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On 2018-11-28 9:21 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote: > >> cshenk wrote: >>> >>> Gary wrote: >>> >>>> cshenk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Snicker, law here is if you have a dog, you must have a dog >>>>> house even if you never leave them outside. >>>> >>>> This is cshenk in space. lol. >>>> http://i57.tinypic.com/301lgsj.gif >>>> (note: carol was there too but floated off screen)  >>>> >>>> I know you're retired Navy and have lived many places. >>>> Maybe somewhere required doghouses but certainly not in >>>> Virginia or Virginia Beach. >>>> >>>> You even made me google it this morning for a total waste of >>>> time. >>> >>> Falls under here. >>> >>> Adequate shelter means provision of and access to shelter that is >>> suitable for the species, age, condition, size, and type of each >>> animal; provides adequate space for each animal; is safe and >>> protects each animal from injury, rain, sleet, snow, hail, direct >>> sunlight, the adverse effects of heat or cold, physical suffering, >>> and impairment of health; is properly lighted; is properly cleaned; >>> enables each animal to be clean and dry, except when detrimental to >>> the species; and, for dogs and cats, provides a solid surface, >>> resting platform, pad, floormat, or similar device that is large >>> enough for the animal to lie on in a normal manner and can be >>> maintained in a sanitary manner. Under this chapter, shelters whose >>> wire, grid, or slat floors: (i) permit the animals' feet to pass >>> through the openings; (ii) sag under the animals' weight; or (iii) >>> otherwise do not protect the animals' feet or toes from injury are >>> not adequate shelter. >> >> That makes sense for caring for an outside pet but do you have a >> link from where you quoted that? I searched quite a bit for our >> area and even our state. Did not see anything about requiring >> doghouses but I limited my searches to Virginia and Virginia >> Beach. > > Probably your main problem was you were looking for 'dog houses' or > 'doghouses'. It's under shelter and you can be cited for it (though > it's rare unless there are other issues like dog left outside all the > time). > If you can't beat them with brains baffle them with bullshit. That is the definition for "Adequate Shelter", and deals with agricultural animals.... livestock and poultry. The definition of "Animal" applies to 3.2-6570, which is about cruelty to to animals. It does not say that you have to have a dog house if your dog is an inside pet. |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote: > >> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >> >> > > The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >> > > but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >> > > hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >> > > collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >> > > fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >> > > we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >> > > the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >> > > cooptime will tell. LOL >> > >> > I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >> > one chain saw. >> >> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >> home. >> >> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. > >Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health issues. Janet US |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
... > On 11/28/2018 9:25 PM, cshenk wrote: >> Dave Smith wrote: > >>> >>> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >> >> Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >> issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >> damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >> > > Not since the 1950s. Car are rather clean today. Some woodstoves to have > catalytic converters, most don't. Outdoor wood boilers have been banned > is some towns in CT because of the pollution. > > http://woodsmoke.3sc.net/woodheater-car-comparison > > The NSW EPA estimates that a new wood heater emits 9.8 kg of > health-hazardous PM2.5 for every tonne of firewood burned and about 20 > grams of PM2.5 in the first hour after the stove is lit. Petrol cars emit > 1 mg PM2.5 per km, or 1 gram per 1,000 km. Thus a brand new heater will > emit more PM2.5 in the first hour after lighting than a petrol car in an > entire year of driving. > > https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-alternatives/ > The Childrens Health Environmental Coalition (CHEC) concurs, citing a > raft of studies that show how children living in wood-burning households > experience higher rates of lung inflammation, breathing difficulties, > pneumonia, and other respiratory diseases. For its part, the U.S. > Environmental Protection Agency warns that those with congestive heart > failure, angina, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema or > asthma should avoid wood smoke if possible. Wood smoke is also bad for the > outdoors environment, contributing to smog, acid rain and other problems. > > https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/wood-smoke-and-your-health There's a reason why they have so many no burning fireplace days in Ca. My oldest daughter was very sensitive to the fireplace burning wood, so we changed it to gas. Cheri |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 7:04:23 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > Terry Coombs wrote: > > > On 11/26/2018 8:59 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > Working out how to share a photo. Nothing fancy here, just my > > > backyard and some of the wood pile > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...EcXJfBAiPMs5HM > > > > I'm guessing y'all heat with wood ... how many cords per year do > > you burn ? > > We augment the HVAC with a fireplace and that picture shows about 2 > cords (maybe 2.5) of wood. We burn from 1/2-1 cord a year (depends on > the cold that year). Last year due to Don's hernia issues, we used > less but the temps here are quite variable so that happens. > > Once the highs hit mid-40's we start the fireplace off. Give it 2 more > weeks or so here? Then we kick it off in the morning by 9am and bank > it by 9pm. The HVAC under those conditions kicks in randomly at 35F > outside but only regular at 20F. Runs about 150$ a month savings at > least, *after* paying for the wood. > > In my area we have 'heat pumps' so they lack efficiency of the true > cold weather systems. Noted is you need a home layout that takes proper > use of a fireplace. Open to heat much of the house. > Carol The first time I saw a wood burning stove in use was at my brother-in-law's place in Washington State. It was interesting to see a stove that wasn't used to cook food. That was a new concept. I even got a chance to wear long johns and chop wood. Whoa Nellie! As an added bonus, I love fire and would watch the fire through the glass for extended periods. My in-laws must have thought I was retarded. Perhaps I am. Ynuck, ynuck. == I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 Our bread was baked in that oven  When my parents were working, I used to come home from school to light that fire |
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On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: > > >Dave Smith wrote: > > > >> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: > >> > >> > > The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, > >> > > but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It > >> > > hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and > >> > > collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few > >> > > fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but > >> > > we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up > >> > > the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken > >> > > cooptime will tell. LOL > >> > > >> > I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least > >> > one chain saw. > >> > >> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a > >> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a > >> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went > >> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least > >> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent > >> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it > >> home. > >> > >> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am > >> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. > > > >Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many > >issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more > >damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. > > Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning > during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke > causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a > health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health > issues. > Janet US When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. |
