Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 00:54:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> snip
>>
> One of the Janets
>> was being nasty to me and implied that I thought it was all about *me*. I
>> replied to her and said that I had not said that. Meaning that I thought it
>> was all about me. I most certainly *did* call her a bitch and tell her to
>> FOAD. I don't even mind repeating that part again and again. That's just
>> how I feel.
>
> A Princess would never say it was all about her. A Princess would
> never think it was all about her. That is just the way a Princess
> operates. A Princess sees what affects her and little else.
> Janet US

I'm curious in how long you've been practicing psychology and where you
matriculated?

Cheri wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>>Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Janet was correct (of course). You denied saying it, even though it
>>>> was plain to see that you /did/ tell her to die. So where do the
>>>> attributions alter that fact? No admission of clearly being wrong, let
>>>> alone an apology, of course.
>>>
>>> Give her a break. She didn't remember writing that. That is a perfectly
>>> valid reason for her to get tripped up in her lies.
>>
>> There were no lies.
>
>It doesn't matter. Dave will respond to anything you say whether or not he
>gets it right or wrong. He simply cannot control himself.

I think Dave behaves around Julie like Conan O'Brien's Bear. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-8QZ4qxtto

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Farmer's Markets are totally
> different, there many venders are selling the same produce from the
> wholesale market the stupidmarkets buy from... for the most part
> farmer's markets do not sell freshly harvested produce, in fact
> pitifully few of those venders are farmers... they're gypsy retailers
> that follow the growing seasons from place to place. Real farmers
> would have a stand on the roadside right in front of their farm, like
> the U-PICK farms, plenty of those here too.

You may be partially correct. However, the Ann Arbor Farmer's
Market requires that vendors grow the produce that they sell. Space
in the market is coveted (and expensive); the same farmers are at the
market every year.

There's a produce market up the road from me that sells a variety:
some things grown locally (everything from cauliflower to tomatoes)
and some things they buy at the produce terminal (lemons, bananas,
lettuce, etc.) They'd be foolish not to make their market a one-stop
shop for produce.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:34:17 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

snip
>This web site depicts one of the larger farm stand operations where I
>live:
>http://www.stantonsfeurafarm.com/

That is quite a business! We have a couple of operations similar in a
much smaller way. One uses thermal water for year-round produce.
Janet US

On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever seen
> one.

Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many opportunities
to see them.

Cindy Hamilton

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 00:54:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> snip
>>
> One of the Janets
>>was being nasty to me and implied that I thought it was all about *me*. I
>>replied to her and said that I had not said that. Meaning that I thought
>>it
>>was all about me. I most certainly *did* call her a bitch and tell her to
>>FOAD. I don't even mind repeating that part again and again. That's just
>>how I feel.
>
> A Princess would never say it was all about her. A Princess would
> never think it was all about her. That is just the way a Princess
> operates. A Princess sees what affects her and little else.
> Janet US

How would you know?

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 2015-08-16 5:19 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> >> I won't bother to look it up but I'm pretty sure at some point you've
>> >> mentioned what some folks call vegetable stands. Specifically places
>> >> where vegetables were left out on tables in the sun with no attendant,
>> >> just an honor box for paying for whatever is purchased.
>> >>
>> >> I've never seen one of *those*. The farm/vegetable stands around here
>> >> always have someone in attendance. They also have canopies erected
>> >> over
>> >> the tables to keep the produce in the shade.
>> >
>> >
>> > Our local vegetable stand is often unattended. Sometimes you can push
>> > the
>> > button to ring a bell and the owner will come out. Other times they
>> > have a
>> > cash box with a slot and there is an honour system. My son remarked on
>> > that one day. I don't remember if he was living in Montreal or Toronto
>> > at
>> > the time, but he said that where he lived no one in their right mind
>> > would
>> > leave goods for sale on an honour system, and the money box would have
>> > disappeared in minutes. We live in an area where were can leave our
>> > doors
>> > unlocked even if we are not home.
>>
>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever
>> seen
>> one.
>
> Google "vegetable stand"; you might come up with something like this:
>
> <https://www.colourbox.com/image/fresh-rural-produce-and-vegetable-stand-image-4739373>

I did. We have nothing like that here. We are also not in a rural area.

