On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:04:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>You just wait. Got big plans for tomorrow. It's gonna be hot and Target
>now has Light Icees in strawberry lemonade. Gonna stop by Value Village to
>donate, then go over to Target for a nice refreshing drink and perhaps some
>popcorn.

You have no taste whatsoever and keep on demonstrating why you have
health issues. Not buying the you 'need it because of diabetes'
argument either.

On 2014-06-22 18:35, sf wrote:

>>
>> You have to take the key to a dealer to get it programmed.
>
> Do they charge for that, if so - is it reasonable?

It was about $40.. IIRC

>>
> <snip>
>>
>>
>> When I got the CRV last year I was told replacement keys were about
>> $250. My wife was upset that that I would not give her a key... because
>> she always loses keys. She was really upset. I relented. believe it or
>> not..... she lost the new key within an hour. We retraced our steps and
>> went to the the places we had been. She was certainly she had them after
>> we were at the local fruit stand. I insisted we check there anyway. Sure
>> enough, that is where they were. The stand owner found them on the road
>> in front of the stand.
>>
> Sounds like she needs a key leash. Get her the retractable one like
> contractors and custodians have - it attaches to their belt, but she
> can attach it to her purse handle.

If only. She had one of those. I will try to avoid a Bovinism, but the
sad fact is that she is constantly losing things... which is why I did
not give her a key that would cost close to $300 to replace, which would
have been inevitable.


>>
>> Now she has the valet key and knows better than to ask for the one with
>> the electronics.
>>
> If it's not her main car, that's a reasonable option.

I thought so. You have to appreciate how upset she was that I would not
give her a key because she loses things so often, and then she lost
it.... within an hour.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:01:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 1:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:30:06 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to regret asking... you live in a house yet you have to
>>>>> have a
>>>>> key for the mailbox? The only time I've ever seen that was in (some)
>>>>> apartment complexes. They'd have banks of mailboxes for each set of
>>>>> apartments in each building. Why would you need a key to the mailbox
>>>>> when you live in a house?
>>>>
>>>> You beat me to this question, Jill. I've never EVER heard of a key for
>>>> a mailbox at a private home. Only Julie can claim such a thing.
>>>
>>> Yeah - you and Jill are both regretting it...
>>
>> I will surely ping them when I post my pics. And they can eat their
>> words!
>
>I'm not saying I don't believe you. Simply that I don't understand a
>suburban neighborhood with locking mailboxes. Then you say it's a high
>crime area... okey doke.

Interesting how Julie is so keen to demonstrate proof in this instance
where it is presumably true (for once). Every other time that I am
aware of, when people are sceptical of her claims... no proof.
Nothing but more ridiculous and convoluted counterclaims, anyway.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:31:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to regret asking... you live in a house yet you have to have a
>>>> key for the mailbox? The only time I've ever seen that was in (some)
>>>> apartment complexes. They'd have banks of mailboxes for each set of
>>>> apartments in each building. Why would you need a key to the mailbox
>>>> when you live in a house?
>>>
>>> You beat me to this question, Jill. I've never EVER heard of a key for
>>> a mailbox at a private home. Only Julie can claim such a thing.
>>
>> No, she isn't I've had that!
>>
>
>I would go clomping down there now to take a pic but it's pitch dark. You
>just wait. She and Gary will be eating their words.

How come you're so keen to demonstrate real proof in this one
instance, and not the hundreds (thousands?) of previous times?
That's very telling, IMO.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:22:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to regret asking... you live in a house yet you have to have a
>>> key for the mailbox? The only time I've ever seen that was in (some)
>>> apartment complexes. They'd have banks of mailboxes for each set of
>>> apartments in each building. Why would you need a key to the mailbox
>>> when you live in a house?
>>
>> You beat me to this question, Jill. I've never EVER heard of a key for
>> a mailbox at a private home. Only Julie can claim such a thing.
>
>Okay Gary. I will go out and take a pic of my mailbox. Obviously not now.
>And maybe not even tomorrow. I don't even plan to get dressed tomorrow
>unless the warm weather drives me out in search of AC.

Too lazy to put some clothes on to take a pic of your own mailbox??
How many feet is it from your front door? After all your showboating
in this thread and now you won't take 2 minutes out of your life to
put some clothes on and take a photo.
More bullshit again - at least I hope it's bullshit for your own sake.

>For the heck of it,
>I may just take pics of some other locking boxes on this and surrounding
>streets. You are starting to come off as some hayseed hick who never gets
>out.

That's rich, coming from you. You wont even get dressed to go your
mailbox...

