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On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 00:41:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> I wasn't cooking like that 50 years ago because we was poor folk.

> I said nothing about curry and you and your white buddies in wherever
>you were living 50 years ago.
>
> Yes you did.
>
> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>meat and don't like spicy food.
>
> When white people disputed that you replied
>
> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>out the window."


If you don't let him weasle his way out, he will lose face. Just
warning you.
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On 8/1/2018 9:35 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:23:02 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 9:14:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Looks like their is a surplus of pork again. Stop & Shop had boneless
>>>>> whole pork loins on sale for $1.49/lb. I've not seen that price for 30
>>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to check the prices on Baby Back Ribs next time I grocery shop.
>>>
>>> Pork baby back ribs are for sissies and Chili's customers. Real men
>>> and women eat pork spare ribs.

>>
>> **** you! More porcine intercostal muscle tissue on Baby Backs! More to LOVE!

>
> And you'd wrong there, too. For BB's to be meatier than spares they
> have to have loin meat attached to them - which is not "intercostal
> muscle tissue.
>
> -sw
>

I never did understand "baby back" ribs except as a Chili's Restaurant
commercial. I suppose he'd boil those ribs before he grilled them, too.

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On 8/2/2018 4:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
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>
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 8:41:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> Bone-in pork chops were, IIRC, $2.29 at Foodland in Kaneohe.
>>
>> I didn't really think you'd want a lean cut like loin; you're
>> not some wimpy haole, after all.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> That's odd but true. White folks like white, lean, meat like chicken
> breast and pork loin while colored folks like dark and fatty meat. I
> can't say why that is but I can appreciate the symmetry of it all.
>
> ==
>
> Not me.Â* I prefer chicken thighs to the breast.Â* It has more flavour.

Why let him keep perpetuating this myth?

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On 8/4/2018 5:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-08-04 4:52 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:39:09 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The town in which I live has a dozen Indian restaurants for about
>>> 100,000 people.Â* The grandaddy of them all opened up in the 1970s,
>>> although it has had a few changes of owner (and now a change of
>>> name).
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> What I said was that Indian curry never made it big in the US. If you
>> have a different opinion about this then please express it clearly. I
>> don't know what to make of the numbers that you're giving out but as
>> far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with my opinion.
>>

> It is interesting how your bar keeps moving up and down and sideways.
> You make sweeping generalizations and then when people contradict you
> the story changes. You claim that you said that Indian curry never made
> it big in the US and Cindy gave you the example of her city of 100,000
> that has a dozen Indian restaurants, including one that has been there
> for almost 50 years.Â* Her anecdote trumps who baseless generalization.


Yeah...he forgot he said white people don't like spicy food. LOL

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 4:31:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > I just looked at the Kaneohe, HI, Safeway weekly sale flyer. They
>> > don't have whole pork loins on sale this week, but boneless pork
>> > chops (which appear to be cut from the loin) are $3.99 per pound.
>> > That's their value-pack "club price", which I assume requires the
>> > use of an affinity card.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> Typically, I will buy pork chops if they're going for $3/lb. Mostly, I'll buy pork spare ribs or pork soft bones or some cheaper pork cuts for around $2.49/lb.

>
>Bone-in pork chops were, IIRC, $2.29 at Foodland in Kaneohe.
>
>I didn't really think you'd want a lean cut like loin; you're
>not some wimpy haole, after all.


Those Hawaiians think we're stupid. They think we don't know they
swapped the h and the a in haole.
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On 8/4/2018 3:43 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-08-03 10:52 PM, David Iwaoka wrote:
>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>> Tit!! You're 50 years out of date! I and my young white friends were
>>> into Madras and Vindaloo curries back in the 60s.

>>
>> You might have set some kind of trend back in the old days in wherever
>> county you were living.

>
> I suppose you were then still living with recipes that had a can of X
> added to a jar of Y stirred into two packets of Z to which was added
> some garlic powder.


Canned Spam?

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On 2018-08-04 7:50 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/4/2018 3:43 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-08-03 10:52 PM, David Iwaoka wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>>> Tit!! You're 50 years out of date! I and my young white friends were
>>>> into Madras and Vindaloo curries back in the 60s.
>>>
>>> You might have set some kind of trend back in the old days in
>>> wherever county you were living.

