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Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a
difference "The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation which I confess should have been clear to me long, long before now that whereas I was in a majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was naïve in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. Whats that old cynical political saying? Never call a vote unless you know what the result is going to be. While I have chosen to expunge much of the referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and inevitably racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily Telegraph |
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"Ophelia" wrote in message ... Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a difference "The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation which I confess should have been clear to me long, long before now that whereas I was in a majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was naïve in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. Whats that old cynical political saying? Never call a vote unless you know what the result is going to be. While I have chosen to expunge much of the referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and inevitably racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily Telegraph == LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: <Brexit> >LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? == I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though. |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > ><Brexit> > >>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >== > > >I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though. I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. |
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 23:13:47 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 21:33 6 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in : > >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >>>"Bruce" wrote in message ... >>> >>>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>>wrote: >>> >>><Brexit> >>> >>>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >>> >>>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >>> >>>== >>> >>> >>>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>>though. >> >> I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current >> Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. > >Theresa May is delivering almost all the key points called for by >Brexiteers but they didn't think their demands through and many now feel >edgy about what she is delivering. Those people now have a sort of >buyer's remorse. It's a strange chess game. I'm glad it won't affect me much either way. |
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No skin off my back as we have problems of our own, but it sounds to
me more like the Daily Torygraph where "the truth" intrudes seldom and only with things that do not matter. On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:52:14 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: >Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a >difference >"The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation which I confess should >have been clear to me long, long before now that whereas I was in a >majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The >only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real >decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was >nave in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to >whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum >Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. Whats >that old cynical political saying? Never call a vote unless you know what >the result is going to be. While I have chosen to expunge much of the >referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the >sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain >campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would >ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the >role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and >inevitably racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily >Telegraph |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: >"Bruce" wrote in message .. . > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > ><Brexit> > >>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >== > > >I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >though. I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. == No deal This is the last post I intend to make on UK politics. I am here for cooking and all this recent nastiness is getting out of hand. |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:20:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >><Brexit> >> >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >>== >> >> >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>though. > >I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current >Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. > >== > >No deal You probably mean they'd even prefer a Brexit without a deal over no Brexit or May's Brexit. Thanks. I mean, I kept wondering about that. >This is the last post I intend to make on UK politics. I am here for >cooking and all this recent nastiness is getting out of hand. I'm not sure what you mean, unless you're referring to your follower Pamela, but alright. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:20:04 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message .. . > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >><Brexit> >> >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >>== >> >> >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>though. > >I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current >Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. > >== > >No deal You probably mean they'd even prefer a Brexit without a deal over no Brexit or May's Brexit. Thanks. I mean, I kept wondering about that. >This is the last post I intend to make on UK politics. I am here for >cooking and all this recent nastiness is getting out of hand. I'm not sure what you mean, unless you're referring to your follower Pamela, but alright. == You got it. |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:20:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >><Brexit> >> >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >>== >> >> >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>though. > >I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current >Brexit deal or no Brexit at all. > >== > >No deal > >This is the last post I intend to make on UK politics. I am here for >cooking and all this recent nastiness is getting out of hand. > So says the 'old bitch' -- to quote her! |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > ><Brexit> > >>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >== > >I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though. I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message .. . > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > ><Brexit> > >>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >== > >I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >though. I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. == Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want out but this is not the place! |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >><Brexit> >> >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >>== >> >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>though. > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > >== > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want >out but this is not the place! I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message .. . > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >><Brexit> >> >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >>== >> >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>though. > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > >== > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want >out but this is not the place! I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? === It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for you. Farage is returning. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:15:30 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message ... > >On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"Bruce" wrote in message ... >>> >>>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>>wrote: >>> >>><Brexit> >>> >>>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >>> >>>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >>> >>>== >>> >>>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>>though. >> >>I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the >>UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her >>parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at >>the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I >>hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. >> >>== >> >>Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want >>out but this is not the place! > >I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought >this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to >do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > >=== > >It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for you. > >Farage is returning. The Titanic was a sovereign ship. You know who loves all this? Putin. He has a retarded child running the US and the UK and France are eating themselves from the inside out. All he needs now is to replace Merkel with an idiot and then he can freely invade the Baltic states. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:15:30 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >"Bruce" wrote in message .. . > >On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" wrote in message . .. >> >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"Bruce" wrote in message ... >>> >>>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>>wrote: >>> >>><Brexit> >>> >>>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >>> >>>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >>> >>>== >>> >>>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>>though. >> >>I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the >>UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her >>parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at >>the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I >>hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. >> >>== >> >>Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want >>out but this is not the place! > >I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought >this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to >do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > >=== > >It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for >you. > >Farage is returning. The Titanic was a sovereign ship. You know who loves all this? Putin. He has a retarded child running the US and the UK and France are eating themselves from the inside out. All he needs now is to replace Merkel with an idiot and then he can freely invade the Baltic states. == *smile* |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > > > > > > >"Bruce" wrote in message > .. . > > > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>"Bruce" wrote in message > . .. > >> > >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > > >>wrote: > >> > >><Brexit> > >> > >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >> > >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >> > >>== > >> > >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris > >>though. > > > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > > >== > > > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want > >out but this is not the place! > > I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought > this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to > do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > > === > > It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for you. > > Farage is returning. You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can use their song if you like.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgr6O6S714 |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > "Bruce" wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > > > > > > >"Bruce" wrote in message > .. . > > > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>"Bruce" wrote in message > . .. > >> > >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > > >>wrote: > >> > >><Brexit> > >> > >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > >> > >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > >> > >>== > >> > >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris > >>though. > > > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > > >== > > > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want > >out but this is not the place! > > I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought > this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to > do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > > === > > It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for > you. > > Farage is returning. You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can use their song if you like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgr6O6S714 == AMEN to that!!!! At least we have the opportunity!!! Good luck to you and yours!! |
