare normal quarterly or monthly
> death figures to the current death figures. You'll then see that the
> actual figures are consistently 10-15% higher than statistically
> expected. That probably gives you the covid death toll.
>
You mean look at those padded numbers and then believe it? Those numbers
that include heart attacks, strokes, car wrecks, cancer, etc. that are listed as
Covid-19 so they will receive even more government funding?
>
> >Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
> >quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
> >dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
> >wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
> >Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.
> >
> It's a new virus, so they're still learning. And the 98.5% includes
> lots of young people. If you only look at 60+ or 70+, the percentage
> will be a lot higher. I don't think older people are a negligible
> group. Look at the RFC people. Where would the US be without people
> like them?
>
We'll see if the numbers are once again padded and once again dire warnings
are issued. Now they're saying we should be wearing two (2) masks at once.
Maybe by Easter we'll be wearing three (3) masks; probably by summer we
should all be wearing sealed plastic bags over our heads. That'll stop that
virus for sure.
<eye roll>

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:30:16 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:16:26 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:54:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>> >single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
>> >you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
>> >niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
>> >for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
>> >No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.
>> >
>> Yes, it often goes like that. But not everybody's so lucky. One
>> objective way to look at is, is to compare normal quarterly or monthly
>> death figures to the current death figures. You'll then see that the
>> actual figures are consistently 10-15% higher than statistically
>> expected. That probably gives you the covid death toll.
>>
>You mean look at those padded numbers and then believe it? Those numbers
>that include heart attacks, strokes, car wrecks, cancer, etc. that are listed as
>Covid-19 so they will receive even more government funding?

You don't understand what I mean. Don't look at reported causes of
death. Just look at how many people normally die in a
state/province/country, year in, year out. Then look at the data of
the recent same period. The number will be consistently 10-15% higher.
That's likely to be the covid factor.

>> >Even Fauci said he was wrong in some of his statements and overestimated
>> >quarantine times. Also because e.v.e.r.y. - s.i.n.g.l.e. - d.a.y. there was yet another
>> >dire warning if we don't do this, do that, must not do this, must not do that, better
>> >wear this, better not wear that, an endless list, and 98.5% of the people survived.
>> >Padding the number of victims does not inspire trust.
>> >
>> It's a new virus, so they're still learning. And the 98.5% includes
>> lots of young people. If you only look at 60+ or 70+, the percentage
>> will be a lot higher. I don't think older people are a negligible
>> group. Look at the RFC people. Where would the US be without people
>> like them?
>>
>We'll see if the numbers are once again padded and once again dire warnings
>are issued. Now they're saying we should be wearing two (2) masks at once.
>Maybe by Easter we'll be wearing three (3) masks; probably by summer we
>should all be wearing sealed plastic bags over our heads. That'll stop that
>virus for sure.
><eye roll>

I think certain guidelines have changed because of the UK and the SA
variants of the virus.

On 1/31/2021 6:54 PM, wrote:

> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
> single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
> you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
> niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
> for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
> No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.

I guess you are fortunate. My granddaughter in Las Vegas has it a
couple of friends had it, one of my friends died from it a couple of
weeks ago.

I take precautions and will get the vaccine. 430,000 dead so far.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:43:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/31/2021 6:54 PM, wrote:
>
>> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>> single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
>> you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
>> niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
>> for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
>> No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.
>
> I guess you are fortunate. My granddaughter in Las Vegas has it a
> couple of friends had it, one of my friends died from it a couple of
> weeks ago.
>
> I take precautions and will get the vaccine. 430,000 dead so far.

Shhhh! Nobody's listening!
Your covid death rate is double that of Canada and we can't get the vaccine
at the moment.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 22:30:57 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:43:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/31/2021 6:54 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>>> single person who's had it. But to listen to any TV station, local or national,
>>> you'd think we're all deaths door; it's just a matter of time. But my great-
>>> niece by marriage is a nurse and she did test post for it. She quarantined
>>> for 7 days, the NEW recommended quarantine guideline, and that was that.
>>> No vaccine, no hospitalization, no fever, nada, zip, zilch.
>>
>> I guess you are fortunate. My granddaughter in Las Vegas has it a
>> couple of friends had it, one of my friends died from it a couple of
>> weeks ago.
>>
>> I take precautions and will get the vaccine. 430,000 dead so far.
>
>Shhhh! Nobody's listening!
>Your covid death rate is double that of Canada and we can't get the vaccine
>at the moment.