>>
>> I suppose you were then still living with recipes that had a can of X
>> added to a jar of Y stirred into two packets of Z to which was added
>> some garlic powder.

>
> Canned Spam?
>
> Jill

Only if it was Kosher:-)
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On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> Yes you did.
>
> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
> meat and don't like spicy food.
>
> When white people disputed that you replied
>
> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
> out the window."
>
> Janet UK


White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?

It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least. And as a matter of fact, a lot of white folks do prefer chicken breast. Not all of them of course. Just 99.94% of them. What's the big deal? It doesn't mean they're inferior because of that. That's just what I've noticed.

I'm certainly entitled to my prejudices. Yoose guys are entitled to yours. Spam, McDonald's, people that eat at McDonald's, immigrants, Chinese, Mexican, funny looking colored people, Google Groups, canned soups, Whole Foods. Yoose guys are constantly bitching and judging others. That's all fine with me. What is not fine is people giving their opinion on my opinions. Have the decency/imagination/pride to come up with opinions of your own. Just leave my opinions out of it. Thank you for your attention in this matter.


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"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 8/2/2018 4:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 8:41:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> Bone-in pork chops were, IIRC, $2.29 at Foodland in Kaneohe.
>>
>> I didn't really think you'd want a lean cut like loin; you're
>> not some wimpy haole, after all.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> That's odd but true. White folks like white, lean, meat like chicken
> breast and pork loin while colored folks like dark and fatty meat. I
> can't say why that is but I can appreciate the symmetry of it all.
>
> ==
>
> Not me. I prefer chicken thighs to the breast. It has more flavour.

Why let him keep perpetuating this myth?

Jill

==

'Let him' ? Hey I am not his boss! He will write what he likes as will I.

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On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 4:53:01 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 8:39:09 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > The town in which I live has a dozen Indian restaurants for about 100,000
> > people. The grandaddy of them all opened up in the 1970s, although it has
> > had a few changes of owner (and now a change of name).
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton

>
> What I said was that Indian curry never made it big in the US. If you have a different opinion about this then please express it clearly. I don't know what to make of the numbers that you're giving out but as far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with my opinion.


I don't know about the entire U.S. It would be presumptuous to state any
opinion on the market penetration of curry in the continential U.S.,
just as it is presumptuous of you to generalize about eating habits in
places about which you know nothing.

I provided evidence that Indian curry is quite popular in the area in
which I live, which is part of the continental U.S.

If you like, I could point out that Boar's Head makes a curry-flavored
chicken breast, available in grocery-store delis wherever the store
feels the market would enjoy it.

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On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 11:34:23 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > It is interesting how your bar keeps moving up and down and sideways.
> > You make sweeping generalizations and then when people contradict you
> > the story changes. You claim that you said that Indian curry never made
> > it big in the US and Cindy gave you the example of her city of 100,000
> > that has a dozen Indian restaurants, including one that has been there
> > for almost 50 years. Her anecdote trumps who baseless generalization.

>
> I'll stand by my statement. All of them in fact. If you have any information that I am wrong or spreading misinformation, just let me know and I'll make amends. This has been my policy from day one.
>
> Indian curry never made it big in the US. Japanese curry is popular in Ha-ha-waii though. Indian curry is not. My guess is that Indian/Japanese curry is still not that popular on the mainland. Random people googling Indian restaurants in their town don't amount to a hill of beans. These guys don't eat or like curry. I love the stuff. We went to a Curry house a couple of weeks ago. It was most wonderful!
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...u4kpDlaz6wfQoL


Ok, here you go:

<https://www.businessinsider.com/indian-cuisine-gains-traction-in-the-us-2015-9>

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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > Yes you did.
> >
> > First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
> > meat and don't like spicy food.
> >
> > When white people disputed that you replied
> >
> > "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
> > guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
> > They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
> > think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
> > out the window."
> >
> > Janet UK

>
> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
>
> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.


YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!

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On 8/5/2018 8:05 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>> Yes you did.
>>>
>>> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>>> meat and don't like spicy food.
>>>
>>> When white people disputed that you replied
>>>
>>> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>>> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>>> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>>> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>>> out the window."
>>>
>>> Janet UK

>>
>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
>>
>> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

>
> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Thank you, Cindy!

