On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:02:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 10:44:52 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:27:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:39:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 11:26:58 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:17:08 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:02:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2017-03-05 12:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 6:39:53 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> In article >,
> > > > > > > > >> dsi1yahoo.com says...
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 3/4/2017 8:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 3:19:59 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> as DSL said "Electrical wiring and water pipes have been around since
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> BEFORE THE VICTORIOAN AGE"
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Victoria was born in 1819 and reigned from 1837.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Indeed I did say that. I also said the arc light was invented before Victoria was born. I stand by those words, of course. I always stand by my words. Do you?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> For the arc light to be more than a curiousity, proper electrical wiring
> > > > > > > > >>>> would have been necessary.
> > > > > > > > >>>> That did not exist when Davy came up with the arc lamp..
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Gold and other metal wires have been around for thousands of years.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> But not conducting electricity.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> You've lost so much face your own mother wouldn't recognise you.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Janet UK
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Most any metal wire would conduct electricity. In order to make an arc lamp or any electrical circuit, a conductor would have to be used. If you're implying that they did not, what did they use? Alien technology? Super-conductors? Lasers? This whole conduction thing goes against common sense.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You said that wiring and water pipes were around since before the
> > > > > > > > Victorian era. You should not that the arc light invented in 1802 was
> > > > > > > > hired to a battery. If there was wiring in the building he probably
> > > > > > > > would have used that. My house, like all the others around, is wired for
> > > > > > > > electricity. If I had no wiring in the walls and a connection to
> > > > > > > > generated electrical supply, only a sort of device connected to a
> > > > > > > > battery by a short wire, I could not say that it is wired. The first
> > > > > > > > viable generating stations and distribution networks were not
> > > > > > > > implemented until the 1880s.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I won't be constrained by your narrow definition of electrical wiring. As it goes batteries and wire used to conduct electricity may go back a couple of thousand years. I also won't be discussing this matter with people that have no idea what an arc light is since I can only afford to spend my time in intelligent discussion. I especially won't carry this on with a person that speaks with authority on things he knows little about and is quick to call someone he disagrees with a "liar."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or you could just acknowledge when you are wrong. Many people are capable
> > > > > > of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, I'll call your bluff. What part do you consider wrong?
> > > >
> > > > Although wire existed before the Victorian age, wiring did not
> > > > come into buildings until during the Victorian age.
> > > >
> > > > If you can provide a citation that proves otherwise, I am willing
> > > > to admit that I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > You're implying (but unwilling to state) that I said electricity was available in pre-Victorian homes. I said that electrical wire and water pipes were around before Victoria was born. Actually, they existed long before the 1800's.
> >
> > Here's exactly what you said:
> >
> > >Electrical and plumbing work sounds like a pretty good gig. >Electrical wiring and water pipes have been around since before the >Victorian age.
> >
> > "Electrical wiring", not "electrical wire".
> >
> > Wiring: a system of wires providing electric circuits for a device or building.
> >
> > Wi metal drawn out into the form of a thin flexible thread or rod.
> >
> > Where is the pre-Victorian "system of wires". If you can show
> > me evidence, I will be more than happy to say "You were right
> > and I was wrong".
> >
> > Especially troublesome is your interest in being an electrician
> > and the concept of "pre-Victorian wiring".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Obviously, I didn't mean nor did I say that pre-Victorian houses had electric service. That's a silly notion. The electric light bulb wasn't invented yet. Silly goose.

I give up. You're losing face by persisting in your
Sheldon-esque, Kuthe-like persistence.

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1 wrote:
>
> You're implying (but unwilling to state) that I said electricity was available in pre-Victorian homes. I said that electrical wire and water pipes were around before Victoria was born. Actually, they existed long before the 1800's.

I'm impressed. You're fighting two battles here at one time. One about
old wiring and the other about union stuff. When people here start
picking on me about an issue, I'll state my point then just quit
writing. They might think I've run away from the argument. Maybe I do.
But I'm not here to argue with people with issues.

I say what I have to say then just let it go.

Hope your wife is doing better.

