"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> As were mine It just goes to show, when you look at their equipment
>> ... they didn't need fancy ovens etc
>
> Sure, it can be done, and was done, but it's really nice to have the
> modern
> gadgets to make it easier.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Ain't That The Truth!!!! I wouldn't want to go back to those days, but we
> did it)

Yes we did.

Cheri

"cshenk" wrote in message
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Ophelia wrote:

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> "cshenk" wrote in message
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>
> rosie wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 8:59:57 AM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >> Working out how to share a photo. Nothing fancy here, just my
> >> backyard and some of the wood pile
> > >
> > >
>
https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...EcXJfBAiPMs5HM
> >
> > Some years here it is never cool enough for a fire. This year
> > however, we have had more than a few all ready, we bought a nice
> > truckload of seasoned oak and it is cut and stacked and right now a
> > nice fire is blazing away. Rosie
>
> We've had 2 already. We'd have had one today but too many plans
> involving getting pets to vet appointments and such. Tommorrow Don
> plans to light it off by 8am (maybe earlier) as it will be 22F
> (windchill) tonight. We are still running over 45F or so in the highs
> during the day.
>
> Would you or any others like the tips I have learned on how to
> effectively use a fireplace? I am sure others can add to it (thereby
> enhancing my knowledge too!).
>
> ==
>
> I would enjoy reading that, so please do?

Ok! No particular order here and some is opinion

I'm talking fireplaces only, there is a large diiference with wood
stoves not considered here.

Placement/Design- It won't work too well if the house isn't a fairly
'open design'. My friend Susan for example has one in her dining room.
The dining room is open to the kitchen but that's it. Since that isn't
a central living space for them, they would have safety issues with a
fireplace in a room only occupied sporadically as she cooks and the
heat can't effectively reach the primary spaces. Basically 'no gain'.
If the house isnt designed right to take advantage of it, then skip it.
- My livingroom is where the fireplace is and that is the primary
living space. It's open to the kitchen and a direct shot to the hall
where the bedrooms are (they will be chilly if only using fireplace the
few times we have needed to do that but not too horrible).

Real heat factor- It's really the hot bricks radiating that add true
heat. The brickwork should extend quite a bit about the sides and top.
(Reminder to self, snap a picture of mine). It takes several hours to
have the bricks truely warm so that is why you saw me mention lighting
one off at 8am. The temp was just barely 32F then and the high of 42
was nice for that 1 hour (grin). That takes a few hours to develop but
also takes several to radiate out competely so when you let it die out
to go to bed, you will have residual heat of varying levels for as much
as 7 hours (not much for the last 3 but gives you a start on reheating
in the morning)
- Backsplash - Classic is often Cast Iron which is placed at the back
and can often be angled a bit to maximize heat relection. I actually
use a cheap one off Amazon that is a 3 sided shiny metal and it makes a
huge difference
- Forced air pumps (electric) into the room. I do not like them. When
we got the house we had to repair a section of missing brick where one
was and all it did in the end was cause a spark safety issue from our
stance. Effective looking though are the simple tubular log holders
that use no power but gently blow hot air back into the room (I do not
have one).

Laying the fire- First you need to experiment with your own draw up the
flu. In my case I need to set a fire in the grate fairly towards the
back wall or we get a lot of smoke in the room. We also know what
damper setting is just right for us based on flu draw. We have 5
settings on our damper (other than completely closed). 3 is just right
for us here. This skill set will vary with the winds and such of your
own design but until you get it right, you will find getting a fire to
start and then maintain with little bother, to be tricky.
- Start with smaller 1/4 cut pieces and so there is a little air space
between them with the top ones 'angled across a bit' so you don't block
that airflow off.
- Underneath on the brick, we use a small bit of firestarter and any
remaining coals from the previous fire. (here, some will still be
cherry red next morning). Add kindling at the bottom on top of those
coal bits and below the grate.
- Once well established and ready to add more logs, add 2 medium ones
then when the next set comes in, a banking log (as we call it) is in
order. Thats a larger 1/2 moon cut. From then on, you will somewhat
alternate between the bigger and smaller cuts you have.