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On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:10:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 7:04:23 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > Terry Coombs wrote: > > > > > On 11/26/2018 8:59 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > Working out how to share a photo. Nothing fancy here, just my > > > > backyard and some of the wood pile > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...EcXJfBAiPMs5HM > > > > > > I'm guessing y'all heat with wood ... how many cords per year do > > > you burn ? > > > > We augment the HVAC with a fireplace and that picture shows about 2 > > cords (maybe 2.5) of wood. We burn from 1/2-1 cord a year (depends on > > the cold that year). Last year due to Don's hernia issues, we used > > less but the temps here are quite variable so that happens. > > > > Once the highs hit mid-40's we start the fireplace off. Give it 2 more > > weeks or so here? Then we kick it off in the morning by 9am and bank > > it by 9pm. The HVAC under those conditions kicks in randomly at 35F > > outside but only regular at 20F. Runs about 150$ a month savings at > > least, *after* paying for the wood. > > > > In my area we have 'heat pumps' so they lack efficiency of the true > > cold weather systems. Noted is you need a home layout that takes proper > > use of a fireplace. Open to heat much of the house. > > Carol > > The first time I saw a wood burning stove in use was at my brother-in-law's > place in Washington State. It was interesting to see a stove that wasn't > used to cook food. That was a new concept. I even got a chance to wear long > johns and chop wood. Whoa Nellie! As an added bonus, I love fire and would > watch the fire through the glass for extended periods. My in-laws must have > thought I was retarded. Perhaps I am. Ynuck, ynuck. > > == > > I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 > > Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used to > come home from school to light that fire That's some amazing old timey technology. It was a fascinating video. Thanks! I can't say how something like that would work on this rock. It might work in some places in Hawaii but as a general rule, we have no provisions for heating homes. My parent's home had an all gas kitchen. In the 60's this was touted as the latest in modern kitchen technology. You save a lot of money by using a gas stove in Hawaii but what I remember most about the kitchen while growing up was that it was a hot, uncomfortable, place. I was at my dad's place during Thanksgiving and had to use their gas range. This was a modern gas range with beefy burners but it just infuriated me. I turned on the flame and then waited and waited for the pan to get hot. It seemed like a really long time. What I'd like is a burner that can heat up a pan in 3 seconds or less. Hee hee. |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:10:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 7:04:23 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote: > > Terry Coombs wrote: > > > > > On 11/26/2018 8:59 AM, cshenk wrote: > > > > Working out how to share a photo. Nothing fancy here, just my > > > > backyard and some of the wood pile > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...EcXJfBAiPMs5HM > > > > > > I'm guessing y'all heat with wood ... how many cords per year do > > > you burn ? > > > > We augment the HVAC with a fireplace and that picture shows about 2 > > cords (maybe 2.5) of wood. We burn from 1/2-1 cord a year (depends on > > the cold that year). Last year due to Don's hernia issues, we used > > less but the temps here are quite variable so that happens. > > > > Once the highs hit mid-40's we start the fireplace off. Give it 2 more > > weeks or so here? Then we kick it off in the morning by 9am and bank > > it by 9pm. The HVAC under those conditions kicks in randomly at 35F > > outside but only regular at 20F. Runs about 150$ a month savings at > > least, *after* paying for the wood. > > > > In my area we have 'heat pumps' so they lack efficiency of the true > > cold weather systems. Noted is you need a home layout that takes proper > > use of a fireplace. Open to heat much of the house. > > Carol > > The first time I saw a wood burning stove in use was at my > brother-in-law's > place in Washington State. It was interesting to see a stove that wasn't > used to cook food. That was a new concept. I even got a chance to wear > long > johns and chop wood. Whoa Nellie! As an added bonus, I love fire and would > watch the fire through the glass for extended periods. My in-laws must > have > thought I was retarded. Perhaps I am. Ynuck, ynuck. > > == > > I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 > > Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used > to > come home from school to light that fire That's some amazing old timey technology. It was a fascinating video. Thanks! I can't say how something like that would work on this rock. It might work in some places in Hawaii but as a general rule, we have no provisions for heating homes. My parent's home had an all gas kitchen. In the 60's this was touted as the latest in modern kitchen technology. You save a lot of money by using a gas stove in Hawaii but what I remember most about the kitchen while growing up was that it was a hot, uncomfortable, place. I was at my dad's place during Thanksgiving and had to use their gas range. This was a modern gas range with beefy burners but it just infuriated me. I turned on the flame and then waited and waited for the pan to get hot. It seemed like a really long time. What I'd like is a burner that can heat up a pan in 3 seconds or less. Hee hee. == I suppose I could try and dig out my magic wand for you?? You might have to magic the sun away for a while though ;p |
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On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > I suppose I could try and dig out my magic wand for you?? You might have to > magic the sun away for a while though > > ;p Make the sun go away? That's black magic! OTOH, you don't need magic to heat up a pan in seconds - an induction coil would work just fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ya8fxm89jk |
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"dsi1" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > > I suppose I could try and dig out my magic wand for you?? You might have > to > magic the sun away for a while though > > ;p Make the sun go away? That's black magic! OTOH, you don't need magic to heat up a pan in seconds - an induction coil would work just fine. Well I did say 'for a while'. I was just thinking you might like things a little cooler by the way you were talking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ya8fxm89jk Did you really mean to post a vid of 'A Cool Tool for Removing Rusted bolts and fasteners'??? ) |
