I went to see the Chinese New Year parade in San Francisco yesterday
and I was appalled to see a McDonalds float. Not only that, but they
had set up a McDonalds tent in the vendor area, featuring cute little
Asian boys and girls along with the evil Ronald McDonald clown.

I absolutely despise McDonalds, I have been boycotting them for nearly
20 years. I've decided that people will buy moldy dog shit if you
market it heavily enough, and that is what McDonalds does. My insane
brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
to eat at McDonalds.

Asians currently have some of the highest life expectancies of any
ethnic group, widely believed to be a result of their diet. I've never
seen a fat Asian kid, and here the evil clown is encouraging them to
ingest lethal amounts of saturated fat.

Why was McDonalds allowed to participate in the parade? Every culture
has good and bad parts, and in this case the best aspect of Asian
culture is their food and it is being replaced by our worst aspect of
mass-market blandness. I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
American culture, and to try to impose it on Asians by brainwashing
their kiddies with a slant-eyed Ronald McDonald is just disgusting.

Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the
great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung! wrote:
> best aspect of Asian culture is their food

Subject to challenge but I won't rise to it.

> I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
> American culture

No argument from me.
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Icono Clast wrote:
> Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the
> great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung! wrote:
> > best aspect of Asian culture is their food
>
> Subject to challenge but I won't rise to it.

Ignoring all that history, art ,literature, etc.

>
> > I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
> > American culture
>
> No argument from me.

McD is American culture. American culture is an affront to the word
"culture".

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"PeterL" > wrote in message

> McD is American culture. American culture is an affront to the word
> "culture".

I'd say get into the 21st Century, but American culture has been THE culture
since, at least, the last half of the 20th Century. As for McD, I'm no fan,
but I've observed locals in foreign lands lining up to have some. Yet, no
matter, how hard I try, I can't believe I'm taking McD's for granted.

Ciccio

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:38:43 GMT, "Ciccio" >
wrote:

>I'd say get into the 21st Century, but American culture has been THE culture
>since, at least, the last half of the 20th Century. As for McD, I'm no fan,
>but I've observed locals in foreign lands lining up to have some. Yet, no
>matter, how hard I try, I can't believe I'm taking McD's for granted.

In most countries of the world, McDonalds is better and cheaper food
than they normally eat. Years ago, in an article on world hunger, The
Scientific American noted that what most Chinese in China really eat
every day is a bowl of rice and some pickled vegetables. If times are
good, about once a week, they get the equivalent of 2 strips of bacon.

The stuff we get in Chinese restaurants is what the richest of the
rich would eat in China and then, often only when the harvest is in.
The rest of the year, they eat much less well.

Times are much better now in China as they are making money hand over
fist manufacturing stuff for WalMart, Dell, Sony, etc. 90% of the toys
sold in the USA is made in China according to an article in the
Economist. Every PC sold in the USA is mostly made in China. However
in China, mass death by starvation is an event within the living
memory of many people.

China may be an extreme case but in most of Asia and Africa and even
Latin America, McDonalds is the equivalent of a 5 star restaurant. In
Europe, McDonalds biggest and most profitable operation is France. For
the average French working man, McDonalds is cheap and better than the
typical cheap French restaurant. France may be filled with fine
restaurants but most of them are out of the price range of the average
working Frenchman.

Danny
real e-mail address is

Danny Low > wrote:

>China may be an extreme case but in most of Asia and Africa and even
>Latin America, McDonalds is the equivalent of a 5 star restaurant. In
>Europe, McDonalds biggest and most profitable operation is France.

Really? Do you have a cite for that? I examined McDonalds 10K for 2004
(the latest available) and nowhere does it show a breakdown by
country. The only information that was country dependent was a vague
statement in the summary that Russia was fast growing, Germany was
disappointing, and that France and Britain compensated for Germany's
poor performance. No numbers.

> For
>the average French working man, McDonalds is cheap and better than the
>typical cheap French restaurant.

Nonsense. I've lived for eight years in France and eaten in everything
from 3-star Michelin restaurants to the humblest of cafe's in the
smallest villages. Unlike the US consumer, the French at all social
levels value their food and insist on high quality (and variety) at
all times. I was even in truck stop once when a trucker sent back his
"salade des legumes" because he felt that the quality was
unacceptable. No one batted an eye and the offending dish was
immediately replaced with a different one.

Doubtless McDonalds has made inroads into the young as it has in every
market. It remains to be seen if this can stick.

> France may be filled with fine
>restaurants but most of them are out of the price range of the average
>working Frenchman.

