Red Beans & Rice:

https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg

Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:

https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg

Plated:

https://s13.postimg.org/ab6528pkn/ch...steakgravy.jpg

Jill

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Red Beans & Rice:
>
>https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>
>Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>
>https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>
>Plated:
>
>https://s13.postimg.org/ab6528pkn/ch...steakgravy.jpg
>
>Jill
those oven patties look good.
Janet US

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:22:06 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> Red Beans & Rice:
>
> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>
I've only had red beans & rice once and it was knock-
your-socks-off delicious. That being said about 2 weeks
ago I bought a can of "Margaret Holmes" red beans & rice.
How disappointing, utterly disappointing when about 3 days
prior I had eaten her brand of seasoned field peas & snaps
and they were 'lick the plate clean' good.
>
> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>
> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>
> Plated:
>
> https://s13.postimg.org/ab6528pkn/ch...steakgravy.jpg
>
> Jill
>
Looks mighty good 'cept for those green beans. I just don't
care for french green beans. But if you were to sit that
plate down in front of me I'd dig in without hesitation.

On 1/6/2018 7:53 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:22:06 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>> Red Beans & Rice:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>>
> I've only had red beans & rice once and it was knock-
> your-socks-off delicious. That being said about 2 weeks
> ago I bought a can of "Margaret Holmes" red beans & rice.

I've never seen canned red beans & rice. Margaret Holmes brand of other
canned beans, sure.

> How disappointing, utterly disappointing when about 3 days
> prior I had eaten her brand of seasoned field peas & snaps
> and they were 'lick the plate clean' good.

Different things.

>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>>
>> Plated:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/ab6528pkn/ch...steakgravy.jpg
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Looks mighty good 'cept for those green beans. I just don't
> care for french green beans. But if you were to sit that
> plate down in front of me I'd dig in without hesitation.
>
I'm sure you would eat them because you're polite. I don't like most
canned green beans unless they're the french cut type. Even then, I
only eat them a couple of times a year.

Jill

On 1/6/2018 7:46 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>>
> those oven patties look good.
> Janet US
>
Thanks! Easy and tasty. I used that old tupperware hamburger press my
mother gave me to form the patties.

Now I have more leftover mashed potatoes. Oh dear, should I make potato
pancakes (yes, it calls for an egg) again? Should I call them potato
croquettes? Hmmmmm.

Jill

On 1/6/2018 10:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> But canned are
> just limp and mushy.

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>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 1/6/2018 9:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> uch more manageable and energy efficient.
> Think of the Children!
>
> -sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:05:28 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 7:53 PM, wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:22:06 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >>
> >> Red Beans & Rice:
> >>
> >> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
> >>
> > I've only had red beans & rice once and it was knock-
> > your-socks-off delicious. That being said about 2 weeks
> > ago I bought a can of "Margaret Holmes" red beans & rice.
>
> I've never seen canned red beans & rice. Margaret Holmes brand of other
> canned beans, sure.
>
I got that can at Walmart and they had several other varieties of her
seasoned vegetables.
?
> > How disappointing, utterly disappointing when about 3 days
> > prior I had eaten her brand of seasoned field peas & snaps
> > and they were 'lick the plate clean' good.
>
> Different things.
>
> >> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
> >> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
> >> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
> >>
> >> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
> >>
> >> Plated:
> >>
> >> https://s13.postimg.org/ab6528pkn/ch...steakgravy.jpg
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> > Looks mighty good 'cept for those green beans. I just don't
> > care for french green beans. But if you were to sit that
> > plate down in front of me I'd dig in without hesitation.
> >
> I'm sure you would eat them because you're polite. I don't like most
> canned green beans unless they're the french cut type. Even then, I
> only eat them a couple of times a year.
>
> Jill
>
Hahahahahaaaaa, the French green beans remind me of lawn clippings.

