On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:50:32 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:45:46 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 05:31:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:05:45 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:47:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:27:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:35:51 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:48:25 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 07:36:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> >On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:29:44 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >> But they're very mediocre fries/chips. I get much better chips when I
> >> >> >>>> >> order fish and chips at the local pub.
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >Fine, you think the way some pub in Australia cuts and fry's them
> >> >> >>>> >better.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> They don't do anything that special but they serve good fries. You can
> >> >> >>>> also get bad fries in Australian pubs, by the way. The shaped and
> >> >> >>>> underfried cardboard pulp type.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> >They're made with potatoes developed for the fast food
> >> >> >>>> >industry and grown under the same conditions.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I don't know about the genetics of the potatoes, but the end result is
> >> >> >>>> completely different.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>whoosh
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Back at ya.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ignore her. She is not nearly so bright as she thinks she is and twist
> >> >> >things. Ugh.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't understand how anyone can say that McDonald's revolutionized
> >> >> fries/chips. The only thing McDonald's revolutionized is diabetes.
> >> >
> >> >Typical myopia of the British.
> >>
> >> I'm not British. I guess I just agree with them
> >
> >I know you're a Dutch Australian, but Australia still bows to the
> >queen and has strong cultural ties to GB - which means attitudes are
> >more alike than different and you've made that obvious time after
> >time.
>
> I'm against all monarchies. Maybe that makes me un-British and
> un-Dutch

So you're living a lie.

--

sf

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:59:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-11-14 4:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> >> The convenience explains why some people eat it. What surprises me is
> >> that so many people say they actually like it.
> >
> > Nothing that suprising. Treat it for what it is. Fast food. It's not
> > expected to stand up to a 4star type meal. It's a quick fix when on
> > the road.
> >
>
>
> But like I said, there are people even here who say they like it. They
> didn't just say that it is convenient. They actually like it.

I think you're a bit too literal and overly presumptive.

--

sf

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:31:11 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:22:16 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:47:09 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:35:16 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there are fast
> >> >> food joints in every little town?
> >> >
> >> >Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is not.
> >>
> >> Of course, but even limited to first hand smoking: there are
> >> government campaigns against smoking, cigarettes are heavily taxed,
> >> tobacco ads are banned.
> >>
> >> Why doesn't the same apply to fast food? When half the population is
> >> wobbling around obese, suffering from diabetes, holding coca cola in
> >> one hand and a hamburger in the other, governments don't react much.
> >
> >Obese, diabetic people may harm themselves when they eat, but the
> >simple act of eating is harmless to others. Smokers not only harm
> >themselves by smoking, they harm others with their second hand smoke.
>
> You already said that. That's not the point.

It's the entire point. People can avoid obese, diabetic people by
looking in another direction. People can't avoid second hand smoke
simply by looking away.

--

sf

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:31:32 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:25:01 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:50:32 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:45:46 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 05:31:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 07:05:45 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:47:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 09:27:22 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:35:51 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:48:25 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 07:36:57 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> >On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:29:44 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>> >> But they're very mediocre fries/chips. I get much better chips when I
> >> >> >> >>>> >> order fish and chips at the local pub.
> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>> >Fine, you think the way some pub in Australia cuts and fry's them
> >> >> >> >>>> >better.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> They don't do anything that special but they serve good fries. You can
> >> >> >> >>>> also get bad fries in Australian pubs, by the way. The shaped and
> >> >> >> >>>> underfried cardboard pulp type.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> >They're made with potatoes developed for the fast food
> >> >> >> >>>> >industry and grown under the same conditions.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> I don't know about the genetics of the potatoes, but the end result is
> >> >> >> >>>> completely different.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>whoosh
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Back at ya.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Ignore her. She is not nearly so bright as she thinks she is and twist
> >> >> >> >things. Ugh.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't understand how anyone can say that McDonald's revolutionized
> >> >> >> fries/chips. The only thing McDonald's revolutionized is diabetes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Typical myopia of the British.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not British. I guess I just agree with them
> >> >
> >> >I know you're a Dutch Australian, but Australia still bows to the
> >> >queen and has strong cultural ties to GB - which means attitudes are
> >> >more alike than different and you've made that obvious time after
> >> >time.
> >>
> >> I'm against all monarchies. Maybe that makes me un-British and
> >> un-Dutch
> >
> >So you're living a Iie.
>
> Lol, you're a nut.