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On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 > > > Our bread was* baked in that oven * When my parents were working, I > used to come home from school to light that fire > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, that's what he installed in the kitchen. My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old scullery to a modern galley kitchen. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >> >> >Dave Smith wrote: >> > >> >> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: ///// I didn't write that.///// >> >> > > The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >> >> > > but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >> >> > > hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >> >> > > collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >> >> > > fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >> >> > > we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >> >> > > the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >> >> > > cooptime will tell. LOL >> >> > >> >> > I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >> >> > one chain saw. >> >> >> >> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >> >> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >> >> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >> >> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >> >> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >> >> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >> >> home. >> >> >> >> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >> >> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >> > >> >Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >> >issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >> >damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >> >> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >> issues. >> Janet US > >When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >wrote: > >>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>> >>> >Dave Smith wrote: >>> > >>> >> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >///// I didn't write that.///// >>> >> > > The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>> >> > > but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>> >> > > hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>> >> > > collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>> >> > > fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>> >> > > we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>> >> > > the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>> >> > > cooptime will tell. LOL >>> >> > >>> >> > I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>> >> > one chain saw. >>> >> >>> >> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>> >> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>> >> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>> >> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >>> >> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >>> >> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >>> >> home. >>> >> >>> >> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>> >> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>> > >>> >Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>> >issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>> >damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>> >>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>> issues. >>> Janet US >> >>When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the chimney. Janet US |
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On 2018-11-29 6:42 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: > >> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >> >> >> Our bread was* baked in that oven * When my parents were working, I >> used to come home from school to light that fire >> > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! > When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, > that's what he installed in the kitchen. > My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when > my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old > scullery to a modern galley kitchen. > My Grandmother cooked on a somewhat simpler version. She always steamed the vegetables and I suppose it prevented them "catching". My Gt Aunt had one with a big brass tap on the hot water reservoir. |
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: > I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 > > Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used > to come home from school to light that fire > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, that's what he installed in the kitchen. My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old scullery to a modern galley kitchen. === Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> > cshenk wrote: > > Probably your main problem was you were looking for 'dog houses' or > > 'doghouses'. It's under shelter and you can be cited for it (though > > it's rare unless there are other issues like dog left outside all the > > time). > > > > If you can't beat them with brains baffle them with bullshit. That is > the definition for "Adequate Shelter", and deals with agricultural > animals.... livestock and poultry. The definition of "Animal" applies > to 3.2-6570, which is about cruelty to to animals. It does not say that > you have to have a dog house if your dog is an inside pet. If the "dog house police" ever show up and ask where is the dog house, just point to your own house and say, that's the dog house. Lives and sleeps inside there. |
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On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister"* wrote in message ... > On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >> >> Our bread was* baked in that oven * When my parents were working, I >> used to come home from school to light that fire >> > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! > When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, > that's what he installed in the kitchen. > My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when > my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old > scullery to a modern galley kitchen. > > === > > Cor, posh ))* Sounds like it brought back a memory or two> Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber pots under each bed. |
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: > "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used>> to come home from school to light that fire >> > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! > When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, > that's what he installed in the kitchen. > My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when > my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old > scullery to a modern galley kitchen. > > === > > Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two> Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber pots under each bed. == LOL ask me how I remember that )) Yes, I too would be absolutely amazed tosee all that in those days )) |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:15:19 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote: >On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote: > >>On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>wrote: >> >>>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>>> >>>> >Dave Smith wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >>///// I didn't write that.///// >>>> >> > > The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>>> >> > > but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>>> >> > > hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>>> >> > > collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>>> >> > > fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>>> >> > > we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>>> >> > > the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>>> >> > > cooptime will tell. LOL >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>>> >> > one chain saw. >>>> >> >>>> >> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>>> >> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>>> >> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>>> >> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >>>> >> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >>>> >> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >>>> >> home. >>>> >> >>>> >> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>>> >> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>>> > >>>> >Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>>> >issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>>> >damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>>> >>>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>>> issues. >>>> Janet