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>> al size.
>>
>> Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a yearly
>> task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then
>> had
>> to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some
>> topsoil
>> to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>>
> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>
> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
> own fruit and veg.

I am speaking the truth. I have no clue how your soil is there or what you
do to it. The rocks don't "grow". The earth pushes them up. You're an
idiot.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:16:40 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>> > al size.
>> >
>> > Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a
>> > yearly
>> > task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then
>> > had
>> > to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some
>> > topsoil
>> > to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>> >
>> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
>> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>>
>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>> own fruit and veg.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Julie's story is just that...a story. Anyone who gardens could see right
> through it. Try again Julie, maybe you'll be more believable if you
> just said "We never tried to garden", "as we didn't want the bother".
> ===

Anyone who lives in *this* are would know that is what you have to do to the
soil. Some years are worse than others, depending on how the weather was.
I suppose the soil is just perfect where you are.

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:20:47 AM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>> >> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>> >> >you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow
>> >> >their
>> >> >own fruit and veg.
>> >> >
>> >> > Janet UK
>> > Julie's story is just that...a story. Anyone who gardens could see
>> > right
>> > through it. Try again Julie, maybe you'll be more believable if you
>> > just said "We never tried to garden", "as we didn't want the bother".
>>
>> You have no proof of any such thing, and you personal enmity for her is
>> the reason you spew this bilge.
>>
>> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
>
> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
> often must I say it?
> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
> ===

Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant. I
do not see you as a nice person at all.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever
>> seen
>> one.
>
> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many
> opportunities
> to see them.

Never. Why would I?

Julie Bove wrote:

>>> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
>>
>> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
>> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
>> often must I say it?
>> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
>> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
>> ===
>
> Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant.
> I do not see you as a nice person at all.


Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever seen
>> one.
>
> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many opportunities
> to see them.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

A close friend of mine lives in the same vicinity as Julie, and she has no
problems finding (or seeing) vegetable stands in their area. No need to
drive into the country for that.
--
jinx the minx

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 2:24:21 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever
> >> seen
> >> one.
> >
> > Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
> > have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many
> > opportunities
> > to see them.
>
> Never. Why would I?

There are a variety of reasons why someone would want to drive in the
country, but obviously they don't apply to you.

A nice Sunday drive
Avoiding crowded freeways
Visiting someone who lives off the beaten path

These were just the first three that my imagination cooked up.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:38:35 PM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
> >>
> >> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
> >> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
> >> often must I say it?
> >> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
> >> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
> >> ===
> >
> > Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant.
> > I do not see you as a nice person at all.
>
>
> Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...

"NOT PLEASANT" does not equal "HATE", you idiot.
===

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:22:50 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:20:47 AM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
> >> Roy wrote:
> >> >> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
> >> >> >you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow
> >> >> >their
> >> >> >own fruit and veg.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Janet UK
> >> > Julie's story is just that...a story. Anyone who gardens could see
> >> > right
> >> > through it. Try again Julie, maybe you'll be more believable if you
> >> > just said "We never tried to garden", "as we didn't want the bother".
> >>
> >> You have no proof of any such thing, and you personal enmity for her is
> >> the reason you spew this bilge.
> >>
> >> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
> >
> > I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
> > constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
> > often must I say it?
> > Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
> > interpret my postings as HATE mail?
> > ===
>
> Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant. I
> do not see you as a nice person at all.

Well, all of my girlfriends think that I am nice. Ahahahahahahahahah.
====

Roy wrote:

>>>> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
>>>> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
>>>> often must I say it?
>>>> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
>>>> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
>>>> ===
>>>
>>> Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant.
>>> I do not see you as a nice person at all.
>>
>>
>> Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...
>
> "NOT PLEASANT" does not equal "HATE", you idiot.
> ===

Oh good grief, so now you're going to dance on the head of a semantic
pin?!?!?