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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > Yes you did.
> > >
> > > First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
> > > meat and don't like spicy food.
> > >
> > > When white people disputed that you replied
> > >
> > > "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
> > > guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
> > > They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
> > > think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
> > > out the window."
> > >
> > > Janet UK

> >
> > White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
> >
> > It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

>
> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>
> Cindy Hamilton


I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass. It was uncalled-for.

It did make me wonder, though, how WWII would have played out if Hawaii had
not been under U.S. control in 1941. Would the Japanese have made their
move against Alaska, instead, or some other U.S. possession?

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On 2018-08-05 8:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>> Yes you did.
>>>>
>>>> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>>>> meat and don't like spicy food.
>>>>
>>>> When white people disputed that you replied
>>>>
>>>> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>>>> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>>>> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>>>> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>>>> out the window."
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
>>>
>>> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

>>
>> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass. It was uncalled-for.
>
> It did make me wonder, though, how WWII would have played out if Hawaii had
> not been under U.S. control in 1941. Would the Japanese have made their
> move against Alaska, instead, or some other U.S. possession?


The attack on Pearl Harbor in Dec7 1941 was just one part of a wide
range of coordinated military actions taken by Japan. They also swept
down into southeast Asia, Hong Hong and the Aleutian Islands.

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On 8/5/2018 9:53 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-08-05 8:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>>> Â*Â* Yes you did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â* First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer
>>>>> white
>>>>> meat and don't like spicy food.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â*Â*Â* WhenÂ* white people disputed that you replied
>>>>>
>>>>> Â* "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>>>>> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat
>>>>> levels.
>>>>> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>>>>> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>>>>> out the window."
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks
>>>> have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis.
>>>> They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH,
>>>> they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't
>>>> get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm
>>>> used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly
>>>> innocuous words?
>>>>
>>>> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in
>>>> foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc.
>>>> That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly
>>>> sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America,
>>>> at least.
>>>
>>> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass.Â* It was
>> uncalled-for.
>>
>> It did make me wonder, though, how WWII would have played out if
>> Hawaii had
>> not been under U.S. control in 1941.Â* Would the Japanese have made their
>> move against Alaska, instead, or some other U.S. possession?

>
> The attack on Pearl Harbor in Dec7 1941 was just one part of a wide
> range of coordinated military actions taken by Japan.Â* They also swept
> down into southeast Asia, Hong Hong and the Aleutian Islands.
>

I have to assume Hawaiians would not have such an affinity for SPAM were
it not for their being a part of the US before WWII. It doesn't explain
why they still eat a large quantity of SPAM. Likely more than the
people in Minnesota, where SPAM is made. Perhaps there are no real
cooking aspirations on that rock.

I'm guessing he's never tasted Cajun or Creole food. Couldn't call that
spicy or adventurous... oh wait. It is! It's also multi-cultural.

dsi1 seems to have very narrow assumptions about what people on the
mainland eat. It's kind of sad, really. It's a very large and diverse
country with many cultures and interests in different types of food.

He's stuck believing there is a black & white divide and never the twain
shall meet. I beg to differ.

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On 8/5/2018 10:51 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>>> Yes you did.
>>>>
>>>> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>>>> meat and don't like spicy food.
>>>>
>>>> When white people disputed that you replied
>>>>
>>>> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>>>> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>>>> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>>>> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>>>> out the window."
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis.

>
> I'd be amazed if that's the case in America ; and it certainly isn't
> true here.
>
>> They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds.

>
> I've never encountered that belief.
>
>> OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people."

>
> Not in the slightest. I'm used to being white.
>

I'm used to being white, too. My black friends are used to being black.
We don't generally point it out. We don't eat any differently,
either. We cook or order what we like. Race doesn't have a thing to do
with it.
> The objection, here on rfc, is to your ignorant generalisations (about
> whites, Americans, young people, old people).
>
>
> Janet UK
>

He appears to like making such distinctions. Separatism. Sorry, I'm
not into it.