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dsi1 > wrote: > You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can use their song if you like. I would love to give you back to the Great Pacific. I fear that sovereignty wouldn't last long. Greedy eyes to the west of you would soon take care of that. It is unfortunate that your islands are about as strategic as land gets. leo |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > > "Bruce" wrote in message > > ... > > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >"Bruce" wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>"Bruce" wrote in message > > . .. > > >> > > >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >><Brexit> > > >> > > >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > > >> > > >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > > >> > > >>== > > >> > > >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris > > >>though. > > > > > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > > >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > > >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > > >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > > >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > > > > >== > > > > > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want > > >out but this is not the place! > > > > I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought > > this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to > > do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > > > > === > > > > It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for > > you. > > > > Farage is returning. > > You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can > use their song if you like. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgr6O6S714 > > == > > AMEN to that!!!! At least we have the opportunity!!! Good luck to you and > yours!! At the risk of placing my nose where it doesn't belong, I would suggest that it would be better for the UK to leave the EU. The UK would be as divided as the US if this does not occur. In our case, it won't last very long but in your case, the doubts and resentments and questions about "what if" could be prolonged. 50 - 60 years? Well that's just what I've been seeing in my crystal ball. |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:40:19 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, > dsi1 <dsi1> wrote: > > > You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can use their song if you like. > > I would love to give you back to the Great Pacific. I fear that > sovereignty wouldn't last long. Greedy eyes to the west of you would > soon take care of that. It is unfortunate that your islands are about > as strategic as land gets. > > leo It is a question to ponder - what would have happened if Hawaii had not be stolen from the people. My guess is that we would have been a neutral country during WWII. The US would have fought only in the European theater, the allies would have prevailed and Japan would control a big chunk of Asia. You could say that the overthrow of Hawaii stopped Japanese expansionism. Or maybe not. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:46:18 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >> "dsi1" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >> > "Bruce" wrote in message >> > ... >> > >> > It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for >> > you. >> > >> > Farage is returning. >> >> You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You can >> use their song if you like. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgr6O6S714 >> >> == >> >> AMEN to that!!!! At least we have the opportunity!!! Good luck to you and >> yours!! > >At the risk of placing my nose where it doesn't belong, I would suggest that it would be better for the UK to leave the EU. The UK would be as divided as the US if this does not occur. In our case, it won't last very long but in your case, the doubts and resentments and questions about "what if" could be prolonged. 50 - 60 years? Well that's just what I've been seeing in my crystal ball. The EU is terrible. I understand the disgruntlement. But for a European country, there's one thing worse than the EU: not to be in the EU. |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:45:11 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > > "Bruce" wrote in message > > ... > > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:08:03 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >"Bruce" wrote in message > > .. . > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>"Bruce" wrote in message > > . .. > > >> > > >>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >><Brexit> > > >> > > >>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL > > >> > > >>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? > > >> > > >>== > > >> > > >>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris > > >>though. > > > > > >I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > > >UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > > >parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > > >the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > > >hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > > > > >== > > > > > >Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I > > >want > > >out but this is not the place! > > > > I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that it seems nobody thought > > this thing through. Y'all threw a hissy fit, but nobody knows what to > > do now. Where's big Brexiteer Farage? > > > > === > > > > It would appear that sovereignty means nothing to you. I am sorry for > > you. > > > > Farage is returning. > > You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of sovereignty. You > can > use their song if you like. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgr6O6S714 > > == > > AMEN to that!!!! At least we have the opportunity!!! Good luck to you > and > yours!! At the risk of placing my nose where it doesn't belong, I would suggest that it would be better for the UK to leave the EU. The UK would be as divided as the US if this does not occur. In our case, it won't last very long but in your case, the doubts and resentments and questions about "what if" could be prolonged. 50 - 60 years? Well that's just what I've been seeing in my crystal ball. == The majority voted to leave! We are leaving, but under what conditions? She is trying to keep us tied in as much as possible. You know how I feel about discussing politics here, if you wish to do so, you could go to the groups I mentioned or email me. |
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On 12/12/18 21:08, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Bruce" wrote in message > ... > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >> "Bruce" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >> <Brexit> >> >>> LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >> It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >> == >> >> I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >> though. > > I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > == > > Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I > want out but this is not the place! > > Why in heavens name don't you just leave then work it out you have no bargaining power till you do. |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:32:44 +1100, F Murtz >
