On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:46:49 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message ... .
>
> On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:09:54 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 10:32:32 +1000, Bruce >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 07:18:56 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 10:01:07 +1000, Bruce >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I don't know. What Johnson's trying to do seems undemocratic, but he's
> >>>>failing or so it seems.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>One other point is the irony of claiming Johnson's trying to do
> >>>something undemocratic. Brexit was democratically voted in... THEN
> >>>it's opponents want to subvert the democratic process by
> >>>sabotaging/stopping the transition. Hmm.
> >>
> >>You have a point. On the other hand, what was the referendum question?
> >>Do you want a Brexit? Do you want it at any price? Also if it's a
> >>no-deal Brexit? Regardless of the damage?
> >
> >Sure, but you could say the same about any referendum really. The
> >questions generally have to be simplified somewhat for a referendum to
> >function at all.
>
> At least, there seem to be not 2, but 3 options: remain, leave but
> only with a deal, leave even without a deal.
>
> ===
>
> Only by those who are determined to keep us in the EU at any cost.

One good thing about the EU is that it created more government.

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:45:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 07:18:56 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 10:01:07 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know. What Johnson's trying to do seems undemocratic, but he's
>>>failing or so it seems.
>>
>>
>>One other point is the irony of claiming Johnson's trying to do
>>something undemocratic. Brexit was democratically voted in... THEN
>>it's opponents want to subvert the democratic process by
>>sabotaging/stopping the transition. Hmm.
>
>You have a point. On the other hand, what was the referendum question?
>Do you want a Brexit? Do you want it at any price? Also if it's a
>no-deal Brexit? Regardless of the damage?
>
>===
>
> 'In or Out'

Now that y'all really know what the choices and consequences are, I
wonder what the result of a second referendum would be.

" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> >
> > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > over.
> >
> You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.

Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
worth a damn."

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> " wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > >
> > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > over.
> > >
> > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
>
> Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> worth a damn."

Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
lie.

For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
How difficult is that?

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 02:51:28 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>One good thing about the EU is that it created more government.

Yes, a lot more government and bureaucracy - from another country as a
bonus.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > " wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > > over.
> > > >
> > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
> >
> > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> > worth a damn."
>
> Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
> lie.
>
> For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
> How difficult is that?


Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...

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wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:16:50 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > And how do you feel about Trump's bankruptcies and all the people he
> > never paid?
> >
> He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.


His business "saga" is a perfect example of the beauty of capitalism, e.g. capitalism is basically about "creative destruction"...

He's earned and lost billions, has dabbled in many spheres - remember Trump Air? - and despite all he is wealthy AND he became President...I'd call that a real Amerian success story...!!!

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Greg

wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> >
> > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > over.
> >
> You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.


Or those American Icons such as JFK or FDR...the now beloved Harry Truman was nurtured by the corrupt Kansas City Pendergast mafia, as a result of that he would not be electable now...etc., etc., etc....

The Donald's personal behavior during his White House tenure has been exemplary in comparison...

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wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 4:07:01 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> >
> > On 2019-09-03 2:59 p.m., wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 2:07:43 AM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 13:21:50 +1000, Bruce >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I don't think she was wrong by saying she has a native American
> > >>> ancestor
> > >>
> > >> What was her motive for divulging it? Why would you do that? How is it
> > >> relevent to anything?
> > >>
> > > She was able to receive aid to go to college by claiming false ancestry.
> > > She took a DNA test and her native ancestry was practically nil.
> > >
> > Trivial besides the immoral and amoral acts of DT.
> >
> It's only trivial to those of the same mindset who cheat to get benefits they
> do not qualify for.


She is a cheap and disgusting fraud for doing that, that is for sure...