If most of them are out of the price range of the "average working
Frenchman" they must have few customers.

One of the first things you notice on arriving in the US is the
extortionate cost of restaurant eating in comparison to France. Sure,
there are the aforementioned 3-star establishments that will cost an
arm and a leg but they're a tiny minority; the vast mass of
restaurants are well within the price range of the average French
consumer. Further for lunch most corporations provide a cafeteria (and
if they don't they provide luncheon vouchers; I believe it's the law)
the food in which is easily comparable to that of the outside
restaurants and is sold at a derisory price.

"Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the great
leader Comrade Kim Il Sung!" > wrote:

> I went to see the Chinese New Year parade in San Francisco yesterday
> and I was appalled to see a McDonalds float. Not only that, but they
> had set up a McDonalds tent in the vendor area, featuring cute little
> Asian boys and girls along with the evil Ronald McDonald clown.
>


Would you have been happier if they'd been in blackface...???


> I absolutely despise McDonalds, I have been boycotting them for nearly
> 20 years. I've decided that people will buy moldy dog shit if you
> market it heavily enough, and that is what McDonalds does. My insane
> brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
> surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
> restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
> to eat at McDonalds.


BIG hairy deal...he didn't force YOU to eat there, did he!?


> Asians currently have some of the highest life expectancies of any
> ethnic group, widely believed to be a result of their diet. I've never
> seen a fat Asian kid, and here the evil clown is encouraging them to
> ingest lethal amounts of saturated fat.


Hey, while we're at it let's ban Spam so those Tongans, Samoans, and other
Pacific Islanders won't get so fat!


> Why was McDonalds allowed to participate in the parade? Every culture
> has good and bad parts, and in this case the best aspect of Asian
> culture is their food and it is being replaced by our worst aspect of
> mass-market blandness. I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
> American culture, and to try to impose it on Asians by brainwashing
> their kiddies with a slant-eyed Ronald McDonald is just disgusting.


Explain why France is McDo's largest and most profitable European market...

--
Best
Greg

> I've never seen a fat Asian kid,

You haven't lived in Hong Kong. Lots of fat people. Besides McDs and
Pizza Hut, there are also local fast food joints selling fried chicken
wings, hamburgers, fried fish balls etc. Fast food is everywhere, not
just under the Golden Arches.

Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the
great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung! wrote:
> My insane
> brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
> surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
> restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
> to eat at McDonalds.

I know someone who came up here and insisted at eating only at Denny's.

Fortunately, I was not a party to this, or I would have choked him.

>
> Asians currently have some of the highest life expectancies of any
> ethnic group, widely believed to be a result of their diet.

I had no idea sweet and sour pork was so good for you.

"Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the great
leader Comrade Kim Il Sung!" > wrote in message
t...
> I went to see the Chinese New Year parade in San Francisco yesterday
> and I was appalled to see a McDonalds float. Not only that, but they
> had set up a McDonalds tent in the vendor area, featuring cute little
> Asian boys and girls along with the evil Ronald McDonald clown.
>
> I absolutely despise McDonalds, I have been boycotting them for nearly
> 20 years. I've decided that people will buy moldy dog shit if you
> market it heavily enough, and that is what McDonalds does. My insane
> brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
> surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
> restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
> to eat at McDonalds.
>
> Asians currently have some of the highest life expectancies of any
> ethnic group, widely believed to be a result of their diet. I've never
> seen a fat Asian kid, and here the evil clown is encouraging them to
> ingest lethal amounts of saturated fat.
>
> Why was McDonalds allowed to participate in the parade? Every culture
> has good and bad parts, and in this case the best aspect of Asian
> culture is their food and it is being replaced by our worst aspect of
> mass-market blandness. I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
> American culture, and to try to impose it on Asians by brainwashing
> their kiddies with a slant-eyed Ronald McDonald is just disgusting.

I've been to Macdonalds in Hawaii, Japan and China.
Not once have I ever seen a "slant-eyed Ronald Mcdonald".
Leaving aside the Macdonalds issue, maybe you're just a racist ****tard.

First at all, I have no relationship with McDonalds and I eat at their
restaurants less than once in a year.

Still, I strongly disagree with you beating McDonalds to death.

What I'm heaing is, that you're worried about fat kids and adults. I
agree with you that it's a reason to worry. However I wouldn't blame
McDonalnds for that, only because the sell products that consumed
excessivly might make you sick and fat. If I'd apply your logic, the we
should blame all alcohol manufacturers becuase if you drink a lot you
might get sick.