US >>> >>>When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. > >collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack >your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch >the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. >Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. >Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and >went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would >then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. >Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. >That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split >by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to >have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a >burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. >Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or >vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. >Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed >that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from >someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the >chimney. >Janet US With fireplaces and wood stoves most of the BTUs contained in wood goes right up the chimney.... they even suck the heated air from the rest of the house, only the area near the fireplase and woodstove get warm, usually too warm, and dry. With ventless gas heaters no heat goes up a chimney and no chimney cleaning... there is no chimney... they are 99% efficient and need no electricity. Some are utilitarian in appearance, some have an elaborate appearance. With my ventless gas heater I save substantial $$$ and requires no labor whatsoever: https://postimg.cc/62mvp4Ln Check them out: http://worldmkting.com/gas-appliances/ga-all/ In the past I've heated with oil, kerosene, coal, and wood... all stink, literally too. Now I heat with propane... if I ever heat with wood again put me in the loony bin, only low IQ nutcases heat with wood. I can understand that some like a wood fire to look at the fire but not for home heating. Some of my neighbors have an outside firepit that they like to sit around on a chilly evening for eating dinner, but it's more an outside campfire... however they cook dinner on the Weber. |
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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:15:19 -0700, U.S. Janet B. > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >>> ///// I didn't write that.///// >>>>>>>>> The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>>>>>>>> but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>>>>>>>> hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>>>>>>>> collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>>>>>>>> fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>>>>>>>> we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>>>>>>>> the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>>>>>>>> cooptime will tell. LOL >>>>>>>> I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>>>>>>> one chain saw. >>>>>>> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>>>>>> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>>>>>> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>>>>>> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >>>>>>> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >>>>>>> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >>>>>>> home. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>>>>>> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>>>>> Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>>>>> issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>>>>> damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>>>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>>>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>>>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>>>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>>>> issues. >>>>> Janet US >>>> When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. >> collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack >> your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch >> the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. >> Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. >> Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and >> went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would >> then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. >> Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. >> That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split >> by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to >> have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a >> burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. >> Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or >> vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. >> Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed >> that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from >> someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the >> chimney. >> Janet US > With fireplaces and wood stoves most of the BTUs contained in wood > goes right up the chimney.... they even suck the heated air from the > rest of the house, only the area near the fireplase and woodstove get > warm, usually too warm, and dry. > > With ventless gas heaters no heat goes up a chimney and no chimney > cleaning... there is no chimney... they are 99% efficient and need no > electricity. Some are utilitarian in appearance, some have an > elaborate appearance. With my ventless gas heater I save substantial > $$$ and requires no labor whatsoever: > https://postimg.cc/62mvp4Ln > Check them out: > http://worldmkting.com/gas-appliances/ga-all/ > > In the past I've heated with oil, kerosene, coal, and wood... all > stink, literally too. Now I heat with propane... if I ever heat with > wood again put me in the loony bin, only low IQ nutcases heat with > wood. I can understand that some like a wood fire to look at the fire > but not for home heating. Some of my neighbors have an outside > firepit that they like to sit around on a chilly evening for eating > dinner, but it's more an outside campfire... however they cook dinner > on the Weber. > > * Doesn't the bullshit splatter on you while beating that "wood heat sucks" drum ? I have a ventless LPG heater almost identical to the picture you posted . It has all the drawbacks you claim for wood heat - uneven heating and the only place it's warm is right in front of it . Our wood stove resides in a corner of the living room with a fan mounted in a hole in the bedroom/living room wall to circulate the heat . As I said , I designed this house with wood heat in mind ... and the only low-IQ nutcase I see here is you . You should just give up and admit that you're WRONG about this , just as you are with so many things . Unless you LIKE being made out to be a fool -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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wrote: > > >"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > >On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: > >> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >> >> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used >> to come home from school to light that fire >> >I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >that's what he installed in the kitchen. >My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >scullery to a modern galley kitchen. > >=== > >Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or twoWhen I was very young my mom cooked on a coal stove... the house was heated with a coal boiler in the basement that produced steam for the cast iron radiators in each room. Burning coal was very dirty. We had a shaker grate used to salvage the bits of unburned coal from the ashes... I hated that job. Back then a ton of pea coal cost $3. Eventually everyone converted to oil heat; 12/gallon. |