Let me re-quote her, since you're such an utter beefwit:

"I do not see you as a nice person at all."

Seriously man, that says it ALL.

Basta!

Roy wrote:
>>> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
>>> > >constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
>>> > >often must I say it?
>>> > >Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
>>> > >interpret my postings as HATE mail?
>>> > >===
>> >
>> >Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant. I
>> >do not see you as a nice person at all.
> Well, all of my girlfriends think that I am nice. Ahahahahahahahahah.
> ====

You just neatly hypocrisized you earlier protestation to me:

>> Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...
>
> "NOT PLEASANT" does not equal "HATE", you idiot.
> ===

Nice work you asshole, way to double down on being a liar AND a hater!

"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:20:10 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >, says...
>>>> al size.
>>>>
>>>> Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a
>>>> yearly
>>>> task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then
>>>> had
>>>> to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some
>>>> topsoil
>>>> to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>>>>
>>> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
>>> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>>>
>>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>>> own fruit and veg.
>>
>>I am speaking the truth. I have no clue how your soil is there or what
>>you
>>do to it. The rocks don't "grow". The earth pushes them up. You're an
>>idiot.
>
> We have similar conditions here in SoCal.
>
> Till the adobe, and next year,
> pick out the rocks and start over again.
>

Yep. Some people here just don't get it because they only know/see what is
in their area. So they think all other areas are the same.

On 2015-08-17 3:36 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Farmer's Markets are totally
>>> different, there many venders are selling the same produce from the
>>> wholesale market the stupidmarkets buy from... for the most part
>>> farmer's markets do not sell freshly harvested produce, in fact
>>> pitifully few of those venders are farmers... they're gypsy retailers
>>> that follow the growing seasons from place to place. Real farmers
>>> would have a stand on the roadside right in front of their farm, like
>>> the U-PICK farms, plenty of those here too.
>>
>> You may be partially correct. However, the Ann Arbor Farmer's
>> Market requires that vendors grow the produce that they sell.
>
> Same here. There's a local Farmers Market on Thursday afternoon,
> in my neighborhood, and it's is small growers with their own
> products.
>


My experience is the same as Sheldons. There are fruit and vegetable
stands on farms or set up at busy corners where farmers sell their own
produce. The local farmers' markets used to be used by a lot more of
the local farmers, all selling their own produce, so they would be more
or less seasonal, depending on what they grew. These days they act as if
they are selling their own produce, but they are selling stuff that
isn'te even grown here. In the middle of winder you can get oranges,
fresh lettuce, grapes, celery etc. They sure as heck aren't growing it
themselves. The main fruit and vegetable store near me ... not a
farmers' market... buys some produce locally, but he heads into the
Toronto Food Terminal every morning to get most of the stuff he is selling.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 2:24:21 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have
>> >> ever
>> >> seen
>> >> one.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
>> > have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many
>> > opportunities
>> > to see them.
>>
>> Never. Why would I?
>
> There are a variety of reasons why someone would want to drive in the
> country, but obviously they don't apply to you.

Obviously. I am not an outdoorsy person, nor do I like driving.
>
> A nice Sunday drive
> Avoiding crowded freeways
> Visiting someone who lives off the beaten path
>
> These were just the first three that my imagination cooked up.

None of those things would be pleasant to me. I do have a friend who lives
on an old farm that is a ways from me but I keep in touch with her online.
I have no need or desire to try to drive over there. She also has 5 kids
and I'm not a kid lover. I also don't drive on freeways unless I have no
other choice. Mostly what I need is within about a 7 mile radius of my
house so I don't venture much beyond that. I will be visiting a friend
later in the week who does live a little ways beyond that. I used to live
in that area so I know I won't get lost there. She's in the suburbs too so
no vegetable stand. Her son didn't even put a garden in this year.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever
>>> seen
>>> one.
>>
>> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
>> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many
>> opportunities
>> to see them.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> A close friend of mine lives in the same vicinity as Julie, and she has no
> problems finding (or seeing) vegetable stands in their area. No need to
> drive into the country for that.