Jill


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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 9:53:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-08-05 8:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> >>>> Yes you did.
> >>>>
> >>>> First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
> >>>> meat and don't like spicy food.
> >>>>
> >>>> When white people disputed that you replied
> >>>>
> >>>> "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
> >>>> guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
> >>>> They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
> >>>> think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
> >>>> out the window."
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
> >>>
> >>> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.
> >>
> >> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton

> >
> > I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass. It was uncalled-for.
> >
> > It did make me wonder, though, how WWII would have played out if Hawaii had
> > not been under U.S. control in 1941. Would the Japanese have made their
> > move against Alaska, instead, or some other U.S. possession?

>
> The attack on Pearl Harbor in Dec7 1941 was just one part of a wide
> range of coordinated military actions taken by Japan. They also swept
> down into southeast Asia, Hong Hong and the Aleutian Islands.


True. Would they have taken Hawaii as a potential forward base for
invading the U.S. mainland, I wonder?

Well, there's an entire subgenre of science fiction that deals with such
stuff. Perhaps I'll see if one of those authors has speculated about it.
I've never been much into military history, but this question popped into
my head this morning.

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Cheri wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > penmart wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Butt is only good for over cooking for pulled, which to me is
> > > > just a pile of strings, not at all appetizing, plus butt is
> > > > nearly half fat.
> > >
> > > Makes good sausage.

> >
> > True but very few home cooks in the US make their own sausage...
> > pitifully few home cooks grind their own burgers.
> >

Snipped

> >
> > I don't see any big deal about grinding meat... takes me less than
> > five minutes to clean the grinder.

>
>
> Yes, we have heard that at least 100 times. Good for you!
>
> Cheri


Hi Cheri,

Just to add to the flow, I'm one of those rare ones who makes my own
breakfast sausage. This isn't uncommonly from my own ground pork butt.
Reason being is that is a side to using my grinder for bone in raw dog
food.

Every 2-3 weeks we have a little little grinding party here with us and
2 neighbors who like to grind their own dog food. My machine can't
handle bones bigger than chicken ones (and skip the leg bones) but does
fine with the necks, wings and spine. Depending on size of bird, can
do rib bones. Ground bone is a required part for healthy dogs. They
add a variety of supplments later to their portions based on their own
dogs needs.

Pretty much they supply the meats for the dogs (and we all provide the
ones we are grinding for our own 2foots use). I provide the vacuum
sealer and bags (ziplock or sealer types depending on what they want)
and get a small portion of the ground bone in dog meat for treats for
my 2 dogs). Of the neighbors, they need roughly 5 cups ground a day
between them (some labs and other larger dogs involved). To that if
curious, they add sweet potatoes, cooked rice, carrots, blueberries and
such to round out the diet.

Anyways, I have the better kitchen layout for this even though I lack
counterspace. In the 1960's when my house was built, larger kitchens
where you could have a table in there for 6 were 'the thing'. The
other 2 have kitchens that have been 'modernized' and no longer are
efficient for this purpose (unmoveable center islands with tiny sinks
and such).

Defrosting if needed, is done before they get here. Rough deboning
done too if the person has time and that meat type needs it but hey,
it's a mini-party so we happily deal with that!

Back to Sheldon's comment on time? He's right that once used to it, it
takes about 5 minutes to clean the grinder unless you have a less
efficient design model. KitchenAide presumably from others, is a slow
thing but it wasn't designed to handle some 40-80lbs of grinding at a
time.

In our case, we deconstruct and clean between each type of meat and
while one does that, the other 2 are setting up the next meat type to
grind (chopping or whatever is needed).

Generally takes us about 2 hours for the total run. Some will be
people food.




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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > > penmart wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Butt is only good for over cooking for pulled, which to me is
>> > > > just a pile of strings, not at all appetizing, plus butt is
>> > > > nearly half fat.
>> > >
>> > > Makes good sausage.
>> >
>> > True but very few home cooks in the US make their own sausage...
>> > pitifully few home cooks grind their own burgers.
>> >

> Snipped
>
>> >
>> > I don't see any big deal about grinding meat... takes me less than
>> > five minutes to clean the grinder.