There's a vaccine? Someone should inform the Australian government.

On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:

> The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
> make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
> sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
> lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>
> Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
> hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
> are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
> the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>
(snip)
My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
scheduled at the same time.
I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
Oxford Astra Zeneca product.

On 31/01/2021 22:51, wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 2:59:12 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> This does not apply to anybody who does not live in the U.S.
>>
>> That said, how do the U.S regulars here feel about their States
>> vaccine distributions and how they're being handled. And how do you
>> feel about your "place" on the list, if you even feel you have a
>> "place".
>>
> For about the last week, not really sure how long, but vacations have been
> available at the local health departments in my city. By appointment only,
> though. This past Friday my sister-in-law's mother got hers and she's 83.

My niece, who lives in your city, got a call to come in for her
vaccination - she was surprised, as she's only in her 30s, but
apparently the University had a list of people to call if they had
leftover vaccines, and they didn't want to waste any. She was available,
and was able to get there quickly.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:54:52 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
> > >about my family.
> >
> > That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
> > because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
> >
> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
> single person who's had it.

"Anecdote" does not equal "data".

I know one guy who died of it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 02:02:55 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:54:52 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:19:07 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:51:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >I'm not concerned about how the state is handling it nor am I worried
>> > >about my family.
>> >
>> > That's because you're a Republican. Republicans don't die from covid
>> > because A) It's only a little flu and B) It doesn't exist.
>> >
>> It has nothing to do with my political party. It has to do with not knowing a
>> single person who's had it.
>
>"Anecdote" does not equal "data".
>
>I know one guy who died of it.

Joan doesn't know him so she's safe.

wrote:
> For about the last week, not really sure how long, but vacations have been
> available at the local health departments in my city.

Free vacations? That sounds like a good deal.
Did they say where to? :-D

In article >,
says...
>
> On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> > The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
> > make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
> > sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
> > lack of vaccine causes glitches.
> >
> > Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
> > hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
> > are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
> > the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
> >
> (snip)
> My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
> K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
> scheduled at the same time.
> I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
> to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
> Oxford Astra Zeneca product.

Also in Scotland; J and I already had ours last week (Pfizer).
Everybody I know who is over 70, has had their first vaccination. Our Dr
son and his hospital department colleagues got vaccinated in December.

Our GP phoned us at home offering the same appointment time for both
of us; we turned up at the GP's on time, were clocked in through the
car wondow by a socially distanced person with a clipboard, walked to
door (open, so that patients touch nothing) met by doctor who checked ID
again, asked health checks, and jabbed us. Back out with instruction to
wait 15 minutes in our car in the GP car park as a safety precaution,
sound the horn if we felt any reaction. (They have had no reactors yet;
I asked.). The whole procedure went like clockwork and the only
physical contact was with the doctor who injected us. All free on the
NHS and we've had no side effects.

We were given an appointment for our second jab, when they offered us
the first.

Janet UK

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 15:12:05 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>> > The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
>> > make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
>> > sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
>> > lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>> >
>> > Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
>> > hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
>> > are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
>> > the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>> >
>> (snip)
>> My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
>> K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
>> scheduled at the same time.
>> I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
>> to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
>> Oxford Astra Zeneca product.
>
> Also in Scotland; J and I already had ours last week (Pfizer).
>Everybody I know who is over 70, has had their first vaccination. Our Dr
>son and his hospital department colleagues got vaccinated in December.
>
> Our GP phoned us at home offering the same appointment time for both
>of us; we turned up at the GP's on time, were clocked in through the
>car wondow by a socially distanced person with a clipboard, walked to
>door (open, so that patients touch nothing) met by doctor who checked ID
>again, asked health checks, and jabbed us. Back out with instruction to
>wait 15 minutes in our car in the GP car park as a safety precaution,
>sound the horn if we felt any reaction. (They have had no reactors yet;
>I asked.). The whole procedure went like clockwork and the only
>physical contact was with the doctor who injected us. All free on the
>NHS and we've had no side effects.
>
> We were given an appointment for our second jab, when they offered us
>the first.
>
> Janet UK

Very good to hear

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:44:18 +0000, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
>> make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
>> sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
>> lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>>
>> Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
>> hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
>> are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
>> the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>>
>(snip)
>My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
>K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
>scheduled at the same time.
>I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
>to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
>Oxford Astra Zeneca product.