Nonsense! You are lying. What city does this friend live in? You also
claimed that the Target in Seattle (as if there was just one) had a huge
selection of pantyhose. Another lie.

On 8/18/2015 5:12 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever seen
>>> one.
>>
>> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
>> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many opportunities
>> to see them.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> A close friend of mine lives in the same vicinity as Julie, and she has no
> problems finding (or seeing) vegetable stands in their area. No need to
> drive into the country for that.
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/17/2015 3:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2015-08-16 5:17 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Janet was correct (of course). You denied saying it, even though it
>>>> was plain to see that you /did/ tell her to die. So where do the
>>>> attributions alter that fact? No admission of clearly being wrong, let
>>>> alone an apology, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Give her a break. She didn't remember writing that. That is a
>>> perfectly valid reason for her to get tripped up in her lies.
>>
>> There were no lies.
>
> It doesn't matter. Dave will respond to anything you say whether or not
> he gets it right or wrong. He simply cannot control himself.
>
> Cheri
>>
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 3:15 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Quemado" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>> Give her a break. She didn't remember writing that. That is a
>>>>> perfectly valid reason for her to get tripped up in her lies.
>>>>
>>>> There were no lies.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter. Dave will respond to anything you say whether or not
>>> he gets it right or wrong. He simply cannot control himself.
>>
>>
>> And isn't that kind of obsessive lack of impulse control an odd thing
>> for a former peace officer to demonstrate here...
>
> That he was ever one is a scary idea for sure.
>
> Cheri
Mmmm hmmm...

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 2:09:32 PM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> >>> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
> >>> > >constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
> >>> > >often must I say it?
> >>> > >Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
> >>> > >interpret my postings as HATE mail?
> >>> > >===
> >> >
> >> >Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant. I
> >> >do not see you as a nice person at all.
> > Well, all of my girlfriends think that I am nice. Ahahahahahahahahah.
> > ====
>
> You just neatly hypocrisized you earlier protestation to me:
>
> >> Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...
> >
> > "NOT PLEASANT" does not equal "HATE", you idiot.
> > ===
>
> Nice work you asshole, way to double down on being a liar AND a hater!

Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/17/2015 2:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>> >you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>> >own fruit and veg.
> So will you vote for or against the EU?
>
> -- Bruce


Trolling again I see...

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-08-17 3:36 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> Farmer's Markets are totally
>>>> different, there many venders are selling the same produce from the
>>>> wholesale market the stupidmarkets buy from... for the most part
>>>> farmer's markets do not sell freshly harvested produce, in fact
>>>> pitifully few of those venders are farmers... they're gypsy retailers
>>>> that follow the growing seasons from place to place. Real farmers
>>>> would have a stand on the roadside right in front of their farm, like
>>>> the U-PICK farms, plenty of those here too.
>>>
>>> You may be partially correct. However, the Ann Arbor Farmer's
>>> Market requires that vendors grow the produce that they sell.
>>
>> Same here. There's a local Farmers Market on Thursday afternoon,
>> in my neighborhood, and it's is small growers with their own
>> products.
>>
>
>
> My experience is the same as Sheldons. There are fruit and vegetable
> stands on farms or set up at busy corners where farmers sell their own
> produce. The local farmers' markets used to be used by a lot more of the
> local farmers, all selling their own produce, so they would be more or
> less seasonal, depending on what they grew. These days they act as if they
> are selling their own produce, but they are selling stuff that isn'te even
> grown here. In the middle of winder you can get oranges, fresh lettuce,
> grapes, celery etc. They sure as heck aren't growing it themselves. The
> main fruit and vegetable store near me ... not a farmers' market... buys
> some produce locally, but he heads into the Toronto Food Terminal every
> morning to get most of the stuff he is selling.

We have a produce market in Lynnwood called Star Market. It's a nasty place
with a lot of rotting produce. Not much is kept refrigerated. They do sell
things other than produce but I'm not sure what all that stuff is. Some of
it is Asian, some of it is Latino. Most of the customers appear to be
Asian. They are likely buying things that are not what I would buy.