>>
>>
>> Yes, we have heard that at least 100 times. Good for you!
>>
>> Cheri

>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Just to add to the flow, I'm one of those rare ones who makes my own
> breakfast sausage. This isn't uncommonly from my own ground pork butt.
> Reason being is that is a side to using my grinder for bone in raw dog
> food.
>
> Every 2-3 weeks we have a little little grinding party here with us and
> 2 neighbors who like to grind their own dog food. My machine can't
> handle bones bigger than chicken ones (and skip the leg bones) but does
> fine with the necks, wings and spine. Depending on size of bird, can
> do rib bones. Ground bone is a required part for healthy dogs. They
> add a variety of supplments later to their portions based on their own
> dogs needs.
>
> Pretty much they supply the meats for the dogs (and we all provide the
> ones we are grinding for our own 2foots use). I provide the vacuum
> sealer and bags (ziplock or sealer types depending on what they want)
> and get a small portion of the ground bone in dog meat for treats for
> my 2 dogs). Of the neighbors, they need roughly 5 cups ground a day
> between them (some labs and other larger dogs involved). To that if
> curious, they add sweet potatoes, cooked rice, carrots, blueberries and
> such to round out the diet.
>
> Anyways, I have the better kitchen layout for this even though I lack
> counterspace. In the 1960's when my house was built, larger kitchens
> where you could have a table in there for 6 were 'the thing'. The
> other 2 have kitchens that have been 'modernized' and no longer are
> efficient for this purpose (unmoveable center islands with tiny sinks
> and such).
>
> Defrosting if needed, is done before they get here. Rough deboning
> done too if the person has time and that meat type needs it but hey,
> it's a mini-party so we happily deal with that!
>
> Back to Sheldon's comment on time? He's right that once used to it, it
> takes about 5 minutes to clean the grinder unless you have a less
> efficient design model. KitchenAide presumably from others, is a slow
> thing but it wasn't designed to handle some 40-80lbs of grinding at a
> time.
>
> In our case, we deconstruct and clean between each type of meat and
> while one does that, the other 2 are setting up the next meat type to
> grind (chopping or whatever is needed).
>
> Generally takes us about 2 hours for the total run. Some will be
> people food.


I don't have a thing against making your own sausage etc., I have done it
too, but...I don't post the whole story with nasty responses to someone
elses post about their sausage, hamburger, etc. like "Mr. everything I do or
like is the only way" does, usually with hateful words to boot.

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> On 2018-08-02 6:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > There are many things in this world that you just don't get. There's
> > no reason to brag about being ignorant.
> >
> > The idea that food preferences and race/culture/history are not
> > related is a very odd notion to me. Why is it that Asians don't have
> > a very long history of drinking milk or cheese production? Why is it
> > that white folks tend to shy away from spicy foods? My guess is has
> > to do with race and culture. Why are people afraid of this idea?
> > Beats me.
> >

>
> That's a hell of a generalization. I am white and I like spicy food.
> My wife and my son and many of my friends like spicy food. Many of
> the Europeans who immigrated to North America came with their
> cultural foods, the foods they grew up. Many of them or their
> children were exposed to spicier foods as our society became more
> diverse. Maybe a lot of credit for spicy foods in this area was due
> to the popularity of Buffalo wings.


Not really sure. Our basis of spices I think, is what we knew and were
raised on. No relation to skin color. There are some things that can
be racially related (hence a feeling of skin color).

Lactose intolerance. Thts actually an oxymoron sort of thing.
Europeans are oddly lactose tolerant all their lives for the most part.
This was probably a survival trait because those who could handle
cheese or milk later than adolescence (because it was available),
tended to survive. In other places, milk or milk products was simply
not a factor of available food so no genetic selection took place.
Seem right?

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> On 8/3/2018 11:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2018-08-03 9:31 AM, wrote:
> >>On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:17:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >

> wrote:
> >
> > > > Just look at regional food.Â* Northern counties have little of
> > > > it.Â* In more recent years our food choices have expanded and
> > > > some people have more tolerance for spice and enjoy it, but 50
> > > > years ago many of us never heard of some Mexican foods.Â* There
> > > > is also a small group of macho guys that go after hot foods to
> > > > prove their manhood.
> > >
> > > I can't say I like Mexican food, though I do love a good Indian
> > > curry because although maybe hot they still manage to have
> > > wonderful different flavours coming through, whereas I find
> > > Mexican food is just hot.

