On 9/19/2018 3:54 PM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 9:10:10 AM UTC-10, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>>>
>>> You can! Amazon has them for under $20. Search for €œ3.5€� floppy drive€� and
>>> they should pop right up. Newegg.com is another good place to find things
>>> like this.
>>
>> That's the great thing about assembling computers. You have so many
>> choices available to you. You could spend a little or a lot. I used to
>> spend very little. It would be choices between an $18 DVD burner or one
>> for $20, or a power supply for $29 or a $65 one. Computer components were
>> pretty much commodity items. The worst part was having to fork over $120
>> for a Windows OS. Hopefully, I won't ever have to assemble a computer
>> again. Heck, I'll just get something like this:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-CHROMEBO.../dp/B071N9QCZ3
>>
>
> Ive assembled many a computer in my day (both personally and
> professionally), but I dont think Ill ever build another again. I like
> the freedom and free desk space a laptop provides.
>

I have both but the laptop is by far used the most. I like the desktop
for photo editing on a large monitor and a few other things I do. The
laptop is easily moved around with me though and can tinker in the
recliner whil having conversation or watching TV. Right now I'm casting
to YouTube the TV, Scherazade with Leif Segerstam conducting. My
favorite version. Only one I know of with shouting in the last movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY4w4_W30aQ

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:41:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-19 12:14 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 2018-09-19 9:15 AM, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 9/19/2018 10:05 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> And at first Windows was a pretty good GUI shell script! Then it fell
> >>>>> victim to the "kitchen sink syndrome"!! And that was just between Win
> >>>>> 3.1 and Win NT! Then Win XP made it even bloatier but at least XP
> >>>>> was a
> >>>>> little more stable than all the rest since Win 3.1!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John Kuthe...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Most of us never saw the bloat with XP but is was far better than its
> >>>> predecessors.Â* When I left work we still had an XP machine used for
> >>>> monitoring a process.Â* As long as the hard rive holds out it will
> >>>> probably work for another decade or two.
> >>>
> >>> I've got an XP machine as one of the 6 computers in my office.Â* I
> >>> build some of our software on it daily.Â* I've got another one that's
> >>> powered down.Â* It was upgraded to XP from Windows 2000.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>
> >> Anyone want an old 286 with Win 3.0 on it??Â* Ive got one taking up space
> >> in my garage.
> >>
> > I have a 486 with a 5.25" floppy drive stored in the basement. It proved
> > to be useful when a client asked me for some data from a project that I
> > did back in the late 80s. I had to save the data to a 3.5" disc to burn
> > a CD on a newer model and then download it to my W10 desktop.
>
> I am surprised that the files were still intact. Magnetic media is
> fragile after a few years. It is a bit ironic that we are the age of
> information, but that our reliance on magnetic memory and other fragile
> media, and computer printed documents, that most of our stored data will
> disappear faster than the information from any previous age. The 21st
> century may be more of a mystery than Stonehenge.

When I lived in my first Shared Student Living house in the CWE on Westminster someone had left in the basement two posterboard sheets with B/W photos of the house's renovation into it's present form. No dates, no other information.

I have a lot of pics in digital form of my renovation of this house and I'd love to construct a durable time capsule with all that recorded for after I die.

John Kuthe...

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
> >> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
> >> of those two words.
> >
> > You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
> > IT industry.
>
> No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
> off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
> that way.
>
> -sw

Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
it there.

On 9/19/2018 8:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
>>>> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
>>>> of those two words.
>>>
>>> You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
>>> IT industry.
>>
>> No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
>> off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
>> that way.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
> it there.
>
Thought it was a software program.

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:13:16 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cheri wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>> Make sure they're plugged into black USB ports rather than blue
> >> USB >>> ports. They'll both work for keyboard and mouse but you'll
> >>>>> eventually probably need to swap them later.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you very much, will do. that is very useful information
> and I >>>> appreciate it.
> >>>
> >>> Do you have colored USB ports perchance? I don't. Well, actually
> >>> one of the computers here has a pretty silverish exterior to the
> >>> front set. MOst of my gear is pretty old though.
> >>
> >> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports are
> >> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
> drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
> blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
> >>
> >> Picture of both:
> > >
> >
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > Sorry, can't open that.
>
> Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
>
> > I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
> > brand that color codes them.
>
> It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
> something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
>
> And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
> blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
>
> -sw

Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
standard WIN10 machine.