:-)

On 1/7/2018 9:13 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You know this the Casa Boner mental defective, right? (always posts as
> Casa-something, anmong others). He forges a dozen other people (mostly
> me) because he can't stand being himself.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 1/7/2018 9:15 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You'll be just as irritating as he.
>
> -sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 1/6/2018 11:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Red Beans & Rice:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>
> I notice a lot of your pictures have that shadow in the lower left.
> Is that your finger?
>
>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>>
>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>
> Why not just simmer them on the stove covered on low rather than
> heating up the whole oven? Much more manageable and energy efficient.
> Think of the Children!
>
> -sw
>

She is heating the house in this weather. No heat is wasted.

On 1/7/2018 10:45 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to heat
> the house.

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>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:29:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/2018 11:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Red Beans & Rice:
>>>>
>>>> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>>>
>>> I notice a lot of your pictures have that shadow in the lower left.
>>> Is that your finger?
>>>
>>>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>>>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>>>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>>>>
>>>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>>>
>>> Why not just simmer them on the stove covered on low rather than
>>> heating up the whole oven? Much more manageable and energy efficient.
>>> Think of the Children!
>>
>> She is heating the house in this weather. No heat is wasted.
>
> Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to heat
> the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the outside. The
> stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for heating and cooking.
>
> -sw
>

So every oven in SC vent outside? I think Jill needs to answer that
one, not someone 1000 miles away.

On 1/7/2018 11:33 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> ObFood: Rustic no-knead bread.
>
> -sw
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>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 1/7/2018 12:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 11:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Red Beans & Rice:
>>>
>>> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
>>
>> I notice a lot of your pictures have that shadow in the lower left.
>> Is that your finger?
>>
No, that's shadow from the overhead lights on the dining room table.

>>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of chopped
>>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven (covered the baking
>>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in beef gravy:
>>>
>>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
>>
>> Why not just simmer them on the stove covered on low rather than
>> heating up the whole oven?Â* Much more manageable and energy efficient.
>> Think of the Children!
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> She is heating the house in this weather.Â* No heat is wasted.

True enough. Besides, if I'd done it on the stovetop I'd have had to
keep an eye on it, perhaps stir it. The electric burners on this old
stove aren't always consistent. Put it in the oven, all I have to do is
set the timer and go do other things for a while.

Jill

On 1/7/2018 1:08 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> No, he's responded to the forged Marty from what I can tell. He's
> being a gullible asshole, too. He said he was going to 'bow out' and
> then keeps responding.
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> ost
> >
> 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
>
>
> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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On 1/7/2018 1:11 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> So yes, I
> *can* answer it from 1,000 miles away.
>
> -sw

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> ost
> >
> 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
>
>
> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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On 1/7/2018 1:34 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I still would have done it on the stove. But I guess you wanted that
> true Hungry Man Salisbury Steak TV dinner experience:-)
>
> -sw
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> ost
> >
> 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
>
>
> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:08:58 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:
snip
>
>ObFood: Why does my no-knead bread always suck at rising the second
>time? It's like the yeast is spent or something.
>
>-sw

It shouldn't be worn out. People keep dough in the fridge for a
couple of weeks. Are you proofing at too warm a temperature? (80F) Or
(if rising in the fridge) are you not allowing enough time for it to
rise? Put out a PING to Graham, Boron and Ophelia. They all do no
knead. I haven't done no knead in a while and I never had any
problems.
Janet US

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:08:58 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:
snip
>
>ObFood: Why does my no-knead bread always suck at rising the second
>time? It's like the yeast is spent or something.
>
>-sw

It shouldn't be worn out. People keep dough in the fridge for a
couple of weeks. Are you proofing at too warm a temperature? (80F) Or
(if rising in the fridge) are you not allowing enough time for it to
rise? Put out a PING to Graham, Boron and Ophelia. They all do no
knead. I haven't done no knead in a while and I never had any
problems.
Janet US

==

I don't have any problem with a second rise with my no knead dough. In
fact when I made my last lot yesterday I had it on a table a bit near a
radiator and it just about climbed out. I don't usually put it there but I
was busy with other cooking and needed it out of the way.

On 2018-01-07 1:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

>> Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to heat
>> the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the outside.Â* The
>> stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for heating and cooking.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> So every oven in SC vent outside?Â* I think Jill needs to answer that
> one, not someone 1000 miles away.

Are there special models of ovens for sale in South Carolina. Every
(electric) stove I have ever owned or used has come with a vent through
a stove burner.

