Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a
difference
"The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation €“ which I confess should
have been clear to me long, long before now €“ that whereas I was in a
majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The
only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real
decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was
naïve in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to
whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum
Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. Whats
that old cynical political saying? €œNever call a vote unless you know what
the result is going to be.€� While I have chosen to expunge much of the
referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the
sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain
campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would
ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the
role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and €“
inevitably €“ racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily
Telegraph

"Ophelia" wrote in message ...

Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a
difference
"The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation €“ which I confess should
have been clear to me long, long before now €“ that whereas I was in a
majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The
only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real
decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was
naïve in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to
whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum
Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. Whats
that old cynical political saying? €œNever call a vote unless you know what
the result is going to be.€� While I have chosen to expunge much of the
referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the
sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain
campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would
ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the
role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and €“
inevitably €“ racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily
Telegraph


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LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

<Brexit>

>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL

It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

<Brexit>

>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL

It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?

==


I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
><Brexit>
>
>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>
>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>
>==
>
>
>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though.

I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current
Brexit deal or no Brexit at all.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
><Brexit>
>
>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>
>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>
>==
>
>
>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris
>though.

I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current
Brexit deal or no Brexit at all.

==

No deal

This is the last post I intend to make on UK politics. I am here for
cooking and all this recent nastiness is getting out of hand.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 23:13:47 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 21:33 6 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>><Brexit>
>>>
>>>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>>>
>>>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>>>
>>>==
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris
>>>though.
>>
>> I wonder what's worse from the perspective of leavers: May's current
>> Brexit deal or no Brexit at all.
>
>Theresa May is delivering almost all the key points called for by
>Brexiteers but they didn't think their demands through and many now feel
>edgy about what she is delivering. Those people now have a sort of
>buyer's remorse.

It's a strange chess game. I'm glad it won't affect me much either
way.

writes:
>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
><Brexit>
>
>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>
>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>
>==
>
>
>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though.


Well you will find out. Leaving on WTO rules with "max fac" is just one
of many fantasies/lies employed for what can only be the underlying
nefarious reasons for Brexit (aversion to EU regulation, particularly
in the financial industry, being primary among them). The government's
own assessments show the UK will be worse off economically regardless
of the type of agreement - that the status quo is the best deal
available. There is no 350 million pounds for the NHS, certainly not
per week. Good luck!

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
><Brexit>
>
>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>
>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>
>==
>
>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris though.

I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the
UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her
parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at
the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I
hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:20:27 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:53:23 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
><Brexit>
>
>>LOL sorry, this wasn't meant for here ... .LOLOL
>
>It's interesting, though. What do you think will happen in the end?
>
>==
>
>I don't know. I am losing the will to find out! I agree with Harris
>though.

I've been watching the news and reading the UK newsgroup. I think the
UK wanting to leave the EU is like a 15 year old girl who tells her
parents she's leaving the parental home. Now the girl is sitting at
the nearest bus stop, crying her eyes out, not knowing where to go. I
hope she either goes back home or finds a decent halfway house.

==

Think what you like, I don't care! I would tell you in detail why I want
out but this is not the place!

No skin off my back as we have problems of our own, but it sounds to
me more like the Daily Torygraph where "the truth" intrudes seldom and
only with things that do not matter.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:52:14 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>Brexit 5) Tom Harris: What a fool I was to think voting Leave would make a
>difference
>"The epiphany I mentioned earlier is my realisation – which I confess should
>have been clear to me long, long before now – that whereas I was in a
>majority of voters in June 2016, that does not, and did not, matter. The
>only majority that counts is the majority of those who make the real
>decisions, the majority of those who know better than the voters. Yes, I was
>naïve in believing that voters were ever going to be given the choice as to
>whether or not to leave the EU. After all, MPs only voted for the Referendum
>Act itself because they assumed that a Remain result was assured. What’s
>that old cynical political saying? “Never call a vote unless you know what
>the result is going to be.” While I have chosen to expunge much of the
>referendum campaign from my memory, some of it is coming back to me now: the
>sheer confusion, the appalled looks of disgust on the faces of Remain
>campaigners who were genuinely aghast at the very notion that anyone would
>ever seriously consider Brexit. The terms of debate that cast Leavers in the
>role of small-minded nationalists, imperialist flag-wavers and –
>inevitably – racists. Yet still they lost. As if that mattered." - Daily
>Telegraph