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:45:43 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 07:18:56 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 10:01:07 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know. What Johnson's trying to do seems undemocratic, but he's
>>>failing or so it seems.
>>
>>
>>One other point is the irony of claiming Johnson's trying to do
>>something undemocratic. Brexit was democratically voted in... THEN
>>it's opponents want to subvert the democratic process by
>>sabotaging/stopping the transition. Hmm.
>
>You have a point. On the other hand, what was the referendum question?
>Do you want a Brexit? Do you want it at any price? Also if it's a
>no-deal Brexit? Regardless of the damage?
>
>===
>
> 'In or Out'

Now that y'all really know what the choices and consequences are, I
wonder what the result of a second referendum would be.

===

Who knows?

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:48:19 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > " wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > > > over.
> > > > >
> > > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
> > >
> > > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> > > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> > > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> > > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> > > worth a damn."
> >
> > Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
> > lie.
> >
> > For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
> > How difficult is that?
>
>
> Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...

Trump Steaks
Trump University
Trump Casino
Trump Vodka
Trump Airlines
Trump Magazine
Trump Mortgage

Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:39:00 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 12:08:49 +1000, Bruce >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:04:21 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:47:51 +1000, Bruce >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:11:35 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>And be hypocritical about other people using phones. Maybe it's
> >>>>>'absolutely none of his business too', hmm?
> >>>>
> >>>>He's the missing link between Beavis and Butt-head.
> >>>
> >>>Only more childish.
> >>
> >>He has good days and bad days. More bad days lately
> >
> >Cheeseburger-induced Menopause?
>
> That could be it.

You two make fairly poor ambassadors for Australia. Nothing
better to say when someone disagrees with you and just resort to
name-calling. Every time. I do firmly believe though that most
Australians don't want to be either of you.

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 06:00:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:48:19 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> > > " wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
>> > > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
>> > > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
>> > > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
>> > > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
>> > > > > over.
>> > > > >
>> > > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
>> > > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
>> > > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
>> > >
>> > > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
>> > > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
>> > > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
>> > > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
>> > > worth a damn."
>> >
>> > Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
>> > lie.
>> >
>> > For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
>> > How difficult is that?
>>
>>
>> Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...
>
>Trump Steaks
>Trump University
>Trump Casino
>Trump Vodka
>Trump Airlines
>Trump Magazine
>Trump Mortgage
>
>Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
>value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It's tough on the contractors though, when he doesn't pay them

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:48:19 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > > " wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > > > > over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > > > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > > > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
> > > >
> > > > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> > > > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> > > > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> > > > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> > > > worth a damn."
> > >
> > > Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
> > > lie.
> > >
> > > For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
> > > How difficult is that?
> >
> >
> > Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...
>
> Trump Steaks
> Trump University
> Trump Casino
> Trump Vodka
> Trump Airlines
> Trump Magazine
> Trump Mortgage
>
> Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
> value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.

I did read once that during a very down time, he was selling his
name to others.

Saw a very old documentary/interview about him once. He told the
story of when he was building the Trump Towers in NYC. He had
borrowed many millions (I don't remember the amounts now) from a
group of bankers to build this. Maybe $130 million (?).

Well long before it was finished, with cost overruns, he was
running out of money. He met with the group of bankers again and
told them he needed another $70 million (?) to complete it. They
refused to give it to him.

He told them this: "If you give me this extra money, I can finish
and you'll get all your investment back plus profits. If you say
NO, I'll just file for bankruptcy and you'll lose all of your
origional investments."

They gave him the extra money, he finished the building and the
bankers did get all of the money plus profit back.

I was impressed how he came back with that and stood up to them.
They all won in the end.

Gary wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:48:19 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > > > " wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > > > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > > > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > > > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > > > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > > > > > over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > > > > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > > > > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> > > > > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> > > > > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> > > > > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> > > > > worth a damn."
> > > >
> > > > Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
> > > > lie.
> > > >
> > > > For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
> > > > How difficult is that?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...
> >
> > Trump Steaks
> > Trump University
> > Trump Casino
> > Trump Vodka
> > Trump Airlines
> > Trump Magazine
> > Trump Mortgage
> >
> > Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
> > value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.
>
> I did read once that during a very down time, he was selling his
> name to others.
>
> Saw a very old documentary/interview about him once. He told the
> story of when he was building the Trump Towers in NYC. He had
> borrowed many millions (I don't remember the amounts now) from a
> group of bankers to build this. Maybe $130 million (?).
>
> Well long before it was finished, with cost overruns, he was
> running out of money. He met with the group of bankers again and
> told them he needed another $70 million (?) to complete it. They
> refused to give it to him.
>
> He told them this: "If you give me this extra money, I can finish
> and you'll get all your investment back plus profits. If you say
> NO, I'll just file for bankruptcy and you'll lose all of your
> origional investments."
>
> They gave him the extra money, he finished the building and the
> bankers did get all of the money plus profit back.
>
> I was impressed how he came back with that and stood up to them.
> They all won in the end.