And I'm right about you.


--

sf

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 15:03:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:58:42 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:31:11 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:22:16 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:47:09 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:35:16 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there are fast
> >> >> >> food joints in every little town?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is not.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course, but even limited to first hand smoking: there are
> >> >> government campaigns against smoking, cigarettes are heavily taxed,
> >> >> tobacco ads are banned.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why doesn't the same apply to fast food? When half the population is
> >> >> wobbling around obese, suffering from diabetes, holding coca cola in
> >> >> one hand and a hamburger in the other, governments don't react much.
> >> >
> >> >Obese, diabetic people may harm themselves when they eat, but the
> >> >simple act of eating is harmless to others. Smokers not only harm
> >> >themselves by smoking, they harm others with their second hand smoke.
> >>
> >> You already said that. That's not the point.
> >
> >It's the entire point. People can avoid obese, diabetic people by
> >looking in another direction. People can't avoid second hand smoke
> >simply by looking away.
>
> Governments also want people to stop smoking. It's not only about
> second hand smoking.

Wow. You have no idea how government works.

--

sf

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 11/12/2015 5:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/exp...?frame=3335042
>>
>>
> That was very educational, thank you! I loved the descriptions of all
> of the brown gloppy stuff.

You are very welcome. I didn't expect all of them to be news here but I
thought it was fun) As for the brown gloppy stuff, you are very welcome to
have my share)))


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> The first, last, and only time I ate a big mac was 1965, in Monterey
> Park, CA, cost 19¢...

You are so busted. That didn't sound right so I looked up the history
of the big mac.

Remember, I was a young kid actually eating at McD once a week when
they first arrived in the early 1960's. No big macs then and once they
were created, they never sold for 19 cents.
Here's the real history with some snipping:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Big Mac debuted at Delligatti's Uniontown, Pennsylvania McD's
in 1967, (He was an early McD's franchiser), selling for 45 cents.
The Big Mac proved popular, and it was added to the menu of
all U.S. restaurants in 1968.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Whatever you ate in California in 1965 for 19 cents was NOT a big mac.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> The first, last, and only time I ate a big mac was 1965, in Monterey
>> Park, CA, cost 19¢...
>
> You are so busted. That didn't sound right so I looked up the history
> of the big mac.
>
> Remember, I was a young kid actually eating at McD once a week when
> they first arrived in the early 1960's. No big macs then and once they
> were created, they never sold for 19 cents.
> Here's the real history with some snipping:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Big Mac debuted at Delligatti's Uniontown, Pennsylvania McD's
> in 1967, (He was an early McD's franchiser), selling for 45 cents.
> The Big Mac proved popular, and it was added to the menu of
> all U.S. restaurants in 1968.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Whatever you ate in California in 1965 for 19 cents was NOT a big mac.

Gary, aren't you stepping on Squishy's toes here? I thought that was his
job.

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there
> > > > > are fast food joints in every little town?
> > > >
> > > > Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
> > > > not.
> > >
> > > It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
> > > smoking.
> > >
> > > I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
> > > ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done here. It
> > > is not even allowed at the local leash free dog park. People are
> > > not allowed to smoke there even if there are no other people
> > > around.
> >
> > It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
> > public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
> > meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats over
> > the top rude and ignorant levels.
> >
> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office I'd
> even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if they did
> they never said anything.

It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
**** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never took
a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower). These
things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.



--

On 15/11/2015 6:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there
>>>>>> are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>> smoking.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done here. It
>>>> is not even allowed at the local leash free dog park. People are
>>>> not allowed to smoke there even if there are no other people
>>>> around.
>>>
>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats over
>>> the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>
>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office I'd
>> even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if they did
>> they never said anything.
>
> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never took
> a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower). These
> things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>
>
>
A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just as
offensive as cig smoke.
You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the effect you have on others.
Graham

--
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play.
It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness,
disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in
witnessing violence." George Orwell

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there
> > > > > > are fast food joints in every little town?
> > > > >
> > > > > Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
> > > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
> > > > smoking.
> > > >
> > > > I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
> > > > ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done here. It
> > > > is not even allowed at the local leash free dog park. People are
> > > > not allowed to smoke there even if there are no other people
> > > > around.
> > >
> > > It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
> > > public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
> > > meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats over
> > > the top rude and ignorant levels.
> > >
> > I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office I'd
> > even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if they did
> > they never said anything.
>
> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never took
> a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower). These
> things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>
>
The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
"smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.