> >
> > I don't know how authentic the Mexican food is in your area. When
> > Mexican restaurants started opening up around here they were more
> > TexMex than Mexican, and they were a major disappointment.Â* The
> > newer restaurants tend to be more authentic and have wider range
> > of flavours.
> >
> > I think that as people become accustomed to the heat from the
> > peppers they start to appreciate some of the other flavours in
> > there.

>
> I think it's difficult to find Mexican food in the US (and I guess in
> Canada) that isn't dumbed down to Tex-Mex. Mexico is a very diverse
> country. In most Mexican restaurants I have never seen fish, seafood
> or fresh fruit or veggies on the menu. It's usually tacos, rice,
> beans, tamales, burritos, quesadillas. Complimentary salsa with
> fried tortilla chips. Nothing very interesting and likely not
> representative of anything other than cheap Mexican food.
>
> My neighbor (who is from Minnesota and she loves spicy food!) went to
> Mexico a few years ago with some friends. They were not staying in
> some tourist town. Another friend of theirs owned a small casita and
> invited them to visit. It was off the beaten path more towards the
> gulf of Mexico.
>
> She told me when they went out to eat in small cafes there was
> grilled fish, grilled veggies, tons of fresh fruit. Spicy? Sure.
> But not anything she ever thought of as "Mexican".
>
> I think dsi1 needs to put away that paintbrush. He doesn't know know
> how to use it.
>
> Jill


One of the things I never saw in Hawaii, was authentic mexican. If it
was there, I missed the place.

While Hawaii has many excellent foods, they tend to not be very
authentic unless left of them on the globe.


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> On 8/3/2018 6:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2018-08-03 6:36 PM, wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 4:39:44 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's a hell of a generalization. I am white and I like spicy
> > > > food. My wife and my son and many of my friends like spicy food.
> > > > Many of the Europeans who immigrated to North America came with
> > > > their cultural foods, the foods they grew up. Many of them or
> > > > their children were exposed to spicier foods as our society
> > > > became more diverse.Â* Maybe a lot of credit for spicy foods in
> > > > this area was due to the popularity of Buffalo wings.
> > >
> > > I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other
> > > white guys.

> >
> > Ah I see. When you talked about white people you actually meant all
> > the white guys other than me.
> >

> Ah... I see he changed his email name. He's talking about white
> people other than me, too, BTW.
>
> > Â*The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat
> > > levels. They seek out foods that their parents have never heard
> > > of or would think of eating. They are the ones that will throw
> > > all that bland food out the window.

> >

> Oh puleeeze! Will they be using their 3-D printers to make this food?
>
> > Actually, it is my generation who developed an interest in foreign
> > foods, spices and heat.Â* Lots of theÂ* younger generation are big
> > fans of McDonalds and other bland fast food joints.
> >

> I couldn't speak for the younger generation. I do know I didn't
> spend much time eating in fast food joints when I was the younger
> generation.
>
> I cook very tasty meals. I like spicy food but I don't want to eat
> spicy food every day. What I cook is flavorful, that's what is
> important.
>
> And no, I don't prefer "white meat" chicken breast. As for pork, I
> think it's pretty well been established on RFC over the years many of
> us miss the old fattier cuts of pork. It's not our fault the farmers
> started raising leaner pigs.
>
> I'll take a well marbled pork steak (grilled or fried) over an
> extremely lean slice of pork tenderloin any day. But I also know how
> to prepare pork tendloin so it comes out tasty, tender and juicy. I
> buy them when they're on sale and usually have one in the freezer. I
> don't buy the pre-seasoned ones.
>
> Jill


Totally not into that pesky white chicken breast stuff. When e bake a
chicken, we feed that to the dogs.
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> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Amazing!
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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:31:00 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > > Yes you did.
> > > >
> > > > First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
> > > > meat and don't like spicy food.
> > > >
> > > > When white people disputed that you replied
> > > >
> > > > "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
> > > > guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
> > > > They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
> > > > think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
> > > > out the window."
> > > >
> > > > Janet UK
> > >
> > > White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
> > >
> > > It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

> >
> > YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton

>
> I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass. It was uncalled-for.
>
> It did make me wonder, though, how WWII would have played out if Hawaii had
> not been under U.S. control in 1941. Would the Japanese have made their
> move against Alaska, instead, or some other U.S. possession?
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Had it not been stolen, Hawaii might have probably become a protectorate of the US or Great Britain. If it was with GB, the US would not have entered the war when it did. What would have been the effect of that? Beats me.
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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 3:53:16 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
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> The attack on Pearl Harbor in Dec7 1941 was just one part of a wide
> range of coordinated military actions taken by Japan. They also swept
> down into southeast Asia, Hong Hong and the Aleutian Islands.