"You can take a gamble on me and win...or if you don't you'll lose everything..."

He's an astute businessmen, that's why his book is "The Art of the Deal"...


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Gary wrote:

> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:39:00 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 12:08:49 +1000, Bruce >
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:04:21 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:47:51 +1000, Bruce >
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:11:35 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>And be hypocritical about other people using phones. Maybe it's
> > >>>>>'absolutely none of his business too', hmm?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>He's the missing link between Beavis and Butt-head.
> > >>>
> > >>>Only more childish.
> > >>
> > >>He has good days and bad days. More bad days lately
> > >
> > >Cheeseburger-induced Menopause?
> >
> > That could be it.
>
> You two make fairly poor ambassadors for Australia. Nothing
> better to say when someone disagrees with you and just resort to
> name-calling. Every time. I do firmly believe though that most
> Australians don't want to be either of you.


Yup, Gary, these two gibbering "Ozzie Mozzie" (mozzie = mosquito) nitwits make excellent Australian "anti - Ambassadors"...they carry on like drunken convicts just debarked from the convict ship...

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GM wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > You two make fairly poor ambassadors for Australia. Nothing
> > better to say when someone disagrees with you and just resort to
> > name-calling. Every time. I do firmly believe though that most
> > Australians don't want to be either of you.
>
> Yup, Gary, these two gibbering "Ozzie Mozzie" (mozzie = mosquito) nitwits make excellent Australian "anti - Ambassadors"...they carry on like drunken convicts just debarked from the convict ship...

Sadly, they both think they know it all. We all know how that
saying goes, "He who knows it all knows nothing." Both exhibit
low self-esteem behavior and absolutely no sense of humor. Sad
cases both.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:42:42 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:48:19 AM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:25:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > > > " wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 5:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >He's had six (6) Chapter 11 bankruptcies; do you know what Chapter 11 is?
> > > > > > > >By the way, those were corporate bankruptcies and not personal. He used
> > > > > > > >the law to do this whether anyone likes it or not. He's not the first and
> > > > > > > >he certainly won't be the last to use the law to enable him to do this
> > > > > > > >unless corporate bankruptcy laws are changed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for at least acknowledging that he screwed a lot of people
> > > > > > > over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > You act like this is something new and that no other politician since the
> > > > > > beginning of time has ever done. You want something to tsk, tsk about?
> > > > > > Look at Lyndon Johnson or Slick Willy just to name two, both Democrats.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at more famous presidents. Lincoln filed once, but he did
> > > > > pay that back eventually. A good example is beloved Thomas
> > > > > Jefferson who filed for bankruptcy several times. It was said
> > > > > about him, "An excellent President but he couldn't manage money
> > > > > worth a damn."
> > > >
> > > > Donald Trump trades on being an expert businessman. Another outright
> > > > lie.
> > > >
> > > > For Pete's sake, the man couldn't successfully sell steaks to Americans.
> > > > How difficult is that?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yet when one visits downtown Chicago, one sees a beautiful glittering tower with the name "Trump" emblazoned upon it...
> >
> > Trump Steaks
> > Trump University
> > Trump Casino
> > Trump Vodka
> > Trump Airlines
> > Trump Magazine
> > Trump Mortgage
> >
> > Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
> > value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.
>
> I did read once that during a very down time, he was selling his
> name to others.
>
> Saw a very old documentary/interview about him once. He told the
> story of when he was building the Trump Towers in NYC. He had
> borrowed many millions (I don't remember the amounts now) from a
> group of bankers to build this. Maybe $130 million (?).
>
> Well long before it was finished, with cost overruns, he was
> running out of money. He met with the group of bankers again and
> told them he needed another $70 million (?) to complete it. They
> refused to give it to him.
>
> He told them this: "If you give me this extra money, I can finish
> and you'll get all your investment back plus profits. If you say
> NO, I'll just file for bankruptcy and you'll lose all of your
> origional investments."
>
> They gave him the extra money, he finished the building and the
> bankers did get all of the money plus profit back.
>
> I was impressed how he came back with that and stood up to them.
> They all won in the end.