--

sf

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 6:56:11 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but there
> > > > > > > are fast food joints in every little town?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
> > > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
> > > > > smoking.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
> > > > > ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done here. It
> > > > > is not even allowed at the local leash free dog park. People are
> > > > > not allowed to smoke there even if there are no other people
> > > > > around.
> > > >
> > > > It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
> > > > public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
> > > > meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats over
> > > > the top rude and ignorant levels.
> > > >
> > > I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office I'd
> > > even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if they did
> > > they never said anything.
> >
> > It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
> > **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
> > put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never took
> > a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower). These
> > things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
> >
> >
> The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
> "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
> sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
> unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
>
> --
>
> sf

My gut feeling in this is that smoking will get popular with the young folks in the near future. Enjoy the air while you can!

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 00:59:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 6:56:11 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > >
> > The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
> > "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
> > sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
> > unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> My gut feeling in this is that smoking will get popular with the young folks in the near future. Enjoy the air while you can!

Except they won't be smoking tobacco.

--

sf

Sqwertz wrote:
> That's not quite right
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sqwertz wrote:
> Senility is a bitch.
>
> -sw
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 7:59:13 AM UTC-8, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> > The first, last, and only time I ate a big mac was 1965, in Monterey
> > Park, CA, cost 19¢...
>
> You are so busted. That didn't sound right so I looked up the history
> of the big mac.
>
> Remember, I was a young kid actually eating at McD once a week when
> they first arrived in the early 1960's. No big macs then and once they
> were created, they never sold for 19 cents.
> Here's the real history with some snipping:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Big Mac debuted at Delligatti's Uniontown, Pennsylvania McD's
> in 1967, (He was an early McD's franchiser), selling for 45 cents.
> The Big Mac proved popular, and it was added to the menu of
> all U.S. restaurants in 1968.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Whatever you ate in California in 1965 for 19 cents was NOT a big mac.

Seems to me a McBurger was 15 cents, so maybe the cheeseburger was 19 cents..

graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 15/11/2015 6:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
> > > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
> > > > > > > there are fast food joints in every little town?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
> > > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
> > > > > smoking.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
> > > > > ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
> > > > > here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
> > > > > park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
> > > > > no other people around.
> > > >
> > > > It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
> > > > public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
> > > > meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
> > > > over the top rude and ignorant levels.
> > > >
> > > I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
> > > I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
> > > they did they never said anything.
> >
> > It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
> > **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
> > put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
> > took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
> > These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
> >
> >
> >
> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
> effect you have on others. Graham

Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
bars that allow cigarettes.



--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
> > > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
> > > > > > > there are fast food joints in every little town?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
> > > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
> > > > > smoking.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
> > > > > ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
> > > > > here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
> > > > > park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
> > > > > no other people around.
> > > >
> > > > It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
> > > > public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
> > > > meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
> > > > over the top rude and ignorant levels.
> > > >
> > > I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
> > > I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
> > > they did they never said anything.
> >
> > It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
> > **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
> > put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
> > took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
> > These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
> >
> >
> The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
> "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
> sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
> unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.

That one is true. But they start with cigarettes too so it's probably
better if they are going to start, to use the less damaging sorts.
Better they never start but we all know that.

Most folks ban vape because they see a plume of smoke, unaware it is
water vapor almost entirely, and *assume* it is dangerous. The medical
community is starting to support those who just can't quit, with
swapping to vaping. Healthier if not perfect.

Carol

--

On 16/11/2015 6:31 PM, cshenk wrote:
> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 15/11/2015 6:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
>>>>>>>> there are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>>>> smoking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
>>>>>> here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
>>>>>> park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
>>>>>> no other people around.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
>>>>> over the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
>>>> I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
>>>> they did they never said anything.
>>>
>>> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
>>> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
>>> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
>>> took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
>>> These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>> effect you have on others. Graham
>
> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
> bars that allow cigarettes.
>
>
>
No bars here allow smoking - it's forbidden by law. So smokers can only
smoke outside. Vapers are trying to twist the law in their favour, damn
them!