Either way, here from the web: When it comes to USB ports, what
defines the features are called specifications (1.1, 2.0, etc.). USB
connectors, whether it is the receptacle on your computer or the plug
on the end of a cable, are often colored coded so you can tell what
specification it is. But the color of the receptacle is not part of the
actual USB specifications and may vary from vendor to vendor. The
following is list of USB specifications and the color usually
associated with it.

Druce wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:09:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 11:03:41 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > My email and contacts are available on any machine I happen to be
> >> > using, including my phone. It's quite a beautiful thing. To write
> >> > emails, I'll use my PC or Chromebooks.
> >>
> >> No, it's a sign that you are TRAPPED IN CULTURE!! I am NOT! YOU are
> >> firmly trapped in YOUR Culture, I am NOT! I can travel and drift
> into >> and out of different Cultures at my WILL!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > John, are ypu ok? Serious question as I am a human being getting
> > worried about you. You were all happy getting te house ready and
> > now you are all about cussing and frightened CAPS.
>
> I agree. It seems he was doing better mentally in the days he was
> bickering with Bryan here.

Seems so and now something seems wrong. I hope he is ok.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:44:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/19/2018 8:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
>>>>> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
>>>>> of those two words.
>>>>
>>>> You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
>>>> IT industry.
>>>
>>> No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
>>> off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
>>> that way.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
>> it there.
>>
>Thought it was a software program.

Yes, but not "a software". Software is an uncountable noun. Just like
you'd say "put air into a balloon, not "put an air into a balloon".

The same with computer code. You don't write a code, you write code.

cshenk wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:13:16 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Cheri wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>>>> Make sure they're plugged into black USB ports rather than blue
> > >> USB >>> ports. They'll both work for keyboard and mouse but you'll
> > >>>>> eventually probably need to swap them later.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you very much, will do. that is very useful information
> > and I >>>> appreciate it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you have colored USB ports perchance? I don't. Well, actually
> > >>> one of the computers here has a pretty silverish exterior to the
> > >>> front set. MOst of my gear is pretty old though.
> > >>
> > >> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports are
> > >> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
> > drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
> > blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
> > >>
> > >> Picture of both:
> > > >
> > >
> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
> > >>
> > >> -sw
> > >
> > > Sorry, can't open that.
> >
> > Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
> >
> > > I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
> > > brand that color codes them.
> >
> > It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
> > something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
> >
> > And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
> > blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
> >
> > -sw
>
> Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
> standard WIN10 machine.


Uh, opened on mine just dandy...

--
Best
Greg

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:44:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/19/2018 8:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
> >>>> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
> >>>> of those two words.
> >>>
> >>> You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
> >>> IT industry.
> >>
> >> No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
> >> off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
> >> that way.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
> > it there.
> >
> Thought it was a software program.

"Thunderbird" IS a software program, or an .exe file as DOS/Windows knows them.

I've written many a program or application and script files too!

John Kuthe...

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:44:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 9/19/2018 8:37 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
> >>>>> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
> >>>>> of those two words.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
> >>>> IT industry.
> >>>
> >>> No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
> >>> off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
> >>> that way.
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
> >> it there.
> >>
> >Thought it was a software program.
>
> Yes, but not "a software". Software is an uncountable noun. Just like
> you'd say "put air into a balloon, not "put an air into a balloon".
>
> The same with computer code. You don't write a code, you write code.

Or most simply, one "codes".

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:44:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Thought it was a software program.

That actually does KINDA make sense, but still redundant. Makes
more sense than "Thunderbird is a software", at least.

> "Thunderbird" IS a software program, or an .exe file as DOS/Windows knows them.

What *is* the difference between and EXE and a COM executable, John?