I know of two Farmer's Markets in Bothell. I have been to both. Both are
more like street fairs in that the majority of what they are selling is not
food. One even has things like a bouncy house and little cars for the kids
to ride on. There is another big on in Edmonds. Again, more like a street
fair.

Bothell also has Yakima Fruit although I don't have a clue where it is.
From what I have read online, they sell plants, seeds and produce. Not a
little stand but a big store.

There is another produce market in Edmonds. Looks nice. I have been by it
countless times and will go by again this week. I have never stopped there.
Never saw the need to. They don't seem to have anything different than the
grocery stores and their prices don't seem any better.

The produce market that was on 164th...Lynnwood? Mill Creek? Anyway... It
closed some time last year. It was a really decrepit place. They'd put
signs up for things like apples or corn for cheap. We only went there once.
It was an assortment of old lumber and makeshift tent type coverings. The
produce was sitting out, not refrigerated and rotting. And there was no
lighting under the tents so you couldn't really see what you were getting.
They also sold things other than produce. And it appeared that the majority
of the customers were kids on foot, perhaps with a grandparent. They likely
lived nearby. They were buying cold drinks or ice cream. Those things at
least looked fresh.

Probably the most well known place in this area for produce would be Pike
Place Market. I see no need to go there. I have only been there a few
times. Highly overrated, IMO. And most of what they sell, such as Beecher
cheese can be purchased at the grocery store and/or online. I don't know
how things are now if you buy produce, but the one time that my dad tried to
buy apples, the guy wouldn't let him choose his own. He asked how many he
wanted and he chose for us. He also chose bad fruit. I have never tried to
buy anything there since although I think I have been there twice since.
One time was a field trip in Jr. High. If you want to see people throwing
fish, then you might enjoy it.

On 8/17/2015 9:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2015-08-16 5:19 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I won't bother to look it up but I'm pretty sure at some point you've
>>>> mentioned what some folks call vegetable stands. Specifically places
>>>> where vegetables were left out on tables in the sun with no attendant,
>>>> just an honor box for paying for whatever is purchased.
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen one of *those*. The farm/vegetable stands around here
>>>> always have someone in attendance. They also have canopies erected over
>>>> the tables to keep the produce in the shade.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our local vegetable stand is often unattended. Sometimes you can push the
>>> button to ring a bell and the owner will come out. Other times they have a
>>> cash box with a slot and there is an honour system. My son remarked on
>>> that one day. I don't remember if he was living in Montreal or Toronto at
>>> the time, but he said that where he lived no one in their right mind would
>>> leave goods for sale on an honour system, and the money box would have
>>> disappeared in minutes. We live in an area where were can leave our doors
>>> unlocked even if we are not home.
>>
>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever seen
>> one.
>
> Google "vegetable stand"; you might come up with something like this:
>
> <https://www.colourbox.com/image/fresh-rural-produce-and-vegetable-stand-image-4739373>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 4:00 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Farmer's Markets are totally
>> different, there many venders are selling the same produce from the
>> wholesale market the stupidmarkets buy from... for the most part
>> farmer's markets do not sell freshly harvested produce, in fact
>> pitifully few of those venders are farmers... they're gypsy retailers
>> that follow the growing seasons from place to place. Real farmers
>> would have a stand on the roadside right in front of their farm, like
>> the U-PICK farms, plenty of those here too.
>
> You may be partially correct. However, the Ann Arbor Farmer's
> Market requires that vendors grow the produce that they sell. Space
> in the market is coveted (and expensive); the same farmers are at the
> market every year.
>
> There's a produce market up the road from me that sells a variety:
> some things grown locally (everything from cauliflower to tomatoes)
> and some things they buy at the produce terminal (lemons, bananas,
> lettuce, etc.) They'd be foolish not to make their market a one-stop
> shop for produce.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 4:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever seen
>> one.
>
> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many opportunities
> to see them.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 5:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 2:24:21 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever
>>>> seen
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
>>> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many
>>> opportunities
>>> to see them.
>>
>> Never. Why would I?
>
> There are a variety of reasons why someone would want to drive in the
> country, but obviously they don't apply to you.
>
> A nice Sunday drive
> Avoiding crowded freeways
> Visiting someone who lives off the beaten path
>
> These were just the first three that my imagination cooked up.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/17/2015 2:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Bothell also has Yakima Fruit although I don't have a clue where it is.
> From what I have read online, they sell plants, seeds and produce. Not
> a little stand but a big store.


