I have tried Tilapia in many forms, fried, oven baked and in Chinese
food and I could safely say that I found it rather tasteless and lacking
in texture. That included Tilapia that was actually fished from a tank
in front of me.

Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
juice. So there's still hope for the stuff!

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 2014-10-08, James Silverton > wrote:
>
> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime

Yes. Talapia is quite good as Ceviche, but I'm jonesing for some
catfish. Fried. Southern style. Whole filets. I'll even pay.

nb

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:34:43 AM UTC-10, James Silverton wrote:
> I have tried Tilapia in many forms, fried, oven baked and in Chinese
>
> food and I could safely say that I found it rather tasteless and lacking
>
> in texture. That included Tilapia that was actually fished from a tank
>
> in front of me.
>
>
>
> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
>
> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
>
> juice. So there's still hope for the stuff!
>

Like most people that grew up in Hawaii, I find the idea of eating tilapia to be repulsive. OTOH, I'm encouraged that the fish has been so widely accepted as an eating fish which should give other fishes some breeding room.

The idea of eating swai or basai is somewhat replusive too but at least they have a better texture and don't have that funky muddy taste that tilapia has. OTOH, tilapia ceviche might be okay. I got a feeling I'll get a chance to try it soon. If it tastes good, I'll eat it. :-)

>
>
> --
>
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
>
>
> Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:34:43 AM UTC-10, James Silverton wrote:
>> I have tried Tilapia in many forms, fried, oven baked and in Chinese
>> food and I could safely say that I found it rather tasteless and lacking
>> in texture. That included Tilapia that was actually fished from a tank
>> in front of me.
>>
>> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
>> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
>> juice. So there's still hope for the stuff!
>>
>
>Like most people that grew up in Hawaii, I find the idea of eating tilapia
>to be repulsive. OTOH, I'm encouraged that the fish has been so widely
> >accepted as an eating fish which should give other fishes some breeding
>room.
>
>The idea of eating swai or basai is somewhat replusive too but at least
>they have a better texture and don't have that funky muddy taste that
>tilapia >has. OTOH, tilapia ceviche might be okay. I got a feeling I'll get
>a chance to try it soon. If it tastes good, I'll eat it. :-)

Tilapia has taken off globally in recent years. It was introduced into paddy
fields to keep the mosquito larvae down. It was so successful it became a
major foodstuff.

A lot of freshwater fish need a bit of help in the taste dept. You mention
lime juice. I recently had wafer thin slices of raw trout, that had been
steeped in a couple of tblspoons of lime juice, garlic and fresh ginger. It
goes opaque after 5 mins and tastes really great.

On 2014-10-08 4:51 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-10-08, James Silverton > wrote:
>>
>> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
>> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
>
> Yes. Talapia is quite good as Ceviche, but I'm jonesing for some
> catfish. Fried. Southern style. Whole filets. I'll even pay.

I guess we all have different tastes. I have never been too keen on
catfish or talapia. I can understand that people who like one of them
would like the other because I think they are similar to each other. I
imagine the soft texture and mild taste would work well after sucking up
the lime juice and other flavour agents in the ceviche marinade.

On 8 Oct 2014 20:51:44 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-10-08, James Silverton > wrote:
>>
>> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
>> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
>
>Yes. Talapia is quite good as Ceviche, but I'm jonesing for some
>catfish. Fried. Southern style. Whole filets. I'll even pay.
>
>nb
Oh, man. I get a craving for deep-fried catfish every once in awhile.
I will have to go to the fish monger to get the right size fish. That
is some juicy eating fish.
Janet US

On 2014-10-08, Dave Smith > wrote:

> I guess we all have different tastes. I have never been too keen on
> catfish or talapia. I can understand that people who like one of them
> would like the other because I think they are similar to each other. I
> imagine the soft texture and mild taste would work well after sucking up
> the lime juice and other flavour agents in the ceviche marinade.

I'm not a big talapia fan. When the fish first began hitting the mkt,
it was pretty good. Fresh, firm, meaty, and of decent size. Then the
mkt exploded and everyone was in the talapia trade. Standards went
out the window, prices went outta sight. Get 'em up to a certain
size, then push 'em out the door. Screw quality! I no longer eat
talapia.

Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried. I'm not
a big deep-fried food advocate, but breaded d/f catfish is the work of
some god, somewhere (choose one). No doubt a god that comes from a
culture that is totally familiar with hot sauce.

nb

On 2014-10-08, Janet Bostwick > wrote:

> Oh, man. I get a craving for deep-fried catfish every once in awhile.
> I will have to go to the fish monger to get the right size fish. That
> is some juicy eating fish.

Boy, howdy!

On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
> Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>
> nb

Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along the
banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern
style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground
cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm
talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a
deep fryer in your kitchen.

Jill

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 6:29:21 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
>
> > Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>
> > nb
>
>
>
> You mentioned Southern
> style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground
> cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm
> talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a
> deep fryer in your kitchen.
>
> Jill
>
>
Yep, if a cook knows what they are doing they will find shallow frying fantastic without quarts of oil or a deep fryer. It's amazing what can be accomplished with a hot skillet and perhaps a half inch of oil.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:54:39 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 6:29:21 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
>>
>> > Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>>
>> > nb
>>
>>
>>
>> You mentioned Southern
>> style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground
>> cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm
>> talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a
>> deep fryer in your kitchen.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
>Yep, if a cook knows what they are doing they will find shallow frying fantastic without quarts of oil or a deep fryer. It's amazing what can be accomplished with a hot skillet and perhaps a half inch of oil.

I will admit to not knowing frying. I know I can get a perfectly
fried catfish piece bursting with juice if I deep fry. This is
something I do every couple of years.
Janet US

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:29:21 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:

Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
-

Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along the banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a deep fryer in your kitchen.
-

One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?

After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly. Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.

Cherry

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:12:52 AM UTC-10, Bertie Doe wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:34:43 AM UTC-10, James Silverton wrote:
>
> >> I have tried Tilapia in many forms, fried, oven baked and in Chinese
>
> >> food and I could safely say that I found it rather tasteless and lacking
>
> >> in texture. That included Tilapia that was actually fished from a tank
>
> >> in front of me.
>
> >>
>
> >> Well that was until yesterday when I bought some Tilapia as Ceviche. It
>
> >> was really good and the fish gained texture from the steeping in lime
>
> >> juice. So there's still hope for the stuff!
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >Like most people that grew up in Hawaii, I find the idea of eating tilapia
>
> >to be repulsive. OTOH, I'm encouraged that the fish has been so widely
>
> > >accepted as an eating fish which should give other fishes some breeding
>
> >room.
>
> >
>
> >The idea of eating swai or basai is somewhat replusive too but at least
>
> >they have a better texture and don't have that funky muddy taste that
>
> >tilapia >has. OTOH, tilapia ceviche might be okay. I got a feeling I'll get
>
> >a chance to try it soon. If it tastes good, I'll eat it. :-)
>
>
>
> Tilapia has taken off globally in recent years. It was introduced into paddy
>
> fields to keep the mosquito larvae down. It was so successful it became a
>
> major foodstuff.
>

That's a good idea. The mosquito has killed more people than any other animal on this planet because they carry malaria - the numbers are truly staggering. We did have a big dengue fever scare here a few years ago but no malaria - thank God.

My understanding was that the tilapia was brought over here to keep the vegetation in our streams clear. They did a fine job alright but fish that live in brackish waters taste horrible to me. My guess is that people that have been eating catfish for generations have lost the ability to taste that pond scum taint. That's too bad because you can get some beautiful fillets out of a catfish and it has great texture and cooks up beautifully. Everything would be perfect if not for the taste. That's the breaks.

>
>
> A lot of freshwater fish need a bit of help in the taste dept. You mention
>
> lime juice. I recently had wafer thin slices of raw trout, that had been
>
> steeped in a couple of tblspoons of lime juice, garlic and fresh ginger. It
>
> goes opaque after 5 mins and tastes really great.

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:23:47 PM UTC-10, Cherry wrote:
> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:29:21 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
>
>
>
> Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>
> -
>
>
>
> Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along the banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a deep fryer in your kitchen.
>
> -
>
>
>
> One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?
>
>
>
> After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly.. Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
>
>
>
> Cherry

That would be like me going to Wales and telling the cook that he didn't know how to cook up a Yorkie proper. I once saw a couple from Texas create quite a stir because our local chili didn't match up to chili in his hometown.. That's out-of-towners for you. My guess is your problem all started when you decided to try out the catfish. :-)

On 10/8/14, 4:34 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> I have tried Tilapia in many forms, fried, oven baked and in Chinese
> food and I could safely say that I found it rather tasteless and lacking
> in texture. That included Tilapia that was actually fished from a tank
> in front of me.

