here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu

http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg

I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
is going on in there

it tasted just like it looks

what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.

http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 07:35:09 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
>http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
>I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>is going on in there

Isn't that roughly what you'd expect?

>it tasted just like it looks
>
>what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
>like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
>http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg

Very cryptic.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> is going on in there
>
> it tasted just like it looks
>
> what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg

Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.

I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:41:19 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> >
> > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> >
> > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> > is going on in there
> >
> > it tasted just like it looks
> >
> > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
> >
> > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>
> Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.
>
> I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.

I'd much rather slow my life down and enjoy my food. Once every 5 or 10
years is plenty of McDonald's for me.

Cindy Hamilton

tert in seattle wrote:
>
> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> is going on in there
>
> it tasted just like it looks

So you enjoyed it then?
I think any food would look wierd under a microscope or
magnifying glass. Shrink the picture and it looked good
to me. heheh
Hey, what do you expect for a dollar or so?

>
> what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg

Seriously, what was disturbing about the sign?
To me it obviously states free refills on drinks
while you are there eating inside.
And not to bring an empty cup with you on your next
visit for more free drinks.
An "all you care to drink" on a visit sounds like a
good deal to me. They didn't used to offer that.

oh well.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> >
> > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> >
> > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> > is going on in there
> >
> > it tasted just like it looks
> >
> > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
> >
> > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>
> Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.
>
> I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.

It's just different strokes for different folks. I rarely go to
McDonalds
but it's always a good treat for me when I do go there.
Remember my '40-hamburgers-at-a-time' story?
Ah, the good ol' days.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:40:04 AM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> is going on in there
>
> it tasted just like it looks
>
> what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg



Remember BBF?

On 2/26/2017 2:35 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> is going on in there
>
> it tasted just like it looks

Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
in town, but it cot $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
for". Cheap and fast.


>
> what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>
Why does that disturb you? People will save their cups and come back
again for a free soda. Happens more than you think so it is prudent to
make people aware of the rules if they are confronted. Same thing
happens with coffee shops too. Customers also steal the ketchup packets,
napkins, s&p shakers. I know of one guy that went to Arby's and took
his empty soda cup and filled it with bbq sauce when he left.

On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> ike substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>>
>> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>>
> Why does that disturb you? People will save their cups and come back
> again for a free soda. Happens more than you think so it is prudent to
> make people aware of the rules if they are confronted. Same thing
> happens with coffee shops too. Customers also steal the ketchup packets,
> napkins, s&p shakers. I know of one guy that went to Arby's and took
> his empty soda cup and filled it with bbq sauce when he left.
>
It's stealing, plain and simple.

Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
(free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.

Jill

On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
> I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
> several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
> (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
> food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
> amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.


That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
the ended up kicking her out.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 07:35:09 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
>http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
>I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>is going on in there
>
>it tasted just like it looks
>
>what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
>like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
>http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>

??? shrug It's no different than any business of its kind. On the
good side, I haven't heard any stories about McDs insisting employees
clock out and sit in their cars during slow times, or the mega owner
screwing over employees for pay and overtimes while building himself a
Disney like mansion/playground.` You could always go to Chick Filet
(?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
employees.
Janet US

On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
>> I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
>> several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
>> (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
>> food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
>> amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.
>
>
> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> the ended up kicking her out.
>
>
Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
> > I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
> > several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
> > (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
> > food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
> > amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.
>
> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> the ended up kicking her out.

That's odd. Would think that as long as she buys something there, it
wouldn't be a problem.

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> You could always go to Chick Filet
> (?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
> employees.

I suspect that Chick Filet has better sandwiches.
Probably costs more than a dollar though.

Let's not talk about screwing their employees.
It's a minimum wage job never meant for education losers
trying to support a family. It's for single people.

On 2017-02-26 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
>> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
>> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
>> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
>> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
>> the ended up kicking her out.
>>
>>
> Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
> kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
> doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
> employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.
>

It's not like she is holding a grudge. She told them she would have
bought their coffee if it tasted better. Back then their coffee was
horrible.

It usually surprises me that some places allow outside food. It happens
sometimes at the Tim Hortons stores around here. There are a few of them
near high schools and they come at lunch time. Some buy lunch, some buy
drinks and bring their lunch, and some just bring a lunch and sit with
their friends. I guess it is up to the store to decide if it is worth
alienating customers.