Safety first- Have a good fire screen. Mine is on feet and flush to
the wall. The 'feet' are solid metal flat to the brick infront of the
fireplace so it can't fall over. It's fine holed enough to let heat
through but not sparks. We also have a fire resistant matt on the
floor before it that is 1 foot past each side of the actual fireplace
opening and 2feet deep.
- When shoveling out the 'ash' *never* assume all is 'dead'. We use a
bucket partly filed with water incase we catch a 'live cherry coal' in
there and didn't realize it. (obviously if a week later with no fire,
not an issue).

Anyways, that's all I am thinking of right now.
==

Interesting! Thank you

" wrote:
>
> I love those firepits! But dang it, if I sit outside and it's cold
> enough to have a fire, I'm going inside where it's heated!

I wouldn't enjoy a firepit in a back yard but I've always loved
to go wilderness camping out in the wild and sit around a
campfire at night. What do I mean about wilderness camping?
That's where you hike into a forest a good ways, carrying every
thing you need on your back. No coolers, no fancy things. Just
tent, sleeping bag, only basic food needs and a good knife...you
*always* carry a good knife. No coolers, no radios, no cell
phones, etc.

Usually only happens for me in cold weather, fall and winter.
Camping cold has never bothered me. I was always the one that
crawled out of the somewhat warm sleeping bag to start up the
fire in the morning.

On 2018-11-30 10:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> " wrote:
>>
> I wouldn't enjoy a firepit in a back yard but I've always loved
> to go wilderness camping out in the wild and sit around a
> campfire at night. What do I mean about wilderness camping?
> That's where you hike into a forest a good ways, carrying every
> thing you need on your back. No coolers, no fancy things. Just
> tent, sleeping bag, only basic food needs and a good knife...you
> *always* carry a good knife. No coolers, no radios, no cell
> phones, etc.
>
> Usually only happens for me in cold weather, fall and winter.
> Camping cold has never bothered me. I was always the one that
> crawled out of the somewhat warm sleeping bag to start up the
> fire in the morning.


That is Virginia winter camping, sort of like Canadian early fall
camping, where you wake up and there is a chill in the air. Winter
camping here means dealing with snow and ice.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>On 11/29/2018 penmart01 wrote:
>
> but for just two normal adults it's
>> absolutely inane/insane to use a dishwasher every day.
>
>Yes, it is. That's why we run it every second or third day when it is
>full. We have more than two of everything.

For just the two of us it would take more than a week to fill the
dishwasher. We must have different eating habits than you, we don't
necessarilly use plates for every meal. We never have a cooked
breakfast... my wife has toast with jam that she eats off a paper
towel on a plastic cutting board. I don't eat breakfast, I have
brunch that usually consists of left overs from the fridge that I eat
cold from the storage container. We both have coffee in the morning,
my wife rinses her cup and uses it for tea the rest of the day. I
hand wash my coffee mug, because I like to use the same mug each
morning... I don't drink coffee all day nor do I drink tea.... I drink
RO water from a water bottle that gets refilled, I have two Camelbak
sports bottles, one at my PC one on my nightstand. The best way to
sanitize plastic sports bottles is with a capful of hydrogen peroxide,
also how I sanitize my toothbrush. My wife will have a sandwich for
lunch that she eats from a paper plate... half the time she brings her
lunch to eat at school, she teaches 2-3 days a week. She loves her
substitute teacher job, she gets to choose her classes and is home by
3:15... and she gets summers and all holidays off... a perfect
retirement job... it pays enough for her hobbies; skiing, golf,
knitting, watercolor painting classes, maintaining her car,
etc.

After my 10 am brunch I don't do lunch. It's only dinner when we use
plates, but not always, not if it's something juicy or needs knife
work, otherwise we use paper plates. We always eat fried eggs or any
fried foods from paper plates. We buy the type of paper plates that
are not coated so they suck up excess fats... we buy them in a carton
of 1,000 for under $10... at less than a penny each they cost less
than washing dishes, and they get a second use by feeding cats. We
have lots of dishes, silverware, and such, but the only times we set a
formal table is when we have company or it's a holiday. And I don't
mind hand washing dishes, been doing it all my life. Since I hand
wash cookware and cutlery its no biggie to handwash a couple plates
and silverware... it's not silver but that's what I've always called
eating utensils, however we do own two sets of Sterling, rarely used,
not even for company... grandparents shipped them from Latvia, very
old fashioned over sized utensils, soup spoons could be used as
serving spoons... forks are about like gardening tools.

Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
got a $1,500 repair bill. Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:15:09 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:12:08 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:19:08 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-11-29 1:53 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 11/29/2018 2:41 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-29 2:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/29/2018 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> **so I was immobile.* Guess who bought a dishwasher LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am using it a lot now though
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know a few people that have them and rarely use it.* I don't get
>>>>>> it. For two of us, it runs every other day.* Everything comes out
>>>>>> sparkling clean and it only takes 3 to 5 minutes to put it all away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything is sanitized too, a benefit during cold season.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have one but I very rarely use it. I find it easier to do the
>>>>> dishes by hand after each meal. I rinse them, wash them and put them
>>>>> in the rack to dry and it is a lot easier than loading and unloading
>>>>> the machine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what I don't get.* No need to rinse, just put them in the
>>>> machine.* When full, push a button.* No more putting away than you have
>>>> already.* You save the washing time and the water.
>>>>
>>>> I washed plenty of dishes growing up and no longer have to.* If you're
>>>> happy, good for you, I like machines.
>>>
>>>As do I! And if you have one, why not use it!
>>>I live alone and use mine every 2-3 days.
>>
>>You must be a lazy useless ******* that you can't clean up after
>>yourself each day... WTF wipes your butt....
>
>Maybe he's not an OCD patient like you. Some people have better things
>to do.

Do you enjoy wiping Graham's butt?

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > I love those firepits! But dang it, if I sit outside and it's cold
> > enough to have a fire, I'm going inside where it's heated!
>
> I wouldn't enjoy a firepit in a back yard but I've always loved
> to go wilderness camping out in the wild and sit around a
> campfire at night. What do I mean about wilderness camping?
> That's where you hike into a forest a good ways, carrying every
> thing you need on your back. No coolers, no fancy things. Just
> tent, sleeping bag, only basic food needs and a good knife...you
> *always* carry a good knife. No coolers, no radios, no cell
> phones, etc.
>
>
Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
is done in a motorhome.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:57:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/29/2018 9:28 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Dishwashers do NOT sanitize... and if you store your dishes in an
>> ordinary cupboard they are not sanitized... your kitchen is NOT a
>> laboratory clean room. No one eats from sterile dishes except me when
>> I eat from paper plates... paper plates are sterile.
>>
>
>Actually, most do
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...ontentId=18253
>
>Once you open that package of paper plates they are no cleaner than the
>newspaper sitting out on the porch in the morning.
>What chemicals are in paper plates?
>Toxins and chemicals do exist in paper plates, such as volatile organic
>compounds (VOCs), polystyrene and dioxin.
>
>https://healthyliving.azcentral.com/...-12348212.html

That plate of spaghetti looks as fake as that article... click on it.

We buy uncoated paper plates, Every fast food joint serves food on
coated paper, yet it's food safe same as the paper plates we buy...
the uncoated plates are essentially thick starched TP... we
specifically buy uncoated because they absorb grease, plus they cost
less than plastic coated with fancy designs.

Paper plates we buy from BJs are in a sealed plastic bag in a sealed
corrugated carton. We flip the stack of plates over and deal them
from the bottom of the deck so the food surface doesn't come in
contact with air... the plates are actually stuck together, need to be
peeled apart. Paper plates are indeed sterile from the manufacturing
process, same as newsprint, TP, same as other paper... a ream package
of printer paper is sterile too.... a roll of butcher paper is
sterile, so are brown paper bags

Of course sterile can be toxic, but those products are food safe, they
are not toxic... otherwise all food would be contaminated with toxins.
Next time you go to a butcher shop have them slap those steaks and
chops directly into your hands, tell them no butcher paper and no
brown paper bag. And I guess you will be giving up ice cream because
it's packaged in toxic paper cartons. My doctor's office has a water
cooler and a stack of toxic paper cups. And whatever you do don't
touch that toxic TP... from now on use a Fuller Brush bottle brush.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:04:07 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>
>> " wrote:
>> >
>> > I love those firepits! But dang it, if I sit outside and it's cold
>> > enough to have a fire, I'm going inside where it's heated!
>>
>> I wouldn't enjoy a firepit in a back yard but I've always loved
>> to go wilderness camping out in the wild and sit around a
>> campfire at night. What do I mean about wilderness camping?
>> That's where you hike into a forest a good ways, carrying every
>> thing you need on your back. No coolers, no fancy things. Just
>> tent, sleeping bag, only basic food needs and a good knife...you
>> *always* carry a good knife. No coolers, no radios, no cell
>> phones, etc.
>>
>>
>Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
>with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
>is done in a motorhome.