wrote: >On 12/12/18 21:08, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Bruce" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Bruce" wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >>> wrote: >>> >>> <Brexit> >>> >>>> LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >>> >>> It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >>> >>> == >>> >>> I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >>> though. >> >> I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the >> UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her >> parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at >> the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I >> hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. >> >> == >> >> Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I >> want out but this is not the place! >> >> >Why in heavens name don't you just leave then work it out you have no >bargaining power till you do. They don't have any bargaining power, regardless. They're only going to lose. Only UK'ers whose working life is behind them, don't need to worry. The young, and especially the lesser educated UK'ers are going to suffer. But retired UK'ers only worry about themselves. What was that about baby boomers again, dsi1? |
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"F Murtz" wrote in message ... On 12/12/18 21:08, Ophelia wrote: > > > "Bruce" wrote in message > ... > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >> "Bruce" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >> <Brexit> >> >>> LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL >> >> It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end? >> >> == >> >> I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris >> though. > > I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the > UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her > parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at > the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I > hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house. > > == > > Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want > out but this is not the place! > > Why in heavens name don't you just leave then work it out you have no bargaining power till you do. == Excellent question!!! If you can get that through the politicians heads then you will be famous! |
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On 2018-12-12 11:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:40:19 PM UTC-10, Leonard > Blaisdell wrote: >> In article >> >, dsi1 >> <dsi1> wrote: >> >>> You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of >>> sovereignty. You can use their song if you like. >> >> I would love to give you back to the Great Pacific. I fear that >> sovereignty wouldn't last long. Greedy eyes to the west of you >> would soon take care of that. It is unfortunate that your islands >> are about as strategic as land gets. >> >> leo > > It is a question to ponder - what would have happened if Hawaii had > not be stolen from the people. My guess is that we would have been a > neutral country during WWII. The US would have fought only in the > European theater, the allies would have prevailed and Japan would > control a big chunk of Asia. You could say that the overthrow of > Hawaii stopped Japanese expansionism. Or maybe not. There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another country. While it would not have been American territory at the start of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 08:10:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2018-12-12 11:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote: >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:40:19 PM UTC-10, Leonard >> Blaisdell wrote: >>> In article >>> >, dsi1 >>> <dsi1> wrote: >>> >>>> You got that right sista! The native Hawaiians dream of >>>> sovereignty. You can use their song if you like. >>> >>> I would love to give you back to the Great Pacific. I fear that >>> sovereignty wouldn't last long. Greedy eyes to the west of you >>> would soon take care of that. It is unfortunate that your islands >>> are about as strategic as land gets. >>> >>> leo >> >> It is a question to ponder - what would have happened if Hawaii had >> not be stolen from the people. My guess is that we would have been a >> neutral country during WWII. The US would have fought only in the >> European theater, the allies would have prevailed and Japan would >> control a big chunk of Asia. You could say that the overthrow of >> Hawaii stopped Japanese expansionism. Or maybe not. > >There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another >country. While it would not have been American territory at the start >of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the >Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii >and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the >means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, >the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. > > I was witness to the nasty treatment of the Japanese by Occupational Forces from the USA immediately after WWII. |
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On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 3:08:57 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another > country. While it would not have been American territory at the start > of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the > Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii > and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the > means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, > the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. I can't say what would have happened. The King of Hawaii and the Emperor of Japan were on very friendly terms. They were buddies - that was unheard of.. The King made a promise to personally guarantee the safety of the Japanese that moved to Hawaii. The Royals of Hawaii were kind of odd that way; they wanted direct exposure to other cultures, new ideas, and modern technologies. The Hawaiians should have been more aware of American treatment of native culture and peoples in America. Their downfall was not being more wary of the Americans. They had faith in the American President and people to do the right thing and return Hawaiian sovereignty until the very end. It's quite a sad tale. Japan, to its credit, formally protested the American occupation every year until it was annexed by the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfVHmy3Zd8 |