Our corner bakery/coffee shop has free wifi and there are several people
who really take advantage of that. There are two women in particular
who seem to telecommute and spend half the day in there, each one taking
a table for for, have laptops plugged into the wall sockets and are on
their cell phones. I have a hard enough time being patient when I am
subjected to loud one sided cell phone conversations, and I find it even
worse when they are business calls. They don't even restrict their table
hogging to off hours. One of them is pretty much guaranteed to be there
are lunch time, no matter how busy the place is.

The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
me, I would be changing the WiFi code.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:05:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:41:19 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> > > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> > >
> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> > >
> > > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> > > is going on in there
> > >
> > > it tasted just like it looks
> > >
> > > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> > > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc..
> > >
> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
> >
> > Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.
> >
> > I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.
>
> I'd much rather slow my life down and enjoy my food. Once every 5 or 10
> years is plenty of McDonald's for me.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We're eating at that place more often these days and will be doing so for the near future. We have more important issues to attend to than eating on anything other than a maintenance level.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> >> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> >> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> >> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> >> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> >> the ended up kicking her out.
> >>
> >>
> > Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
> > kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
> > doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
> > employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.
> >
>
> It's not like she is holding a grudge. She told them she would have
> bought their coffee if it tasted better. Back then their coffee was
> horrible.
>
> It usually surprises me that some places allow outside food. It happens
> sometimes at the Tim Hortons stores around here. There are a few of them
> near high schools and they come at lunch time. Some buy lunch, some buy
> drinks and bring their lunch, and some just bring a lunch and sit with
> their friends. I guess it is up to the store to decide if it is worth
> alienating customers.
>
> Our corner bakery/coffee shop has free wifi and there are several people
> who really take advantage of that. There are two women in particular
> who seem to telecommute and spend half the day in there, each one taking
> a table for for, have laptops plugged into the wall sockets and are on
> their cell phones. I have a hard enough time being patient when I am
> subjected to loud one sided cell phone conversations, and I find it even
> worse when they are business calls. They don't even restrict their table
> hogging to off hours. One of them is pretty much guaranteed to be there
> are lunch time, no matter how busy the place is.
>
> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.

These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
wifi.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:46:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:05:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:41:19 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
>> > > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>> > >
>> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>> > >
>> > > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>> > > is going on in there
>> > >
>> > > it tasted just like it looks
>> > >
>> > > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
>> > > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>> > >
>> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>> >
>> > Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.
>> >
>> > I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.
>>
>> I'd much rather slow my life down and enjoy my food. Once every 5 or 10
>> years is plenty of McDonald's for me.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>We're eating at that place more often these days and will be doing so for the near future. We have more important issues to attend to than eating on anything other than a maintenance level.

That sounds very sad.

On 2017-02-26 12:05 PM, Gary wrote:

>> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
>> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
>> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
>> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
>> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
>> the ended up kicking her out.
>
> That's odd. Would think that as long as she buys something there, it
> wouldn't be a problem.
>

That is the way she thought they should look at it. They were selling
her the eggs. She was bringing better coffee than McD sells. They ended
up selling her nothing. FWIW. even back then I questioned her about
eating McD's food. I had sworn off it years earlier. I had only had it a
few times and it was never a positive experience for me, but she said
the scrambled eggs were good.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:58:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
>> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
>> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
>
>These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

I'm guessing that, soon, you'll call McDonalds, tell them you want to
come over and they'll send a self-driving Google car to pick you up.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:18:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:46:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:05:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:41:19 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> > > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> >> > >
> >> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> >> > >
> >> > > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> >> > > is going on in there
> >> > >
> >> > > it tasted just like it looks
> >> > >
> >> > > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> >> > > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
> >> > >
> >> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to happen.
> >> >
> >> > I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway. It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.
> >>
> >> I'd much rather slow my life down and enjoy my food. Once every 5 or 10
> >> years is plenty of McDonald's for me.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >We're eating at that place more often these days and will be doing so for the near future. We have more important issues to attend to than eating on anything other than a maintenance level.
>
> That sounds very sad.

It is a sad situation but nothing can be done about it.

On 2/26/2017 1:03 PM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.
>
> I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
> wifi.
>
"Customers" being the operative word. You should not be able to just
plop yourself down in a restaurant, etc. with your wireless device and
not order anything.

Jill

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:05:39 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>
>> You could always go to Chick Filet
>> (?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
>> employees.
>
>I suspect that Chick Filet has better sandwiches.
>Probably costs more than a dollar though.
>
>Let's not talk about screwing their employees.
>It's a minimum wage job never meant for education losers
>trying to support a family. It's for single people.

your tiny mind never disappoints me

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:04:56 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.
>
> I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
> wifi.