You make me think of Yellowstone light years ago. We were in our tent
with three kids and a hamster and a mouse and I was chatting to the
woman opposite us in a camper truck. She showed me round, it had a
heater if the temp dropped, an a/c if the temp rose, a stove, a toilet
you name it. She kept referring to it as 'camping' and how much she
loved it and you can guess what I was thinking lol

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 11/29/2018 6:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > Safety first- Have a good fire screen. Mine is on feet and flush to
> > the wall. The 'feet' are solid metal flat to the brick infront of
> > the fireplace so it can't fall over. It's fine holed enough to let
> > heat through but not sparks. We also have a fire resistant matt on
> > the floor before it that is 1 foot past each side of the actual
> > fireplace opening and 2feet deep.
> > - When shoveling out the 'ash' never assume all is 'dead'. We use a
> > bucket partly filed with water incase we catch a 'live cherry coal'
> > in there and didn't realize it. (obviously if a week later with no
> > fire, not an issue).
> >
> > Anyways, that's all I am thinking of right now.
> >
>
> Adding to the safety, everyone, burning a fire or not, should have a
> fire extinguisher handy too.
>
> I used a small metal can with lid for ashes. Amazing how long they
> can smolder so I'd only dump the can after it sat for a week. They
> are good for the garden though.
h
God adition on the extinguiser. We have one. Thanks, that is a good
safety note.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:49:11 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:10:16 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>I know a few people that have them and rarely use it. I don't get it.
>>For two of us, it runs every other day. Everything comes out sparkling
>>clean and it only takes 3 to 5 minutes to put it all away.
>>
>>Everything is sanitized too, a benefit during cold season.
>
>We bought our first one when the kids were fairly young and we noticed
>right away that various ailments did not necessarily do the rounds of
>the household anymore, an individual could have something and the rest
>of us not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Just because B happened after A doesn't mean A caused B.

> wrote in message news:c6d9f769-6cc9-4930-9439-

> Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as
> swimming
> with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for
> me
> is done in a motorhome.


We did so much camping as kids because it was a cheaper form of
entertainment and we lived close to the Umpqua River, but I absolutely hate
it. I can do a motorhome, but I prefer a nice cabin.

Cheri

On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:

>>
> Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
> with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
> is done in a motorhome.
>

We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
that night.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
>
> >>
> > Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
> > with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
> > is done in a motorhome.
> >
>
> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
> that night.


On one family trip in the early 70's we stayed at a run - down motel in Akron, it had all tacky late 50's furniture...the TV was a Philco Predicta:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicta

Now all those motel furnishings would be collector$' item$...

I'm old enough to remember crummy "tourist cabin" types of places, when Holiday Inn arrived on the scene in the early 60's, it was a huge deal, the lap of luxury...that and the new Interstate highways *really* improved the travel experience...and also affordable auto A/C was a biggie.

"See Rock City"

--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > > Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
> > > with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
> > > is done in a motorhome.
> > >
> >
> > We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
> > had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
> > that night.
>
>
> On one family trip in the early 70's we stayed at a run - down motel in Akron, it had all tacky late 50's furniture...the TV was a Philco Predicta:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicta
>
> Now all those motel furnishings would be collector$' item$...
>
> I'm old enough to remember crummy "tourist cabin" types of places, when Holiday Inn arrived on the scene in the early 60's, it was a huge deal, the lap of luxury...that and the new Interstate highways *really* improved the travel experience...and also affordable auto A/C was a biggie.
>
> "See Rock City"
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

"Posh" meant "the Interstate rest area has flush toilets".

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 11:50:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
>
>>>
>> Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
>> with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
>> is done in a motorhome.
>>
>
>We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
>had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
>that night.

Did you sue?

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 12:45:36 AM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message news:c6d9f769-6cc9-4930-9439-
>
> > Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as
> > swimming
> > with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for
> > me
> > is done in a motorhome.
>
>
> We did so much camping as kids because it was a cheaper form of
> entertainment and we lived close to the Umpqua River, but I absolutely hate
> it. I can do a motorhome, but I prefer a nice cabin.
>
> Cheri
>
We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house. Never stayed in
a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:50:11 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
>
> > Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
> > with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
> > is done in a motorhome.
> >
>
> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
> that night.
>
Now, that's roughing it!!