It is named a fruit and vegetable stand, and it is very close to you.

I'd live dangerously and give it a look!

After all, what's to be lost????

On 8/18/2015 1:15 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 7:16:40 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>> al size.
>>>
>>> Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a yearly
>>> task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then had
>>> to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some topsoil
>>> to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>>>
>> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
>> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>>
>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>> own fruit and veg.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Julie's story is just that...a story. Anyone who gardens could see right
> through it. Try again Julie, maybe you'll be more believable if you
> just said "We never tried to garden", "as we didn't want the bother".
> ===
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 1:45 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:20:47 AM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>>>>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>>>>> own fruit and veg.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>> Julie's story is just that...a story. Anyone who gardens could see right
>>> through it. Try again Julie, maybe you'll be more believable if you
>>> just said "We never tried to garden", "as we didn't want the bother".
>>
>> You have no proof of any such thing, and you personal enmity for her is
>> the reason you spew this bilge.
>>
>> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
>
> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
> often must I say it?
> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
> ===
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 5:39 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:38:35 PM UTC-6, Quemado wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>>> **** off back to the tundra, hoser.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any personal enmity towards Julie...honestly, a little
>>>> constructive criticism can be quite helpful. I DO NOT HATE JULIE. How
>>>> often must I say it?
>>>> Ask Julie as to if I hate her or not...see what she says. Does she
>>>> interpret my postings as HATE mail?
>>>> ===
>>>
>>> Not mail, but your postings to and about me certainly are not pleasant.
>>> I do not see you as a nice person at all.
>>
>>
>> Well there you have it Roy, not much more to be said...
>
> "NOT PLEASANT" does not equal "HATE", you idiot.
> ===
>
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 5:39 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:20:10 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> In article >, says...
>>>> al size.
>>>>
>>>> Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a yearly
>>>> task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then
>>>> had
>>>> to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some
>>>> topsoil
>>>> to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>>>>
>>> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
>>> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>>>
>>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>>> own fruit and veg.
>>
>> I am speaking the truth. I have no clue how your soil is there or what you
>> do to it. The rocks don't "grow". The earth pushes them up. You're an
>> idiot.
>
> We have similar conditions here in SoCal.
>
> Till the adobe, and next year,
> pick out the rocks and start over again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Mmmm hmmm...

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> What exactly is a vegetable stand? I seriously don't think I have ever >>> seen
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, how often do you drive out in the country where farmers
>>> have their vegetable stands? Perhaps you just don't have many >> opportunities
>>> to see them.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> A close friend of mine lives in the same vicinity as Julie, and she has no
>> problems finding (or seeing) vegetable stands in their area. No need to
>> drive into the country for that.
>
> Nonsense! You are lying. What city does this friend live in? You also
> claimed that the Target in Seattle (as if there was just one) had a huge
> selection of pantyhose. Another lie.


She's lived in Lynwood, Edmonds, Bothell(!), Seattle....... So whatever.
Next time I'm out in the next few months, I'll take photographic proof--of
both. Then we'll see who's the liar.
--
jinx the minx