I know that exact location!

Good luck getting scheduled.

On 01/02/2021 15:12, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>> The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
>>> make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
>>> sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
>>> lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>>>
>>> Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
>>> hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
>>> are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
>>> the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>>>
>> (snip)
>> My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
>> K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
>> scheduled at the same time.
>> I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
>> to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
>> Oxford Astra Zeneca product.
>
> Also in Scotland; J and I already had ours last week (Pfizer).
> Everybody I know who is over 70, has had their first vaccination. Our Dr
> son and his hospital department colleagues got vaccinated in December.
>
> Our GP phoned us at home offering the same appointment time for both
> of us; we turned up at the GP's on time, were clocked in through the
> car wondow by a socially distanced person with a clipboard, walked to
> door (open, so that patients touch nothing) met by doctor who checked ID
> again, asked health checks, and jabbed us. Back out with instruction to
> wait 15 minutes in our car in the GP car park as a safety precaution,
> sound the horn if we felt any reaction. (They have had no reactors yet;
> I asked.). The whole procedure went like clockwork and the only
> physical contact was with the doctor who injected us. All free on the
> NHS and we've had no side effects.
>
> We were given an appointment for our second jab, when they offered us
> the first.
>
Our Health Centre just says 'patients will be contacted in due course',
but this area is sparsely populated, and much more remote than yours.
The vaccines will get here eventually.

On 01/02/2021 15:33, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:44:18 +0000, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>> The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
>>> make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
>>> sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
>>> lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>>>
>>> Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
>>> hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
>>> are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
>>> the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>>>
>> (snip)
>> My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
>> K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
>> scheduled at the same time.
>> I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
>> to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
>> Oxford Astra Zeneca product.
>
> I know that exact location!
>
I thought you would!

> Good luck getting scheduled.
>
John's already scheduled for his 2nd dose - assuming the vaccines
actually arrive...me, I know that I will eventually be contacted by the
local GP. I made sure that they didn't just have my landline number, but
also my cell/mobile and email address.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 15:48:49 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:

> On 01/02/2021 15:33, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:44:18 +0000, S Viemeister
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/01/2021 22:16, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>
>>>> The greatest flaw here in NJ is vaccine supply. Shortages of supply
>>>> make it more complicated to open appointments and that causes jams in
>>>> sign-ups. The state is fine with their distribution and staffing, but
>>>> lack of vaccine causes glitches.
>>>>
>>>> Here in NJ, there are state/county/town operated centers as well as
>>>> hospitals that are creating programs. Walgreens and CVS, both of which
>>>> are functioning as dispensers for long term facilities, are not under
>>>> the aegis of the state, but are under Fed regs.
>>>>
>>> (snip)
>>> My husband lucked out, and managed to get an appointment at the former
>>> K-Mart in West Orange (via the county website), and his second dose was
>>> scheduled at the same time.
>>> I'm waiting to hear from the local GP here in the Highlands. They expect
>>> to start vaccinating my age group in a few weeks, most likely using the
>>> Oxford Astra Zeneca product.
>>
>> I know that exact location!
>>
> I thought you would!
>
>> Good luck getting scheduled.
>>
> John's already scheduled for his 2nd dose - assuming the vaccines
> actually arrive...me, I know that I will eventually be contacted by the
> local GP. I made sure that they didn't just have my landline number, but
> also my cell/mobile and email address.

Gawd knows when I will get my first dose! All shipments have been delayed.

On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, S Viemeister wrote:

>>
> Our Health Centre just says 'patients will be contacted in due course',
> but this area is sparsely populated, and much more remote than yours.
> The vaccines will get here eventually.
>

Everybody thinks they should be first and done by now. Only 7 billion
people in the world so it should not take long.

Typical example. Our county has a list of 140,000 eligible over 65
people on the list. The are getting about 5000 doses a week so the math
is simple.

Complaints a
I called two weeks ago and still have not heard
I saw a lot of nice cars in the line and no people that look like me. (A
black woman in a county of 9% blacks)

I guess the complaints will go like that for 28 weeks.