First time ex-b/f and I went anywhere in his motorhome was to Pigeon Forge.
There was huge campground and about 7 or 8 spaces down was a family in a
giant tent. It had to be a giant tent because there were about 6 or 7
children in that family. They had strung up a clothes line between two
trees and there were at least a dozen pairs of blue jeans hanging there to
dry. My first thought was it wasn't much of a vacation for mom as she was
still doing laundry and most likely cooking at least twice a day.

On 2018-12-01 3:21 PM, wrote:

> We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
> it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house. Never stayed in
> a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.


We went camping a few times when I was a kid. My mother only came a few
times because she had an extreme fear of mice.

wrote:
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:50:11 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
>>> with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
>>> is done in a motorhome.
>>>
>>
>> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
>> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
>> that night.
>>
> Now, that's roughing it!!
>
> First time ex-b/f and I went anywhere in his motorhome was to Pigeon Forge.
> There was huge campground and about 7 or 8 spaces down was a family in a
> giant tent. It had to be a giant tent because there were about 6 or 7
> children in that family. They had strung up a clothes line between two
> trees and there were at least a dozen pairs of blue jeans hanging there to
> dry. My first thought was it wasn't much of a vacation for mom as she was
> still doing laundry and most likely cooking at least twice a day.
>

The smokies can be nice if you stay away from Dolly's giant titty
tourist industry.

The lady at the campsite several spaces down was performing a labor of
love. Some never experience that, and some are incapable, but those who
do can remember it well, and most never have regrets.

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 17:40:20 -0600, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:50:11 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2018 7:04 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as swimming
>>>> with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it for me
>>>> is done in a motorhome.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
>>> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
>>> that night.
>>>
>> Now, that's roughing it!!
>>
>> First time ex-b/f and I went anywhere in his motorhome was to Pigeon Forge.
>> There was huge campground and about 7 or 8 spaces down was a family in a
>> giant tent. It had to be a giant tent because there were about 6 or 7
>> children in that family. They had strung up a clothes line between two
>> trees and there were at least a dozen pairs of blue jeans hanging there to
>> dry. My first thought was it wasn't much of a vacation for mom as she was
>> still doing laundry and most likely cooking at least twice a day.
>>
>
>The smokies can be nice if you stay away from Dolly's giant titty
>tourist industry.
>
>The lady at the campsite several spaces down was performing a labor of
>love. Some never experience that, and some are incapable, but those who
>do can remember it well, and most never have regrets.

She was a prostitute?

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-01 3:21 PM, wrote:
>
>> We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
>> it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house. Never stayed in
>> a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.
>
>
> We went camping a few times when I was a kid. My mother only came a few
> times because she had an extreme fear of mice.
>
>


What did she do when a mouse appeared? I suppose it caused a panic
attack? Was the big niece not there, or did she also go apeshit as well?

Did you have to call the RCMP?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 11/28/2018 9:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > >
> > > With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am
> > > surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat.
> >
> > Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many
> > issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more
> > damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year.
> >
>
> Not since the 1950s. Car are rather clean today. Some woodstoves to
> have catalytic converters, most don't. Outdoor wood boilers have
> been banned is some towns in CT because of the pollution.
>
> http://woodsmoke.3sc.net/woodheater-car-comparison
>
> The NSW EPA estimates that a new wood heater emits 9.8 kg of
> health-hazardous PM2.5 for every tonne of firewood burned and about
> 20 grams of PM2.5 in the first hour after the stove is lit. Petrol
> cars emit 1 mg PM2.5 per km, or 1 gram per 1,000 km. Thus a brand
> new heater will emit more PM2.5 in the first hour after lighting than
> a petrol car in an entire year of driving.
>
>
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-alternatives/
> The Childrens Health Environmental Coalition (CHEC) concurs, citing
> a raft of studies that show how children living in wood-burning
> households experience €œhigher rates of lung inflammation, breathing
> difficulties, pneumonia, and other respiratory diseases.€� For its
> part, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency warns that those with
> congestive heart failure, angina, chronic obstructive pulmonary
> disease, emphysema or asthma should avoid wood smoke if possible.
> Wood smoke is also bad for the outdoors environment, contributing to
> smog, acid rain and other problems.
>
> https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health

Was talking about global climate change Ed, not kids and fireplaces.

> wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 12:45:36 AM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> news:c6d9f769-6cc9-4930-9439-
>>
>> > Nope, nope, nope. Wilderness camping is about as appealing to me as
>> > swimming
>> > with great white sharks or chasing skunks. 'Camping' and roughing it
>> > for
>> > me
>> > is done in a motorhome.
>>
>>
>> We did so much camping as kids because it was a cheaper form of
>> entertainment and we lived close to the Umpqua River, but I absolutely
>> hate
>> it. I can do a motorhome, but I prefer a nice cabin.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
> it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house. Never stayed in
> a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.

Cabins like these.

https://postimg.cc/23S3ZfWz/69cbc111

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 5:40:27 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> The smokies can be nice if you stay away from Dolly's giant titty
> tourist industry.
>
I've been there a dozen times but not once hit Dollywood.
>
> The lady at the campsite several spaces down was performing a labor of
> love. Some never experience that, and some are incapable, but those who
> do can remember it well, and most never have regrets.
>
She probably did enjoy it for just the fact of getting out of the house.

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:33:15 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
> > it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house. Never stayed in
> > a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.
>
> Cabins like these.
>
> https://postimg.cc/23S3ZfWz/69cbc111
>
Oooooh, I like that; sign me up!

In article >, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:

> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
> that night.

I've done a lot of camping under the stars on a cot. I did it three
weeks ago when it got to 13F at dawn. I'm getting too old, and that was
probably the last time. The trick is a hot campfire, a comfortable camp
chair, a boatload of beer and at least one boyhood friend. Oh...and
being ready for a cold night. The newfangled part is a iPhone with my
favorite music. Ah, to be young again.

leo

In article >,
> wrote:

> Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
> dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
> me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
> flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
> so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
> Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
> also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
> spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
> them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
> pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
> rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
> added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
> got a $1,500 repair bill. Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
> don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
> Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.

Look at the bright side. Those are the last tires you will probably
ever need for the Landcruiser. Anybody else think like that? I believe
I've bought the last furnace, roof, vehicles and probably tires that
I'll ever need. It's liberating in a way. YMMV.

leo

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 9:51:05 PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
> > Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
> > don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
> > Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.
>
(Some snippage.)
>
> Look at the bright side. Those are the last tires you will probably
> ever need for the Landcruiser. Anybody else think like that? I believe
> I've bought the last furnace, roof, vehicles and probably tires that
> I'll ever need. It's liberating in a way. YMMV.
>
> leo
>
I bought a new car right after Christmas 2017 and thought it will probably
be my last new one as I kept the Explorer for 20 years. Doubt I've seen
the last purchase of furnace, water heater, or roof.

On 2018-12-01 8:32 p.m., Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
>>>
>> We never got to camp as kids but if there is no motorhome available then
>> it needs to be a nice motel to get me out of the house.* Never stayed in
>> a cabin but if it has all the amenities then I'm game.
>
> Cabins like these.
>
> https://postimg.cc/23S3ZfWz/69cbc111

In this corner of the world they are called cottages. Further north,
they are called camp. The concept has changed over the years. When I
was a kid we spend a number of vacations in rented cottages. They were
usually relatively primitive buildings. Some had primitive plumbing. I
remember some that had pumps at kitchen sinks. Modern cottages are more
like mansions in the woods.

On 2018-11-30 2:05 p.m., wrote:

> Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
> dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
> me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
> flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
> so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
> Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
> also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
> spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
> them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
> pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
> rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
> added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
> got a $1,500 repair bill.


Unfortunately, tires have a limited life. Steel belts fail after a
period of time, regardless of mileage. We bought my mother's car when
she had to give up driving. It only had about 25,000 km on it and
there was lots of tread on all four tires. After a couple weeks there
was a some shaking in the front end. Since it happened between certain
speeds I assumed it was a tire out of balance. I planned to take it in
on my day off. A couple days later, it was much worse and was happening
on both sides, so I had my wife take it in earlier. It wasn't tire
balance. The steel belts had failed, so I ended up having to replace all
four tires.

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:41:11 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, tires have a limited life. Steel belts fail after a
> period of time, regardless of mileage. We bought my mother's car when
> she had to give up driving. It only had about 25,000 km on it and
> there was lots of tread on all four tires. After a couple weeks there
> was a some shaking in the front end. Since it happened between certain
> speeds I assumed it was a tire out of balance. I planned to take it in
> on my day off. A couple days later, it was much worse and was happening
> on both sides, so I had my wife take it in earlier. It wasn't tire
> balance. The steel belts had failed, so I ended up having to replace all
> four tires.
>
I had two steel belted tires fail me on a trip to Louisville, KY once. The
steel actually was coming out of the sidewall and I had to leave my car about
40 miles from home and go back the next day with a spare.