Trump actually came to Kitchener, Ontario to give a speech. So did good ole' Willy the pimp.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:42:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:


>>
>> Maybe he should stick to real estate. At least that has some intrinsic
>> value beyond a sucker's willingness to pay for his name.

>I did read once that during a very down time, he was selling his
>name to others.

He does that all the time. That is a major part of his business,
actually.

>
>Saw a very old documentary/interview about him once. He told the
>story of when he was building the Trump Towers in NYC. He had
>borrowed many millions (I don't remember the amounts now) from a
>group of bankers to build this. Maybe $130 million (?).
>
>Well long before it was finished, with cost overruns, he was
>running out of money. He met with the group of bankers again and
>told them he needed another $70 million (?) to complete it. They
>refused to give it to him.
>
>He told them this: "If you give me this extra money, I can finish
>and you'll get all your investment back plus profits. If you say
>NO, I'll just file for bankruptcy and you'll lose all of your
>origional investments."
>
>They gave him the extra money, he finished the building and the
>bankers did get all of the money plus profit back.
>
>I was impressed how he came back with that and stood up to them.
>They all won in the end.

You do realize that the reason he was only dealing with Deutsche bank
is because no other bank would tough him due to his multiple major
defaults/bankruptcies?

And Deutsche Bank is under investigation about his dealings with them,
as well as for the bank's money-laundering in many other cases

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...o-end-timeline

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:48:26 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> Funny how the Repuglicans were quite happy to accept Ted Cruz as a
> candidate when he was born in Calgary with a US mother and Cuban father.
>
Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen under the U. S. Constitution therefore
eligible to run for president. Maybe he didn't try to hide his birth
certificate.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> Now THIS is quite damning...!!!
>
> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eliza...b0dfcbd48a1b01
>
> Note: In July, Warren told a group of voters in New Hampshire that €œnothing about the way I identified ever had anything to do with my academic career ... Even so, I shouldnt have done it. I am not a person of color, I am not a citizen of a tribe and Ive apologized for any confusion over tribal sovereignty, tribal citizenship and any harm caused by that.€� We have updated the article to note this statement.
>
> Rebecca Nagle is a writer, advocate and citizen of Cherokee Nation living in Tahlequah, Oklahoma.
>
> Research assistance by Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes.
>
And the American Natives are still quite wary of her and her apology.

Did you read the article where a few years ago she was invited to submit
some native American recipes to the "Pow Wow Chow" cookbook?? It seems
at least one of them she copied from the 'New York Times' and is in no
way deemed 'native American.'

wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
> >
> > Now THIS is quite damning...!!!
> >
> > https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eliza...b0dfcbd48a1b01
> >
> > Note: In July, Warren told a group of voters in New Hampshire that €œnothing about the way I identified ever had anything to do with my academic career ... Even so, I shouldnt have done it. I am not a person of color, I am not a citizen of a tribe and Ive apologized for any confusion over tribal sovereignty, tribal citizenship and any harm caused by that.€� We have updated the article to note this statement.
> >
> > Rebecca Nagle is a writer, advocate and citizen of Cherokee Nation living in Tahlequah, Oklahoma.
> >
> > Research assistance by Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes.
> >
> And the American Natives are still quite wary of her and her apology.
>
> Did you read the article where a few years ago she was invited to submit
> some native American recipes to the "Pow Wow Chow" cookbook?? It seems
> at least one of them she copied from the 'New York Times' and is in no
> way deemed 'native American.'


