I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
thrift store. Tossed 'em all.

I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.

I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
job.

I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
side-cutting do-dads?

nb

On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
snippage
>I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
>related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
>problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
>side-cutting do-dads?
>
>nb
I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
off the lid.

Hope that helps
koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

koko wrote:
>
> On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> >electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> >both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> >I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> >Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> >thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> snippage
> >I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> >related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> >problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> >side-cutting do-dads?
> >
> >nb
> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
> https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
> The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
> on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
> off the lid.
>
> Hope that helps
> koko

If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
kind of can opener should I use. LOL@

On 2015-12-13 12:07 PM, Gary wrote:

>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>> https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
>> The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
>> on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
>> off the lid.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> koko
>
> If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
> kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>

Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
can expect not to be automatically rejected.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-12-13 12:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>> https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
>>> The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
>>> on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
>>> off the lid.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>> koko
>>
>> If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
>> kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>>
>
> Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
> think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
> can expect not to be automatically rejected.
>

I like:

https://www.oxo.com/products/prepari...dge-can-opener

"Abiquiu" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-12-13 12:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
>>>> The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
>>>> on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
>>>> off the lid.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps
>>>> koko
>>>
>>> If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
>>> kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>>>
>>
>> Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
>> think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
>> can expect not to be automatically rejected.
>>
>
> I like:
>
> https://www.oxo.com/products/prepari...dge-can-opener

But don't you get strings of glue?

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
> > kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
> >
>
> Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
> think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
> can expect not to be automatically rejected.

I found the question to be funny, yes. I talk to everyone here, even
you.

Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
>>> kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>>>
>>
>> Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
>> think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
>> can expect not to be automatically rejected.
>
> I found the question to be funny, yes. I talk to everyone here, even
> you.
>
Of course he is not a troll, so....

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
>> > kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>> >
>>
>> Kind of funny that you find it entertaining to feed trolls here but
>> think it funny when a legitimate participant looks for advice that we
>> can expect not to be automatically rejected.
>
> I found the question to be funny, yes. I talk to everyone here, even
> you.

LOL

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> koko wrote:
>>
>> On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>> >electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>> >both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>> >I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>> >Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>> >thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>> snippage
>> >I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
>> >related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
>> >problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
>> >side-cutting do-dads?
>> >
>> >nb
>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>> https://flic.kr/p/8vVNvj
>> The curved line on top lines up with the can so you are always spot
>> on. It also has a little "beak" on the side, just open it up and lift
>> off the lid.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> koko
>
> If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
> kind of can opener should I use. LOL@

Why? Pretty sure most everyone had things in cans. Even the chefs on TV
say that they sometimes use canned beans and probably most of us have canned
olives. And then there is pet food.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
> > kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>
> Why? Pretty sure most everyone had things in cans. Even the chefs on TV
> say that they sometimes use canned beans and probably most of us have canned
> olives. And then there is pet food.

My point there, Julie, was that we are all older here and to ask what
kind of a can opener should I use sounded like a funny question to me.
Good question for a 10-year old but old people here usually have that
answer figured out by now. Never hurts to ask for a different
"species" but it just struck me as funny at the moment.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:34:34 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>> > If you think about it....kind of funny that someone would ask what
>> > kind of can opener should I use. LOL@
>>
>> Why? Pretty sure most everyone had things in cans. Even the chefs on TV
>> say that they sometimes use canned beans and probably most of us have canned
>> olives. And then there is pet food.
>
>My point there, Julie, was that we are all older here and to ask what
>kind of a can opener should I use sounded like a funny question to me.
>Good question for a 10-year old but old people here usually have that
>answer figured out by now. Never hurts to ask for a different
>"species" but it just struck me as funny at the moment.

I'll respond as an older person. Twisting a lever in a vertical
motion (standard opener) is harder on my thumb than the horizontal
motion of a side can opener.
Janet US

On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:

> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.

> Hope that helps

Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>
>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>
>> Hope that helps
>
> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>
> nb
>

Nope, good stuff.

