On 9/10/2015 12:11 PM, cshenk wrote:
> We wrapped them in local store
> newspaper ads and enjoyed the difference.
>
> I miss him. Sadly, cancer probably got him. Me, I'm a Virgo.
>
>
> Carol
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:44:20 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 9/6/2015 7:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On 9/6/2015 11:50 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > > Grin, I made it and it had too much fat. Total overkill.
> > > > > Needed the meat drained. Probably the tomatoes as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I plan to try again though as the idea appeals. Sometimes one
> > > > > has to try a few ideas more than once to get it right. Since
> > > > > Mom doesnt cook, I have no guides on some things that are very
> > > > > different from my normal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Self taught cooks tend to sometimes have a flop. This one was
> > > > > not a total flop, but not optimally made either. I think if i
> > > > > drain the tomatoes and the beef, it will work nicely.
> > > > >
> > >>> Carol
> > > > >
> > > > I've never heard of adding tomatoes to cottage pie. The beef
> > > > definitely needs to be drained.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > >
> > > Ok, now i know! So much for 'follow the recipe exactly the first
> > > time'. I sensed it was off but what the heck. Try it.
> > >
> > It depends on where you found the recipe. I don't trust a lot of
> > recipes I find online.
> >
> > > Now i have a sense of what it should shape up like and the bits we
> > > did get were not terrible, just too fatty. The grease solidified
> > > and we lifted it off.
> > >
> > Good save!
> >
> > > I am attempting to stretch my cooking zone out of Asian and basic
> > > southern. If I muck up a few (laugh), at least I am honest on it!
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > Of course you were honest about it! I truly don't remember my first
> > attempt at making cottage pie. I do know I didn't add tomatoes and I
> > definitely drained the fat off the beef. Even with very lean ground
> > beef it should be drained.
> >
> > I should make a cottage pie again sometime soon. Or perhaps the
> > Cheeseburger Pie recipe off the back of a box of Bisquik. (My
> > mother made that for us when I was a teenager.)
> >
> > Jill
>
> Grin, yup! Tonight was a simpler one (for us). Curried lamb in sauce
> with rice and some steamed cabbage then cut cantalope at the side.
>
> Might make another attempt at a cottage pie this weekend, or might wait
> to next!
>
> Sometimes it can be challanging if you have never eaten the item (I've
> never had it) so trying to work it out can be a bit odd.
>
> Carol

Back in the bad old days, I remember hamburger and a can of undiluted
tomato soup under a covering of mashed potato (probably instant). It
was called shepherd's pie.

--

sf

On 11/09/2015 12:38 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:58 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:44:20 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Grin, yup! Tonight was a simpler one (for us). Curried lamb in sauce
>>> with rice and some steamed cabbage then cut cantalope at the side.
>>>
>>> Might make another attempt at a cottage pie this weekend, or might wait
>>> to next!
>>>
>>> Sometimes it can be challanging if you have never eaten the item (I've
>>> never had it) so trying to work it out can be a bit odd.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>
>> Back in the bad old days, I remember hamburger and a can of undiluted
>> tomato soup under a covering of mashed potato (probably instant). It
>> was called shepherd's pie.
>
> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>
Here we go again! :-)
Graham

graham wrote:
>
Bruce wrote:
> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
> >
> Here we go again! :-)
> Graham

Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
I like it.

wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >graham wrote:
> >>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
> >> >
> >> Here we go again! :-)
> >> Graham
> >
> >Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
> >meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
> >I like it.
>
> Don't you be killing those cute wolverines for burgers

NO WORRIES! Wolverines are a bad ass animal but only when evil
trappers encounter them. I watched a documentary once where a
wolverine mother had been killed and some guy rescued her babies. He
raised them and they were the coolest pets ever.

Not only that....wolverines are related to ferrets. You KNOW I would
never kill one.