On 3/6/2017 4:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 09:53:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Once I get my Masters in 4th century Greek sculpture I'll surely find a
>> good job. Its what I want to do.
>
> That oughta be easy considering there was practically no sculpturing
> in Greece in the 4th century. I'm pretty sure the Romans were busy
> chiseling off the penises of Greek statues around this time.
>
> -sw
>

Enough to write a book. I'd have written the book but it was already
done so I'm still bagging at the supermarket waiting for my big break
https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0405.htm

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi10yahoo.com says...
> >
> > Obviously, I didn't mean nor did I say that pre-Victorian houses had electric service.
> That's a silly notion. The electric light bulb wasn't invented yet.
> Silly goose.
> >
>
> You said
>
> "Electrical and plumbing work sounds like a pretty good gig. Electrical
> wiring and water pipes have been around since before the Victorian age"
>
> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
> good gig since before the Victorian age.
>
> Janet UK

I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done since the beginning. That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:25:33 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:02:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 10:44:52 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:27:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:39:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 11:26:58 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 4:17:08 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:02:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2017-03-05 12:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 6:39:53 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> In article >,
> > > > > > > > > >> dsi1yahoo.com says...
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 3/4/2017 8:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 3:19:59 PM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> as DSL said "Electrical wiring and water pipes have been around since
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> BEFORE THE VICTORIOAN AGE"
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Victoria was born in 1819 and reigned from 1837.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Indeed I did say that. I also said the arc light was invented before Victoria was born. I stand by those words, of course. I always stand by my words. Do you?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> For the arc light to be more than a curiousity, proper electrical wiring
> > > > > > > > > >>>> would have been necessary.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> That did not exist when Davy came up with the arc lamp.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Gold and other metal wires have been around for thousands of years.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> But not conducting electricity.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> You've lost so much face your own mother wouldn't recognise you.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Janet UK
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Most any metal wire would conduct electricity. In order to make an arc lamp or any electrical circuit, a conductor would have to be used. If you're implying that they did not, what did they use? Alien technology? Super-conductors? Lasers? This whole conduction thing goes against common sense.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You said that wiring and water pipes were around since before the
> > > > > > > > > Victorian era. You should not that the arc light invented in 1802 was
> > > > > > > > > hired to a battery. If there was wiring in the building he probably
> > > > > > > > > would have used that. My house, like all the others around, is wired for
> > > > > > > > > electricity. If I had no wiring in the walls and a connection to
> > > > > > > > > generated electrical supply, only a sort of device connected to a
> > > > > > > > > battery by a short wire, I could not say that it is wired.. The first
> > > > > > > > > viable generating stations and distribution networks were not
> > > > > > > > > implemented until the 1880s.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I won't be constrained by your narrow definition of electrical wiring. As it goes batteries and wire used to conduct electricity may go back a couple of thousand years. I also won't be discussing this matter with people that have no idea what an arc light is since I can only afford to spend my time in intelligent discussion. I especially won't carry this on with a person that speaks with authority on things he knows little about and is quick to call someone he disagrees with a "liar."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or you could just acknowledge when you are wrong. Many people are capable
> > > > > > > of it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I'll call your bluff. What part do you consider wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > Although wire existed before the Victorian age, wiring did not
> > > > > come into buildings until during the Victorian age.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can provide a citation that proves otherwise, I am willing
> > > > > to admit that I am wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > You're implying (but unwilling to state) that I said electricity was available in pre-Victorian homes. I said that electrical wire and water pipes were around before Victoria was born. Actually, they existed long before the 1800's.
> > >
> > > Here's exactly what you said:
> > >
> > > >Electrical and plumbing work sounds like a pretty good gig. >Electrical wiring and water pipes have been around since before the >Victorian age..
> > >
> > > "Electrical wiring", not "electrical wire".
> > >
> > > Wiring: a system of wires providing electric circuits for a device or building.
> > >
> > > Wi metal drawn out into the form of a thin flexible thread or rod..
> > >
> > > Where is the pre-Victorian "system of wires". If you can show
> > > me evidence, I will be more than happy to say "You were right
> > > and I was wrong".
> > >
> > > Especially troublesome is your interest in being an electrician
> > > and the concept of "pre-Victorian wiring".
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Obviously, I didn't mean nor did I say that pre-Victorian houses had electric service. That's a silly notion. The electric light bulb wasn't invented yet. Silly goose.
>
> I give up. You're losing face by persisting in your
> Sheldon-esque, Kuthe-like persistence.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Beats the heck out of me why you're so heavily invested in what I think, post, and believe. Yoose guys are free to believe whatever you want - what's it to me? Nutting.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:55:12 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > You're implying (but unwilling to state) that I said electricity was available in pre-Victorian homes. I said that electrical wire and water pipes were around before Victoria was born. Actually, they existed long before the 1800's.
>
> I'm impressed. You're fighting two battles here at one time. One about
> old wiring and the other about union stuff. When people here start
> picking on me about an issue, I'll state my point then just quit
> writing. They might think I've run away from the argument. Maybe I do.
> But I'm not here to argue with people with issues.
>
> I say what I have to say then just let it go.
>
> Hope your wife is doing better.

I am quite an impressive guy.

One of these days, I'm gonna strangle that doctor. Ha ha?

