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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 2:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 10:18 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 2:11 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 12:03 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 12:45:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>> out of >>>>>> favor >>>>>> is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to fresh >>>>>> stuff. >>>>>> Take that away from people and canned foods will be a godsend. Canned >>>>>> foods are important during disasters and wars. It was originally >>>>>> designed to support military troops in the field and it still serves >>>>>> that purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>> can foods have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned >>>>>> foods have sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>> >>>>> It's wonderful how you're always prepared for famine, disaster and >>>>> war, but why not start eating survival food when they actually occur? >>>> >>>> We keep a good store of dried and canned stuff and of course I have to >>>> rotate it somewhat, but fortunately it doesn't have to be done too >>>> often  >>>> >>>> >>> >>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a year's >>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot of >>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >> >> Wait...Samoans are preppers? > > A great many are members of the LDS church. The church stresses > preparedness and self-reliance. Aha, that 'splains it then. No one does pantry more efficiently than Mormons. > Pretty much the opposite of this group. > Hee hee. To be sure! |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message > ... >> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can lining >>>>> >> >itself >>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>> >> >boiling >>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and vegetables >>>>> are >>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>> value. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>> identical, >>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as farming >>>>> >> >for >>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst farming >>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have sugar >>>>> in >> >and >>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all generalisation. >> >>>>> >Obviously >>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>> can't >> >get >>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will see >>>>> >> >no >>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>> uses >>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made all >>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next day, it >>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle for a >>>>> >> few >>>>> >> extra years. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some canned >>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> J. >>>>> > >>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon after >>>>> it's >>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next day. >>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>> think of > at >>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>> > >>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>> out > of >>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>> fresh >>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>> godsend. >>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>> originally >>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>> serves > that >>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on can >>>>> > foods >>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods have >>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>> >>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie corn >>>>> off the >>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the cupboard >>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone out >>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there is no >>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would be my >>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>> >>> Do you like canned corn? >>> >> >> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. > > I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite plus > > > Does that qualify as a canned remark? ;-) |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message > >> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a year's >> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot of >> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! > > I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot before > you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, > just do it bit by bit. > > Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to use and > buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a > major undertaking. It is a work in progress. > > > Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a local food bank, then reload, etc. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>> lining >>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>> value. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as farming >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst farming >>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have sugar >>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all generalisation. >> >>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will >>>>>>> see no >>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>>>> uses >>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made all >>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle for a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some canned >>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon after >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>> day. >>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>> originally >>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on can >>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods have >>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie corn >>>>>>> off the >>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the cupboard >>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone >>>>>> out >>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>> is no >>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would be my >>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>> >>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>> >>> >>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >> >> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( > > I weep for the freshness lost also. Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 10:31 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message >> >>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a year's >>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot of >>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >> >> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >> before >> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >> just do it bit by bit. >> >> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to use and >> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >> >> >> > > You're a lot more organized than I. I just grab cans when I need it. > Mostly, all I use is canned corn, canned tomatoes, and canned beans. > Sometimes it's spaghetti sauce but those three are the holy trinity of the > church of the latter-day pantry. I know )-- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can lining >>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>> >> >boiling >>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and vegetables >>>>>> are >>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>> value. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>> identical, >>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as farming >>>>>> >> >for >>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst farming >>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have sugar >>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all generalisation. >> >>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will see >>>>>> >> >no >>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>>> uses >>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made all >>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next day, >>>>>> >> it >>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle for a >>>>>> >> few >>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some canned >>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> J. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon after >>>>>> it's >>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next day. >>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>> think of > at >>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>> out > of >>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>> fresh >>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>> godsend. >>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>> originally >>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>> serves > that >>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on can >>>>>> > foods >>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods have >>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie corn >>>>>> off the >>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the cupboard >>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone out >>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there is no >>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would be my >>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>> >>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>> >>> >>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >> >> I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite >> plus >> >> >> > Does that qualify as a canned remark? > > ;-) No but it might have been a bit corny ;-) -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message >> >>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a year's >>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot of >>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >> >> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >> before >> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >> just do it bit by bit. >> >> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to use and >> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >> >> >> > Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a local > food bank, then reload, etc. I suppose you could if you really wanted but ohhhh the work and cost that would involve ... -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst farming >>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have sugar >>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all generalisation. >> >>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will >>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made all >>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie >>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the cupboard >>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>>> is no >>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>> be my >>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>> >>>> >>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>> >>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >> >> I weep for the freshness lost also. > > Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs WTF?!?! Glad Wrap will expire? Dang. I'm bummed now. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message > ... >> On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>> lining >>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>> >> >boiling >>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>> value. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as farming >>>>>>> >> >for >>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst farming >>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have sugar >>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all generalisation. >> >>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> >> >no >>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>>>> uses >>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made all >>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>> day, >> it >>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle for a >>>>>>> >> few >>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some canned >>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon after >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>> day. >>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>> originally >>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on can >>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods have >>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie corn >>>>>>> off the >>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the cupboard >>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone >>>>>> out >>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>> is no >>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would be my >>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>> >>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>> >>> I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite >>> plus >>> >>> >>> >> Does that qualify as a canned remark? >> >> ;-) > > No but it might have been a bit corny ;-) > Har! There's a kernel of truth in that... ;-) |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 3:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message > ... >> On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>> >>>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a year's >>>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot of >>>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >>> >>> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >>> before >>> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >>> just do it bit by bit. >>> >>> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to use and >>> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >>> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >>> >>> >>> >> Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a >> local food bank, then reload, etc. > > I suppose you could if you really wanted but ohhhh the work and cost > that would involve ... > > True enough, but it feels good to know someone in need is getting fed. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously you >>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will >>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for some >>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the ingredients to >>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie >>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>> >>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>> >>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >> >> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs > > > WTF?!?! > > Glad Wrap will expire? > > Dang. > > I'm bummed now. I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was kind thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just kidding. Hee hee. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You will >>>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the >>>>>>>>>> ingredients to >>>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to >>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie >>>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have gone >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>> >>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>> >>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>> >>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >> >> >> WTF?!?! >> >> Glad Wrap will expire? >> >> Dang. >> >> I'm bummed now. > > I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was kind > thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most > people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just > kidding. Hee hee. We had this food service sized Reynolds plastic wrap from Sam's Club that lasted something like a decade. I guess you could say we're not real big plastic wrap users. It got so old the cardboard dispense yellowed and started to delaminate. But the pineapple, that is sad. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>> >>>> >>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>> >>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >> >> I weep for the freshness lost also. > > Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of expired pineapple ... have you? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>> >>>> I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite >>>> plus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Does that qualify as a canned remark? >>> >>> ;-) >> >> No but it might have been a bit corny ;-) >> > > Har! > > There's a kernel of truth in that... > > ;-) 'ear, 'ear cob ber ! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Bruce" > wrote in message news  > On Mon, 18 May 2015 21:30:39 +0100, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 14:08:18 +0100, "Ophelia" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message m... >>>>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 12:05:18 +0100, "Ophelia" > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message >>>>>>news:22hjlat8itnso9v07cugu1mvf5sii90hv2@4ax. com... >>>>>>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 11:41:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>lol one way of putting it. But one thing, some folk I have read >>>>>>>>about >>>>>>>>seem to think that anything will do for storage so long as they have >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>back up, but they need to understand, if you don't like it before >>>>>>>>you need >>>>>>>>it, you sure as heck won't like it after ) So, eating 'storage'>>>>>>>>food >>>>>>>>isn't bad but fresh is nicer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But in most countries that disaster will never hit, unless it's a 1 >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> 2 day power outage or flood or similar, so it's more psychological >>>>>>> anyway >>>>>> >>>>>>If you can't get out for some reason; have a big bill or want to buy >>>>>>something and not break into savings ... I have always kept good >>>>>>stock >>>>>>in and has served me well >>>>> >>>>> True. We sometimes get cut of by floods and there are monster flus >>>>> lurking out there. >>>> >>>> A case in point errrr wassa flus?>>> >>> Lol, I wasn't sure how to spell it. The plural of flu as in influenza. >>> I didn't want to end up with part of the fireplace. >> >>Ok I promise I won't mess up the draught in your chimney ... <g> >>I reckon you get my point though. Being prepared is not only for the >>world >>caves in )> > No, I understand okiedokie ;-) -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 3:06 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>> >>>>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a >>>>> year's >>>>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a lot >>>>> of >>>>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >>>> >>>> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >>>> before >>>> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >>>> just do it bit by bit. >>>> >>>> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to use >>>> and >>>> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >>>> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a >>> local food bank, then reload, etc. >> >> I suppose you could if you really wanted but ohhhh the work and cost >> that would involve ... >> >> > True enough, but it feels good to know someone in need is getting fed. Of course and we give plenty to charity, but why would I empty my store. Would you give your house away? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 11:18 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, >>>>>>>>>>> preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to above >>>>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less nutritional >>>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean type >>>>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the >>>>>>>>>>> ingredients to >>>>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the next >>>>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I can >>>>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and >>>>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie >>>>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful for. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have >>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>> >>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>> >>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>> >>> >>> WTF?!?! >>> >>> Glad Wrap will expire? >>> >>> Dang. >>> >>> I'm bummed now. >> >> I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was kind >> thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most >> people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just >> kidding. Hee hee. > > We had this food service sized Reynolds plastic wrap from Sam's Club > that lasted something like a decade. I guess you could say we're not > real big plastic wrap users. It got so old the cardboard dispense > yellowed and started to delaminate. > > But the pineapple, that is sad. I got the Kirkland brand Stretch-tite wrap in the 3000 feet roll. It's great stuff - they don't call it stretch-tite for nothing! I'll probably delaminate before that box does. Hee hee. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 11:21 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message > >>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>> >>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>> >>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >> >> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs > > Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of > expired > pineapple ... have you? > I feel it's pain. :-( |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 11:21 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message >> >>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>> >>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>> >>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>> >>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >> >> Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of >> expired >> pineapple ... have you? >> > > I feel it's pain. :-( Ow ow ow ... -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 5/18/2015 3:21 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message > >>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite >>>>> plus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Does that qualify as a canned remark? >>>> >>>> ;-) >>> >>> No but it might have been a bit corny ;-) >>> >> >> Har! >> >> There's a kernel of truth in that... >> >> ;-) > > 'ear, 'ear cob ber ! > She said in a husky voice... |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 3:24 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message > ... >> On 5/18/2015 3:06 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a >>>>>> year's >>>>>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a >>>>>> lot of >>>>>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >>>>> >>>>> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >>>>> before >>>>> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >>>>> just do it bit by bit. >>>>> >>>>> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to >>>>> use and >>>>> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >>>>> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a >>>> local food bank, then reload, etc. >>> >>> I suppose you could if you really wanted but ohhhh the work and cost >>> that would involve ... >>> >>> >> True enough, but it feels good to know someone in need is getting fed. > > Of course and we give plenty to charity, but why would I empty my store. > Would you give your house away? > What I like to do is sett all the pantry items free every couple of years prior to expiry dates. It's liberating! |
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On 5/18/2015 3:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 11:18 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, >>>>>>>>>>>> preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to >>>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less >>>>>>>>>>>> nutritional >>>>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to know. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean >>>>>>>>>>>> type >>>>>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for >>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans made >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the >>>>>>>>>>>> ingredients to >>>>>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the >>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and >>>>>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it still >>>>>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks >>>>>>>>>>>> down on >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned foods >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn (ie >>>>>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful >>>>>>>>>>>> for. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have >>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, there >>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think >>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>>> >>>> >>>> WTF?!?! >>>> >>>> Glad Wrap will expire? >>>> >>>> Dang. >>>> >>>> I'm bummed now. >>> >>> I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was kind >>> thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most >>> people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just >>> kidding. Hee hee. >> >> We had this food service sized Reynolds plastic wrap from Sam's Club >> that lasted something like a decade. I guess you could say we're not >> real big plastic wrap users. It got so old the cardboard dispense >> yellowed and started to delaminate. >> >> But the pineapple, that is sad. > > I got the Kirkland brand Stretch-tite wrap in the 3000 feet roll. It's > great stuff - they don't call it stretch-tite for nothing! I'll probably > delaminate before that box does. Hee hee. LOL! Kirkland makes a lot of really great stuff. I think that's what we're using now - yellow and blue box, iirc. |
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On 5/18/2015 3:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 11:21 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message >> >>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>> >>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>> >>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>> >>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >> >> Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of >> expired >> pineapple ... have you? >> > > I feel it's pain. :-( And really the pineapple is such a happy fruit, not at all mopey or taciturn as Mangoes can sometimes be. |
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On 5/18/2015 11:42 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 3:33 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 11:18 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, >>>>>>>>>>>>> preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the can >>>>>>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to >>>>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less >>>>>>>>>>>>> nutritional >>>>>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great quantity of >>>>>>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> know. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean >>>>>>>>>>>>> type >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for >>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans >>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the next >>>>>>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the >>>>>>>>>>>>> ingredients to >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the bottle >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky soon >>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the >>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and >>>>>>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It was >>>>>>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks >>>>>>>>>>>>> down on >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned >>>>>>>>>>>>> foods >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn >>>>>>>>>>>>> (ie >>>>>>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful >>>>>>>>>>>>> for. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have >>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice would >>>>>>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think >>>>>> not. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WTF?!?! >>>>> >>>>> Glad Wrap will expire? >>>>> >>>>> Dang. >>>>> >>>>> I'm bummed now. >>>> >>>> I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was kind >>>> thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most >>>> people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just >>>> kidding. Hee hee. >>> >>> We had this food service sized Reynolds plastic wrap from Sam's Club >>> that lasted something like a decade. I guess you could say we're not >>> real big plastic wrap users. It got so old the cardboard dispense >>> yellowed and started to delaminate. >>> >>> But the pineapple, that is sad. >> >> I got the Kirkland brand Stretch-tite wrap in the 3000 feet roll. It's >> great stuff - they don't call it stretch-tite for nothing! I'll probably >> delaminate before that box does. Hee hee. > > LOL! > > Kirkland makes a lot of really great stuff. > > I think that's what we're using now - yellow and blue box, iirc. That would be right. It also has a neat sliding blade thingie. Everybody should have one of these in their home! |