"Abiquiu" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>>
>> nb
>>
>
> Nope, good stuff.

I have found them to be good for a few years and then the handles break
down. I won't buy unless I can't find another brand and I find something
for cheap.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Abiquiu" > wrote in message
> ...
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>>
>>>> Hope that helps
>>>
>>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>>
>> Nope, good stuff.
>
> I have found them to be good for a few years and then the handles break
> down.

Never happened to me in over a decade of use.

> I won't buy unless I can't find another brand and I find
> something for cheap.

Zylis.

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>
> > I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>
> > Hope that helps
>
> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.

Like you say you've tried, I use a hand held swing-a-way opener. It's
over 30 years old and still works fine.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> notbob wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>> > I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>> > Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>
> Like you say you've tried, I use a hand held swing-a-way opener. It's
> over 30 years old and still works fine.

How did you prevent it from getting rusty?

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Like you say you've tried, I use a hand held swing-a-way opener. It's
> > over 30 years old and still works fine.
>
> How did you prevent it from getting rusty?

Nothing special that I can think of. Each time I use it, I rinse it
off, at least. Wash it completely when doing dish washing.
Occasionally use an old toothbrush to get into the works.

Whenever I use it, I set it out onto a dishrack to dry vs putting it
right into a drawer.

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>
> > I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>
> > Hope that helps
>
> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>

OXO is really hit or miss. I have a OXO potato peeler I like (blade
in line with handle) but you can keep most of the rest of the product
line.

wrote:
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>>
>
> OXO is really hit or miss. I have a OXO potato peeler I like (blade
> in line with handle) but you can keep most of the rest of the product
> line.
>
The reviews at large strongly disagree with you, they're among the 2
best for kitchen tools.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>> > I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>> > Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>>
>
> OXO is really hit or miss. I have a OXO potato peeler I like (blade
> in line with handle) but you can keep most of the rest of the product
> line.

I think my peelers are OXO. They are good but old.

On 12/13/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>>
>
> OXO is really hit or miss. I have a OXO potato peeler I like (blade
> in line with handle) but you can keep most of the rest of the product
> line.
>
I have some OXO tongs I like. That's about it.

Jill

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>
>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>
>> Hope that helps
>
> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.

I don't like that brand either.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2015-12-13, koko > wrote:
>>
>>> I use the side cutter and love it. I have the OXO brand.
>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thnx fer yer reply, but I won't buy OXO brand anything. Junk.
>
> I don't like that brand either.

It's one of the top 2, period.

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 5:35:29 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>
> I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
>
> I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> job.
>
> I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> side-cutting do-dads?
>
> nb

They ain't newfangled - I've been using side cutters for over 30 years. I originally got them because I wanted a cutter that allowed me to make metal containers with replaceable lids.

The trouble with regular can openers is that they allow too much play between the cutter and drive gear i.e., they're too flimsy.

My favorite side cutter is shaped like a whale - it's operated by turning the spout. It looks like a kid's toy but it's solidly built of ABS. I'm the only one in the house that knows how to use it. It works 100% of the time.

I don't know if you should use one or not. The problem with these openers is that the cutting wheel and pinch roller is hidden from view and some people may find them too difficult to use. A lot of folks try these openers and just give up - they don't want nuttin' to do with them. My wife hates my whale opener. That's the breaks.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 5:35:29 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>
> I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
>
> I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> job.
>
> I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> side-cutting do-dads?
>
> nb

They ain't newfangled - I've been using side cutters for over 30 years. I
originally got them because I wanted a cutter that allowed me to make metal
containers with replaceable lids.

The trouble with regular can openers is that they allow too much play
between the cutter and drive gear i.e., they're too flimsy.

My favorite side cutter is shaped like a whale - it's operated by turning
the spout. It looks like a kid's toy but it's solidly built of ABS. I'm the
only one in the house that knows how to use it. It works 100% of the time.