The first shots fired on US soil happened in my little town. The Kaneohe naval base was attacked before Pearl. Perhaps history will repeat itself.


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> I have to assume Hawaiians would not have such an affinity for SPAM were
> it not for their being a part of the US before WWII. It doesn't explain
> why they still eat a large quantity of SPAM. Likely more than the
> people in Minnesota, where SPAM is made. Perhaps there are no real
> cooking aspirations on that rock.
>
> I'm guessing he's never tasted Cajun or Creole food. Couldn't call that
> spicy or adventurous... oh wait. It is! It's also multi-cultural.
>
> dsi1 seems to have very narrow assumptions about what people on the
> mainland eat. It's kind of sad, really. It's a very large and diverse
> country with many cultures and interests in different types of food.
>
> He's stuck believing there is a black & white divide and never the twain
> shall meet. I beg to differ.
>
> Jill


"Presumptuous" must be your middle name. I have tasted Cajun food. NOLA has a culture and a people that is their very own. There are many places on the mainland that have their local culture but probably none so distinct and prevalent. They do their own thing and they're proud of it. That's a good thing.
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 05:05:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>> > Yes you did.
>> >
>> > First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>> > meat and don't like spicy food.
>> >
>> > When white people disputed that you replied
>> >
>> > "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>> > guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>> > They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>> > think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>> > out the window."
>> >
>> > Janet UK

>>
>> White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
>>
>> It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

>
>YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!


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On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 8:05:22 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 2:59:40 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>> > > Yes you did.
>> > >
>> > > First you made a sweeping generalisation that white people prefer white
>> > > meat and don't like spicy food.
>> > >
>> > > When white people disputed that you replied
>> > >
>> > > "I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the other white
>> > > guys. The younger generation is totally into new foods and heat levels.
>> > > They seek out foods that their parents have never heard of or would
>> > > think of eating. They are the ones that will throw all that bland food
>> > > out the window."
>> > >
>> > > Janet UK
>> >
>> > White people are fairly resistant to the idea that colored folks have to deal with being identified by their race on a daily basis. They think it's all in the imagination of the colored's minds. OTOH, they just freak out at the mere mention of "white people." I don't get freaked out by the words "japs" "gooks" or "slopes" et al. I'm used to it. Why do yoose guys get so upset about these fairly innocuous words?
>> >
>> > It's fairly obvious that posters in this group are interested in foods like spaghetti, hamburgers, soups, pizza, potatoes, BBQ, etc. That's just the kind of foods people like to post about. I'm fairly sure that there's not much interest in Indian curry, not in America, at least.

>>
>> YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, DUMBASS!
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
>I apologize for losing my shit and calling you a dumbass. It was uncalled-for.


Yes, but it was an understandable emotion
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> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 11:34:23 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > It is interesting how your bar keeps moving up and down and
> > sideways. You make sweeping generalizations and then when people
> > contradict you the story changes. You claim that you said that
> > Indian curry never made it big in the US and Cindy gave you the
> > example of her city of 100,000 that has a dozen Indian restaurants,
> > including one that has been there for almost 50 years. Her
> > anecdote trumps who baseless generalization.

>
> I'll stand by my statement. All of them in fact. If you have any
> information that I am wrong or spreading misinformation, just let me
> know and I'll make amends. This has been my policy from day one.
>
> Indian curry never made it big in the US. Japanese curry is popular
> in Ha-ha-waii though. Indian curry is not. My guess is that
> Indian/Japanese curry is still not that popular on the mainland.
> Random people googling Indian restaurants in their town don't amount
> to a hill of beans. These guys don't eat or like curry. I love the
> stuff. We went to a Curry house a couple of weeks ago. It was most
> wonderful!
>
>

https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...u4kpDlaz6wfQoL

I hate to tell you this but you are wrong. Curry is as big in the USA
as it is where you are. It just isnt always called 'curry'.
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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 12:22:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
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> ==
>
> 'Let him' ? Hey I am not his boss! He will write what he likes as will I.