-sw

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:47:06 -0500, cshenk wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:13:16 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>>>> Make sure they're plugged into black USB ports rather than blue
>>>> USB >>> ports. They'll both work for keyboard and mouse but you'll
>>>>>>> eventually probably need to swap them later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much, will do. that is very useful information
>> and I >>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have colored USB ports perchance? I don't. Well, actually
>>>>> one of the computers here has a pretty silverish exterior to the
>>>>> front set. MOst of my gear is pretty old though.
>>>>
>>>> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports are
>>>> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
>> drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
>> blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
>>>>
>>>> Picture of both:
>>> >
>>>
> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
>>>
>>> Sorry, can't open that.
>>
>> Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
>>
>>> I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
>>> brand that color codes them.
>>
>> It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
>> something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
>>
>> And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
>> blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
>
> Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
> standard WIN10 machine.

It opens fine on my Windows 10 laptop, also my Windows 7 desktop
with Chrome and Thunderbird. Are you pressing the right button?
Err... I mean .. the physically left button?

> Either way, here from the web: When it comes to USB ports, what
> defines the features are called specifications (1.1, 2.0, etc.). USB
> connectors, whether it is the receptacle on your computer or the plug
> on the end of a cable, are often colored coded so you can tell what
> specification it is. But the color of the receptacle is not part of the
> actual USB specifications and may vary from vendor to vendor. The
> following is list of USB specifications and the color usually
> associated with it.

I have seen thousands of USB ports and they are all the same color
standards. Do you have an example of one that doesn't follow the
standard, or are you just trying to be argumentative in this
previously non-argumentative argument?

-sw

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 06:11:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 11:18:34 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:03:59 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:54:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Because I can get into my Office 365 but I just can't get the e-mail program
>>>> to behave. It WILL let into my e-mail accounts but only if I sign into each
>>>> one, one at a time.
>>>
>>> Because it's ONLY ON ONE COMPUTER, and every time you reconfigure
>>> your email program ON THAT ONE COMPUTER to connect with another
>>> email system on another computer ALL YOU SEE is what's on EACH
>>> EMAIL SYSTEM you configure your ONE EMAIL CLIENT PROGRAM ON ONE
>>> COMPUTER FOR!
>>
>> All email clients for the last 15 years can handle multiple email
>> accounts on multiple email servers.
>>
>>> Are you daft? Obtuse? Patently STUPID?
>>
>> You need to shut the **** up, John. At least until you start to
>> meltdown, then you can start posting again.
>
> "All" email clients? ROFL!!!!
> No ONE can possibly KNOW what ALL email client programs do!

Yes, John, I'm a computer engineer. Tell me one that doesn't
support multiple email accounts (and that has more than 1% market
share of email clients). What are YOU using? Nothing, I bet. You
use a web interface because you're too ****ing addlebrained to set
up a local news or email client.

> Dipshit!

It's pretty clear who's the dipshit here, Johnny Boy.

-sw

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:40:03 -0000 (UTC), Jinx the Minx wrote:

> When I was packing up old computer stuff a few weeks ago for our move, I
> ran across a storage case filled with old 3.5¡ discs. I asked my 10 year
> old if she knew what they were, and her response was, ´is it an old Atari
> cartridge?¡ LOL

About 10 years ago a donated a 8" floppy disk drive where you
switched tracks VIA a knob. It had an LED readout of the sectors it
was on along with lights for reading or writing. It was 10"x10"x24"
long. I was told by the people at the organization I donated it to,
that the track knob was used by early version of CP/M and
corresponded to the user areas (similar to partitions of hard
disks). Which totally made sense as there was 16 positions on the
knob, but an 8" disk had more than 16 tracks (64 or 96 IIRC).

I had inherited the drive with a house I had rented for a couple
years and had never actually used it.

-sw

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> years) I have been through a few different ones since then

I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:14:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > >> <shiver> You did it again. "Thunderbird is A program" or
> > >> "Thunderbird is software" (not "A" software) are the correct usages
> > >> of those two words.
> > >
> > > You have issues. Both are correct usage in American english in the
> > > IT industry.
> >
> > No, they're not. Unless you're a non-English speaker who just got
> > off the boat. Those are the only people I've heard use the words
> > that way.
> >
> > -sw
>
> Then we shall simply have to accept you have some odd quirks and leave
> it there.