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It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness,
disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in
witnessing violence." George Orwell

On 16/11/2015 7:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:01:20 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 16/11/2015 6:31 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On 15/11/2015 6:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
>>>>>>>>>> there are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>>>>>> smoking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>>>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
>>>>>>>> here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
>>>>>>>> park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
>>>>>>>> no other people around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>>>>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>>>>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
>>>>>>> over the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
>>>>>> I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
>>>>>> they did they never said anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
>>>>> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
>>>>> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
>>>>> took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
>>>>> These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>
>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No bars here allow smoking - it's forbidden by law. So smokers can only
>> smoke outside. Vapers are trying to twist the law in their favour, damn
>> them!
>
> Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?
>
> What's a vaper?
>
A user of "electronic cigs".

--
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play.
It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness,
disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in
witnessing violence." George Orwell

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 5:50:22 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 00:59:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 6:56:11 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
> > > "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
> > > sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
> > > unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > sf
> >
> > My gut feeling in this is that smoking will get popular with the young folks in the near future. Enjoy the air while you can!
>
> Except they won't be smoking tobacco.
>
> --
>
> sf

Wacky tobacky?

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?

It surprised me too and I live in the same country.

--

sf

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>> effect you have on others. Graham
>
> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
> bars that allow cigarettes.

To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
etc., but hate the smell of many perfumes and after shaves, so I wonder if
those people have any idea of the effect they have on others?

Cheri

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
> >>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
> >>> effect you have on others. Graham
> >>
> >> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
> >> bars that allow cigarettes.
> >
> >To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
> >not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
> >etc.,
>
> I thought I was the only one.

Ew and double ew.

--

sf

On 17/11/2015 5:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>
>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>
>> To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
>> not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
>> etc.,
>
> I thought I was the only one.
>
You are not alone... but with a deviation like that, you might well be!

--

Xeno

On 17/11/2015 7:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>>
>>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>>
>>> To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
>>> not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
>>> etc.,
>>
>> I thought I was the only one.
>
> Ew and double ew.
>
Make that triple!

--

Xeno

On 17/11/2015 7:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:44:26 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>>>
>>>> To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
>>>> not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
>>>> etc.,
>>>
>>> I thought I was the only one.
>>
>> Ew and double ew.
>
> I don't smoke, but I like the smell of cigarettes or cigars when I
> walk past a smoker. Did you ever smoke?
>
What I hate the most about smoking is the smell of butts in an ashtray.
Now THAT is a triple ew!

--

Xeno

On 17/11/2015 12:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
>>>>>>>> there are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>>>> smoking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
>>>>>> here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
>>>>>> park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
>>>>>> no other people around.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
>>>>> over the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
>>>> I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
>>>> they did they never said anything.
>>>
>>> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
>>> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
>>> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
>>> took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
>>> These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>>>
>>>
>> The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
>> "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
>> sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
>> unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
>
> That one is true. But they start with cigarettes too so it's probably
> better if they are going to start, to use the less damaging sorts.
> Better they never start but we all know that.
>
> Most folks ban vape because they see a plume of smoke, unaware it is
> water vapor almost entirely, and *assume* it is dangerous. The medical
> community is starting to support those who just can't quit, with
> swapping to vaping. Healthier if not perfect.
>
> Carol
>
Most of the people I know who have successfully quit smoking have
'wanted' to quit. The ones who unsuccessfully quit have liked smoking
far too much. My wife and my brother both quit virtually on the spot
midway through a pack. My mother never could and never really wanted to
even though it was obviously damaging her health. While she reached 85,
the last 10 years weren't anything to write home about.