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wrote: > > >"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > >On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... >> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >>> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I used>>> to come home from school to light that fire >>> >> I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >> When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >> that's what he installed in the kitchen. >> My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >> my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >> scullery to a modern galley kitchen. >> >> === >> >> Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two>> >Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. >Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's >indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber >pots under each bed. > >== > >LOL ask me how I remember that )) Yes, I too would be absolutely amazed to>see all that in those days ))We had an ice-a-box too. We had no dishwasher, my mom never had a dishwasher... that's why she had kids. lol |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:42:01 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote: >On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: > >> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >> >> >> Our bread was* baked in that oven * When my parents were working, I >> used to come home from school to light that fire >> >I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >that's what he installed in the kitchen. >My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >scullery to a modern galley kitchen. My grandmother had a Rayburn, modelled after the AGA and when we lived on a poultry farm on the Devonshire moors, we had an AGA. How I loved it, it even had those old wooden hangers up to the ceiling to dry/air washing, in such a climate, pre-dryers, wonderful |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:46:57 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... > >On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... >> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >>> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I >>> used >>> to come home from school to light that fire >>> >> I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >> When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >> that's what he installed in the kitchen. >> My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >> my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >> scullery to a modern galley kitchen. >> >> === >> >> Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two>> >Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. >Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's >indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber >pots under each bed. > >== > >LOL ask me how I remember that )) Yes, I too would be absolutely amazed >to >see all that in those days ))We had an ice-a-box too. We had no dishwasher, my mom never had a dishwasher... that's why she had kids. lol == Aye, ice box. It all went into the pantry and nothing like that was stored. It was all used up fast. Dishwasher?? That was me! |
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(in article >): > On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: > > > I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=i v& > > src_vid=o26wsMACJM0&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 > > > > > > Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I> > used to come home from school to light that fire > I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! > When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, > that's what he installed in the kitchen. > My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when > my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old > scullery to a modern galley kitchen. Most of my older relatives had ranges like that, although not quite to the same design. What I cannot replicate from modern ovens is how they managed to slow roast joints of meat without them drying out. I have tried regular basting of mine, but to no avail. I have now been reduced to wrap them tightly in foil including some form of fat and this is much closer to their results, but still not quite there. Possibly the meat in those far off days was not bred to be so lean, and there was more fat contained within the joints that were sold by the local butcher? |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:01:08 -0600, Terry Coombs >
wrote: >On 11/29/2018 10:49 AM, wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:15:19 -0700, U.S. Janet B. > >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >>>> ///// I didn't write that.///// >>>>>>>>>> The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>>>>>>>>> but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>>>>>>>>> hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>>>>>>>>> collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>>>>>>>>> fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>>>>>>>>> we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>>>>>>>>> the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>>>>>>>>> cooptime will tell. LOL >>>>>>>>> I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>>>>>>>> one chain saw. >>>>>>>> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>>>>>>> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>>>>>>> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>>>>>>> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >>>>>>>> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >>>>>>>> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>>>>>>> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>>>>>> Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>>>>>> issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>>>>>> damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>>>>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>>>>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>>>>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>>>>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>>>>> issues. >>>>>> Janet US >>>>> When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. >>> collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack >>> your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch >>> the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. >>> Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. >>> Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and >>> went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would >>> then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. >>> Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. >>> That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split >>> by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to >>> have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a >>> burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. >>> Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or >>> vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. >>> Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed >>> that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from >>> someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the >>> chimney. >>> Janet US >> With fireplaces and wood stoves most of the BTUs contained in wood >> goes right up the chimney.... they even suck the heated air from the >> rest of the house, only the area near the fireplase and woodstove get >> warm, usually too warm, and dry. >> >> With ventless gas heaters no heat goes up a chimney and no chimney >> cleaning... there is no chimney... they are 99% efficient and need no >> electricity. Some are utilitarian in appearance, some have an >> elaborate appearance. With my ventless gas heater I save substantial >> $$$ and requires no labor whatsoever: >> https://postimg.cc/62mvp4Ln >> Check them out: >> http://worldmkting.com/gas-appliances/ga-all/ >> >> In the past I've heated with oil, kerosene, coal, and wood... all >> stink, literally too. Now I heat with propane... if I ever heat with >> wood again put me in the loony bin, only low IQ nutcases heat with >> wood. I can understand that some like a wood fire to look at the fire >> but not for home heating. Some of my neighbors have an outside >> firepit that they like to sit around on a chilly evening for eating >> dinner, but it's more an outside campfire... however they cook dinner >> on the Weber. >> >> > * Doesn't the bullshit splatter on