> Maybe they don't have them in your area but they are very common here.

And of course, how do we know it's your mailbox? I personally could
care less whether locked mailboxes exist or not.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:35:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I will ask again at a different place. I have asked twice in the past and
>was told they could not do it and was told that my key was property of the
>US Post Office. The locksmith who put the lock on also told me I could not
>have additional keys made and he is the one who said that it was not
>possible for us to have bought a lock for the mailbox. Now I do see some
>online but they are for commercial mailboxes. Similar to what I have but
>not quite the same.

The obvious solution is to simply contact the post office, and discuss
ordering some more keys. Inexplicably, this is something you're
hell-bent on not doing, apparently.

Don't try to tell me that across the United States, there is a limit
on having a maximum of two keys per mailbox lock. That simply makes no
sense. Christ, you're so full of crap.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:02 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 1:35 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I will ask again at a different place. I have asked twice in the past
>> and was told they could not do it and was told that my key was property
>> of the US Post Office.
>
>So ask the Post Office. Sheesh. I'm pretty sure they've had to install
>new locks due to lost keys before. There's no need for all the drama.

Julie needs the drama, that much is clear.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:54:51 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 4:36 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:28:02 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2014 1:35 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will ask again at a different place. I have asked twice in the past
>>>> and was told they could not do it and was told that my key was property
>>>> of the US Post Office.
>>>
>>> So ask the Post Office. Sheesh. I'm pretty sure they've had to install
>>> new locks due to lost keys before. There's no need for all the drama.
>>
>> You're way too hard on Julie. She is a creative writer and writers must write.
>> After I sold my cattle, my dog used to go to my neighbor's farm and herd his cattle
>> (not necessarily to the pastures that he wanted them in)...well Julie is like that.
>> Any minor situation must be detailed...that is what she is trained for.
>> A drama queen is just that...a leopard cannot lose his spots.
>>
>I had no idea working at KMart and then posting to Usenet makes someone
>a writer. I have a number of copyrighted poems; I don't claim to be a
>writer.

Indeed. With the Internet, we now have endless 'writers'.
'professional photographers' as well.

I wouldn't mind reading some of Julie's other fictional works, I
wonder if she's had anything published. By that, I mean real
publishing, not something posted to the Internet.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:53:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/20/2014 9:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:11:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not the
>>>>> only one who uses my keys. I need to keep them where we all can use
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> That's ridiculous. Have copies made.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They can't make a copy of the mail box key. We did get two. Husband
>>> lost his and also my old van key.
>>
>> I'm going to regret asking... you live in a house yet you have to have a
>> key for the mailbox? The only time I've ever seen that was in (some)
>> apartment complexes. They'd have banks of mailboxes for each set of
>> apartments in each building. Why would you need a key to the mailbox when
>> you live in a house?
>>
>I guess you don't get out much then. Or you've never lived in a high crime
>area. All of the military housing we lived in except for Cape Cod had
>locking mailboxes. Our Cape Cod house had one on the outside of the house
>next to the door! I couldn't believe that.

How come you're replying to Jill's post NOW, and did not say the above
yesterday? Interesting.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:10 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 12:04 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/22/2014 4:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, our bank of mailboxes are under the control of the USPS
>>> mail nazis. We can only get replacement keys through them and it comes
>>> with a new lockset. They replace the entire tumbler and latch. My guess
>>> is that it only takes them a few seconds to do this.
>>
>> Still not a big deal. You *can* have the locks replaced if you lose the
>> keys. Call USPS and help Julie stop the drama!
>>
>> Jill
>
>As far as nazis goes, USPS nazis aren't all that bad. Stop the drama -
>why the hell would I want to do that? My strict protocol is to not
>interfere with the life forms on this newsgroup. Any direct contact with
>the natives could have disastrous effects.

Hee hee

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one anyway.

Here we go again. Another illogical absurdity on the face of it.
Of course the dealer can get another key.

>Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention. I'm
>betting that he'll go for that deal.

Every make and model car that I have looked into has aftermarket keys
available. You really don't need to get raped by the car dealer if
you're prepared to spend 20 minutes online to seek out alternatives.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 23:21:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/22/2014 12:41 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 6/21/2014 4:33 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> Where the heck do you live, anyway? Any handyman or hubby can put a
>>>>> lock on a door. Even I can do it.
>>>>> Do you have an HOA that dictates locksmith only? I daresay in most
>>>>> parts of the US, it isn't against the
>>>>> law for anyone to put a lock on a door.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>> I've changed out keyed and deadbolt locks more than once. Even my
>>>> silly HOA doesn't require a locksmith for that.
>>>
>>> We're not talking about a door lock. This is a mailbox lock.
>>
>> Yeah, except at some point you said he can't change out a door lock
>> without a locksmith. It's so convoluted I can't keep up.
>
>I don't think I did

Yes you did.