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On 2018-12-13 11:51 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 3:08:57 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith > wrote: >> >> There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by >> another country. While it would not have been American territory >> at the start of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane >> that saw the Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would >> have taken Hawaii and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, >> might not have had the means to fight them. While the experience >> with Americans was not great, the Japanese treated the people of >> conquered lands much worse. > > I can't say what would have happened. The King of Hawaii and the > Emperor of Japan were on very friendly terms. They were buddies - > that was unheard of. The King made a promise to personally guarantee > the safety of the Japanese that moved to Hawaii. The Royals of Hawaii > were kind of odd that way; they wanted direct exposure to other > cultures, new ideas, and modern technologies. > > The Hawaiians should have been more aware of American treatment of > native culture and peoples in America. Their downfall was not being > more wary of the Americans. They had faith in the American President > and people to do the right thing and return Hawaiian sovereignty > until the very end. It's quite a sad tale. > > Japan, to its credit, formally protested the American occupation > every year until it was annexed by the United States. The old emperor might have extended that olive live to the king of Hawaii, but the Japanese occupiers in Korea and Mongolia were a lot less cordial. Given the behaviour of expanding empires over the years, the British and the Americans were relatively benevoant. |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 3:08:57 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> >> There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another >> country. While it would not have been American territory at the start >> of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the >> Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii >> and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the >> means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, >> the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. > >I can't say what would have happened. The King of Hawaii and the Emperor of Japan were on very friendly terms. They were buddies Then he was buddies with a war criminal. |
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On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 7:10:56 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-13 10:34 a.m., wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 08:10:06 -0500, Dave Smith > > >> There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another > >> country. While it would not have been American territory at the start > >> of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the > >> Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii > >> and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the > >> means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, > >> the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. > >> > >> > > I was witness to the nasty treatment of the Japanese by Occupational > > Forces from the USA immediately after WWII. > > I knew a guy who had been subjected to really atrocious behaviour by the > Japanese in a POW camp. The people of Nanking, China can tell you > about the atrocities committed by the Japanese there. I don't think > they got back anywhere near as they had handed out. One atrocity at a time please. I'm talking about the takeover of the Kingdom of Hawaii by American businessmen. The Japanese played no part in this. The takeaway from that is this: Don't trust American businessmen. Be mindful to keep them on a short leash and don't ever let them become the president of you. Mostly, all they care about is getting into bed with anybody that waves a bunch of cash in front of them and making deals, deals, deals. As far as atrocities goes, everybody does it. All that's required is that one view another human as more animal than a person. Americans did some nasty things to black folks, native Americans, the Vietnamese, Cambodians, and others, including white folks during the War for States Rights. Canadians have relatively clean hands, not counting the random mass murderers, of course. https://1870to1918.wordpress.com/201...anese-emperor/ |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:12:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2018-12-13 10:34 a.m., wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 08:10:06 -0500, Dave Smith > >>> There is a good chance that it would have been colonized by another >>> country. While it would not have been American territory at the start >>> of WWII the attack on Pearl Harbor was part of a plane that saw the >>> Japanese sweep across the Pacific. They likely would have taken Hawaii >>> and the US, having no strong base in the Pacific, might not have had the >>> means to fight them. While the experience with Americans was not great, >>> the Japanese treated the people of conquered lands much worse. >>> >>> >> I was witness to the nasty treatment of the Japanese by Occupational >> Forces from the USA immediately after WWII. > >I knew a guy who had been subjected to really atrocious behaviour by the >Japanese in a POW camp. The people of Nanking, China can tell you >about the atrocities committed by the Japanese there. I don't think >they got back anywhere near as they had handed out. > > Having an uncle who was on HMS Exeter sunk in the China Sea after the Battle of the River Plate and who went on to serve 5 years in the mines in Nagasaki - he reported that within their limits the guards were good, the living was brutal but the guards lived no better than them, being a guard was not considered an honourable occupation by the Japanese. Nanking was in 1937, not part of WWII. |
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On 2018-12-13 2:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 7:10:56 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith >> I knew a guy who had been subjected to really atrocious behaviour >> by the Japanese in a POW camp. The people of Nanking, China can >> tell you about the atrocities committed by the Japanese there. I >> don't think they got back anywhere near as they had handed out. > > One atrocity at a time please. I'm talking about the takeover of the > Kingdom of Hawaii by American businessmen. The Japanese played no > part in this. No they didn't, but who is to say that they Japanese would not have snapped it up if the Americans had not been there? > The takeaway from that is this: Don't trust American > businessmen. Be mindful to keep them on a short leash and don't ever > let them become the president of you. Mostly, all they care about is > getting into bed with anybody that waves a bunch of cash in front of > them and making deals, deals, deals. I trust them as much as I trust the American government.... which is not much. > > As far as atrocities goes, everybody does it. All that's required is > that one view another human as more animal than a person. Americans > did some nasty things to black folks, native Americans, the > Vietnamese, Cambodians, and others, including white folks during the > War for States Rights. Canadians have relatively clean hands, not > counting the random mass murderers, of course. I would say that even those things are relatively mild compared to some other countries. Look at the colonial exploits of Germany and Belgium. South America was colonized by the Spanish and the Portuguese. I would say that the British and, later, Americans did a much better job. |
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