I've very occasionally heard "a software", but "software" is much, much
more common. Nobody talks about "a hardware" in that way, so "software"
is used as a parallel.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message

> I bought a Win10 machine and hated it. D took it and is not having any
> problems at all with it. I have gone back to my old one and I am happy
> enough with it


I really would like to keep Vista but it's really not supported at all. I
like Win7 OK, but dh was using it before he bought a Chromebook, so I never
really learned it very well. Actually from what I've seen, I am going to do
OK with Win10.

Cheri

==

Good luck with it I hope it goes really well. I can see you are well on
the way with it

I reckon you have a lot more patience than I have these days)

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 9:31:54 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:13:16 -0500, cshenk wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cheri wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>>> Make sure they're plugged into black USB ports rather than blue
> > > >> USB >>> ports. They'll both work for keyboard and mouse but you'll
> > > >>>>> eventually probably need to swap them later.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thank you very much, will do. that is very useful information
> > > and I >>>> appreciate it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Do you have colored USB ports perchance? I don't. Well, actually
> > > >>> one of the computers here has a pretty silverish exterior to the
> > > >>> front set. MOst of my gear is pretty old though.
> > > >>
> > > >> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports are
> > > >> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
> > > drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
> > > blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
> > > >>
> > > >> Picture of both:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
> > > >>
> > > >> -sw
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, can't open that.
> > >
> > > Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
> > >
> > > > I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
> > > > brand that color codes them.
> > >
> > > It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
> > > something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
> > >
> > > And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
> > > blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
> > >
> > > -sw
> >
> > Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
> > standard WIN10 machine.
>
>
> Uh, opened on mine just dandy...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

Do you use Chrome? .webp is a Google image format.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:34:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
>> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
>
>I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
>nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.

Commodore 16 all the way! (I couldn't afford a Commodore 64.)

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 9:31:54 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> > Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports are
>> > > >> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
>> > > drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
>> > > blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Picture of both:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -sw
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, can't open that.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
>> > >
>> > > > I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
>> > > > brand that color codes them.
>> > >
>> > > It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
>> > > something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
>> > >
>> > > And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
>> > > blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> >
>> > Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
>> > standard WIN10 machine.
>>
>>
>> Uh, opened on mine just dandy...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg
>
>Do you use Chrome? .webp is a Google image format.

Ah, my W10/Firefox asked questions before opening it and I cancelled.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:49:12 AM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:34:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> >> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
> >
> >I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
> >nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>
> Commodore 16 all the way! (I couldn't afford a Commodore 64.)

I simply missed all of those early PCs. I used an Amdahl 470 in the
mid 1970s, then I dropped out of college and didn't use any sort
of computer until the mid 1980s. The first PC I used at my office
job had two 5.25" floppy drives, one of which had the OS on it, if
memory serves.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:52:01 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:44:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >> Thought it was a software program.
>
> That actually does KINDA make sense, but still redundant. Makes
> more sense than "Thunderbird is a software", at least.
>
> > "Thunderbird" IS a software program, or an .exe file as DOS/Windows knows them.
>
> What *is* the difference between and EXE and a COM executable, John?
>
> -sw

EXE files are compiled from ASCII text and turned into microprocessor runable files which are loaded onto RAM and run/executed vs. COM files which ARE ASCII text and are run by INTERPRETING them ASCII Text line by line as executed as if entered at the command prompt.

A fine distinction but very important!

John Kuthe...

On 9/20/2018 6:49 AM, Druce wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:34:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
>>> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
>>
>> I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
>> nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>
> Commodore 16 all the way! (I couldn't afford a Commodore 64.)
>
We bought a Texas Instrument TI99/4A. Figured in a few years an upstart
like Commodore could be gone but TI will still be making upgrades for it.