And on a ferret note. I opened my ferret-food stash to grind up more
ferret food this morning. Only a one day supply left so I had to run
out and buy more. It's expensive to buy at first but the mix lasts
3-4 months so not so bad in the long run.

Mia has me wrapped around her little paw. I spoil her but she is very
old and does need extra care and attention. Pain in the ass sometimes
but....no worries.

On 9/11/2015 11:03 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> I like it.
>
>
> Don't you be killing those cute wolverines for burgers
>
We must get the same PBS television. I saw a show about wolverines last
night. They are cute! They move more like cats than wolves. Fluffy
tails, too!

Jill

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:17:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>> >graham wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >Bruce wrote:
>>> >> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>> >> >
>>> >> Here we go again! :-)
>>> >> Graham
>>> >
>>> >Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>> >meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>> >I like it.
>>>
>>> Don't you be killing those cute wolverines for burgers
>>
>>NO WORRIES! Wolverines are a bad ass animal but only when evil
>>trappers encounter them. I watched a documentary once where a
>>wolverine mother had been killed and some guy rescued her babies. He
>>raised them and they were the coolest pets ever.
>>
>>Not only that....wolverines are related to ferrets. You KNOW I would
>>never kill one.
>>
>>And on a ferret note. I opened my ferret-food stash to grind up more
>>ferret food this morning. Only a one day supply left so I had to run
>>out and buy more. It's expensive to buy at first but the mix lasts
>>3-4 months so not so bad in the long run.
>>
>>Mia has me wrapped around her little paw. I spoil her but she is very
>>old and does need extra care and attention. Pain in the ass sometimes
>>but....no worries.
>>
>>
>
> Now that you mention it wolverines and ferrets do look rather alike.
> You're allowed to spoil a pet -that's what we are here for

Absolutely)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 9/11/2015 8:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> graham wrote:
>>
> Bruce wrote:
>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>
>> Here we go again! :-)
>> Graham
>
> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
> I like it.
>

I prefer polar bear.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>graham wrote:
>>
>Bruce wrote:
>> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>> >
>> Here we go again! :-)
>> Graham
>
>Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>I like it.

Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.

On 9/11/2015 11:18 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> I like it.
>
> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>

I call BS on that one.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>graham wrote:
>>>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>> >
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>>Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>I like it.
>
> I think it ill behooves you.

Indeed, I think he will need to keep a tight rein on that appetite.

--
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On 9/11/2015 2:46 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> I like it.
>
> I think it ill behooves you.
>
....perhaps he has hoof in mouth disease....

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
wrote:

> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
> to create a new fake email account.
>
> These things take time.

It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.

--

sf

On 9/11/2015 2:52 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> graham wrote:
>>>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> > But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>> >
>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>> I like it.
>>
>> I think it ill behooves you.
>
> Indeed, I think he will need to keep a tight rein on that appetite.
>
+1!

On 9/11/2015 4:02 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
> wrote:
>
>> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
>> to create a new fake email account.
>>
>> These things take time.
>
> It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.
>

I would accept that thanks if it were actually my doing. As it stands we
have someone else here who is reporting them.

I make a lousy censor, but a more willing critic.

;-)

On 12/09/2015 12:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> graham wrote:
>>
> Bruce wrote:
>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>
>> Here we go again! :-)
>> Graham
>
> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
> I like it.
>
It's either Dingo or croc meat in Aus. No zebras or wolverines here and
kangaroo meat won't stay on the plate long enough.