you while beating that "wood heat >sucks" drum ? I have a ventless LPG heater almost identical to the >picture you posted . It has all the drawbacks you claim for wood heat - There's zero heat up a chimney, no fercocktah mess and laborious wood and ashes, and no polluted home. You sir are king of the BSers. Why do I need a chainsaw, I don't, but it's too costly otherwise to have someone remove the fallen trees so I cut some myself, however I can sometimes find a neighbor who will do the deed for the firewood. Right now I'm waiting for the local tree removal service to take down five gigantic Norway spruce, one fell in the last wind storm, they are too old so need to go... as soon as the ground freezes solid for him to bring in his heavy equipment. >uneven heating and the only place it's warm is right in front of it . Then you don't know how to locate gas heaters. They are available in several sizes, place the correct size in each room. Mine is in my basement, heats the basement evenly and in turn heats the entire house evenly. I have a small ventless gas heater in the shop attached behind my detached garage now a garden shed. That 10,000 BTU unit works great for that small space, but I don't use it much as I don't do much in winter there anymore. I used to do a lot of tool sharpening but not so much anymore, basically I really don't feel like it, but I still sharpen twist drills for some local contractors, never know when a favor is needed. >Our wood stove resides in a corner of the living room with a fan mounted >in a hole in the bedroom/living room wall to circulate the heat . As I >said , I designed this house with wood heat in mind ... and the only >low-IQ nutcase I see here is you . You should just give up and admit >that you're WRONG about this , just as you are with so many things . >Unless you LIKE being made out to be a fool You know what, I don't believe a word you say, to date all you've done is type gibberish, you've showed us ZERO. I probably have more split firewood in my barn left from the last owner than you have... those split logs make good skids to keep my tractor implements up off the ground. I don't burn any wood in the monster water jacketed wood stove he left behind, it's all disconnected now but is too big and heavy to bring up from the basement, so no one wants it even for free... Barny the cat adopted it as his sleeping spot. |
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> wrote: >On 11/29/2018 12:04 PM, wrote: > >> When I was very young my mom cooked on a coal stove... the house was >> heated with a coal boiler in the basement that produced steam for the >> cast iron radiators in each room. Burning coal was very dirty. We >> had a shaker grate used to salvage the bits of unburned coal from the >> ashes... I hated that job. Back then a ton of pea coal cost $3. >> Eventually everyone converted to oil heat; 12/gallon. >> >When I was little, my mother cooked on a combination stove - four gas >burners on the right, and the two on the left were heated by coal >(later, we used wood). The oven could be heated by either the fire or >gas. No pilot lights. There was a warming shelf above the cooktop. And no oven thermostat, only a temperature gauge in the door... had to know how to bank the fire. |
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wrote: > > >wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:46:57 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... >> >>On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... >>> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >>>> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I >>>> used >>>> to come home from school to light that fire >>>> >>> I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >>> When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >>> that's what he installed in the kitchen. >>> My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >>> my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >>> scullery to a modern galley kitchen. >>> >>> === >>> >>> Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two>>> >>Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. >>Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's >>indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber >>pots under each bed. >> >>== >> >>LOL ask me how I remember that )) Yes, I too would be absolutely amazed >>to >>see all that in those days ))> >We had an ice-a-box too. We had no dishwasher, my mom never had a >dishwasher... that's why she had kids. lol > >== > >Aye, ice box. It all went into the pantry and nothing like that was stored. >It was all used up fast. > >Dishwasher?? That was me! The dishwasher is still me. We have a nice Maytag but it's very rarely used. I much prefer to wash the few dishes by hand and I wash everything I use as I cook. I never leave any unwashed things in the sink... a lot of folks do that but then their sink reminds me of an unflushed toilet. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:22:57 -0500, S Viemeister > wrote: >On 11/29/2018 12:04 PM, wrote: > >> When I was very young my mom cooked on a coal stove... the house was >> heated with a coal boiler in the basement that produced steam for the >> cast iron radiators in each room. Burning coal was very dirty. We >> had a shaker grate used to salvage the bits of unburned coal from the >> ashes... I hated that job. Back then a ton of pea coal cost $3. >> Eventually everyone converted to oil heat; 12/gallon. >> >When I was little, my mother cooked on a combination stove - four gas >burners on the right, and the two on the left were heated by coal >(later, we used wood). The oven could be heated by either the fire or >gas. No pilot lights. There was a warming shelf above the cooktop. And no oven thermostat, only a temperature gauge in the door... had to know how to bank the fire. == Never stopped us from getting great baking I guess you just need to know how to do it! |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:38:51 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote: > > >wrote in message ... > >On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:46:57 -0000, "Ophelia" > >wrote: > >> >> >>"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... >> >>On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> "S Viemeister" wrote in message >>> ... >>> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >>>> Our bread was baked in that oven When my parents were working, I>>>> used >>>> to come home from school to light that fire >>>> >>> I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >>> When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >>> that's what he installed in the kitchen. >>> My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >>> my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the old >>> scullery to a modern galley kitchen. >>> >>> === >>> >>> Cor, posh )) Sounds like it brought back a memory or two>>> >>Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. >>Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's >>indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber >>pots under each bed. >> >>== >> >>LOL ask me how I remember that )) Yes, I too would be absolutely amazed>>to >>see all that in those days ))> >We had an ice-a-box too. We had no dishwasher, my mom never had a >dishwasher... that's why she had kids. lol > >== > >Aye, ice box. It all went into the pantry and nothing like that was >stored. >It was all used up fast. > >Dishwasher?? That was me! The dishwasher is still me. We have a nice Maytag but it's very rarely used. I much prefer to wash the few dishes by hand and I wash everything I use as I cook. I never leave any unwashed things in the sink... a lot of folks do that but then their sink reminds me of an unflushed toilet. == I never wanted one, but last year I had a bad fall and damaged my back so I was immobile. Guess who bought a dishwasher LOL I am using it a lot now though |