It figures, LOL..!!!

Wouldn't be a bit surprised if she claimed to have been presented at Court in London...

<snicker>

--
Best
Greg

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>
>> Now THIS is quite damning...!!!
>>
>> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eliza...b0dfcbd48a1b01
>>
>> Note: In July, Warren told a group of voters in New Hampshire that €œnothing about the way I identified ever had anything to do with my academic career ... Even so, I shouldnt have done it. I am not a person of color, I am not a citizen of a tribe and Ive apologized for any confusion over tribal sovereignty, tribal citizenship
and any harm caused by that.€� We have updated the article to note this statement.
>>
>> Rebecca Nagle is a writer, advocate and citizen of Cherokee Nation living in Tahlequah, Oklahoma.
>>
>> Research assistance by Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes.
>>
>And the American Natives are still quite wary of her and her apology.

Even the link produced by pathologically right-wing GM doesn't say she
made money from the claim. GM's link is about an overly precious
native American playing the victim.

>Did you read the article where a few years ago she was invited to submit
>some native American recipes to the "Pow Wow Chow" cookbook?? It seems
>at least one of them she copied from the 'New York Times' and is in no
>way deemed 'native American.'

Oh no, what a disaster! She makes Trump look like a saint!

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 9:48:26 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>
>> Funny how the Repuglicans were quite happy to accept Ted Cruz as a
>> candidate when he was born in Calgary with a US mother and Cuban father.
>>
>Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen under the U. S. Constitution therefore
>eligible to run for president. Maybe he didn't try to hide his birth
>certificate.

I don't understand why Americans have this tendency to lie about
people they disagree with. You don't like Warren so you spread lies
about her and believe other people's lies about her. Can't y'all act a
bit more mature and stick to politics? Disagree with her political
views, but stop the smear campaigns and the lying. It's quite
disgusting. Like a bunch of hysterical children.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:12:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:39:00 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 12:08:49 +1000, Bruce >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:04:21 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 11:47:51 +1000, Bruce >
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:11:35 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>And be hypocritical about other people using phones. Maybe it's
>> >>>>>'absolutely none of his business too', hmm?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>He's the missing link between Beavis and Butt-head.
>> >>>
>> >>>Only more childish.
>> >>
>> >>He has good days and bad days. More bad days lately
>> >
>> >Cheeseburger-induced Menopause?
>>
>> That could be it.
>
>You two make fairly poor ambassadors for Australia. Nothing
>better to say when someone disagrees with you and just resort to
>name-calling. Every time. I do firmly believe though that most
>Australians don't want to be either of you.

LOL, you call me names all the time. I only say you're the missing
link between Beavis and Butt-head.

And why should Australians want to be like me? What kind of weird idea
is that?

In article >,
says...
> graham...!!! I am a scrupulously devout and pious person,
> and as I'm very humble I never carry on about it...!!!
>
https://imgur.com/a/ZMvJ6

In article >, Jeßus >
wrote:

> She didn't benefit financially? I'll have to do some of my own
> checking if that's the case. I still have a big problem with people
> claiming some racial background, especially when it's one that's
> contemporarily politically sensitive. Why even say it when she's
> clearly white and has no personal connection in her daily life to that
> culture?

Warren was anointed as the first Native American law professor at
Harvard. She probably didn't get a nickel or other emoluments from her
exalted fraud. Ya think! Not bad for a blue eyed blonde. It makes me
question the critical thinking ability at Harvard.
<https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...vard_must_set_
the_record_straight_on_elizabeth_warren_140678.htm l>
If you don't like the link, believe the fact. It happened.

leo

On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 20:25:58 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus >
>wrote:
>
>> She didn't benefit financially? I'll have to do some of my own
>> checking if that's the case. I still have a big problem with people
>> claiming some racial background, especially when it's one that's
>> contemporarily politically sensitive. Why even say it when she's
>> clearly white and has no personal connection in her daily life to that
>> culture?
>
>Warren was anointed as the first Native American law professor at
>Harvard. She probably didn't get a nickel or other emoluments from her
>exalted fraud. Ya think! Not bad for a blue eyed blonde. It makes me
>question the critical thinking ability at Harvard.
><https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...vard_must_set_
>the_record_straight_on_elizabeth_warren_140678.ht ml>
>If you don't like the link, believe the fact. It happened.

realclearpolitics.com sounds like Fox News for Dummies.