>but if I did I meant the mailbox door. And yes, mine
>does have a door. You'll see it in the pic when I post it.

Don't call it a mailbox, whatever you do! LOL...

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:49:28 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:27:26 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:22:29 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:45:40 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the only one who uses my keys.
>>>>>>> I need to keep them where we all can use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. Have copies made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They can't make a copy of the mail box key.
>>>>>
>>>>>ROTFL.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm not paying a locksmith to redo that lock.
>>>>
>>>>It's a Federal crime to copy a mailbox key... mine is stamped "Do Not
>>>>Duplicate". If you lose your mailbox key a locksmith has to re-key
>>>>the lock and issue new keys... costs $15... not very expensive. PO
>>>>Boxes are re-keyed each time they are reissued.
>>>>http://www.poboxcost.com/
>>>
>>>Same in Aus for PO boxes. I thought Julie was discussing a private
>>>mail box at home?
>>
>>She meant one of those communal mailboxes, several individual boxes
>>that serve a group of homes.
>
>Why didn't she f*cking say that then? We don't have anything like that
>in Aus, not for individual homes anyway. And presumably nor does a lot
>of the U.S, as many others here also found it hard to understand.

She thinks of herself as a writer but she writes like a
dyslexic 4th grader... the Bove writes as clearly as mud, the Bove has
the vocabulary of a dimwit. The Bove is a fast typist but what she
writes has the value of used TP.

On 6/22/2014 4:04 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one anyway.
>
> Here we go again. Another illogical absurdity on the face of it.
> Of course the dealer can get another key.
>
>> Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>> that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention. I'm
>> betting that he'll go for that deal.
>
> Every make and model car that I have looked into has aftermarket keys
> available. You really don't need to get raped by the car dealer if
> you're prepared to spend 20 minutes online to seek out alternatives.
>

The dealer would be the last place I'd go to get a key.

I only got one key and one electronic remote lock/unlock gizmo with my used Jeep. A new key (not electronic)
cost $65 at the Ace Hardware store, and if I wanted another electronic lock/unlock remote, it would cost
another $65. I only got the key. It cost the same at the dealer.

N.

On 6/22/2014 9:49 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>
> Thanks. Is the USPS government run or privately owned?

Government run, authorized by Congress.
>



>> the only reason why the USPS delivers mail every day is because
>> otherwise they'd need to have a much larger facility for storage. I
>> don't receive a lot of mail so the smallest PO Box is sufficient, for
>> those who receive a lot of mail they pay more for a larger box.
>> Nowadays a lot of malls and strip malls have a communal box... the
>> communal box keeps the cost of delivery down.
>
> Sounds more and more like a private run business to me. I'm glad we
> don't have to deal with that here.

Very few people have to deal with it. The majority have our mail
delivered to the house or a box in front of the house. With over 300
million people and a very diverse living conditions, many solutions are
available and in use.

Much as some people bitch about the postal service, it is reliable and
cheap. You can even mail live chickens.
>

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:17:47 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 4:04 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one anyway.
>>
>> Here we go again. Another illogical absurdity on the face of it.
>> Of course the dealer can get another key.
>>
>>> Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>>> that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention. I'm
>>> betting that he'll go for that deal.
>>
>> Every make and model car that I have looked into has aftermarket keys
>> available. You really don't need to get raped by the car dealer if
>> you're prepared to spend 20 minutes online to seek out alternatives.
>
>The dealer would be the last place I'd go to get a key.

Indeed. Car dealerships make most of their money from parts and
servicing, not from the cars they sell.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:11:15 -0500, barbie gee >
wrote:

>
>
>On Mon, 23 Jun 2014, Je?us wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:01:18 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2014 1:23 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:30:06 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to regret asking... you live in a house yet you have to
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> key for the mailbox? The only time I've ever seen that was in (some)
>>>>>>> apartment complexes. They'd have banks of mailboxes for each set of
>>>>>>> apartments in each building. Why would you need a key to the mailbox
>>>>>>> when you live in a house?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You beat me to this question, Jill. I've never EVER heard of a key for
>>>>>> a mailbox at a private home. Only Julie can claim such a thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah - you and Jill are both regretting it...
>>>>
>>>> I will surely ping them when I post my pics. And they can eat their
>>>> words!
>>>
>>> I'm not saying I don't believe you. Simply that I don't understand a
>>> suburban neighborhood with locking mailboxes. Then you say it's a high
>>> crime area... okey doke.
>>
>> Interesting how Julie is so keen to demonstrate proof in this instance
>> where it is presumably true (for once). Every other time that I am
>> aware of, when people are sceptical of her claims... no proof.
>> Nothing but more ridiculous and convoluted counterclaims, anyway.
>>
>
>http://faq.usps.com/adaptivedesktop/faq.jsp?ef=USPSFAQ
>seems to indicate you can get keys if needed, and it is USPS property.