On 3/7/2017 2:45 AM, Sqwertz wrote:


> Some historians would argue semantics that there
> really wasn't even a "Greece" (or Greeks) in the 4th century as it was
> part of the Roman and Byzantine empires at that time.
>
> I wonder if they had hot dogs and pizza in the 4th centuries?
>
> -sw
>

A Roman and Greek were arguing about who invented various cultural
aspects first. Finally, the Greek said "we invented sex" and the Roman
replied "yes, but we invited women."

On 2017-03-06 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:

>> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
>> good gig since before the Victorian age.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You
> could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point
> was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity
> and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done
> since the beginning.

From the beginning of what?




>That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred
> years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the
> foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.

If we had to trace the history of the electrical trades, what would be
the starting date?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 3/7/2017 2:45 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > Some historians would argue semantics that there
> > really wasn't even a "Greece" (or Greeks) in the 4th century as it was
> > part of the Roman and Byzantine empires at that time.
> >
> > I wonder if they had hot dogs and pizza in the 4th centuries?
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> A Roman and Greek were arguing about who invented various cultural
> aspects first. Finally, the Greek said "we invented sex" and the Roman
> replied "yes, but we invited women."

lol

On 3/7/2017 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-06 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>
>>> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
>>> good gig since before the Victorian age.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You
>> could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point
>> was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity
>> and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done
>> since the beginning.
>
> From the beginning of what?
>
>
>
>
>> That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred
>> years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the
>> foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.
>
> If we had to trace the history of the electrical trades, what would be
> the starting date?
>

Does lightening count?

On 2017-03-07 10:14 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/7/2017 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-03-06 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
>>>> good gig since before the Victorian age.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You
>>> could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point
>>> was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity
>>> and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done
>>> since the beginning.
>>
>> From the beginning of what?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred
>>> years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the
>>> foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.
>>
>> If we had to trace the history of the electrical trades, what would be
>> the starting date?
>>
>
> Does lightening count?


Benjamin Franklin was our first electrical foreman, or does the credit
go to the ancient Greeks who discovered static electricity?

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:21:13 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-06 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
>
> >> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
> >> good gig since before the Victorian age.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >
> > I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You
> > could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point
> > was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity
> > and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done
> > since the beginning.
>
> From the beginning of what?
>
>
>
>
> >That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred
> > years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the
> > foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.
>
> If we had to trace the history of the electrical trades, what would be
> the starting date?

Around the mid-1850's. That's just a guess. What date do you have?

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 5:44:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-03-07 10:14 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 3/7/2017 9:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2017-03-06 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:53:25 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> >>
> >>>> So you clearly implied that electricians' wiring work was a pretty
> >>>> good gig since before the Victorian age.
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>> I clearly did not. Don't make connections that are not there. You
> >>> could have asked for clarification but you blew your chance. My point
> >>> was that even in this day an age, we still need to have electricity
> >>> and water connected to our house it the same way that it was done
> >>> since the beginning.
> >>
> >> From the beginning of what?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> That is remarkable. A hundred or two hundred
> >>> years from now, we'll still be using electric wire and pipe. For the
> >>> foreseeable future i.e., the electrician will have a steady job.
> >>
> >> If we had to trace the history of the electrical trades, what would be
> >> the starting date?
> >>
> >
> > Does lightening count?
>
>
> Benjamin Franklin was our first electrical foreman, or does the credit
> go to the ancient Greeks who discovered static electricity?

The first scientist to study conduction was Stephen Gray but people may have utilized electricity 2000 years before that.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/my...ent-batteries/

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:43:54 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/2017 4:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 09:53:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once I get my Masters in 4th century Greek sculpture I'll surely find a
>>>> good job. Its what I want to do.
>>>
>>> That oughta be easy considering there was practically no sculpturing
>>> in Greece in the 4th century. I'm pretty sure the Romans were busy
>>> chiseling off the penises of Greek statues around this time.
>>
>> Enough to write a book. I'd have written the book but it was already
>> done so I'm still bagging at the supermarket waiting for my big break
>> https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0405.htm
>
> That book is about a different "4th Century". That book details
> sculptors that were 700 years earlier than the 4th Century. The title
> of that book is incorrect.
>
> When you write "4th century" without qualifying it with either BC or
> AD, it defaults to 4th century *AD*. The "4th century *BC*" was the
> most notable century for Greek sculpture, not the "4th century" which
> was 700 years later. Some historians would argue semantics that there
> really wasn't even a "Greece" (or Greeks) in the 4th century as it was
> part of the Roman and Byzantine empires at that time.
>
> I wonder if they had hot dogs and pizza in the 4th centuries?
>
> -sw