On 9/17/18 7:06 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:04:02 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:

> Thunderbird does not know an "Email ID" from a "Username"!! Calls them the SAME THING!! Well, MINE ARE NOT THE SAME!!
>
> Therefor Thunderbird is a DUMB SHIT!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Yes very very Stupid user

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
....
> I simply missed all of those early PCs. I used an Amdahl 470 in the
> mid 1970s, then I dropped out of college and didn't use any sort
> of computer until the mid 1980s. The first PC I used at my office
> job had two 5.25" floppy drives, one of which had the OS on it, if
> memory serves.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The first computer I bought was a Timex Sinclair:

http://oldcomputers.net/ts1000.html

And yes I bought th 16K RAM expanded memory unit too!

I like THIS pic best though:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe= 5C2CB000

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:37:50 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
> On 9/17/18 7:06 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:04:02 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ophelia wrote:
>
> > Thunderbird does not know an "Email ID" from a "Username"!! Calls them the SAME THING!! Well, MINE ARE NOT THE SAME!!
> >
> > Therefor Thunderbird is a DUMB SHIT!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
>
> Yes very very Stupid user

What, do YOU think a Username and an Email Address are the same things?

Pretty much a DUMBSHIT, YOU are!

John Kuthe...

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> > years) I have been through a few different ones since then
>
> I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
> nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.

My very first computer was the Commodore Vic20. A couple of years
later I bought the C-64. I loved those basic years when all
wasn't complicated. I learned to program then too. At first home
schooling with the help of "COMPUTE!" magazine. I still have
both of those here in the original boxes too.

Then I started back to college taking computer classes. Learned
Cobol then just because many large companies still used it and
needed to convert soon. Back then, no pc's in the computer
classes or labs. We used an IBM mainframe. Without looking it up,
I seem to remember an IBM 4341.

Anyway, once I bought a modem for the Commodore, I was able to
work on the school mainframe as a terminal. Saved me driving out
there and maybe waiting for a free terminal.

They did have a punch card machine there but not used...just for
educational historic use. I learned how to use one but never
actually had to use it.

Druce wrote:
>
> Commodore 16 all the way! (I couldn't afford a Commodore 64.)

Really. Never heard of that one.
I started with a Vic20
Got a C-64 a few years later

Then several years later, 1995 I think.... got my first IBM PC
with Windows3.1
I really liked their keyboards back then, they had a tiny bit of
resistance and actually clicked when you pushed a key. Coming
from using a typewriter, I liked that. Now all keyboards are
silent and mushy but I'm used to them now too.

Druce wrote:
>
> >> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
> >> > > >>
> Ah, my W10/Firefox asked questions before opening it and I cancelled.

My windows7 laptop didn't recognize so asked questions so I also
cancelled that. I'm guess it might just be a matter of upgrading
Firefox version. Mine is a few years old.

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> ===
>
> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> years) I have been through a few different ones since then

I really liked MS-DOS. It took me a while to bite the Windows bullet. I suppose it made personal computers more accessible but it also brought about a world of trouble to the world. I think we're finally headed to a brighter, non-Windows, future. The last 20 years have been kind of a nightmare of ever escalating hardware requirements, software upgrade hell, and security issues.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > > The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> > > years) I have been through a few different ones since then
> >
> > I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
> > nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>
> My very first computer was the Commodore Vic20. A couple of years
> later I bought the C-64. I loved those basic years when all
> wasn't complicated. I learned to program then too. At first home
> schooling with the help of "COMPUTE!" magazine. I still have
> both of those here in the original boxes too.
>
> Then I started back to college taking computer classes. Learned
> Cobol then just because many large companies still used it and
> needed to convert soon. Back then, no pc's in the computer
> classes or labs. We used an IBM mainframe. Without looking it up,
> I seem to remember an IBM 4341.
>
> Anyway, once I bought a modem for the Commodore, I was able to
> work on the school mainframe as a terminal. Saved me driving out
> there and maybe waiting for a free terminal.
>
> They did have a punch card machine there but not used...just for
> educational historic use. I learned how to use one but never
> actually had to use it.