I've had some awfully good fish and chips made using tilapia, at an
Irish place -- Eamonns (motto: "In Cod We Trust") -- in Alexandria, VA,
owned by famous chef Cathal Armstrong.

Other than that, I don't find it appealing.

-- Larry

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55:12 AM UTC+1, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:23:47 PM UTC-10, Cherry wrote:
On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:29:21 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:

Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
-

Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along the banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a deep fryer in your kitchen.
-

One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?
-

After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly. Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
-

That would be like me going to Wales and telling the cook that he didn't know how to cook up a Yorkie proper. I once saw a couple from Texas create quite a stir because our local chili didn't match up to chili in his hometown.. That's out-of-towners for you. My guess is your problem all started when you decided to try out the catfish. :-)
-

Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and golden looking.

Cherry

On 10/8/2014 7:54 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 6:29:21 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
>>
>>> Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>>
>>> nb
>>
>>
>>
>> You mentioned Southern
>> style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground
>> cornmeal, a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm
>> talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a
>> deep fryer in your kitchen.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
> Yep, if a cook knows what they are doing they will find shallow frying fantastic without quarts of oil or a deep fryer. It's amazing what can be accomplished with a hot skillet and perhaps a half inch of oil.
>
Obviously I don't catch and fry fish on a riverbank But I do prefer
pan-frying rather than battering and deep frying in the kitchen. You
can turn out some really nice catfish by simply breading and pan frying.
Cod and other firm white fish, too. I don't mess with a lot of oil or
deep fryers.

Jill

On 10/8/2014 8:23 PM, Cherry wrote:
> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:29:21 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:
>
> Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
> -
>
> Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along
> the banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern
> style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground cornmeal,
> a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm talking about
> dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a deep fryer in your kitchen.
> -
>
> One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant
> and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that
> had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?
>
No one eats raw cornmeal. We make it into mush, or biscuits or bread.

> After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to
> infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words,
> but I got my way and they then cooked it properly.

Are you now talking about the catfish?

> Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then
> dipped it in the cornmeal.

Good lord, what was this restaurant?

> All the while my US friends said nothing.

Again... "friends". I have no idea who they are or where you were
eating. It sounds like a bad French film about young people trekking
through the Alps.

> I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
>
> Cherry
>
I'd not have gone back, either.

Jill

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:39:49 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 8:23 PM, Cherry wrote:
On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:29:21 AM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
On 10/8/2014 6:53 PM, notbob wrote:

Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
-

Legend has it catfish was originally pan fried by fishermen along
the banks of the rivers where they were caught. You mentioned Southern
style... at the basic level, that would be some really finely ground cornmeal,
a little AP flour seasoned well with salt & pepper. I'm talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a deep fryer in your kitchen.
-

One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?

No one eats raw cornmeal. We make it into mush, or biscuits or bread.

After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly.

Are you now talking about the catfish?

Yes, they breaded another piece of catfish in cornmeal and then fried it. It came to me crisp and golden looking. It was very tasty.

Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal.

Good lord, what was this restaurant?

I can't remember the name of it, It was some chain restaurant just off Congress Avenue nearby the Homestead Suites. This was in 2003.

All the while my US friends said nothing.

Again... "friends". I have no idea who they are or where you were eating. It sounds like a bad French film about young people trekking through the Alps.

Sorry, there was a few of us couple Brits but mostly Americans. We all met online and were very interested in music and decided to have a get together in Austin. I loved Austin though, go back anytime.

I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.

I'd not have gone back, either.
Jill

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2014-10-08, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > I guess we all have different tastes. I have never been too keen on
> > catfish or talapia. I can understand that people who like one of them
> > would like the other because I think they are similar to each other. I
> > imagine the soft texture and mild taste would work well after sucking up
> > the lime juice and other flavour agents in the ceviche marinade.
>
> I'm not a big talapia fan. When the fish first began hitting the mkt,
> it was pretty good. Fresh, firm, meaty, and of decent size. Then the
> mkt exploded and everyone was in the talapia trade. Standards went
> out the window, prices went outta sight. Get 'em up to a certain
> size, then push 'em out the door. Screw quality! I no longer eat
> talapia.
>
> Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.