On 8/18/2015 6:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2015-08-17 3:36 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> Farmer's Markets are totally
>>>>> different, there many venders are selling the same produce from the
>>>>> wholesale market the stupidmarkets buy from... for the most part
>>>>> farmer's markets do not sell freshly harvested produce, in fact
>>>>> pitifully few of those venders are farmers... they're gypsy retailers
>>>>> that follow the growing seasons from place to place. Real farmers
>>>>> would have a stand on the roadside right in front of their farm, like
>>>>> the U-PICK farms, plenty of those here too.
>>>>
>>>> You may be partially correct. However, the Ann Arbor Farmer's
>>>> Market requires that vendors grow the produce that they sell.
>>>
>>> Same here. There's a local Farmers Market on Thursday afternoon,
>>> in my neighborhood, and it's is small growers with their own
>>> products.
>>>
>>
>>
>> My experience is the same as Sheldons. There are fruit and vegetable
>> stands on farms or set up at busy corners where farmers sell their own
>> produce. The local farmers' markets used to be used by a lot more of
>> the local farmers, all selling their own produce, so they would be
>> more or less seasonal, depending on what they grew. These days they
>> act as if they are selling their own produce, but they are selling
>> stuff that isn'te even grown here. In the middle of winder you can get
>> oranges, fresh lettuce, grapes, celery etc. They sure as heck aren't
>> growing it themselves. The main fruit and vegetable store near me ...
>> not a farmers' market... buys some produce locally, but he heads into
>> the Toronto Food Terminal every morning to get most of the stuff he is
>> selling.
>
> We have a produce market in Lynnwood called Star Market. It's a nasty
> place with a lot of rotting produce. Not much is kept refrigerated.
> They do sell things other than produce but I'm not sure what all that
> stuff is. Some of it is Asian, some of it is Latino. Most of the
> customers appear to be Asian. They are likely buying things that are
> not what I would buy.
>
> I know of two Farmer's Markets in Bothell. I have been to both. Both
> are more like street fairs in that the majority of what they are selling
> is not food. One even has things like a bouncy house and little cars
> for the kids to ride on. There is another big on in Edmonds. Again,
> more like a street fair.
>
> Bothell also has Yakima Fruit although I don't have a clue where it is.
> From what I have read online, they sell plants, seeds and produce. Not
> a little stand but a big store.
>
> There is another produce market in Edmonds. Looks nice. I have been by
> it countless times and will go by again this week. I have never stopped
> there. Never saw the need to. They don't seem to have anything
> different than the grocery stores and their prices don't seem any better.
>
> The produce market that was on 164th...Lynnwood? Mill Creek?
> Anyway... It closed some time last year. It was a really decrepit
> place. They'd put signs up for things like apples or corn for cheap.
> We only went there once. It was an assortment of old lumber and
> makeshift tent type coverings. The produce was sitting out, not
> refrigerated and rotting. And there was no lighting under the tents so
> you couldn't really see what you were getting. They also sold things
> other than produce. And it appeared that the majority of the customers
> were kids on foot, perhaps with a grandparent. They likely lived
> nearby. They were buying cold drinks or ice cream. Those things at
> least looked fresh.
>
> Probably the most well known place in this area for produce would be
> Pike Place Market. I see no need to go there. I have only been there a
> few times. Highly overrated, IMO. And most of what they sell, such as
> Beecher cheese can be purchased at the grocery store and/or online. I
> don't know how things are now if you buy produce, but the one time that
> my dad tried to buy apples, the guy wouldn't let him choose his own. He
> asked how many he wanted and he chose for us. He also chose bad fruit.
> I have never tried to buy anything there since although I think I have
> been there twice since. One time was a field trip in Jr. High. If you
> want to see people throwing fish, then you might enjoy it.
Mmmm hmmm...

On 8/18/2015 6:27 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:16:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>> al size.
>>>
>>> Ours here is just very rocky. When we did have a garden, it was a yearly
>>> task to dig down about 2-3 feet and sort out all of the soil. We then had
>>> to find a place to put the rocks. And then we had to haul in some topsoil
>>> to make up the difference. It was quite a process.
>>>
>> and a year later, the rocks had grown all over again, so you had to
>> repeat the same process all over again, every year, year after year?
>>
>> Do you have even the faintest clue what kind of a fool you look when
>> you post such nonsense on a cooking group where many people grow their
>> own fruit and veg.
>
> So will you vote for or against the EU?
>
Mmmm hmmm...