They were defective tires and Goodyear replaced them for free. I was not the
only person who had the defective tires but I wonder if anyone else was stuck
in another state?

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
>> Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
>> dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
>> me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
>> flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
>> so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
>> Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
>> also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
>> spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
>> them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
>> pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
>> rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
>> added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
>> got a $1,500 repair bill. Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
>> don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
>> Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.
>
> Look at the bright side. Those are the last tires you will probably
> ever need for the Landcruiser. Anybody else think like that? I believe
> I've bought the last furnace, roof, vehicles and probably tires that
> I'll ever need. It's liberating in a way. YMMV.
>
> leo


Oh yeah! When we buy big ticket items now, we always assume it'll
probably be the last time we have to spring for them.

Cheri

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:28:14 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
t...
>> In article >,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
>>> dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
>>> me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
>>> flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
>>> so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
>>> Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
>>> also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
>>> spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
>>> them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
>>> pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
>>> rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
>>> added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
>>> got a $1,500 repair bill. Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
>>> don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
>>> Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.
>>
>> Look at the bright side. Those are the last tires you will probably
>> ever need for the Landcruiser. Anybody else think like that? I believe
>> I've bought the last furnace, roof, vehicles and probably tires that
>> I'll ever need. It's liberating in a way. YMMV.
>>
>> leo
>
>Oh yeah! When we buy big ticket items now, we always assume it'll
>probably be the last time we have to spring for them.
>
>Cheri

I never think that buying any item will be the last one.
Depends on the item. A tire can die at any time from road hazards,
although will be replaced for free less the pro-rated... roof shingles
are pro-rated too. Unfortunately a vehical can to totaled from an
accident, or might be stolen. The one I don't understand is the
furnace, a cast iron boiler should last two life times... it will
probably need electricals replaced and the fire box but a cast iron
boiler should last a very long time. A sheet metal furnace will
likely not last more than 15 years, same for a hot water tank.
The thing to consider with a vehical is eventually one will likely
have to give up their driver's licence

On Sat, 01 Dec 2018 19:34:24 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:
>
>> We stayed at a motel once that did not have a remote for the TV. You
>> had to turn a dial to change the channel. It was very primitive living
>> that night.
>
>I've done a lot of camping under the stars on a cot. I did it three
>weeks ago when it got to 13F at dawn. I'm getting too old, and that was
>probably the last time. The trick is a hot campfire, a comfortable camp
>chair, a boatload of beer and at least one boyhood friend. Oh...and
>being ready for a cold night. The newfangled part is a iPhone with my
>favorite music. Ah, to be young again.
>
>leo

Speaking of stars, I remember camping with family near Rapid City. We
had arrived after dark and I don't think I have ever seen such bright
stars, sitting outside the tent it was possible to read a book by
starlight. We thought it was marvellous until morning came and we
could see in the vale below us missile silos, back then in Cold War
days, not a nice sight.

We were in that area going to see Wild Bill Hickoks grave (the kids
were interested) and to our dismay found a very ornate granite type
headstone. In a pub later we saw the original wooden cross that had
been there - we couldn't imagine swapping them.

We enjoyed our trip across Canada then back through the USA immensely
but that was 1968, I doubt people do it with a tent these days. I
certainly would not want to camp again, but did love it then.

On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 11:31:38 -0400, wrote:

snip
>
>We were in that area going to see Wild Bill Hickoks grave (the kids
>were interested) and to our dismay found a very ornate granite type
>headstone. In a pub later we saw the original wooden cross that had
>been there - we couldn't imagine swapping them.
>
>We enjoyed our trip across Canada then back through the USA immensely
>but that was 1968, I doubt people do it with a tent these days. I
>certainly would not want to camp again, but did love it then.