--

Xeno

On 17/11/2015 9:36 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:33:19 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 17/11/2015 5:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>>>
>>>> To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
>>>> not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
>>>> etc.,
>>>
>>> I thought I was the only one.
>>>
>> You are not alone... but with a deviation like that, you might well be!
>
> At least I'm smart enough to let someone else produce the nice smell
>
>
Got my agreement on that score at least! ;-)

--

Xeno

"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 17/11/2015 7:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:44:26 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>>>>>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>>>>> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>> To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one,
>>>>> might
>>>>> not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars,
>>>>> pipes
>>>>> etc.,
>>>>
>>>> I thought I was the only one.
>>>
>>> Ew and double ew.
>>
>> I don't smoke, but I like the smell of cigarettes or cigars when I
>> walk past a smoker. Did you ever smoke?
>>
> What I hate the most about smoking is the smell of butts in an ashtray.
> Now THAT is a triple ew!

My friend owns a house in Aberdeen and rents it out. Her rule is 'no
smoking'. The last tenants left recently and she went up to look the place
over. It stank of cigarette smoke. She has had to completely redecorate
and is having to replace all the carpets, mattresses and some soft
furnishings. She has steam cleaned everything. I got a text last night to
say the only place she could smell it now is in the hall and she is hoping
the new carpet in there will take care of that.

I feel so sorry for her. She has been working on it all week and is
exhausted.


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On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 1:07:51 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
> > Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?
>
> It surprised me too and I live in the same country.

In the U.S., those matters are left to the states to handle.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States>

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 1:07:51 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>> > Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?
>>
>> It surprised me too and I live in the same country.
>
> In the U.S., those matters are left to the states to handle.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States>

It is illegal to smoke in enclosed spaces here.



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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 17/11/2015 12:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
>>>>>>>>> there are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>>>>> smoking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
>>>>>>> here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
>>>>>>> park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
>>>>>>> no other people around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>>>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>>>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
>>>>>> over the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
>>>>> I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
>>>>> they did they never said anything.
>>>>
>>>> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
>>>> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
>>>> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
>>>> took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
>>>> These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
>>> "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
>>> sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
>>> unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
>>
>> That one is true. But they start with cigarettes too so it's probably
>> better if they are going to start, to use the less damaging sorts.
>> Better they never start but we all know that.
>>
>> Most folks ban vape because they see a plume of smoke, unaware it is
>> water vapor almost entirely, and *assume* it is dangerous. The medical
>> community is starting to support those who just can't quit, with
>> swapping to vaping. Healthier if not perfect.
>>
>> Carol
>>
> Most of the people I know who have successfully quit smoking have 'wanted'
> to quit. The ones who unsuccessfully quit have liked smoking far too much.
> My wife and my brother both quit virtually on the spot midway through a
> pack. My mother never could and never really wanted to even though it was
> obviously damaging her health. While she reached 85, the last 10 years
> weren't anything to write home about.

I quit smoking on the spot when I became pregnant with my daughter. It had
just been known that it was damaging to the baby. No, it wasn't easy but if
you really want to, you will. I have never been temped since and abhor the
smell of it.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 1:07:51 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?
>>>
>>> It surprised me too and I live in the same country.
>>
>> In the U.S., those matters are left to the states to handle.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States>
>
> It is illegal to smoke in enclosed spaces here.

Before somebody jumps on me it is enclosed PUBLIC places!

>
>
>
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:50:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:44:26 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:05 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:39:22 -0800, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"cshenk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >> graham wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>> >
>>> >>> A vaper passed me in the street the other day. The smell etc was just
>>> >>> as offensive as cig smoke. You vapers have NO ****ing idea of the
>>> >>> effect you have on others. Graham
>>> >>
>>> >> Um, did I say I do it up and down the street? Nope. I use them in
>>> >> bars that allow cigarettes.
>>> >
>>> >To say nothing of the fact that what is an offensive "smell" to one, might
>>> >not be to another. Personally, I love the smell of cigarettes, cigars, pipes
>>> >etc.,
>>>
>>> I thought I was the only one.
>>
>>Ew and double ew.
>
>I don't smoke, but I like the smell of cigarettes or cigars when I
>walk past a smoker. Did you ever smoke?