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On 5/18/2015 11:43 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 3:34 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 11:21 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>> >>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>> >>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>> >>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think not. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>> >>> Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of >>> expired >>> pineapple ... have you? >>> >> >> I feel it's pain. :-( > > And really the pineapple is such a happy fruit, not at all mopey or > taciturn as Mangoes can sometimes be. The mangoes here are pretty happy. The ones that I see in the stores are pretty damn sad. They don't even qualify as a mango the way I see it. The same goes for those pathetic avocados that they ship in from the Americas. Why do they ever bother with that? The ones that people grow in their backyards here are ridiculously huge. |
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On 5/18/2015 3:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 11:42 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 3:33 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 11:18 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>> On 5/18/2015 3:16 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On 5/18/2015 11:08 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>> On 5/18/2015 3:03 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:49 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 10:17 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:07 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2015 9:57 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC-10, JRStern >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:49:02 +0100, Tim w >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Stuff that's added to the can: salt, sugar, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> preservatives, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >antioxidants, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >oil and there is some concern about chemicals from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >(BPA for instance). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The canning process: sterilisation requires heating to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>>>>> boiling >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >point under high pressure. That's why canned fruit and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >cooked almost to mush. That's why they have less >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutritional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >The produce itself: farming to produce a great >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantity of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> identical, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >bland, faultless, regular sized items is not the same as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >quality produce. It actually requires many of the worst >>>>>>>>>>>>>> farming >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >practices in terms of chemical use and seed quality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Taste and texture. Should be self-evident. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Obviously not all cans are the same. Not all of them have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >some contain organic produce, so this is all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generalisation. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >eating second rate food isn't going to kill you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >> >get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >exotic fruits fresh, local, and year-round anywhere. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >sources cited here. google it yourself if you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Tim W >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Some stuff works reasonably well in cans - pork and bean >>>>>>>>>>>>>> type >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> products, canned salmon - no it's not fresh salmon but for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> it's great. I don't think I've ever had pork and beans >>>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> fresh, from fresh beans, made within the hour, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just like a lot of Chinese food really *is* better the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> benefits in many ways from the time it takes the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ingredients to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> interact. Or wine that benefits from sitting in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> extra years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just saying that there's no problem in principle, for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> canned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> foods being quite OK. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> J. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In this part of the world, Chinese food just turns icky >>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > served. I can't think of any that would be much good the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Stuffed bittermelon might be OK but that's the only dish I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of > at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the moment. Give me some time to think of others. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out > of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > favor is because most everybody has refrigeration and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > stuff. Take that away from people and canned foods will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> godsend. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Canned foods are important during disasters and wars. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > designed to support military troops in the field and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves > that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> down on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > foods >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> foods >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very well said. The only veg I prefer canned is sweet corn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cob) but in lean times. who knows what we would be grateful >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was looking for some canned corn last night but alas, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> cupboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> was bare. If I had a cornfield behind the condo, I would have >>>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> into the warm tropical night and picked it. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>>> field back there. OTOH, I'm not that big on veggies. Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> be my >>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite vegetable. Hee hee. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WTF?!?! >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad Wrap will expire? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dang. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm bummed now. >>>>> >>>>> I had some really old Glad Wrap from my late father-in-law. It was >>>>> kind >>>>> thick and didn't feel real stretchy but it was OK. My guess is most >>>>> people will be survived by their food warp. Now I'm bummed - just >>>>> kidding. Hee hee. >>>> >>>> We had this food service sized Reynolds plastic wrap from Sam's Club >>>> that lasted something like a decade. I guess you could say we're not >>>> real big plastic wrap users. It got so old the cardboard dispense >>>> yellowed and started to delaminate. >>>> >>>> But the pineapple, that is sad. >>> >>> I got the Kirkland brand Stretch-tite wrap in the 3000 feet roll. It's >>> great stuff - they don't call it stretch-tite for nothing! I'll probably >>> delaminate before that box does. Hee hee. >> >> LOL! >> >> Kirkland makes a lot of really great stuff. >> >> I think that's what we're using now - yellow and blue box, iirc. > > That would be right. It also has a neat sliding blade thingie. Everybody > should have one of these in their home! That's the one, yes! That cutter is the bomb, so much better than the serrated edge finger nicker. |
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On 5/18/2015 3:51 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2015 11:43 AM, Cabrito del Bosque wrote: >> On 5/18/2015 3:34 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On 5/18/2015 11:21 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>> >>>>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But what if it's those blue lake green beans? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I am sad... very sad. :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> I weep for the freshness lost also. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anything sadder than an expired can of pineapple? I think >>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs >>>> >>>> Oh dear, I have never given any thought for the feelings of a can of >>>> expired >>>> pineapple ... have you? >>>> >>> >>> I feel it's pain. :-( >> >> And really the pineapple is such a happy fruit, not at all mopey or >> taciturn as Mangoes can sometimes be. > > The mangoes here are pretty happy. I would bet they are! > The ones that I see in the stores are > pretty damn sad. They don't even qualify as a mango the way I see it. Lol, their bruised nature just makes them something to avoid, even for a smoothie. > The same goes for those pathetic avocados that they ship in from the > Americas. Why do they ever bother with that? The ones that people grow > in their backyards here are ridiculously huge. I've seen some of that and you are right. Ah volcanic soil, wondrous stuff. Otoh, I have some problems with black sand beaches, it's almost like walking on a photo negative. |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > "Bruce" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 18 May 2015 11:41:52 +0100, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"Bruce" > wrote in message ... >>>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 11:03:04 +0100, "Ophelia" > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message om... >>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 12:45:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>>>out >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>favor >>>>>>>is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to fresh >>>>>>>stuff. >>>>>>>Take that away from people and canned foods will be a godsend. Canned >>>>>>>foods are important during disasters and wars. It was originally >>>>>>>designed to support military troops in the field and it still serves >>>>>>>that purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>can foods have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned >>>>>>>foods have sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's wonderful how you're always prepared for famine, disaster and >>>>>> war, but why not start eating survival food when they actually occur? >>>>> >>>>>We keep a good store of dried and canned stuff and of course I have to >>>>>rotate it somewhat, but fortunately it doesn't have to be done too >>>>>often >>>> >>>> I guess one doesn't want to eat survival rotation food all the time or >>>> surviving wouldn't be much fun. >>> >>>lol one way of putting it. But one thing, some folk I have read about >>>seem >>>to think that anything will do for storage so long as they have that back >>>up, but they need to understand, if you don't like it before you need it, >>>you sure as heck won't like it after ) So, eating 'storage' food isn't >>>bad >>>but fresh is nicer >> >> But in most countries that disaster will never hit, unless it's a 1 or >> 2 day power outage or flood or similar, so it's more psychological >> anyway > > If you can't get out for some reason; have a big bill or want to buy > something and not break into savings ... I have always kept good stock in > and has served me well Yes! You never know when someone might get sick or go into the hospital. In some cases you'll be stuck at home with them or going to the hospital so often there is no time to go buy food. |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > On 2015-05-18 7:53 AM, Bruce wrote: >> On Mon, 18 May 2015 04:08:58 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > >>> When I was attempting to eat the raw vegan diet, some of those people >>> were >>> so hard core they said that if a disaster befell them, they would simply >>> fast and eat nothing. They considered that better than eating what they >>> considered to be poison. >> >> Even though the poison would keep them alive. > > You're talking Julie's peers It is a very shallow area of the gene pool > and they would be doing the world a favour. None of those people were my peers. |
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> wrote in message ... > Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot > veggies. No! Those have to be used outside and there is propane. I am fine eating stuff raw or straight from the can. Not a big deal. Most of the time when I do eat canned vegetables, I just open, drain and eat. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 5:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > wrote in message > ... >> Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot >> veggies. > > No! Those have to be used outside and there is propane. I am fine > eating stuff raw or straight from the can. Not a big deal. Most of the > time when I do eat canned vegetables, I just open, drain and eat. No, you can use one inside if a window is open nearby. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 5:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot >>> veggies. >> >> No! Those have to be used outside and there is propane. I am fine >> eating stuff raw or straight from the can. Not a big deal. Most of the >> time when I do eat canned vegetables, I just open, drain and eat. > > No, you can use one inside if a window is open nearby. That would not be likely to happen! Generally when we lose power it is because it is cold and windy, rainy, snowy... |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:24:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > wrote in message ... >> Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot >> veggies. > >No! Those have to be used outside It's quite safe inside a house if you're only heating something up for a few minutes. |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On Mon, 18 May 2015 17:11:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... >> On 5/18/2015 5:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot >>>> veggies. >>> >>> No! Those have to be used outside and there is propane. I am fine >>> eating stuff raw or straight from the can. Not a big deal. Most of the >>> time when I do eat canned vegetables, I just open, drain and eat. >> >> No, you can use one inside if a window is open nearby. > >That would not be likely to happen! Generally when we lose power it is >because it is cold and windy, rainy, snowy... Well, just pretend to open the window if it's cold and windy, rainy, snowy... |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