On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 20:25:58 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus >
>wrote:
>
>> She didn't benefit financially? I'll have to do some of my own
>> checking if that's the case. I still have a big problem with people
>> claiming some racial background, especially when it's one that's
>> contemporarily politically sensitive. Why even say it when she's
>> clearly white and has no personal connection in her daily life to that
>> culture?
>
>Warren was anointed as the first Native American law professor at
>Harvard. She probably didn't get a nickel or other emoluments from her
>exalted fraud. Ya think! Not bad for a blue eyed blonde. It makes me
>question the critical thinking ability at Harvard.

Critical thinking... from educational institutions? <rhetorical
question>

If you have the time and inclination, have a listen to this podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZZNvT1vaJg

These two academics not only had these fake papers published, but also
received awards from some of them. What were the topics, you ask?
One was titled “Human Reaction to Rape Culture and Queer
Performativity at Urban Dog Parks in Portland, Oregon”, another was
“Do dogs suffer oppression based upon (perceived) gender?” How about
“Rubbing One Out: Defining Metasexual Violence of Objectification
Through Nonconsensual Masturbation". Yes, not only peer reviewed and
published, but received awards for these.

Any wonder Gen Z and millenials are so fvcked up.

><https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...vard_must_set_
>the_record_straight_on_elizabeth_warren_140678.ht ml>
>If you don't like the link, believe the fact. It happened.

I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
character.

On 2019-09-05 9:53 p.m., Je�us wrote:

>
> I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
> character.
>

OH! FFS! She's lily-white compared to the current POTUS!!!!!!!!

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 22:13:28 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-09-05 9:53 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
>> character.
>>
>
>OH! FFS! She's lily-white compared to the current POTUS!!!!!!!!

How is that in any way relevent?

In article >, graham >
wrote:

> On 2019-09-04 1:15 p.m., GM wrote:
> > graham wrote:

> > 24 Gracious words are like a honeycomb,
> > sweetness to the soul and health to the body..."

> And here's Shakespea "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."

And here's Churchill: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a
favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."

Where are we going with this?

leo

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> In article >, graham >
> wrote:
>
> > On 2019-09-04 1:15 p.m., GM wrote:
> > > graham wrote:
>
> > > 24 Gracious words are like a honeycomb,
> > > sweetness to the soul and health to the body..."
>
> > And here's Shakespea "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
>
> And here's Churchill: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a
> favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
>
> Where are we going with this?


Christ vs. anti - Christ...!!!

;-D

--
Best
Greg

In article >, Jeßus >
wrote:

> Critical thinking... from educational institutions? <rhetorical
> question>
>
> If you have the time and inclination, have a listen to this podcast:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZZNvT1vaJg

I had never watched a YouTube video of more than five minutes, but I
just watched this two hour one. There's hope. Thanks!

leo

On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 02:27:56 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Jeßus >
>wrote:
>
>> Critical thinking... from educational institutions? <rhetorical
>> question>
>>
>> If you have the time and inclination, have a listen to this podcast:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZZNvT1vaJg
>
>I had never watched a YouTube video of more than five minutes, but I
>just watched this two hour one. There's hope. Thanks!

Welcome. Most of Joe Rogan's podcasts are fascinating. His guests come
from all walks of life. Its refreshing and far more informative to
have long form conversations. It's almost a lost art in this age of 15
second sound bites which are basically meaningless and misleading.
Case in point - recently Bernie Sanders was a guest, the viewers
response was interesting because many people's perception of him
changed completely. This was entirely due to the long form
conversation format, which gave him the opportunity to discuss things
in detail.