I don't know if you should use one or not. The problem with these openers is
that the cutting wheel and pinch roller is hidden from view and some people
may find them too difficult to use. A lot of folks try these openers and
just give up - they don't want nuttin' to do with them. My wife hates my
whale opener. That's the breaks.

---

I remember getting a side cutter in the 70's. Hated it. Was given one as a
gift more recently and hated it too. I did find them difficult to use but I
hated the strings of glue that they left behind. Would stick to my hand or
get in the food.

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 5:35:29 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> > electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> > both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> > I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> > Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> > thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> >
> > I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> > now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> > not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> > The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> > can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> > to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> > did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> > Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> > the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> > pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> > the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
> >
> > I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> > handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> > job.
> >
> > I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> > related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> > problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> > side-cutting do-dads?
> >
> > nb
>
> They ain't newfangled - I've been using side cutters for over 30 years. I
> originally got them because I wanted a cutter that allowed me to make metal
> containers with replaceable lids.
>
> The trouble with regular can openers is that they allow too much play
> between the cutter and drive gear i.e., they're too flimsy.
>
> My favorite side cutter is shaped like a whale - it's operated by turning
> the spout. It looks like a kid's toy but it's solidly built of ABS. I'm the
> only one in the house that knows how to use it. It works 100% of the time..
>
> I don't know if you should use one or not. The problem with these openers is
> that the cutting wheel and pinch roller is hidden from view and some people
> may find them too difficult to use. A lot of folks try these openers and
> just give up - they don't want nuttin' to do with them. My wife hates my
> whale opener. That's the breaks.
>
> ---
>
> I remember getting a side cutter in the 70's. Hated it. Was given one as a
> gift more recently and hated it too. I did find them difficult to use but I
> hated the strings of glue that they left behind. Would stick to my hand or
> get in the food.

My guess is that people that like tinkering will have an easier time with these openers because it helps to understand how these things work. An expertise in automobile mechanics helps a lot. My can opener uses an gear to set the cutting wheel. My recommendation is that people get the side cutter can opener with the lever action instead - those are easier to operate.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 5:35:29 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> > electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> > both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> > I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> > Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> > thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> >
> > I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> > now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> > not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> > The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> > can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> > to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> > did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> > Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> > the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> > pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> > the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
> >
> > I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> > handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> > job.
> >
> > I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> > related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> > problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> > side-cutting do-dads?
> >
> > nb
>
> They ain't newfangled - I've been using side cutters for over 30 years. I
> originally got them because I wanted a cutter that allowed me to make
> metal
> containers with replaceable lids.
>
> The trouble with regular can openers is that they allow too much play
> between the cutter and drive gear i.e., they're too flimsy.
>
> My favorite side cutter is shaped like a whale - it's operated by turning
> the spout. It looks like a kid's toy but it's solidly built of ABS. I'm
> the
> only one in the house that knows how to use it. It works 100% of the time.
>
> I don't know if you should use one or not. The problem with these openers
> is
> that the cutting wheel and pinch roller is hidden from view and some
> people
> may find them too difficult to use. A lot of folks try these openers and
> just give up - they don't want nuttin' to do with them. My wife hates my
> whale opener. That's the breaks.
>
> ---
>
> I remember getting a side cutter in the 70's. Hated it. Was given one as
> a
> gift more recently and hated it too. I did find them difficult to use but
> I
> hated the strings of glue that they left behind. Would stick to my hand
> or
> get in the food.

My guess is that people that like tinkering will have an easier time with
these openers because it helps to understand how these things work. An
expertise in automobile mechanics helps a lot. My can opener uses an gear to
set the cutting wheel. My recommendation is that people get the side cutter
can opener with the lever action instead - those are easier to operate.

---

I can never figure out how the electric ones work. I got one as a gift in
the 70's and hated it so much I got rid of it.

My husband has a tiny, military issue kind. I could never figure out how
that one worked.