If they hadn't changed the headstone out some yahoo would've pulled up
the original and put it on the wall of his game room as a dart target

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:28:14 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
et...
>>> In article >,
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yesterday turned out to be an expensive day for me, I went to my
>>>> dental appt, I needed a crown. In the midst of my dentist working on
>>>> me somone asked if that Landcruiser out front was mine... it has a
>>>> flat tire. Well fortunately the Mavis Tire center is right next door
>>>> so after my dental work I drove very slowly across the parking lot to
>>>> Mavis. They inspected the tire and determined it not repairable, and
>>>> also all the other tires were about ready to go from dry rot, even the
>>>> spare that lives underneath, that's an original from 1989. I told
>>>> them to replace the five tires and do an alignment. My wife came to
>>>> pick me up and I left my car. This morning Mavis called to say my
>>>> rear shocks are leaking, I told them to replace them. The car repairs
>>>> added insult to injury, as if the $1,300 crown wasn't enough, I also
>>>> got a $1,500 repair bill. Oh well I'd rather have all new tires,
>>>> don't need tire problems in winter. Now that I'm crowned call me King
>>>> Popeye. I still need to return in 2 weeks for the permanent crown.
>>>
>>> Look at the bright side. Those are the last tires you will probably
>>> ever need for the Landcruiser. Anybody else think like that? I believe
>>> I've bought the last furnace, roof, vehicles and probably tires that
>>> I'll ever need. It's liberating in a way. YMMV.
>>>
>>> leo
>>
>>Oh yeah! When we buy big ticket items now, we always assume it'll
>>probably be the last time we have to spring for them.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> I never think that buying any item will be the last one.
> Depends on the item. A tire can die at any time from road hazards,
> although will be replaced for free less the pro-rated... roof shingles
> are pro-rated too. Unfortunately a vehical can to totaled from an
> accident, or might be stolen. The one I don't understand is the
> furnace, a cast iron boiler should last two life times... it will
> probably need electricals replaced and the fire box but a cast iron
> boiler should last a very long time. A sheet metal furnace will
> likely not last more than 15 years, same for a hot water tank.
> The thing to consider with a vehical is eventually one will likely
> have to give up their driver's licence


Sure, all of those things CAN happen that's where the word "assume" comes
in.

Cheri

On 12/2/2018 10:24 AM, wrote:

> The one I don't understand is the
> furnace, a cast iron boiler should last two life times... it will
> probably need electricals replaced and the fire box but a cast iron
> boiler should last a very long time.

It will last longer than you want it too. If you have a 30 or more years
older boiler, it may be time to replace it no matter how good you think
it is.

I replaced mine that was 33 years old. The new one is saving me 38% in
oil compared to the old one. I was able to take advantage of a state
energy program that gave 0% financing too so I never put a penny out of
pocket, the savings in oil paid for it in 6 years. Now the savings goes
into my pocket.

As for the savings, I tracked oil use and degree days. I kept records
at each fill and then had them verified by Energy Kinetics, the boiler
maker.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/2/2018 10:24 AM, wrote:
>
>> The one I don't understand is the
>> furnace, a cast iron boiler should last two life times... it will
>> probably need electricals replaced and the fire box but a cast iron
>> boiler should last a very long time.
>
> It will last longer than you want it too. If you have a 30 or more years
> older boiler, it may be time to replace it no matter how good you think it
> is.
>
> I replaced mine that was 33 years old. The new one is saving me 38% in
> oil compared to the old one. I was able to take advantage of a state
> energy program that gave 0% financing too so I never put a penny out of
> pocket, the savings in oil paid for it in 6 years. Now the savings goes
> into my pocket.
>
> As for the savings, I tracked oil use and degree days. I kept records at
> each fill and then had them verified by Energy Kinetics, the boiler maker.


The Westinghouse air conditioning/heat unit for this house lasted 40 years,
we replaced it a very few years ago and already had one problem with it,
luckily still under warranty but it doesn't give you great faith in the "new
and improved stuff." So much is cheaply put together these days.

Cheri

On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 08:56:01 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 11:31:38 -0400, wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>We were in that area going to see Wild Bill Hickoks grave (the kids
>>were interested) and to our dismay found a very ornate granite type
>>headstone. In a pub later we saw the original wooden cross that had
>>been there - we couldn't imagine swapping them.
>>
>>We enjoyed our trip across Canada then back through the USA immensely
>>but that was 1968, I doubt people do it with a tent these days. I
>>certainly would not want to camp again, but did love it then.
>
>If they hadn't changed the headstone out some yahoo would've pulled up
>the original and put it on the wall of his game room as a dart target

We got the impression from the pub owner that the town changed it out
because it seemed too humble and not showy enough