On 1/7/2018 3:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> It very active and bubbly.

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> ost
> >
> 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
>
>
> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:29:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 1/6/2018 11:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Red Beans & Rice:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I notice a lot of your pictures have that shadow in the lower
> > > > left. Is that your finger?
> > > >
> > > > > Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple
> > > > > of chopped round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven
> > > > > (covered the baking dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in
> > > > > beef gravy:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Why not just simmer them on the stove covered on low rather than
> > > > heating up the whole oven? Much more manageable and energy
> > > > efficient. Think of the Children!
> > >
> > > She is heating the house in this weather. No heat is wasted.
> >
> > Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to heat
> > the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the outside. The
> > stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for heating and
> > cooking.
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> So every oven in SC vent outside? I think Jill needs to answer that
> one, not someone 1000 miles away.

Only ones i know of are a hood anove them that you turn on. If you
don't turn it on, no exterior venting going on.

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 16:09:36 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:12:00 -0700, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:08:58 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>ObFood: Why does my no-knead bread always suck at rising the second
>>>time? It's like the yeast is spent or something.
>>
>> It shouldn't be worn out. People keep dough in the fridge for a
>> couple of weeks. Are you proofing at too warm a temperature? (80F) Or
>> (if rising in the fridge) are you not allowing enough time for it to
>> rise?
>
>It rises 14-16 hours at about 74F. It very active and bubbly. Then
>when I take it out of bowl, recover and let rise again, it never
>really rises again - or takes 5-6 hours when it should only take 2.
>And of course it never holds it's shape. I'll probably be having
>something more akin to ciabatta bread than any sort of rustic loaf.
>
>I make pizza dough using the same yeast all the time and it rises fine
>- almost too active. But it only goes 2 hours the first time, then
>rest for another hour where it rises again.
>
>Late lunch yesterday was an awesome 18" pizza.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwert...ream/lightbox/
>
>-sw

If I were going to do at 14-16 rise, it would be in the fridge. IMO,
at those temps the dough needs to be fed again with some fresh flour.
But what do I know, no-knead isn't really my wheelhouse. You need to
do a Ping.
Janet US

On 1/7/2018 3:34 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:32:03 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/7/2018 12:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> She is heating the house in this weather.Â* No heat is wasted.
>>
>> True enough. Besides, if I'd done it on the stovetop I'd have had to
>> keep an eye on it, perhaps stir it. The electric burners on this old
>> stove aren't always consistent. Put it in the oven, all I have to do is
>> set the timer and go do other things for a while.
>
> I thought you had gas oven/stove. The venting may not apply, then.
> Nevermind!
>
> I still would have done it on the stove. But I guess you wanted that
> true Hungry Man Salisbury Steak TV dinner experience :-)
>
> -sw
>
Nope, it's electric. I've only ever had one gas stove in an apartment
back around 1984. That homemade "Hungry Man" dinner was delicious!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > I thought you had gas oven/stove. The venting may not apply, then.
> > Nevermind!
> >
> > I still would have done it on the stove. But I guess you wanted that
> > true Hungry Man Salisbury Steak TV dinner experience :-)
> >
> > -sw
> >
> Nope, it's electric. I've only ever had one gas stove in an apartment
> back around 1984. That homemade "Hungry Man" dinner was delicious!

So is the commercial 'Hungry Man' dinner prepared with way more
ease.

On 1/8/2018 9:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> I thought you had gas oven/stove. The venting may not apply, then.
>>> Nevermind!
>>>
>>> I still would have done it on the stove. But I guess you wanted that
>>> true Hungry Man Salisbury Steak TV dinner experience :-)
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> Nope, it's electric. I've only ever had one gas stove in an apartment
>> back around 1984. That homemade "Hungry Man" dinner was delicious!
>
> So is the commercial 'Hungry Man' dinner prepared with way more
> ease.
>
I prefer to make my own from scratch. Where do you think they got the
idea for those frozen dinners?

Besides, this way I know exactly what ingredients are in it.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Besides, this way I know exactly what ingredients are in it.