Works pretty well blackened, too, and in fish tacos.

Isaac

On 10/8/2014 5:17 PM, Cherry wrote:
>
> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and golden looking.
>
> Cherry
>

To be honest, that sure sounds like a goofy dish. Austin might have
gotten so trendy that they've passed through cool and arrived at silly.

I used to take my little son across the street to fish in the dark and
foreboding waters of the Ala Wai canal. That place was filled with
tilapia. There's no way we could eat those fish but it was great fun for
the boy to catch fish out of the water.

One day he was squatting on the landing looking at something in the
water. I guess his head was so heavy that he just tipped into the water.
When I looked into the water, he was rolled up into a ball and just sank
into the dark waters and disappeared. I ain't never seen a boy do that
before. My wife was going to jump in but I told her to wait a few
seconds. After a while he slowly reappeared and bobbed up to the
surface. It was the coolest thing ever. I grabbed him and landed him.
His eyes were wide open and that startled look reminded me of the moment
he was born.

We took him home and hosed him down - the Ala Wai is famous for it's
really filthy, toxic, waters. Luckily, he came out fine and suffered no
ill effects. I think we stopped fishing there after that.

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:55:57 -0700, isw > wrote:

> In article >,
> notbob > wrote:
>
> >
> > Catfish, OTOH, is delightful!! It was made to be deep-fried.
>
> Works pretty well blackened, too, and in fish tacos.
>
I've even used it in the Brazilian fish stew that involves, coconut
milk, jalapeno and cilantro.



--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/8/2014 5:17 PM, Cherry wrote:
>>
>> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was
>> brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in
>> or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast.
>> Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully
>> expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and
>> golden looking.
>>
>> Cherry
>>
>
> To be honest, that sure sounds like a goofy dish. Austin might have gotten
> so trendy that they've passed through cool and arrived at silly.
>
> I used to take my little son across the street to fish in the dark and
> foreboding waters of the Ala Wai canal. That place was filled with
> tilapia. There's no way we could eat those fish but it was great fun for
> the boy to catch fish out of the water.
>
> One day he was squatting on the landing looking at something in the water.
> I guess his head was so heavy that he just tipped into the water. When I
> looked into the water, he was rolled up into a ball and just sank into the
> dark waters and disappeared. I ain't never seen a boy do that before. My
> wife was going to jump in but I told her to wait a few seconds. After a
> while he slowly reappeared and bobbed up to the surface. It was the
> coolest thing ever. I grabbed him and landed him. His eyes were wide open
> and that startled look reminded me of the moment he was born.
>
> We took him home and hosed him down - the Ala Wai is famous for it's
> really filthy, toxic, waters. Luckily, he came out fine and suffered no
> ill effects. I think we stopped fishing there after that.

Oh my! I think I would have jumped in! What age was he then?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"JohnJohn" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:03:37 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>On 10/8/2014 5:17 PM, Cherry wrote:
>>>
>>> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was
>>> brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in
>>> or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast.
>>> Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully
>>> expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and
>>> golden looking.
>>>
>>> Cherry
>>>
>>
>>To be honest, that sure sounds like a goofy dish. Austin might have
>>gotten so trendy that they've passed through cool and arrived at silly.
>>
>>I used to take my little son across the street to fish in the dark and
>>foreboding waters of the Ala Wai canal. That place was filled with
>>tilapia. There's no way we could eat those fish but it was great fun for
>>the boy to catch fish out of the water.
>>
>>One day he was squatting on the landing looking at something in the
>>water. I guess his head was so heavy that he just tipped into the water.
>>When I looked into the water, he was rolled up into a ball and just sank
>>into the dark waters and disappeared. I ain't never seen a boy do that
>>before. My wife was going to jump in but I told her to wait a few
>>seconds. After a while he slowly reappeared and bobbed up to the
>>surface. It was the coolest thing ever. I grabbed him and landed him.
>>His eyes were wide open and that startled look reminded me of the moment
>>he was born.
>>
>>We took him home and hosed him down - the Ala Wai is famous for it's
>>really filthy, toxic, waters. Luckily, he came out fine and suffered no
>>ill effects. I think we stopped fishing there after that.
>
> I wouldn't fish in really filthy, toxic waters either.