On 5/18/2015 6:11 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message > ... >> On 5/18/2015 5:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Julie, get a Coleman stove to use when the power is off and have hot >>>> veggies. >>> >>> No! Those have to be used outside and there is propane. I am fine >>> eating stuff raw or straight from the can. Not a big deal. Most of the >>> time when I do eat canned vegetables, I just open, drain and eat. >> >> No, you can use one inside if a window is open nearby. > > That would not be likely to happen! Really? > Generally when we lose power it is > because it is cold and windy, rainy, snowy... Oh heavens! |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 3:21 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >> >>>>>>>> Do you like canned corn? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Typically, if I open a can and see corn, I'm happy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am glad it doesn't take too much to make you happy <g> A definite >>>>>> plus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Does that qualify as a canned remark? >>>>> >>>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> No but it might have been a bit corny ;-) >>>> >>> >>> Har! >>> >>> There's a kernel of truth in that... >>> >>> ;-) >> >> 'ear, 'ear cob ber ! >> > She said in a husky voice... This is going on far too long for a single episode, it should be cerealised. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message ... > On 5/18/2015 3:24 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 5/18/2015 3:06 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 5/18/2015 2:31 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>>>> You got it too easy. A lot of Samoans around here have to keep a >>>>>>> year's >>>>>>> supply of food in their houses. Rotating that stock would take a >>>>>>> lot of >>>>>>> time and eatin'. Now that's a stockpile! >>>>>> >>>>>> I keep several months supply but you don't have to use the whole lot >>>>>> before >>>>>> you can start again you know?? You don't have to eat the lot at once, >>>>>> just do it bit by bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once a month (for example) you take a few tins from the shelf to >>>>>> use and >>>>>> buy replacements which you put at the back of the shelf. It isn't a >>>>>> major undertaking. It is a work in progress. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Plus the really good thing you can do is donate a year's supply to a >>>>> local food bank, then reload, etc. >>>> >>>> I suppose you could if you really wanted but ohhhh the work and cost >>>> that would involve ... >>>> >>>> >>> True enough, but it feels good to know someone in need is getting fed. >> >> Of course and we give plenty to charity, but why would I empty my store. >> Would you give your house away? >> > > What I like to do is sett all the pantry items free every couple of years > prior to expiry dates. > > It's liberating! Good for you. I won't ask what will happen should tragedy arise just after your clearout. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"dsi1" > wrote in message ... >>> I got the Kirkland brand Stretch-tite wrap in the 3000 feet roll. It's >>> great stuff - they don't call it stretch-tite for nothing! I'll probably >>> delaminate before that box does. Hee hee. >> >> LOL! >> >> Kirkland makes a lot of really great stuff. >> >> I think that's what we're using now - yellow and blue box, iirc. > > That would be right. It also has a neat sliding blade thingie. Everybody > should have one of these in their home! I have one of those but the slidey thingy broke, so I stretch the wrap over it and run a knife blade along the groove. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Why canned food is not as good as fresh
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... >> >> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 11:41:52 +0100, "Ophelia" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message m... >>>>> On Mon, 18 May 2015 11:03:04 +0100, "Ophelia" > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message >>>>>>news:sp6ilahmc6vt0bmgu882c3iuflfsj1p6k3@4ax. com... >>>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 12:45:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't have any problem with canned foods. The reason it's fallen >>>>>>>>out >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>favor >>>>>>>>is because most everybody has refrigeration and access to fresh >>>>>>>>stuff. >>>>>>>>Take that away from people and canned foods will be a godsend. >>>>>>>>Canned >>>>>>>>foods are important during disasters and wars. It was originally >>>>>>>>designed to support military troops in the field and it still serves >>>>>>>>that purpose well, over 200 years later. Anybody that looks down on >>>>>>>>can foods have had too easy of a life. The reality is that canned >>>>>>>>foods have sustained life, not shortened it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's wonderful how you're always prepared for famine, disaster and >>>>>>> war, but why not start eating survival food when they actually >>>>>>> occur? >>>>>> >>>>>>We keep a good store of dried and canned stuff and of course I have to >>>>>>rotate it somewhat, but fortunately it doesn't have to be done too >>>>>>often >>>>> >>>>> I guess one doesn't want to eat survival rotation food all the time or >>>>> surviving wouldn't be much fun. >>>> >>>>lol one way of putting it. But one thing, some folk I have read about >>>>seem >>>>to think that anything will do for storage so long as they have that >>>>back >>>>up, but they need to understand, if you don't like it before you need >>>>it, >>>>you sure as heck won't like it after ) So, eating 'storage' food isn't >>>>bad >>>>but fresh is nicer >>> >>> But in most countries that disaster will never hit, unless it's a 1 or >>> 2 day power outage or flood or similar, so it's more psychological >>> anyway >> >> If you can't get out for some reason; have a big bill or want to buy >> something and not break into savings ... I have always kept good stock >> in and has served me well > > Yes! You never know when someone might get sick or go into the hospital. > In some cases you'll be stuck at home with them or going to the hospital > so often there is no time to go buy food. Exactly right. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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