I can see where WiFi will start to compete with the cellular networks. It is quite the security challenge though.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:58:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
> >> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
> >> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
> >
> >These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.
>
> I'm guessing that, soon, you'll call McDonalds, tell them you want to
> come over and they'll send a self-driving Google car to pick you up.

I predict that you nailed that guess. :-D

On 2017-02-26 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to
>> decide whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up.
>> If it were me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
>
> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I
> think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this
> service for their customers.
>

There are pros and cons to having it. Some people expect it. Businesses
use it to attract customers, and if they use it wisely, extract some
information from it. If I were running a coffee shop I would have to
consider it carefully. I would not want all my tables for four or more
people taken up by single people using it as a desk to do their
business. I might try to limit the signal to an area with a bar or
smaller tables. I would also require a log in and set a time limit.
People in a coffee shop should not need more than 15-20 minutes to
drink their coffee and eat their food. Save the table spaces for paying
customers.

I gave the example of a woman who abuses the wifi at the local place.
She is there every day for several hours, even at lunch time when it is
busy. She takes up a table for four while groups of 2-3 have no where to
sit. She has a coffee or two while she is there. Meanwhile, there could
have been 4 or 5 parties of 2 or more using that table.

One of the reasons I seldom go into Starbucks in this area is because
there is typically nowhere to sit. Every table is taken, usually by a
single person with a laptop. It has happened so many times that I don't
even bother anymore. I might stop by if passing one, but I certainly
don't go out of my way to go to one.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 2/26/2017 1:03 PM, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.
> >
> > I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
> > wifi.
> >
> "Customers" being the operative word. You should not be able to just
> plop yourself down in a restaurant, etc. with your wireless device and
> not order anything.
>
> Jill

Are you nuts? HAve no clue? The places don't all of the sudden turn on
wifi once you pay. It's there for every customer. Hello Jill... Just
pull into the parking lot and you've got wifi. It's no big deal to them.
They all provide it. The occasional freeloader doesn't bother them. I've
actually never abused this but I have gone to several places, bought
something, then used their wifi out in the parking lot - that wifi
connection has no idea if I was a paying customer or not.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:37:44 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to
> >> decide whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up.
> >> If it were me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
> >
> > These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I
> > think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this
> > service for their customers.
> >
>
> There are pros and cons to having it. Some people expect it. Businesses
> use it to attract customers, and if they use it wisely, extract some
> information from it. If I were running a coffee shop I would have to
> consider it carefully. I would not want all my tables for four or more
> people taken up by single people using it as a desk to do their
> business. I might try to limit the signal to an area with a bar or
> smaller tables. I would also require a log in and set a time limit.
> People in a coffee shop should not need more than 15-20 minutes to
> drink their coffee and eat their food. Save the table spaces for paying
> customers.
>
> I gave the example of a woman who abuses the wifi at the local place.
> She is there every day for several hours, even at lunch time when it is
> busy. She takes up a table for four while groups of 2-3 have no where to
> sit. She has a coffee or two while she is there. Meanwhile, there could
> have been 4 or 5 parties of 2 or more using that table.
>
> One of the reasons I seldom go into Starbucks in this area is because
> there is typically nowhere to sit. Every table is taken, usually by a
> single person with a laptop. It has happened so many times that I don't
> even bother anymore. I might stop by if passing one, but I certainly
> don't go out of my way to go to one.

I have seen that in our Starbucks. Typically, these people will have the best seats in the joint. People like me will sit in the back or outside. I suspect that the ones with the best seats are also their best customers - regular/repeat customers.

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:05:39 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> >>
> >> You could always go to Chick Filet
> >> (?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
> >> employees.
> >
> >I suspect that Chick Filet has better sandwiches.
> >Probably costs more than a dollar though.
> >
> >Let's not talk about screwing their employees.
> >It's a minimum wage job never meant for education losers
> >trying to support a family. It's for single people.
>
> your tiny mind never disappoints me

My tiny mind? How about your liberal save the world tiny mind.
People with no education work at minimum wage jobs. Never meant
to support a family.

If you feel so bad about how they are abused with their minimum
wages and no benefits, just give each one you encounter a hefty
tip. Save the world and Give me a break.