FIRST computer I used was over a teletype machine with a phone modem interface in 6th or 7th grade in the early 1970's. We'd dial the phone, wait to hear the "carrier signal" then put the phone's handset in the modem cradle and the teletype machine (NO CRT!) would connect to the computer, and we could program in BASIC. Had a punch tape paper roll interface too, to store or read back in programs! I liked a very simple program I wrote I called PaperWaster:

10 Print "CR/LF"
20 GoTo 10

Run this and the teletype's paper feed would empty the paper roll if left unattended!! :-)

I was a BORN hacker, I guess! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>
> Really. Never heard of that one.
> I started with a Vic20
> Got a C-64 a few years later
>
> Then several years later, 1995 I think.... got my first IBM PC
> with Windows3.1
> I really liked their keyboards back then, they had a tiny bit of
> resistance and actually clicked when you pushed a key. Coming
> from using a typewriter, I liked that. Now all keyboards are
> silent and mushy but I'm used to them now too.

I took a programming course way back when. In the lab we had a choice of machines we could use. Macintosh, PC, Vic-20, or C-64s. I always went to a C-64, or Vic-20. You could start programming as soon as it turned on. I could finish an assignment while the other students were still loading in their OS and a programming environment. That class was a breeze. Thanks Commodore!

John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
>>>> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
>>>
>>> I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
>>> nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>>
>> My very first computer was the Commodore Vic20. A couple of years
>> later I bought the C-64. I loved those basic years when all
>> wasn't complicated. I learned to program then too. At first home
>> schooling with the help of "COMPUTE!" magazine. I still have
>> both of those here in the original boxes too.
>>
>> Then I started back to college taking computer classes. Learned
>> Cobol then just because many large companies still used it and
>> needed to convert soon. Back then, no pc's in the computer
>> classes or labs. We used an IBM mainframe. Without looking it up,
>> I seem to remember an IBM 4341.
>>
>> Anyway, once I bought a modem for the Commodore, I was able to
>> work on the school mainframe as a terminal. Saved me driving out
>> there and maybe waiting for a free terminal.
>>
>> They did have a punch card machine there but not used...just for
>> educational historic use. I learned how to use one but never
>> actually had to use it.
>
> FIRST computer I used was over a teletype machine with a phone modem
> interface in 6th or 7th grade in the early 1970's. We'd dial the phone,
> wait to hear the "carrier signal" then put the phone's handset in the
> modem cradle and the teletype machine (NO CRT!) would connect to the
> computer, and we could program in BASIC. Had a punch tape paper roll
> interface too, to store or read back in programs! I liked a very simple
> program I wrote I called PaperWaster:
>
> 10 Print "CR/LF"
> 20 GoTo 10
>
> Run this and the teletype's paper feed would empty the paper roll if left unattended!! :-)
>
> I was a BORN hacker, I guess! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>

Its a shame your knowledge ended at the 6th grade level.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> years) I have been through a few different ones since then

I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.

Cindy Hamilton

===

I never had a Commodore. I went onto Windows after that but I can't
remember what it was. Was there a 3.1?? If not it was something like that.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:49:12 AM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:34:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a
> >> few
> >> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
> >
> >I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
> >nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>
> Commodore 16 all the way! (I couldn't afford a Commodore 64.)

I simply missed all of those early PCs. I used an Amdahl 470 in the
mid 1970s, then I dropped out of college and didn't use any sort
of computer until the mid 1980s. The first PC I used at my office
job had two 5.25" floppy drives, one of which had the OS on it, if
memory serves.

Cindy Hamilton

===

I had hard disc drives too! I wish I could remember properly. Too long ago
and guess I am getting too old