He did say they didn't eat the fish, just using it for the boy to get
experience
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 10/9/2014 11:21 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:
>
>> I can't remember the name of it, It was some chain restaurant just
>> off Congress Avenue nearby the Homestead Suites. This was in 2003.
>
> Well, that would be First street, but not far from Congress Ave. And
> the restaurant would probably be Threadgills (not a chain). A popular
> theme restaurant that locals could take out-of-towners.
>
> http://www.threadgills.com/menu/
>
> And them being a Southern restaurant, I can guarantee you they don't
> serve unfried/uncrisp catfish. They've been doing catfish for quite a
> while.
>
>> All the while my US friends said nothing.
>
> Why, those bloody American idiots! Hmm, then again maybe there was a
> reason for that.
>
> -sw
>
I cannot imagine taking "friends" from another country to a restaurant
that allegedly had fried catfish (panfried, deep fried, whatever) where
they didn't know how to cook it. No one in the US sprinkles uncooked
cornmeal on raw fish. If they do, they're idiots.

Jill

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:05:29 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:
>
One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?

After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly. Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
-

There isn't any restaurant in Austin that serves catfish that way. I can't even think of any chain restaurants that serve fried catfish. National chains usually don't have catfish on their menu since catfish is a regional taste.

I remember once getting large, 15 count breaded fried shrimp that still had the shells on them, but I think the idiot fry cook just f'ed up. Nobody argued with me that that's how shrimp were supposed to be served (smaller 45+count shrimp CAN be served that way in Asian restaurants, but not large 15-count shrimp)
-

It was 2003 and I was staying at the Homestead Suite, Town Lake. The restaurant was Threadgill's Southern food. It was the idea of Southern food that led to us being there.

Cherry

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:09:44 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:

Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and golden looking.
-

I still don't believe you. Cornmeal is a very crunchy coating. It can still be quite grainy since it basically has not been rehydrated with any liquid. A piece of fish as you describe would be floppy and soggy without any stiff, fried texture. Nobody in the world would serve any kind of fish like that. This is sounding like an exaggerated Boveism.
-

I have been eating cornmeal one way or another all my life I do not need to be told what it is. Yes the fish was floppy because it hadn't been fried in the cornmeal as I have previously stated. The cornmeal had been applied afterwards which is why I complained as I am sure you would have done.

Cherry

On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Cherry >
wrote:

> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:09:44 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:
>
> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and golden looking.
> -
>
> I still don't believe you. Cornmeal is a very crunchy coating. It can still be quite grainy since it basically has not been rehydrated with any liquid. A piece of fish as you describe would be floppy and soggy without any stiff, fried texture. Nobody in the world would serve any kind of fish like that. This is sounding like an exaggerated Boveism.
> -
>
> I have been eating cornmeal one way or another all my life I do not need to be told what it is. Yes the fish was floppy because it hadn't been fried in the cornmeal as I have previously stated. The cornmeal had been applied afterwards which is why I complained as I am sure you would have done.
>
What did your American friends have to say about the fish after you
left the restaurant? Had they never eaten anything cornmeal coated?


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 5:18:11 PM UTC+1, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:08:34 -0700 (PDT), Cherry >
>
> wrote:
On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:09:44 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:

Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal, fried and golden looking.
-

I still don't believe you. Cornmeal is a very crunchy coating. It can still be quite grainy since it basically has not been rehydrated with any liquid. A piece of fish as you describe would be floppy and soggy without any stiff, fried texture. Nobody in the world would serve any kind of fish like that. This is sounding like an exaggerated Boveism.
-

I have been eating cornmeal one way or another all my life I do not need to be told what it is. Yes the fish was floppy because it hadn't been fried in the cornmeal as I have previously stated. The cornmeal had been applied afterwards which is why I complained as I am sure you would have done.
-

What did your American friends have to say about the fish after you left the restaurant? Had they never eaten anything cornmeal coated?
-

There were 14 of us and we were all out of towners, the US contingent came from California, Michigan, Portland Oregon, Minnesota, and Nevada. They did apologise (unnecessarily) it wasn't their fault.

Dare I say it, but we went to Stubbs BBQ a few days later and most had the burger and chips (fries). One had the chicken wings and when she cut into one it was still bloody. Shit happens. We did go to a brilliant Chinese restaurant and a Vietnamese restaurant which was very good just up the road from Gold's Gym.