--

Xeno

On 9/12/2015 9:48 AM, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/09/2015 12:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> I like it.
>>
> It's either Dingo or croc meat in Aus. No zebras or wolverines here and
> kangaroo meat won't stay on the plate long enough.
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/12/2015 8:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:03:14 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 07:47:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:12:19 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 06:46:48 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>>>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>>>>> I like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it ill behooves you.
>>>>
>>>> No, no, I mustn't say what I want to
>>>
>>> Oh, go on.
>>
>> It was 'if wit was shit, you'd be constipated' lol
>
> lol
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/12/2015 8:03 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 07:47:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:12:19 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 06:46:48 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>>>> I like it.
>>>>
>>>> I think it ill behooves you.
>>>
>>> No, no, I mustn't say what I want to
>>
>> Oh, go on.
>
> It was 'if wit was shit, you'd be constipated' lol
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/12/2015 7:47 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:52:45 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:45:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>>> I like it.
>>>
>>> I think it ill behooves you.
>>
>> Indeed, I think he will need to keep a tight rein on that appetite.
>
> lol
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/12/2015 8:02 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
> wrote:
>
>> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
>> to create a new fake email account.
>>
>> These things take time.
>
> It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.
>

You so fat, when you go to a restaurant you get an estimate.

Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! TROLL ENABLER!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!

On 9/12/2015 9:48 AM, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/09/2015 12:45 AM, Gary wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>
>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> I like it.
>>
> It's either Dingo or croc meat in Aus. No zebras or wolverines here and
> kangaroo meat won't stay on the plate long enough.
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/11/2015 6:25 PM, Kokopelli wrote:
> On 9/12/2015 8:02 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
>>> to create a new fake email account.
>>>
>>> These things take time.
>>
>> It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.
>>
>
> You so fat,

On 9/3/2015 4:34 AM, Ophelia wrote:
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

Kokopelli wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>Gary wrote:
>>> graham wrote:
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>
>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>
>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>> I like it.
>>
>> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>>
>
>I call BS on that one.

Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
(probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.

On 9/12/2015 11:26 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

On 9/11/2015 7:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>>> >>
>> >
>> >I call BS on that one.
> Any resto burger or stupidmarket


Um...just where did you buy that beef roast, or the pork one, a
stupidmarket?

On 9/12/2015 12:03 PM, Kokopelli wrote:

Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:25:48 +1000, Kokopelli >
wrote:

> On 9/12/2015 8:02 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
> >> to create a new fake email account.
> >>
> >> These things take time.
> >
> > It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.
> >
>
> You so fat, when you go to a restaurant you get an estimate.

Dear Scumbag,

I can afford to eat in the most expensive restaurants you can imagine,
while you are left begging for attention on the sidewalk.

Bwahahahaha!
>
> Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! TROLL ENABLER!
>
>
> Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!
>
> No one cares about you.
>
> Get OUT!

A troll screaming bloody murder about a pretended abuse it calls troll
enabling while committing real abuse is both ironic and amusing.
Please do report me to the above usenet servers and see where it gets
you, dumbass.


--

sf

On 9/12/2015 3:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:25:48 +1000, Kokopelli >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/12/2015 8:02 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:36:46 -0600, Kokopelli >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What happens is they get their frogging account canceled and then have
>>>> to create a new fake email account.
>>>>
>>>> These things take time.
>>>
>>> It's nice to have the noise cancelled, thank you.
>>>
>>
>> You so fat, when you go to a restaurant you get an estimate.
>
> Dear Scumbag,
>
> I can afford to eat in the most expensive restaurants you can imagine,
> while you are left begging for attention on the sidewalk.
>
> Bwahahahaha!
>>
>> Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! TROLL ENABLER!
>>
>>
>> Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!
>>
>> No one cares about you.
>>
>> Get OUT!
>
> A troll screaming bloody murder about a pretended abuse it calls troll
> enabling while committing real abuse is both ironic and amusing.
> Please do report me to the above usenet servers and see where it gets
> you, dumbass.
>
>
DEAR FAT ASS Barbara J. Llorente

good morning fat ass
how will your day go?
will you be stared at like an enourmous blob?
or be taunted and teased all day long?

people say you can't do anything
you cant do this or that
but you will sure show them
when your fat ass is in control

it is all your fault fat ass
you live to eat and dont eat to live
well look at that fat ass
a greasy cheese burger streaming down your lips and chin

you are a worthless excuse for a human
no one wants to see fat
lock yourself inside your room
until your thin and flat



you would rather some one say
**** her anorexic ass
than **** you
you fat fat ass


words hurt as much as the weight
they will be with you forever
that extra baggage you can change
show them you can do something