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On 2018-11-29 11:17 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote: >> >> cshenk wrote: >>> Probably your main problem was you were looking for 'dog houses' or >>> 'doghouses'. It's under shelter and you can be cited for it (though >>> it's rare unless there are other issues like dog left outside all the >>> time). >>> >> >> If you can't beat them with brains baffle them with bullshit. That is >> the definition for "Adequate Shelter", and deals with agricultural >> animals.... livestock and poultry. The definition of "Animal" applies >> to 3.2-6570, which is about cruelty to to animals. It does not say that >> you have to have a dog house if your dog is an inside pet. > > If the "dog house police" ever show up and ask where is the dog > house, just point to your own house and say, that's the dog > house. Lives and sleeps inside there. It might be an issue if a dog is tied up without shade or shelter of any type, the the code cited by Carol applies to agricultural animals. Obviously I dog that lives indoors does not have to have its own outdoor dog house. Never the less, someone who reads that cited code might be gullible enough to believe it. At least one person thought it was real pertinent enough to post the link. |
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On 11/29/2018 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > wrote in message ... > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:38:51 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >> wrote in message ... >> >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:46:57 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "S Viemeister"* wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>> On 11/29/2018 10:57 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> "S Viemeister"* wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> On 11/29/2018 2:10 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>> I grew up in an old cottage with a big fireplace like this one: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=L0x6sxgRbO0 >>>>> >>>>> Our bread was* baked in that oven * When my parents were working, I>>>>> used >>>>> to come home from school to light that fire >>>>> >>>> I remember my Granny cooking on one just like that! >>>> When my Great-grandfather rebuilt the old house for his second wife, >>>> that's what he installed in the kitchen. >>>> My Grandfather later replaced it with a Rayburn, which was removed when >>>> my uncle inherited. He installed electric heaters, and converted the >>>> old >>>> scullery to a modern galley kitchen. >>>> >>>> === >>>> >>>> Cor, posh ))* Sounds like it brought back a memory or two>>>> >>> Very posh - a dishwasher, a washer-dryer, a fridge, and a freezer, too. >>> Great-granny would be amazed if she could see her old home - there's >>> indoor plumbing now, too...the first time I visited, there were chamber >>> pots under each bed. >>> >>> == >>> >>> LOL ask me how I remember that ))* Yes, I too would be absolutely >>> amazed >>> to >>> see all that in those days ))>> >> We had an ice-a-box too.* We had no dishwasher, my mom never had a >> dishwasher... that's why she had kids. lol >> >> == >> >> Aye, ice box.* It all went into the pantry and nothing like that was >> stored. >> It was all used up fast. >> >> Dishwasher??* That was me! > > The dishwasher is still me.* We have a nice Maytag but it's very > rarely used.* I much prefer to wash the few dishes by hand and I wash > everything I use as I cook. I never leave any unwashed things in the > sink... a lot of folks do that but then their sink reminds me of an > unflushed toilet. > > == > > I never wanted one, but last year I had a bad fall and damaged my back > so I was immobile.* Guess who bought a dishwasher LOL > > I am using it a lot now though > > I know a few people that have them and rarely use it. I don't get it. For two of us, it runs every other day. Everything comes out sparkling clean and it only takes 3 to 5 minutes to put it all away. Everything is sanitized too, a benefit during cold season. |
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On 2018-11-29 2:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/29/2018 1:29 PM, Ophelia wrote: so I was immobile.* Guess who bought a dishwasher LOL >> >> I am using it a lot now though >> >> > I know a few people that have them and rarely use it.* I don't get it. > For two of us, it runs every other day.* Everything comes out sparkling > clean and it only takes 3 to 5 minutes to put it all away. > > Everything is sanitized too, a benefit during cold season. We have one but I very rarely use it. I find it easier to do the dishes by hand after each meal. I rinse them, wash them and put them in the rack to dry and it is a lot easier than loading and unloading the machine. |
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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:15:19 -0700, U.S. Janet B. > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >>> ///// I didn't write that.///// >>>>>>>>> The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>>>>>>>> but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>>>>>>>> hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>>>>>>>> collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>>>>>>>> fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>>>>>>>> we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>>>>>>>> the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>>>>>>>> cooptime will tell. LOL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>>>>>>> one chain saw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>>>>>> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>>>>>> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>>>>>> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at least >>>>>>> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and spent >>>>>>> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and hauling it >>>>>>> home. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>>>>>> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>>>>> issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>>>>> damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>>>> >>>>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>>>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>>>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>>>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>>>> issues. >>>>> Janet US >>>> >>>> When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood these days. >> >> collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack >> your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch >> the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. >> Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. >> Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and >> went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would >> then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. >> Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. >> That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split >> by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to >> have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a >> burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. >> Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or >> vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. >> Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed >> that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from >> someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the >> chimney. >> Janet US > > With fireplaces and wood stoves most of the BTUs contained in wood > goes right up the chimney.... they even suck the heated air from the > rest of the house, only the area near the fireplase and woodstove get > warm, usually too warm, and dry. > > With ventless gas heaters no heat goes up a chimney and no chimney > cleaning... there is no chimney... they are 99% efficient and need no > electricity. Some are utilitarian in appearance, some have an > elaborate appearance. With my ventless gas heater I save substantial > $$$ and requires no labor whatsoever: > https://postimg.cc/62mvp4Ln > Check them out: > http://worldmkting.com/gas-appliances/ga-all/ > > In the past I've heated with oil, kerosene, coal, and wood... all > stink, literally too. Now I heat with propane... if I ever heat with > wood again put me in the loony bin, only low IQ nutcases heat with > wood. I can understand that some like a wood fire to look at the fire > but not for home heating. Some of my neighbors have an outside > firepit that they like to sit around on a chilly evening for eating > dinner, but it's more an outside campfire... however they cook dinner > on the Weber. > > Popeye, is yoose related to Hank Hill? He sells lots of propane. |