I see that Bruce(tm) has gotten to you. heheh

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:31:22 AM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
....
> >
> I prefer to make my own from scratch. Where do you think they got the
> idea for those frozen dinners?
>
> Besides, this way I know exactly what ingredients are in it.
>
> Jill

Exactly!! Processed food makers HATE IT when we cook!

**** Processed FOOD makers!! Cooking IS processing food for consumption, NOT MAKING YOU RICHER!! :-( I AM A Food Processor!! The Process is called COOKING!

John Kuthe...

On 1/8/2018 10:00 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 8:31:22 AM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> ...
>>>
>> I prefer to make my own from scratch. Where do you think they got the
>> idea for those frozen dinners?
>>
>> Besides, this way I know exactly what ingredients are in it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Exactly!! Processed food makers HATE IT when we cook!
>
> **** Processed FOOD makers!! Cooking IS processing food for consumption, NOT MAKING YOU RICHER!! :-( I AM A Food Processor!! The Process is called COOKING!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

But more importantly you are also an artist - and that is where the
magic goes in.

It's interesting to think of how valued you would be in a nation like
Belgium or Switzerland where being a chocolatier is a venerated and
lucrative profession.

Yet here you get titters of mockery from the bully belt and outright
health department threats from Sqwertz!

That's totally mental.

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:34:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:29:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/6/2018 11:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:21:53 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > >
> >>>>> Red Beans & Rice:
> > > > > >
> >>>>> https://s13.postimg.org/v82d6nft3/rb_r.jpg
> > > > >
> >>>> I notice a lot of your pictures have that shadow in the lower
> left. >>>> Is that your finger?
> > > > >
> >>>>> Today I still had a hankering for beef so I browned a couple of
> chopped >>>>> round patties, then slow cooked them in the oven
> (covered the baking >>>>> dish with foil for about 40 minutes) in
> beef gravy:
> > > > > >
> >>>>> https://s13.postimg.org/rogfh52w7/choppedinoven.jpg
> > > > >
> >>>> Why not just simmer them on the stove covered on low rather than
> >>>> heating up the whole oven? Much more manageable and energy
> efficient. >>>> Think of the Children!
> > > >
> >>> She is heating the house in this weather. No heat is wasted.
> >>
> >> Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to
> heat >> the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the outside.
> The >> stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for heating and
> cooking.
> >
> > So every oven in SC vent outside? I think Jill needs to answer
> > that one, not someone 1000 miles away.
>
> It's the building codes in some states/counties/cities, Ed. So yes, I
> can answer it from 1,000 miles away.
>
> -sw

Don't suppose you could show us that section? I've not been able to
google it. I also never saw one venting outside from 1975-1983. I saw
hoods (optional) that tyou could place above them and those vented
outside, but that's not the same as the stove doing so. Thats an
optional cover piece.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2018-01-07 1:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > > Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to
> > > heat the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the
> > > outside.Â* The stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for
> > > heating and cooking.
> > >
> > > -sw
> > >
> >
> > So every oven in SC vent outside?Â* I think Jill needs to answer
> > that one, not someone 1000 miles away.
>
> Are there special models of ovens for sale in South Carolina. Every
> (electric) stove I have ever owned or used has come with a vent
> through a stove burner.

I'm not sure what you mean but he's talking venting outside. I'm having
trouble picturing a vent in a burner?

On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-07 1:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>>> Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way to
>>>> heat the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the
>>>> outside.Â* The stove (with vent hood off) is more economical for
>>>> heating and cooking.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>
>>> So every oven in SC vent outside?Â* I think Jill needs to answer
>>> that one, not someone 1000 miles away.
>>
>> Are there special models of ovens for sale in South Carolina. Every
>> (electric) stove I have ever owned or used has come with a vent
>> through a stove burner.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean but he's talking venting outside. I'm having
> trouble picturing a vent in a burner?