No one wants to see a fat girl cry
tears of grease and blubber
you will no longer be the funny fat girl
you will be just as cool as any other

slide your finger down your throat
when you dream of grease and junk
the calories will fade away
down the toilet with one flush

dont eat today
you will prove them right
that is something
you just can't do

show them they dont
have control over everything
your weight
is something you do

Loose it all fat ass
I want to see coller bones
and down right thin

dont cry when you become dizzy
just know that it will help you in the end

You can feel good about yourself fat ass
you just have to learn control
your punishment is a life full of pain
and tears of grease and fried stuff

thin is the way you have always wanted to be
well you have a long journey to get there
but change your life
you **** of blubber

run run fat ass
let that fat ass shake
no one wants to see that shit
better run in your back yard instead

skinny
be thin
fat ass
be fat
when weighing out your options
which do you like better than fat?


its not lie fat ass
you have let yourself go
its time to buckle down
and crack those calories away


when it is all said and done
you will be worthy
you will feel alive again
see thin is the way to be

and you are just a fat ass with no control again.

Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD! TROLL ENABLER!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record

ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Kokopelli wrote:
> >Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>Gary wrote:
> >>> graham wrote:
> >>> Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Here we go again! :-)
> >>>
> >>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
> >>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
> >>> I like it.
> >>
> >> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
> >>
> >
> >I call BS on that one.
>
> Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
> There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
> yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
> even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
> have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
> (probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
> hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
> the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
> send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
> onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
> boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
> nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
> street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
> meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
> bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
> no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
> machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
> clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
> minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
> like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
> safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
> myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
> my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
> the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
> always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
> meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
> cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
> way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
> processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
> proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
> be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.
>
>

"Wall of text."
Will read this later.

On 9/11/2015 11:29 PM, sf wrote:
> Dear Scumbag,
>
> I can afford to eat in the most expensive restaurants you can imagine,
> while you are left begging for attention on the sidewalk.
>
> Bwahahahaha!


+1,000!!!!!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Kokopelli wrote:
>> >Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >>Gary wrote:
>> >>> graham wrote:
>> >>> Bruce wrote:
>> >>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Here we go again! :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>> >>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>> >>> I like it.
>> >>
>> >> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I call BS on that one.
>>
>> Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
>> There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
>> yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
>> even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
>> have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
>> (probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
>> hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
>> the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
>> send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
>> onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
>> boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
>> nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
>> street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
>> meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
>> bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
>> no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
>> machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
>> clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
>> minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
>> like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
>> safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
>> myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
>> my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
>> the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
>> always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
>> meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
>> cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
>> way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
>> processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
>> proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
>> be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.
>>
>>
>
> "Wall of text."
> Will read this later.

LOL, it could be worse. It could be all in CAPS.

Cheri

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Kokopelli wrote:
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > Gary wrote:
> >>> graham wrote:
> >>> Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
> > > > > >
> >>>> Here we go again! :-)
> > > >
> >>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes
> wolverine >>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse
> meat mixed in. >>> I like it.
> > >
> >> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
> > >
> >
> > I call BS on that one.
>
> Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
> There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
> yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
> even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
> have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
> (probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
> hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
> the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
> send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
> onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
> boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
> nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
> street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
> meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
> bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
> no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
> machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
> clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
> minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
> like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
> safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
> myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
> my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
> the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
> always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
> meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
> cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
> way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
> processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
> proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
> be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.
>
>

LOL, perfect op to ask you something on grinding. They have eye of
round beef on a serious loss leader sale.

I'm thinking to get some and mix it with a bit of fattier pot roast
sort, or some fat cap from a pork shoulder.

If you've tried either, which worked best?