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> On 11/29/2018 10:49 AM, wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:15:19 -0700, U.S. Janet B. > >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:16:42 -0500, wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:25:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2018-11-26 5:05 PM, wrote: >>>> ///// I didn't write that.///// >>>>>>>>>> The old owners had a small stockpile of wood left behind for us, >>>>>>>>>> but we definitely need a lot more to get through the winter. It >>>>>>>>>> hasnt really snowed much yet here, so we did go around and >>>>>>>>>> collect a bit of the smaller stuff on Sunday. There are a few >>>>>>>>>> fallen trees (mostly oak and maple) in the woods to gather, but >>>>>>>>>> we need to acquire a chainsaw for those. Theres an old shed up >>>>>>>>>> the driveway a ways, and itll be a great wood shed. Or chicken >>>>>>>>>> cooptime will tell. LOL >>>>>>>>> I've never met anyone who heats with wood who doesn't own at least >>>>>>>>> one chain saw. >>>>>>>> Our neighbours when we first moved here heated with wood. He had a >>>>>>>> job at General Motors and worked steady midnights. His wife was a >>>>>>>> loans officer at a bank. I don't know how many chainsaws he went >>>>>>>> through in the time he lived next door, but he went through at >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> two tractors and a four pick up trucks. We worked all night and >>>>>>>> spent >>>>>>>> his days in a wood lot cutting firewood, splitting it and >>>>>>>> hauling it >>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all the talk about climate change and carbon emissions, I am >>>>>>>> surprised that governments have not banned wood burning heat. >>>>>>> Why would they ban wood heating? Remember climate change has many >>>>>>> issues but a small contained fire isnt one of them. A car does more >>>>>>> damage in a week than a fireplace does in a year. >>>>>> Wood burning stoves and fireplaces are regularly banned from burning >>>>>> during some days in the winter around here. Too much wood smoke >>>>>> causes air pollution (which is strictly monitored here) and becomes a >>>>>> health hazard for the very young, the elderly and those with health >>>>>> issues. >>>>>> Janet US >>>>> When we were living in Washington State back around 1987, wood >>>>> fires were used a lot at times. The smoke and smell would make my >>>>> wife somewhat nauseous. She was a young healthy gal with no >>>>> respiratory problems so I suppose that air was a health hazard for >>>>> many folks. My guess is that wood fires are banned in Lynnwood >>>>> these days. >>> collecting firewood used to be a big thing here in the summer. Pack >>> your tent, Coleman stove and cooler, chainsaw and some food. Hitch >>> the trailer to the 4x4 and head up into the mountains for the weekend. >>> Everyone had a good spot for dead trees and that's where you went. >>> Sawed it all into logs about fireplace length and then packed up and >>> went home after a wonderful weekend out in nature. The husband would >>> then spend and hour or two in the evening or weekends splitting wood. >>> Everyone chipped in to stack the wood pile. >>> That doesn't happen much anymore. People buy their wood already split >>> by the cord. And even they don't get to use it much. You want to >>> have a fire in the fireplace on Christmas but there is generally a >>> burning ban then. Gas fireplaces are the way to go now. >>> Frankly, I don't miss the mess of cleaning out the ash chute or >>> vacuuming up the crumbles that fall off the logs. >>> Fireplaces/stoves are just a homage to our cave ancestors that needed >>> that fire. Fireplaces in the home just suck cold air in from >>> someplace else in the house to nurture what the fire sends up the >>> chimney. >>> Janet US >> With fireplaces and wood stoves most of the BTUs contained in wood >> goes right up the chimney.... they even suck the heated air from the >> rest of the house, only the area near the fireplase and woodstove get >> warm, usually too warm, and dry. >> >> With ventless gas heaters no heat goes up a chimney and no chimney >> cleaning... there is no chimney... they are 99% efficient and need no >> electricity. Some are utilitarian in appearance, some have an >> elaborate appearance. With my ventless gas heater I save substantial >> $$$ and requires no labor whatsoever: >> https://postimg.cc/62mvp4Ln >> Check them out: >> http://worldmkting.com/gas-appliances/ga-all/ >> >> In the past I've heated with oil, kerosene, coal, and wood... all >> stink, literally too. Now I heat with propane... if I ever heat with >> wood again put me in the loony bin, only low IQ nutcases heat with >> wood. I can understand that some like a wood fire to look at the fire >> but not for home heating. Some of my neighbors have an outside >> firepit that they like to sit around on a chilly evening for eating >> dinner, but it's more an outside campfire... however they cook dinner >> on the Weber. >> >> > Doesn't the bullshit splatter on you while beating that "wood heat > sucks" drum ? I have a ventless LPG heater almost identical to the > picture you posted . It has all the drawbacks you claim for wood heat - > uneven heating and the only place it's warm is right in front of it . > Our wood stove resides in a corner of the living room with a fan mounted > in a hole in the bedroom/living room wall to circulate the heat . As I > said , I designed this house with wood heat in mind ... and the only > low-IQ nutcase I see here is you . You should just give up and admit > that you're WRONG about this , just as you are with so many things . > Unless you LIKE being made out to be a fool > Popeye enjoys making a fool of himself. It gets him some attention he craves. |
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On 11/29/2018 12:59 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:22:57 -0500, S Viemeister > > wrote: > >> On 11/29/2018 12:04 PM, wrote: >> >>> When I was very young my mom cooked on a coal stove... the house was >>> heated with a coal boiler in the basement that produced steam for the >>> cast iron radiators in each room. Burning coal was very dirty. We >>> had a shaker grate used to salvage the bits of unburned coal from the >>> ashes... I hated that job. Back then a ton of pea coal cost $3. >>> Eventually everyone converted to oil heat; 12¢/gallon. >>> >> When I was little, my mother cooked on a combination stove - four gas >> burners on the right, and the two on the left were heated by coal >> (later, we used wood). The oven could be heated by either the fire or >> gas. No pilot lights. There was a warming shelf above the cooktop. > > And no oven thermostat, only a temperature gauge in the door... had to > know how to bank the fire. > Yes. My mother was very good at that, having grown up with that sort of thing. |
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On 11/29/2018 1:27 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> wrote in message ... > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 12:22:57 -0500, S Viemeister >> On 11/29/2018 12:04 PM, wrote: >> When I was little, my mother cooked on a combination stove - four gas >> burners on the right, and the two on the left were heated by coal >> (later, we used wood). The oven could be heated by either the fire or >> gas. No pilot lights. There was a warming shelf above the cooktop. > > And no oven thermostat, only a temperature gauge in the door... had to > know how to bank the fire. > > == > > Never stopped us from getting great baking * I guess you just need to > know how to do it! > My mother was an excellent baker, as was her mother. |
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On 11/29/2018 12:50 PM, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
> Possibly the meat in those far off days was not bred to be so lean, and there > was more fat contained within the joints that were sold by the local butcher? > That's my belief. |
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