There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner bases.
When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up through it.
Pots left on those burners will heat up.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On 2018-01-07 1:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way
> > > > > to heat the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the
> > > > > outside.Â* The stove (with vent hood off) is more economical
> > > > > for heating and cooking.
> > > > >
> > > > > -sw
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So every oven in SC vent outside?Â* I think Jill needs to answer
> > > > that one, not someone 1000 miles away.
> > >
> > > Are there special models of ovens for sale in South Carolina.
> > > Every (electric) stove I have ever owned or used has come with a
> > > vent through a stove burner.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean but he's talking venting outside. I'm
> > having trouble picturing a vent in a burner?
>
> There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
> bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
> through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.

Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?
Carol

On 2018-01-08 7:55 PM, cshenk wrote:

>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean but he's talking venting outside. I'm
>>> having trouble picturing a vent in a burner?
>>
>> There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
>> bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
>> through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.
>
> Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
> stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
> in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?



Someone upstream commented about heat from an oven not being wasted
because it helped heat the house, to which a rocket scientist responded
that it was an inefficient way to heat and that in SC all ovens are
vented outside.

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:55:35 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2018-01-07 1:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Using the oven for heating is the second least efficient way
> > > > > > to heat the house. Especially in SC where ovens vent to the
> > > > > > outside.Â* The stove (with vent hood off) is more economical
> > > > > > for heating and cooking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -sw
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So every oven in SC vent outside?Â* I think Jill needs to answer
> > > > > that one, not someone 1000 miles away.
> > > >
> > > > Are there special models of ovens for sale in South Carolina.
> > > > Every (electric) stove I have ever owned or used has come with a
> > > > vent through a stove burner.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean but he's talking venting outside. I'm
> > > having trouble picturing a vent in a burner?
> >
> > There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
> > bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
> > through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.
>
> Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
> stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
> in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?
> Carol

My Bosch gas range vents the oven through a slot at the back-left of the
cooktop. It's a great location for warming plates.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> My Bosch gas range vents the oven through a slot at the back-left of the
> cooktop. It's a great location for warming plates.

About the same here. My gas stove vents the oven through slots on
the back of the cooktop (a 9" vent right in the center). Then
there is a plain hood over cooktop. On the wall between hood and
cooktop is a vent to the outside with an exhaust fan.

On 2018-01-08 7:55 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>

>> There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
>> bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
>> through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.
>
> Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
> stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
> in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?

Feel free to investigate the next time you use you oven. There will be a
vent somewhere that allows heat to escape from the oven. Stoves with
electric coil burners usually vent through one of the element pots.
Glass tops often have a grill on the the console. The claim was that
ovens have to be vented outside in SC. All ovens are already vented into
the kitchen.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:59:41 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-01-08 7:55 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>
>
> >> There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
> >> bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
> >> through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.
> >
> > Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
> > stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
> > in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?
>
> Feel free to investigate the next time you use you oven. There will be a
> vent somewhere that allows heat to escape from the oven. Stoves with
> electric coil burners usually vent through one of the element pots.
> Glass tops often have a grill on the the console. The claim was that
> ovens have to be vented outside in SC. All ovens are already vented into
> the kitchen.

That said, I'm pretty sure that code requires a gas cooktop or range
to have additional ventilation to carry combustion gases to the
outdoors. Electric cooktops or ranges can have those pitiful
recirculating fans.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2018-01-09 9:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:59:41 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-01-08 7:55 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-08 5:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>> There is a vent from the oven that exhausts through one of burner
>>>> bases. When your oven is operating you can feel the heat coming up
>>>> through it. Pots left on those burners will heat up.
>>>
>>> Umm, ok if you say so but I've never noted this on any standalone
>>> stove/range yet. THats also not the same thing as venting 'outside' as
>>> in outdoors as was indicated by the thread?
>>
>> Feel free to investigate the next time you use you oven. There will be a
>> vent somewhere that allows heat to escape from the oven. Stoves with
>> electric coil burners usually vent through one of the element pots.
>> Glass tops often have a grill on the the console. The claim was that
>> ovens have to be vented outside in SC. All ovens are already vented into
>> the kitchen.
>
> That said, I'm pretty sure that code requires a gas cooktop or range
> to have additional ventilation to carry combustion gases to the
> outdoors. Electric cooktops or ranges can have those pitiful
> recirculating fans.
>
>

I found code for VA that says that range hoods must be vented outside,
but nothing to say that hoods are required in private kitchens.