On 2017-02-26 1:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/26/2017 1:03 PM, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I
>>> think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this
>>> service for their customers.
>>
>> I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
>> wifi.
>>
> "Customers" being the operative word. You should not be able to just
> plop yourself down in a restaurant, etc. with your wireless device and
> not order anything.

Even if they order something there is a fair expectation that their
purchase is enough to pay for the time they occupy the table. It should
be a problem for someone to use the wifi to check email, to check news
updates, maybe do an quick online game. There are students who will sit
in a Starbucks and do their homework, write essays. Are there still
internet cafes to do things like that?

On 2017-02-26 1:50 PM, Gary wrote:

>> your tiny mind never disappoints me
>
> My tiny mind? How about your liberal save the world tiny mind.
> People with no education work at minimum wage jobs. Never meant
> to support a family.
>
> If you feel so bad about how they are abused with their minimum
> wages and no benefits, just give each one you encounter a hefty
> tip. Save the world and Give me a break.
>


There was a time when those minimum wage jobs were the part time
positions for students or mothers picking up a few hours while the kids
are at school, or menial jobs that required no brains and no skills.
Manufacturing jobs had left as our politicians and business man started
the race to the bottom.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:00:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 1:50 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >> your tiny mind never disappoints me
> >
> > My tiny mind? How about your liberal save the world tiny mind.
> > People with no education work at minimum wage jobs. Never meant
> > to support a family.
> >
> > If you feel so bad about how they are abused with their minimum
> > wages and no benefits, just give each one you encounter a hefty
> > tip. Save the world and Give me a break.
> >
>
>
> There was a time when those minimum wage jobs were the part time
> positions for students or mothers picking up a few hours while the kids
> are at school, or menial jobs that required no brains and no skills.
> Manufacturing jobs had left as our politicians and business man started
> the race to the bottom.

I suspect that we'll have manufacturing jobs returning to the states. The problem is that a lot of Americans won't want to work these jobs at the rates they pay. We're gonna need those illegals to work the lines.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 11:05:28 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:00:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-02-26 1:50 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>> >> your tiny mind never disappoints me
>> >
>> > My tiny mind? How about your liberal save the world tiny mind.
>> > People with no education work at minimum wage jobs. Never meant
>> > to support a family.
>> >
>> > If you feel so bad about how they are abused with their minimum
>> > wages and no benefits, just give each one you encounter a hefty
>> > tip. Save the world and Give me a break.
>> >
>>
>>
>> There was a time when those minimum wage jobs were the part time
>> positions for students or mothers picking up a few hours while the kids
>> are at school, or menial jobs that required no brains and no skills.
>> Manufacturing jobs had left as our politicians and business man started
>> the race to the bottom.
>
>I suspect that we'll have manufacturing jobs returning to the states. The problem is that a lot of Americans won't want to work these jobs at the rates they pay. We're gonna need those illegals to work the lines.

If manufacturing comes back to western countries, the products will
became a lot more expensive. The same people who now complain about
those jobs disappearing, won't be buying those expensive products.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:10:02 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 11:05:28 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi10yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:00:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2017-02-26 1:50 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>
> >> >> your tiny mind never disappoints me
> >> >
> >> > My tiny mind? How about your liberal save the world tiny mind.
> >> > People with no education work at minimum wage jobs. Never meant
> >> > to support a family.
> >> >
> >> > If you feel so bad about how they are abused with their minimum
> >> > wages and no benefits, just give each one you encounter a hefty
> >> > tip. Save the world and Give me a break.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> There was a time when those minimum wage jobs were the part time
> >> positions for students or mothers picking up a few hours while the kids
> >> are at school, or menial jobs that required no brains and no skills.
> >> Manufacturing jobs had left as our politicians and business man started
> >> the race to the bottom.
> >
> >I suspect that we'll have manufacturing jobs returning to the states. The problem is that a lot of Americans won't want to work these jobs at the rates they pay. We're gonna need those illegals to work the lines.
>
> If manufacturing comes back to western countries, the products will
> became a lot more expensive. The same people who now complain about
> those jobs disappearing, won't be buying those expensive products.

Probably.