On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 1:13:58 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 5:35:29 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > > I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> > > electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> > > both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> > > I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> > > Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> > > thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> > >
> > > I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> > > now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> > > not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> > > The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> > > can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> > > to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> > > did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> > > Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> > > the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> > > pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> > > the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
> > >
> > > I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> > > handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> > > job.
> > >
> > > I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> > > related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> > > problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> > > side-cutting do-dads?
> > >
> > > nb
> >
> > They ain't newfangled - I've been using side cutters for over 30 years. I
> > originally got them because I wanted a cutter that allowed me to make
> > metal
> > containers with replaceable lids.
> >
> > The trouble with regular can openers is that they allow too much play
> > between the cutter and drive gear i.e., they're too flimsy.
> >
> > My favorite side cutter is shaped like a whale - it's operated by turning
> > the spout. It looks like a kid's toy but it's solidly built of ABS. I'm
> > the
> > only one in the house that knows how to use it. It works 100% of the time.
> >
> > I don't know if you should use one or not. The problem with these openers
> > is
> > that the cutting wheel and pinch roller is hidden from view and some
> > people
> > may find them too difficult to use. A lot of folks try these openers and
> > just give up - they don't want nuttin' to do with them. My wife hates my
> > whale opener. That's the breaks.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I remember getting a side cutter in the 70's. Hated it. Was given one as
> > a
> > gift more recently and hated it too. I did find them difficult to use but
> > I
> > hated the strings of glue that they left behind. Would stick to my hand
> > or
> > get in the food.
>
> My guess is that people that like tinkering will have an easier time with
> these openers because it helps to understand how these things work. An
> expertise in automobile mechanics helps a lot. My can opener uses an gear to
> set the cutting wheel. My recommendation is that people get the side cutter
> can opener with the lever action instead - those are easier to operate.
>
> ---
>
> I can never figure out how the electric ones work. I got one as a gift in
> the 70's and hated it so much I got rid of it.

The can opener - it's a very personal choice!

>
> My husband has a tiny, military issue kind. I could never figure out how
> that one worked.

The P-38 opener is a cool relic from WWII. I've used it just for kicks. The most you can say about it is that it's better than nothing.

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
....

Cheap Chinese JUNK is JUNK!! Thank you for sending our dollars to China!! :-(

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
>> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> ...
>
> Cheap Chinese JUNK is JUNK!! Thank you for sending our dollars to China!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Thanks for rooming with a pod of Chicoms...

Abiquiu wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> >> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> >> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> >> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> >> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> >> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> >> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> > ...
> >
> > Cheap Chinese JUNK is JUNK!! Thank you for sending our dollars to China!! :-(
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
> Thanks for rooming with a pod of Chicoms...

Yeah, no kidding. John's rent goes right back to the family in China
each month.

Gary wrote:
> Abiquiu wrote:
>>
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
>>>> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>>>> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>>>> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>>>> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>>>> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>>>> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Cheap Chinese JUNK is JUNK!! Thank you for sending our dollars to China!! :-(
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> Thanks for rooming with a pod of Chicoms...
>
> Yeah, no kidding. John's rent goes right back to the family in China
> each month.
>
Just sayin'...

On 13/12/2015 8:35 AM, notbob wrote:
> I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>
> I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
>
> I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> job.
>
> I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> side-cutting do-dads?
>
> nb
>
I've been using a side cutter for many years. The major advantage is
that there are no sharp edges with which to cut yourself.
Graham

--

On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>
>I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
>now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
>not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
>The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
>can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
>to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
>did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
>Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
>the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
>pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
>the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
>
>I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
>handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
>job.
>
>I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
>related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
>problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
>side-cutting do-dads?
>
>nb

I like my side removal can opener. Some ( a very few) cans will be a
little more difficult to lift the lid when done . A couple of brand
names use a tougher "glue" to seal their cans. A second time around
the can fixes the problem. I tried many different can openers and
found that there were some problems as you indicate. I've had this
one for 3+ years now and I am content. It will open those super size
cans from the big box store. The lid never falls into the can.
Janet US