Cherry

On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:52:31 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> I've tried to make F&C using tilapia

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:05:29 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> I remember once getting large, 15 count breaded fried shrimp

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:09:44 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> I still don't believe you.

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:21:02 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> Why, those bloody American idiots!

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

On 10/9/2014 3:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/8/2014 5:17 PM, Cherry wrote:
>>>
>>> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was
>>> brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred
>>> in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for
>>> breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was
>>> fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal,
>>> fried and golden looking.
>>>
>>> Cherry
>>>
>>
>> To be honest, that sure sounds like a goofy dish. Austin might have
>> gotten so trendy that they've passed through cool and arrived at silly.
>>
>> I used to take my little son across the street to fish in the dark and
>> foreboding waters of the Ala Wai canal. That place was filled with
>> tilapia. There's no way we could eat those fish but it was great fun
>> for the boy to catch fish out of the water.
>>
>> One day he was squatting on the landing looking at something in the
>> water. I guess his head was so heavy that he just tipped into the
>> water. When I looked into the water, he was rolled up into a ball and
>> just sank into the dark waters and disappeared. I ain't never seen a
>> boy do that before. My wife was going to jump in but I told her to
>> wait a few seconds. After a while he slowly reappeared and bobbed up
>> to the surface. It was the coolest thing ever. I grabbed him and
>> landed him. His eyes were wide open and that startled look reminded me
>> of the moment he was born.
>>
>> We took him home and hosed him down - the Ala Wai is famous for it's
>> really filthy, toxic, waters. Luckily, he came out fine and suffered
>> no ill effects. I think we stopped fishing there after that.
>
> Oh my! I think I would have jumped in! What age was he then?
>

That probably would not have been a wise thing to do. My guess is that
he would have been around 3 or 4. I think that he said that he did
remember the incident. That rolling into a ball stuff was totally off
the wall. My guess is that when you enter the water like that you just
spin and sink deeply and then slowly rise to the surface. That's what I
remember seeing. My guess is that he got memorized by a tilapia siren.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/9/2014 3:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/8/2014 5:17 PM, Cherry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your right in that it was my first time with catfish. Cornmeal I was
>>>> brought with especially buttery polenta with lots of parmesan stirred
>>>> in or poured on to a plate and topped with cinnamon sugar for
>>>> breakfast. Never have I been served it raw anywhere in Europe. I was
>>>> fully expecting to be served a piece of fish breaded in cornmeal,
>>>> fried and golden looking.
>>>>
>>>> Cherry
>>>>
>>>
>>> To be honest, that sure sounds like a goofy dish. Austin might have
>>> gotten so trendy that they've passed through cool and arrived at silly.
>>>
>>> I used to take my little son across the street to fish in the dark and
>>> foreboding waters of the Ala Wai canal. That place was filled with
>>> tilapia. There's no way we could eat those fish but it was great fun
>>> for the boy to catch fish out of the water.
>>>
>>> One day he was squatting on the landing looking at something in the
>>> water. I guess his head was so heavy that he just tipped into the
>>> water. When I looked into the water, he was rolled up into a ball and
>>> just sank into the dark waters and disappeared. I ain't never seen a
>>> boy do that before. My wife was going to jump in but I told her to
>>> wait a few seconds. After a while he slowly reappeared and bobbed up
>>> to the surface. It was the coolest thing ever. I grabbed him and
>>> landed him. His eyes were wide open and that startled look reminded me
>>> of the moment he was born.
>>>
>>> We took him home and hosed him down - the Ala Wai is famous for it's
>>> really filthy, toxic, waters. Luckily, he came out fine and suffered
>>> no ill effects. I think we stopped fishing there after that.
>>
>> Oh my! I think I would have jumped in! What age was he then?
>>
>
> That probably would not have been a wise thing to do. My guess is that he
> would have been around 3 or 4. I think that he said that he did remember
> the incident. That rolling into a ball stuff was totally off the wall. My
> guess is that when you enter the water like that you just spin and sink
> deeply and then slowly rise to the surface. That's what I remember seeing.
> My guess is that he got memorized by a tilapia siren.