On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 12:13:32 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2019-09-05 9:53 p.m., Je�us wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
> > character.
> >
>
> OH! FFS! She's lily-white compared to the current POTUS!!!!!!!!

You're not wrong, but the fact that he's a massive liar doesn't make
the fact that she's a smaller liar acceptable.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 03:15:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 12:13:32 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2019-09-05 9:53 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
>> > character.
>> >
>>
>> OH! FFS! She's lily-white compared to the current POTUS!!!!!!!!
>
>You're not wrong, but the fact that he's a massive liar doesn't make
>the fact that she's a smaller liar acceptable.

You'll never find a lesser liar than her as a candidate. Just be
honest and admit you won't vote for her because she's too progressive
for you.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 20:45:28 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 03:15:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 12:13:32 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>> On 2019-09-05 9:53 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I'm not disagreeing. I think it is appalling, and an indication of her
>>> > character.
>>> >
>>>
>>> OH! FFS! She's lily-white compared to the current POTUS!!!!!!!!
>>
>>You're not wrong, but the fact that he's a massive liar doesn't make
>>the fact that she's a smaller liar acceptable.
>
>You'll never find a lesser liar than her as a candidate.

Dan Quayle, Bernie Sanders and Walter Mondale have never been caught
out in a lie that I' aware of.

Why are you so invested in this woman, is it just because certain
people you dislike in this group dislike her?

>Just be
>honest and admit you won't vote for her because she's too progressive
>for you.

LOL. Pathetic. Really.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 18:55:45 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 20:45:28 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 03:15:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>You're not wrong, but the fact that he's a massive liar doesn't make
>>>the fact that she's a smaller liar acceptable.
>>
>>You'll never find a lesser liar than her as a candidate.
>
>Dan Quayle, Bernie Sanders and Walter Mondale have never been caught
>out in a lie that I' aware of.

Right wing spin always finds something, just wait. Maybe Quayle lied
about potatoes.

>Why are you so invested in this woman, is it just because certain
>people you dislike in this group dislike her?

Sanders, Warren, both are a breath of fresh air in the US. It's just
that Sanders is so old.

>>Just be honest and admit you won't vote for her because she's too progressive
>>for you.
>
>LOL. Pathetic. Really.

This is how it works. Joan's extreme right wing, so she picks up and
repeats everything negative that she hears about Democrats and never
says a bad word about Trump. Americans tend to be very black and
white. And I don't mean skin colour. No nuance or greys allowed.

Cindy's middle of the road, so she doesn't like Warren or Trump. Same
mechanism at work.

On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 22:09:28 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 18:55:45 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 20:45:28 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 03:15:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You're not wrong, but the fact that he's a massive liar doesn't make
>>>>the fact that she's a smaller liar acceptable.
>>>
>>>You'll never find a lesser liar than her as a candidate.
>>
>>Dan Quayle, Bernie Sanders and Walter Mondale have never been caught
>>out in a lie that I' aware of.
>
>Right wing spin always finds something, just wait. Maybe Quayle lied
>about potatoes.
>
>>Why are you so invested in this woman, is it just because certain
>>people you dislike in this group dislike her?
>
>Sanders, Warren, both are a breath of fresh air in the US. It's just
>that Sanders is so old.
>
>>>Just be honest and admit you won't vote for her because she's too progressive
>>>for you.
>>
>>LOL. Pathetic. Really.
>
>This is how it works. Joan's extreme right wing, so she picks up and
>repeats everything negative that she hears about Democrats and never
>says a bad word about Trump. Americans tend to be very black and
>white. And I don't mean skin colour. No nuance or greys allowed.
>
>Cindy's middle of the road, so she doesn't like Warren or Trump. Same
>mechanism at work.

That also describes me. I would have thought middle of the road was
the only sensible option at this time. Both contemporary left and
right wing ideologies have lost their way. There is nothing
'progressive' about the left at this time, quite the opposite, in
fact.