On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
> >electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
> >both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
> >I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
> >Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
> >thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
> >
> >I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
> >now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
> >not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
> >The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
> >can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
> >to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
> >did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
> >Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
> >the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
> >pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
> >the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
> >
> >I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
> >handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
> >job.
> >
> >I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
> >related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
> >problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
> >side-cutting do-dads?
> >
> >nb
>
> I like my side removal can opener. Some ( a very few) cans will be a
> little more difficult to lift the lid when done . A couple of brand
> names use a tougher "glue" to seal their cans. A second time around
> the can fixes the problem. I tried many different can openers and
> found that there were some problems as you indicate. I've had this
> one for 3+ years now and I am content. It will open those super size
> cans from the big box store. The lid never falls into the can.
> Janet US

I believe that most of these openers will have tiny pliers on them that you use to pry open the lid. It's important that one gets an opener with that has these pliers. People that use regular openers would never guess that there is a glue sealant in cans.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-10, Janet B wrote:
>> On 13 Dec 2015 15:35:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >I've tried 'em all. Mounted Swing-Aways, hand-held Swing-Aways,
>> >electric, hand, etc. I even hadda old style hand can opener that had
>> >both church key and bottle opener as part of the handles. But lately,
>> >I'm reduced to using a P38 style opener fer any kinda efficacy.
>> >Chinese-made swing-aways are useless. I've bought 2-3 from the local
>> >thrift store. Tossed 'em all.
>> >
>> >I'm starting to wonder if it is NOT the opener's fault, but the cans
>> >now being used. One old opener I had worked great on several cans, if
>> >not somewhat difficult to operate, it having a small butterfly handle.
>> >The handle is a direct connection to the notched wheel that turns the
>> >can. Well, I noticed on the last can I failed to open, the can seemed
>> >to be made of aluminum and the notched wheel jes chewed the rim up and
>> >did very little turning. This is true of the Chinese made
>> >Swing-Aways. The cutting wheel does indeed pierce the can lid, but
>> >the iffy notched drive wheel lets the cutting wheel ride up outta the
>> >pierced groove and I end up with two un-pierced (un-cut) sections of
>> >the lid. Soft metal on rims?? Perhaps.
>> >
>> >I tossed the old openers and dug out my only p38 style opener on the
>> >handle bottem of a pair of kitchen shears. Slow, but completes the
>> >job.
>> >
>> >I asked a non-cooking buddy what he and his lady-friend use. He
>> >related how they use a side-cutting (Zyliss, etc) opener with no
>> >problems. Izat what I need to buy? One of them newfangled
>> >side-cutting do-dads?
>> >
>> >nb
>>
>> I like my side removal can opener. Some ( a very few) cans will be a
>> little more difficult to lift the lid when done . A couple of brand
>> names use a tougher "glue" to seal their cans. A second time around
>> the can fixes the problem. I tried many different can openers and
>> found that there were some problems as you indicate. I've had this
>> one for 3+ years now and I am content. It will open those super size
>> cans from the big box store. The lid never falls into the can.
>> Janet US
>
> I believe that most of these openers will have tiny pliers on them that
> you use to pry open the lid. It's important that one gets an opener with
> that has these pliers. People that use regular openers would never guess
> that there is a glue sealant in cans.

---

I was shocked when I first saw that.

On 2015-12-13, Janet B > wrote:

> A couple of brand names use a tougher "glue" to seal their cans.

I'd like to see a cite on that. Last time I worked in a cannery,
the lid-to-can seal was mechanical, not chemical.

nb

On 13 Dec 2015 20:11:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-12-13, Janet B > wrote:
>
>> A couple of brand names use a tougher "glue" to seal their cans.
>
>I'd like to see a cite on that. Last time I worked in a cannery,
>the lid-to-can seal was mechanical, not chemical.
>
>nb

No cite available, just my observation. Some cans, when using the
beak to pick the lid, the lid just comes up easily. Some cans are
harder to pull the lid up and reveal a substance with threads that is
holding the lid on. Call it what you will. (name brands like maybe
S&W) I'll try to remember and take a picture the next time it
happens.
Janet US