Perhaps not but if it were my child you would have had a hard job keeping me
out I bet your wife wasn't easy to convince.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 10/9/2014 12:00 PM, Cherry wrote:
> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:05:29 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:
>>
> One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the hell eats raw cornmeal?
>
> After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they then cooked it properly. Before it was like they just got a piece of fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
> -
>
> There isn't any restaurant in Austin that serves catfish that way. I can't even think of any chain restaurants that serve fried catfish. National chains usually don't have catfish on their menu since catfish is a regional taste.
>
> I remember once getting large, 15 count breaded fried shrimp that still had the shells on them, but I think the idiot fry cook just f'ed up. Nobody argued with me that that's how shrimp were supposed to be served (smaller 45+count shrimp CAN be served that way in Asian restaurants, but not large 15-count shrimp)
> -
>
> It was 2003 and I was staying at the Homestead Suite, Town Lake. The restaurant was Threadgill's Southern food. It was the idea of Southern food that led to us being there.
>
> Cherry
>
If that was their idea of Southern food, so sorry! We don't cook that way.

Jill

On 2014-10-08, jmcquown > wrote:

> talking about dredging and frying fish on a riverbank, not heating up a
> deep fryer in your kitchen.

Darned if I don't always forget to pack the eggs, flour,
buttermilk, etc, when I go fishing.

nb

On 10/9/2014 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/9/2014 12:00 PM, Cherry wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:05:29 PM UTC+1, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Cherry wrote:
>>>
>> One time in Austin some US friends took me to a chain restaurant and I
>> chose the fried catfish breaded in cornmeal. What I got was catfish
>> that had been breaded in cornmeal after it had been cooked. Who the
>> hell eats raw cornmeal?
>>
>> After I sent it back the manager came out to discuss the problem and
>> then tried to infer that as a Brit I didn't know what I talking
>> about. You better believe we had words, but I got my way and they
>> then cooked it properly. Before it was like they just got a piece of
>> fish and chucked it in the microwave and then dipped it in the
>> cornmeal. All the while my US friends said nothing. I was not
>> impressed and didn't go back to that restaurant.
>> -
>>
>> There isn't any restaurant in Austin that serves catfish that way. I
>> can't even think of any chain restaurants that serve fried catfish.
>> National chains usually don't have catfish on their menu since catfish
>> is a regional taste.
>>
>> I remember once getting large, 15 count breaded fried shrimp that
>> still had the shells on them, but I think the idiot fry cook just f'ed
>> up. Nobody argued with me that that's how shrimp were supposed to be
>> served (smaller 45+count shrimp CAN be served that way in Asian
>> restaurants, but not large 15-count shrimp)
>> -
>>
>> It was 2003 and I was staying at the Homestead Suite, Town Lake. The
>> restaurant was Threadgill's Southern food. It was the idea of
>> Southern food that led to us being there.
>>
>> Cherry
>>
> If that was their idea of Southern food, so sorry! We don't cook that way.
>

Cat fish is easy enough to come by around here and
I've tried it from time to time over the last 50 years. I still don't
like the muddy, musty flavor no matter how it is prepared.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:53:27 PM UTC+1, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/9/2014 12:00 PM, Cherry wrote:

It was 2003 and I was staying at the Homestead Suite, Town Lake. The restaurant was Threadgill's Southern food. It was the idea of Southern food that led to us being there.
-

If that was their idea of Southern food, so sorry! We don't cook that way.

Jill
-

It's OK, as I said I grew up eating/cooking cornmeal/polenta so I realised it wasn't right. However, I did like Austin very much so all was not lost. The Brits favouritest place? Joe's Generic Bar. When the US mob all had to go and we Brits were left to our own devices we found Joe's and used like we would a pub back home, a bit of a dive but a great place to chill out over a couple of beers and some live music.

Cherry

On 10/9/2014 8:41 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps not but if it were my child you would have had a hard job
> keeping me out I bet your wife wasn't easy to convince.
>

I'm one of those guys that always keeps a cool head. My son is the same
way which is a big asset in emergencies at the state hospital, where he
works. My wife tends to go bonkers when something like that happens but
let me tell you that she was glad that I stopped her from jumping into
the Ala Wai.

OTOH, the Ala Wai has got to be one of the most beautiful but deadly
spots in the world. In my mind's eye, I see the canal by moonlight and
it's beautiful. Canoe clubs would practice in those toxic waters. I
loved to watch them do their thing.

http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Hono...m-the-Ala-Wai/