On 2/26/2017 1:35 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:05:39 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>
>>> You could always go to Chick Filet
>>> (?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
>>> employees.
>>
>> I suspect that Chick Filet has better sandwiches.
>> Probably costs more than a dollar though.
>>
>> Let's not talk about screwing their employees.
>> It's a minimum wage job never meant for education losers
>> trying to support a family. It's for single people.
>
> your tiny mind never disappoints me
>

Raising the minimum wage just creates inflation. Our state went up in
January and the local McD raised prices by 20 cents a sandwich. Raise
the wage and price too much and there will be no customers to support it.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:53:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/26/2017 1:35 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:05:39 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You could always go to Chick Filet
>>>> (?) and try their sandwich -- that's another place that screws
>>>> employees.
>>>
>>> I suspect that Chick Filet has better sandwiches.
>>> Probably costs more than a dollar though.
>>>
>>> Let's not talk about screwing their employees.
>>> It's a minimum wage job never meant for education losers
>>> trying to support a family. It's for single people.
>>
>> your tiny mind never disappoints me
>>
>
>Raising the minimum wage just creates inflation. Our state went up in
>January and the local McD raised prices by 20 cents a sandwich. Raise
>the wage and price too much and there will be no customers to support it.

I'd pay 20 cents more if it meant fairer wages. I mean, 20 cents...
would you bend over to pick it up on the street?

On 2/26/2017 1:45 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> I have seen that in our Starbucks. Typically, these people will have the best seats in the joint. People like me will sit in the back or outside. I suspect that the ones with the best seats are also their best customers - regular/repeat customers.
>

Regular and repeat yes. But do they spend enough? I was in a Panera
Bread once and it was a busy time. A couple of tables were taken up by
the regulars and their laptops. With a shortage of seats, I left. The
regular probably bought a $2 coffee whereas I would have bought a $20
lunch for my wife and me and freed up the table for another right after.
If the place had plenty of seats open, the campers can stay as long as
they want. .

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>> is going on in there it tasted just like it looks.

It looks disgusting, why would a normal brained person buy such
crap...

>Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
>in town, but it cost $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
>for". Cheap and fast.

For $8 I'd much rather buy 4 pounds of skinless boneless chicken
breasts, cook them myself and feed four hungry people... and know
what/who we're eating. Were I in a hurry and didn't feel like cooking
just about every stupidmarket sells whole rotisserie chickens for
$5... a much better deal than an $8 measly chicken sandwhich at a
restaurant in the high rent district plus you'd order some over priced
sides and bevrages and leave a tip, those two $8 chicken sandwiches
for two will cost you at least $40. I'd rather pick up a seven pound
roasting chicken for under $7 and at the same time roast a few spuds
to go with... fix a nice salad and with a couple decent drinkiepoos
I'd have two days great meals for two for say under $20.
Tonight's dinner is left overs from last night; ****ghetti n'
saw-seege w/homemade tomato sauce from the freezer. A good brand of
saw-seege (Gianelli) was on sale all last week so I stocked up with
ten 3 lb packages. Some major brand of pasta is always on sale,
Barilla was 99¢ a lb. Canned tomatoes are always on sale, in fact I
buy them by the case at BJs. I don't consider making a 16 qt pot of
sauce work... hardest labor is cranking the Swing-A-Way.
Sometimes I wonder where we're heading, wasn't twenty years ago pasta
cost 3 lb/$1, on sale 4 lbs/$1. I can remember when the local gin
mills served pasta and saw-seege to the regulars all they can eat for
free... draft beers were 5¢ and every 4th was on the house, you could
get a full belly and loaded for a buck.

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On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:18:51 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:46:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:05:46 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 4:41:19 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-10, tert in seattle
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> >> > >
> >> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> >> > >
> >> > > I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the
> >> > > hell
> >> > > is going on in there
> >> > >
> >> > > it tasted just like it looks
> >> > >
> >> > > what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious
> >> > > chicken
> >> > > like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD
> >> > > Inc.
> >> > >
> >> > > http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Your expectations were set too high. You should never allow that to
> >> > happen.
> >> >
> >> > I've been eating there a lot because it's cheap and fast. Just
> >> > thinking about eating there makes me queasy but we go there anyway.
> >> > It's like filling up gas at your usual gas station. Mostly you need
> >> > someplace to fill up that's convenient, reliable, and fast.
> >>
> >> I'd much rather slow my life down and enjoy my food. Once every 5 or
> >> 10
> >> years is plenty of McDonald's for me.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >We're eating at that place more often these days and will be doing so for
> >the near future. We have more important issues to attend to than eating
> >on anything other than a maintenance level.
>
> That sounds very sad.

It is a sad situation but nothing can be done about it.
=====

I am sorry. I am thinking of you.



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