Consider this:

* as long as McDonalds is not luring people to sign a 12-month
agreement
to eat at McDonalds only, I don't feel like they are forcing anyone
to eat
at their restaurants.

* I don't think, that eating at McDonalds is the unhealthies thing
you can do,
as long as the majority of your diet is healthy, you move enough,
you don't
smoke nor drink excessivly. As far as I'm concerned Coca Cola, of
which
McDonalds is only a reseller, is pumping their drinks into american
young
ones since their first day of school.

* Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is almost no sport at american
schools
and looking at many american kids I don't see them moving outside
of
school either. A significant health-risk to kids and adults.

* Fast food esp. french fries are being served around
the world at almost every food establishmet. If you think that
drinking Coke
and eating fries is healthier outside of a McDonalds restaurant,
then go ahead
eat french fries, drink coke a few times a day and don't move to
much for
30 days and you'll see that you can make it without McDonalds. I'd
suggest
you do it in front of a camera, so that people finally understand
that their
eating and living habits is what makes them sick and not McDonalds.
I'd guess
McDonalds reward your public effort.

* How about parental resposibility to teach their kids what to eat?

* Don't you think that tobacco companies aren't the evil, since
smokers
not only demage their health, but also of those sourrounding them?

The list goes on. So once again, why are you attacking McDonalds? Only
because they do more marketing then others? Well' we're living in a
"free world", so Burger King, Wendy's, KFC, you name it have the choice
to increase their marketing efforts. The bottom line is, that you, the
consumer have the choice. I'm sure that if people think more about what
they eat and drink and how they live and therefore eat less fast food
and drink, then I'm sure Coca Cola and McDonalds of the world are going
to do something about it. As long as the goverment, or whoever feels
responsible for the health of the citizen, doesn't show people the
right way to live, I guess nothing or very little will change, simply
becuase the majority of people don't care about what they eat or drink.
So I'd guess, that if McDonalds would rapidly change their menu to
"salads only", they might go out of business within a very short period
of time.

I hope that helps,

Mark

"Let us arm ourselves more firmly with the revolutionary idea of the great
leader Comrade Kim Il Sung!" > wrote in message
t...
>I went to see the Chinese New Year parade in San Francisco yesterday
> and I was appalled to see a McDonalds float. Not only that, but they
> had set up a McDonalds tent in the vendor area, featuring cute little
> Asian boys and girls along with the evil Ronald McDonald clown.
>
> I absolutely despise McDonalds, I have been boycotting them for nearly
> 20 years. I've decided that people will buy moldy dog shit if you
> market it heavily enough, and that is what McDonalds does. My insane
> brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
> surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
> restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
> to eat at McDonalds.
>
> Asians currently have some of the highest life expectancies of any
> ethnic group, widely believed to be a result of their diet. I've never
> seen a fat Asian kid, and here the evil clown is encouraging them to
> ingest lethal amounts of saturated fat.
>
> Why was McDonalds allowed to participate in the parade? Every culture
> has good and bad parts, and in this case the best aspect of Asian
> culture is their food and it is being replaced by our worst aspect of
> mass-market blandness. I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
> American culture, and to try to impose it on Asians by brainwashing
> their kiddies with a slant-eyed Ronald McDonald is just disgusting.
>
AT least McD doesn't serve dog meat.

wrote...
> AT least McD doesn't serve dog meat.

No, they use earthworms instead (it increases the protein content).

As much as I hate to defend McDs, they do have a lot going for them.
They are clean, reasonably priced and reliable. On a road trip, I know
the bathrooms will be acceptable - unlike Fred's Service Station next
door.

They aren't an affront to American culture, they are part of it - just
like corn on the cob, the NFL and Smith & Wesson - none of which are
inherently evil, they are just sometimes used to evil purposes.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:43:37 GMT, "Let us arm ourselves more firmly
with the revolutionary idea of the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung!"
> wrote:


>I absolutely despise McDonalds, I have been boycotting them for nearly
>20 years. I've decided that people will buy moldy dog shit if you
>market it heavily enough, and that is what McDonalds does. My insane
>brother came to visit me last year and we went to SF and despite being
>surrounded by a several thousand excellent and inexpensive Asian
>restaurants, he didn't want to eat at any of them, he absolutely had
>to eat at McDonalds.

>
>Why was McDonalds allowed to participate in the parade? Every culture
>has good and bad parts, and in this case the best aspect of Asian
>culture is their food and it is being replaced by our worst aspect of
>mass-market blandness. I consider McDonalds to be an affront to
>American culture, and to try to impose it on Asians by brainwashing
>their kiddies with a slant-eyed Ronald McDonald is just disgusting.