I also have a beef shoulder to grind up and can mix them together.
(Friend has a farm and a small business plus a blind wife and I made
him a screen reader computer out of freecycle parts and he passed me a
whole beef shoulder with a good bit of the leg).

Carol

--

On 9/13/2015 4:15 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Kokopelli wrote:
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes
>> wolverine >>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse
>> meat mixed in. >>> I like it.
>>>>
>>>> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on that one.
>>
>> Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
>> There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
>> yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
>> even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
>> have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
>> (probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
>> hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
>> the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
>> send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
>> onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
>> boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
>> nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
>> street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
>> meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
>> bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
>> no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
>> machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
>> clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
>> minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
>> like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
>> safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
>> myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
>> my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
>> the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
>> always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
>> meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
>> cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
>> way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
>> processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
>> proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
>> be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.
>>
>>
>
> LOL, perfect op to ask you something on grinding. They have eye of
> round beef on a serious loss leader sale.
>
> I'm thinking to get some and mix it with a bit of fattier pot roast
> sort, or some fat cap from a pork shoulder.
>
> If you've tried either, which worked best?
>
> I also have a beef shoulder to grind up and can mix them together.
> (Friend has a farm and a small business plus a blind wife and I made
> him a screen reader computer out of freecycle parts and he passed me a
> whole beef shoulder with a good bit of the leg).
>
> Carol
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/13/2015 2:38 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...

On 9/13/2015 12:34 AM, Gary wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Kokopelli wrote:
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> But isn't hamburger meat beef?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here we go again! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruce. "Hamburger" is officialy zebra meat, or sometimes wolverine
>>>>> meat. Nothing special. Occasionally you get some horse meat mixed in.
>>>>> I like it.
>>>>
>>>> Um, most hamburger is mystery meat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I call BS on that one.
>>
>> Any resto burger or stupidmarket preground is indeed mystery meat.
>> There is only one way to know what/who is in ground meat, grind it
>> yourself. The fanciest priciest butcher shop is the biggest cheater,
>> even if you pick a steak to be ground and watch it being ground you
>> have no way to know what was ground previously and is still in that
>> (probably dirty) grinder body, a large commercial machine can easily
>> hold two pounds of meat... you'll get some ground scraps/trimmings and
>> the butcher will get your ground steak. When I was a kid my mom would
>> send me to the corner bucher shop with a few stale rolls and and
>> onion, the butcehr know to grind the rolls first, then the two pound
>> boneless chuck steak and then the onion... no butcher would do that
>> nowadays, but they did back then or the business moved acoss the
>> street. I have two 'lectric meat grinders, I haven't bought mystery
>> meat ever. My grandmother never bought mystery meat, my mother never
>> bought mystery meat and neither have I... I always grind my own. It's
>> no big deal, when roasts are on sale I'll buy twenty pounds worth, my
>> machine will grind five pounds a minute, and takes five minutes to
>> clean up. No mystery meat burger tastes so good as one ground not ten
>> minutes ago, and when ground yourself you can cook it as rare as you
>> like, in fact you need not cook it at all and it's still perfectly
>> safe to eat, eat it raw if that's your thing. I prefer to trim beef
>> myself, I don't want any tendons, silver skin, gristle, and tumors in
>> my ground beef. And if making meat loaf/meat-a-balles think of all
>> the knife work saved by grinding the veggies and bread too. I'm
>> always shocked at how many who think they're a cook who don't own a
>> meat grinder... anyone who doesn't own a meat grinder is no kind of
>> cook, and a food processor does not substitute for a meat grinder, no
>> way, no how. In fact I'm always suspect of those who use food
>> processors, means they have no knife skills... someone who's
>> proficient with cutlery would not ever want a food processor, they'd
>> be embarassed to own one, and should be very ashamed.
>>
>>
>
> "Wall of text."
> Will read this later.
>
Mmmm hmmm...

Ayup...