That's the nutty mentality of a lot of the posters here. They believe that people can be controlled by other people. The are quite the arrogant twits.

I was watching a movie set in Ireland the other night. Somebody exclaims "blow me!" That was surprising because it means something quite different in the US. It means "go to hell" over here.

Boy, that was one depressing movie. Angela's Ashes.


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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 9:22:33 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
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> I hate to tell you this but you are wrong. Curry is as big in the USA
> as it is where you are. It just isnt always called 'curry'.


Okay, I'll bite. How is that?
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 12:22:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> ==
>>
>> 'Let him' ? Hey I am not his boss! He will write what he likes as will I.

>
>That's the nutty mentality of a lot of the posters here. They believe that people can be controlled by other people. The are quite the arrogant twits.
>
>I was watching a movie set in Ireland the other night. Somebody exclaims "blow me!" That was surprising because it means something quite different in the US. It means "go to hell" over here.
>
>Boy, that was one depressing movie. Angela's Ashes.


I read that book. By Somebody McSomebody.
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> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 4:06:55 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> >
> > He's just too uneducated to know any world history. Europe traded
> > with and colonised Africa , India and the Far East hundreds of
> > years ago.
> >
> > Black pepper initially came overland. why the Guild of Pepperers
> > (nowadays London livery company the Worshipful Company of Grocers),
> > founded in 12th-century London, chose a camel as its symbol. It was
> > the main spice that European explorers wanted when they sought
> > sea-passages to the ?Indies? that would allow them to bypass the
> > overland trade?s expensive middle-men.
> >
> > Hannah Glasse's The Art of Cookery, first published in 1747
> > contained recipes for curries and pilaus.
> >
> > In 1810, Indian food was so well known (and liked) by Brit
> > travellers, that Dean Mahomet opened the first Indian restaurant in
> > England: the Hindoostane Coffee House in George Street, near
> > Portman Square, Central London.
> >
> > Janet UK

>
> My comments were about the food trends of America, not the UK. I
> won't comment on the UK food trends because I don't know enough about
> the subject. Feel free to wax nostalgic about Indian restaurants in
> the UK in 1810. The reality is that it doesn't have a thing to do
> with what's happening in the United States in 2018. You need to learn
> how to focus your mind. It's all over the wall and none of it is
> sticking.


DS1, sorry but we have lots of Indian food places here.

Google them and you get: About 24,600,000 results (1.39 seconds)

I won't even try to count them.
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2018 14:49:10 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
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>> My comments were about the food trends of America, not the UK. I
>> won't comment on the UK food trends because I don't know enough about
>> the subject. Feel free to wax nostalgic about Indian restaurants in
>> the UK in 1810. The reality is that it doesn't have a thing to do
>> with what's happening in the United States in 2018. You need to learn
>> how to focus your mind. It's all over the wall and none of it is
>> sticking.

>
>DS1, sorry but we have lots of Indian food places here.
>
>Google them and you get: About 24,600,000 results (1.39 seconds)
>
>I won't even try to count them.


cshenk, in dsi1's culture, it's very important not to lose face, as
they only have one. So unless you want him to go through life
faceless, we should stop pointing out that he's wrong. It's a cultural
sensitivity.
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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 12:22:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
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> ==
>
> 'Let him' ? Hey I am not his boss! He will write what he likes as will I.


That's the nutty mentality of a lot of the posters here. They believe that
people can be controlled by other people. The are quite the arrogant twits.

I was watching a movie set in Ireland the other night. Somebody exclaims
"blow me!" That was surprising because it means something quite different in
the US. It means "go to hell" over here.

Boy, that was one depressing movie. Angela's Ashes.

==

I haven't seen that one. But 'blow me' here usually means 'blimey' or
'gosh' or 'knock me down with a feather' iyswim

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