Jinx the Minx wrote:
> John Kuthe > wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
>>>>> years) I have been through a few different ones since then
>>>>
>>>> I had a long hiatus between punch cards and DOS. Missed all of those
>>>> nifty little toys like the Commodore 64.
>>>
>>> My very first computer was the Commodore Vic20. A couple of years
>>> later I bought the C-64. I loved those basic years when all
>>> wasn't complicated. I learned to program then too. At first home
>>> schooling with the help of "COMPUTE!" magazine. I still have
>>> both of those here in the original boxes too.
>>>
>>> Then I started back to college taking computer classes. Learned
>>> Cobol then just because many large companies still used it and
>>> needed to convert soon. Back then, no pc's in the computer
>>> classes or labs. We used an IBM mainframe. Without looking it up,
>>> I seem to remember an IBM 4341.
>>>
>>> Anyway, once I bought a modem for the Commodore, I was able to
>>> work on the school mainframe as a terminal. Saved me driving out
>>> there and maybe waiting for a free terminal.
>>>
>>> They did have a punch card machine there but not used...just for
>>> educational historic use. I learned how to use one but never
>>> actually had to use it.
>>
>> FIRST computer I used was over a teletype machine with a phone modem
>> interface in 6th or 7th grade in the early 1970's. We'd dial the phone,
>> wait to hear the "carrier signal" then put the phone's handset in the
>> modem cradle and the teletype machine (NO CRT!) would connect to the
>> computer, and we could program in BASIC. Had a punch tape paper roll
>> interface too, to store or read back in programs! I liked a very simple
>> program I wrote I called PaperWaster:
>>
>> 10 Print "CR/LF"
>> 20 GoTo 10
>>
>> Run this and the teletype's paper feed would empty the paper roll if left unattended!! :-)
>>
>> I was a BORN hacker, I guess! ;-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
>
> Its a shame your knowledge ended at the 6th grade level.
>

Wasn't he in the same 6th grade classroom with Jethro Clampett?

"Druce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 03:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 9:31:54 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> > Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:21:34 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sqwertz wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Blue USB ports are USB 3.0 for high speed devices. Black ports
>> > > >> are
>> > > >> USB 2.0 (for keyboard, mice, printers, and cheap/slow thumb
>> > > drives). >> It's possible that there are now computers with only
>> > > blue USB ports, >> in which case it doesn't matter.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Picture of both:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -sw
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, can't open that.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe John can help you out with that problem.
>> > >
>> > > > I am unsure if you have newer tech gear than I do, or a specific
>> > > > brand that color codes them.
>> > >
>> > > It's part of the standard defining USB 3.0 ports, it's not just
>> > > something I made up that only pertains to my computer.
>> > >
>> > > And USB 3.1 ports are kind of an aqua blue color, but still kinda
>> > > blue (or is that more green? my eyes hurt).
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> >
>> > Don't devolve to being an asshole Steve. You link doesn't open on a
>> > standard WIN10 machine.
>>
>>
>> Uh, opened on mine just dandy...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg
>
>Do you use Chrome? .webp is a Google image format.

Ah, my W10/Firefox asked questions before opening it and I cancelled.

==

I am on Win7 and it just opened.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> ===
>
> The first computers I had were DOS! My goodness, that takes me back a few
> years) I have been through a few different ones since then

I really liked MS-DOS. It took me a while to bite the Windows bullet. I
suppose it made personal computers more accessible but it also brought about
a world of trouble to the world. I think we're finally headed to a brighter,
non-Windows, future. The last 20 years have been kind of a nightmare of ever
escalating hardware requirements, software upgrade hell, and security
issues.

==

Oh dear. That doesn't sound too good. I don't fancy learning something
completely new again!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:52:01 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:44:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thought it was a software program.
>>
>> That actually does KINDA make sense, but still redundant. Makes
>> more sense than "Thunderbird is a software", at least.
>>
>> > "Thunderbird" IS a software program, or an .exe file as DOS/Windows knows them.
>>
>> What *is* the difference between and EXE and a COM executable, John?
>>
>> -sw
>
>EXE files are compiled from ASCII text and turned into microprocessor runable files which are loaded onto RAM and run/executed vs. COM files which ARE ASCII text and are run by INTERPRETING them ASCII Text line by line as executed as if entered at the command prompt.
>
>A fine distinction but very important!

Nonsense. For one thing, you're confusing BAT files and COM files.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:41:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>>
>> >> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...8426e23a4.webp
>> >> > > >>
>> Ah, my W10/Firefox asked questions before opening it and I cancelled.
>
>My windows7 laptop didn't recognize so asked questions so I also
>cancelled that. I'm guess it might just be a matter of upgrading
>Firefox version. Mine is a few years old.

Mine's up to date.