if you're going to be pedantic please use BCE and CE

On 2017-03-08 4:15 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:43:54 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 4:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 09:53:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Once I get my Masters in 4th century Greek sculpture I'll surely find a
>>>>> good job. Its what I want to do.
>>>>
>>>> That oughta be easy considering there was practically no sculpturing
>>>> in Greece in the 4th century. I'm pretty sure the Romans were busy
>>>> chiseling off the penises of Greek statues around this time.
>>>
>>> Enough to write a book. I'd have written the book but it was already
>>> done so I'm still bagging at the supermarket waiting for my big break
>>> https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0405.htm
>>
>> That book is about a different "4th Century". That book details
>> sculptors that were 700 years earlier than the 4th Century. The title
>> of that book is incorrect.
>>
>> When you write "4th century" without qualifying it with either BC or
>> AD, it defaults to 4th century *AD*. The "4th century *BC*" was the
>> most notable century for Greek sculpture, not the "4th century" which
>> was 700 years later. Some historians would argue semantics that there
>> really wasn't even a "Greece" (or Greeks) in the 4th century as it was
>> part of the Roman and Byzantine empires at that time.
>>
>> I wonder if they had hot dogs and pizza in the 4th centuries?
>>
>> -sw
>
> if you're going to be pedantic please use BCE and CE
>
>
Or BC and AD if you are not worried about political correctness:-)

graham wrote:
> On 2017-03-08 4:15 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:43:54 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/6/2017 4:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 09:53:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Once I get my Masters in 4th century Greek sculpture I'll surely find a
>>>>>> good job. Its what I want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> That oughta be easy considering there was practically no sculpturing
>>>>> in Greece in the 4th century. I'm pretty sure the Romans were busy
>>>>> chiseling off the penises of Greek statues around this time.
>>>>
>>>> Enough to write a book. I'd have written the book but it was already
>>>> done so I'm still bagging at the supermarket waiting for my big break
>>>> https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0405.htm
>>>
>>> That book is about a different "4th Century". That book details
>>> sculptors that were 700 years earlier than the 4th Century. The title
>>> of that book is incorrect.
>>>
>>> When you write "4th century" without qualifying it with either BC or
>>> AD, it defaults to 4th century *AD*. The "4th century *BC*" was the
>>> most notable century for Greek sculpture, not the "4th century" which
>>> was 700 years later. Some historians would argue semantics that there
>>> really wasn't even a "Greece" (or Greeks) in the 4th century as it was
>>> part of the Roman and Byzantine empires at that time.
>>>
>>> I wonder if they had hot dogs and pizza in the 4th centuries?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> if you're going to be pedantic please use BCE and CE
>>
>>
> Or BC and AD if you are not worried about political correctness:-)

anyone who discusses ancient history competently, especially
professionally, uses BCE/CE

of course, political correctness is what motivates all of them

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 5:38:45 AM UTC-10, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 2:35:00 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > Subject: I went to McDonalds
> > > From: Cindy Hamilton >
> > > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > >
> > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 8:18:58 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:10:52 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 2/27/2017 11:30 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Why a car? When I first started out, I had roommates and no car. I
> > > > >>> took the bus or hoofed it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why not a car? We're talking about someone who has a full-time job.
> > > > >> They should be able to afford a basic car.
> > > > >>
> > > > >Depends on where you live. In the city it is easy to catch a bus but
> > > > >very expensive to keep a car. In Boston or New York you can pay more
> > > > >for a parking space than a two bedroom apartment in the suburbs.
> > > >
> > > > Would parking be paid where the flipper lives? And when at work (s)he
> > > > can park at the parking lot of the fast food joint.
> > > >
> > > > >> The US has always had a problem with giving its people affordable
> > > > >> healthcare. I don't know why this is so hard.
> > > > >>
> > > > >Simple actually. The people that make the decisions and laws about
> > > > >healthcare are middle to upper income and have good coverage. They
> > > > >don't see the need to fix things for others, nor are they willing to pay
> > > > >towards it.
> > > >
> > > > In other western countries, a politician who doesn't want to give
> > > > everybody affordable healthcare, won't be elected. The US is also a
> > > > democracy.
> > >
> > > Voters don't want to pay for it. We are not required to vote.
> > > Millions of people who would benefit from affordable healthcare
> > > simply do not bother to vote, or vote against their own self-interest
> > > because they have taken the populist bait that the most important
> > > thing in America is that the "other" in our society are scary and
> > > we must thwart them.
> > >
> > :-( To outsiders, it's just incredible to watch Trump manipulating
> > that scare-bait over and over again, with such success.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
> >
> > Janet.
>
> This tactic was used to great effect in Europe. It's now America's turn. People should be alarmed at a guy that whose first order of business is to take down the poorest and weakest members our society. Unfortunately, people are stupid. That's the breaks.

Unfortunately, people are still stupid and things are progressing as I have foreseen. And the beat goes on.

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