I haven't smoked for 30 years but I do dislike the smell of smoke when
you go into a building. Now it is the law that you may not stand
smoking within so many metres of the entrance, that has pretty much
dealt with that.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:30:23 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 03:26:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 1:07:51 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Are there still western countries where you can smoke in bars?
>>>
>>> It surprised me too and I live in the same country.
>>
>>In the U.S., those matters are left to the states to handle.
>>
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States>
>
>I thought the US as a whole would be ahead in this area, but maybe I
>live in the most anti-smoking country. Although I get the impression
>half of Australia smokes pot.

No, it's been years since one could smoke in a public place in Canada.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:40:35 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
>> On 17/11/2015 12:44 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:18:29 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2015 7:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-11-14 5:35 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:48:38 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do governments target smoking the way they do, but
>>>>>>>>>> there are fast food joints in every little town?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eating fast food is a choice, breathing second hand smoke is
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not about the second hand smoke. They don't want people
>>>>>>>> smoking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke but I think it is
>>>>>>>> ridiculous to ban smoking in parks, which they have done
>>>>>>>> here. It is not even allowed at the local leash free dog
>>>>>>>> park. People are not allowed to smoke there even if there are
>>>>>>>> no other people around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has gotten a little silly. I can get it on no smoking in any
>>>>>>> public facility or at the door of one. I don't get one business
>>>>>>> meeting place that banned even an e-cig in your own car. Thats
>>>>>>> over the top rude and ignorant levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard of that! I still use an e-cig and in the office
>>>>>> I'd even vape in my cubical. No smell, no one even noticed or if
>>>>>> they did they never said anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's driven by hysterical folks with no clue. I even had some silly
>>>>> **** try to tell me they were less safe than cigarettes because they
>>>>> put water in the lungs. Heaven help sitting near her as she never
>>>>> took a hot shower (1000% the water vapor in 1 minute of shower).
>>>>> These things have like a 1/2 TS water that lasts for 8 hours use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The only negative I've heard about them is it can start under-age
>>>> "smokers" down that slippery slope. I know they are banned, but not
>>>> sure why and don't care. My attitude toward smoking/e-smoking is as
>>>> unforgiving as Bruce's attitude is about fat people eating fast food.
>>>
>>> That one is true. But they start with cigarettes too so it's probably
>>> better if they are going to start, to use the less damaging sorts.
>>> Better they never start but we all know that.
>>>
>>> Most folks ban vape because they see a plume of smoke, unaware it is
>>> water vapor almost entirely, and *assume* it is dangerous. The medical
>>> community is starting to support those who just can't quit, with
>>> swapping to vaping. Healthier if not perfect.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>> Most of the people I know who have successfully quit smoking have 'wanted'
>> to quit. The ones who unsuccessfully quit have liked smoking far too much.
>> My wife and my brother both quit virtually on the spot midway through a
>> pack. My mother never could and never really wanted to even though it was
>> obviously damaging her health. While she reached 85, the last 10 years
>> weren't anything to write home about.
>
>I quit smoking on the spot when I became pregnant with my daughter. It had
>just been known that it was damaging to the baby. No, it wasn't easy but if
>you really want to, you will. I have never been temped since and abhor the
>smell of it.

It is also illegal here to smoke in ones car if there are children
with you - there was a big protest about that but it seems to me that
the confines of a car are the worst place you could inflict second
hand smoke on kids!!

> wrote in message
...

>>I quit smoking on the spot when I became pregnant with my daughter. It
>>had
>>just been known that it was damaging to the baby. No, it wasn't easy but
>>if
>>you really want to, you will. I have never been temped since and abhor
>>the
>>smell of it.
>
> It is also illegal here to smoke in ones car if there are children
> with you - there was a big protest about that but it seems to me that
> the confines of a car are the worst place you could inflict second
> hand smoke on kids!!

I agree and they are talking about bringing that law in here.

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On 2015-11-17 5:34 AM, Xeno wrote:

>> I don't smoke, but I like the smell of cigarettes or cigars when I
>> walk past a smoker. Did you ever smoke?
>>
> What I hate the most about smoking is the smell of butts in an ashtray.
> Now THAT is a triple ew!

Anyone planning to quit smoking should keep some old butts in an ashtray
in the house. When they get a craving for a smoke they can go and get a
whiff of the butts.

On 2015-11-17, Xeno > wrote:

> What I hate the most about smoking is the smell of butts in an ashtray.

Oh, you mean like chipotle everything?

nb