Naturally you can get keys, as to why this solution won't work for
Julie... we will have to wait to find out, I guess.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:00:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/22/2014 9:49 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks. Is the USPS government run or privately owned?
>
>Government run, authorized by Congress.
>>
>
>>> the only reason why the USPS delivers mail every day is because
>>> otherwise they'd need to have a much larger facility for storage. I
>>> don't receive a lot of mail so the smallest PO Box is sufficient, for
>>> those who receive a lot of mail they pay more for a larger box.
>>> Nowadays a lot of malls and strip malls have a communal box... the
>>> communal box keeps the cost of delivery down.
>>
>> Sounds more and more like a private run business to me. I'm glad we
>> don't have to deal with that here.
>
>Very few people have to deal with it. The majority have our mail
>delivered to the house or a box in front of the house.

That is what I am familiar with in urban areas.

>With over 300
>million people and a very diverse living conditions, many solutions are
>available and in use.

As long as one has the option, then great. If I was forced to collect
my mail the way Julie apparently does, I would be far from happy.

>Much as some people bitch about the postal service, it is reliable and
>cheap. You can even mail live chickens.

In article >,
says...

> I thought so. You have to appreciate how upset she was that I would not
> give her a key because she loses things so often, and then she lost
> it.... within an hour.

Yebbut.. who was most upset when she lost the key, you or her?

Janet UK

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:22:29 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:45:40 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>>Jeßus wrote:
>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not the only one who uses my keys.
>>>>>> I need to keep them where we all can use them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's ridiculous. Have copies made.
>>>>>
>>>>>They can't make a copy of the mail box key.
>>>>
>>>>ROTFL.
>>>>
>>>>>I'm not paying a locksmith to redo that lock.
>>>
>>>It's a Federal crime to copy a mailbox key... mine is stamped "Do Not
>>>Duplicate". If you lose your mailbox key a locksmith has to re-key
>>>the lock and issue new keys... costs $15... not very expensive. PO
>>>Boxes are re-keyed each time they are reissued.
>>>http://www.poboxcost.com/
>>
>>Same in Aus for PO boxes. I thought Julie was discussing a private
>>mail box at home?
>
> She meant one of those communal mailboxes, several individual boxes
> that serve a group of homes. Those are owned and operated by the USPS
> so the individual locked box is the same as a PO Box. Many apartment
> buildings have a group of boxes in the lobby, those mail boxes are
> also the same as a PO Box. I've not seen many private keyed
> mailboxes, those where the box has a lock but the mail is delivered
> through a slot, same as a slot in a residence door. But where the
> postman uses a key to deliver mail than the locks on the individual
> boxes are under the auspices of the USPS. My last PO Box where I
> lived previously had a combination lock, no key. I never minded
> having to go to the post office to pick up my mail... I've no reason
> to pick up my mail every day, once or twice a week is enough. I think
> the only reason why the USPS delivers mail every day is because
> otherwise they'd need to have a much larger facility for storage. I
> don't receive a lot of mail so the smallest PO Box is sufficient, for
> those who receive a lot of mail they pay more for a larger box.
> Nowadays a lot of malls and strip malls have a communal box... the
> communal box keeps the cost of delivery down.
> Some people collect antique PO Boxes:
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw...+for+a+project

I am glad someone understands! And now that I have posted pics of them,
they are bashing their looks. I can't really do anything about that.
Perhaps with a roll of paper towel or two and some cleaner, I could get off
the mold and dirt but it would only come right back and... That wouldn't
help with the dents and rust and all the other crap.

I don't know where the thing came from, how it got there or how to get a
replacement but I'm thinking since it is still standing, they won't do
anything about it.

I guess I should be happy that it works and it isn't near my house.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Julie, I know all about keys that can't be duplicated. I thought you were
> talking about
> your (house) door key.
>
> N.

Nope. Have had to make several copies of those. Not sure where my husband
went the first time but the keys never worked very well so I had them all
done over again.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, except at some point you said he can't change out a door lock
>> without a locksmith. It's so convoluted I can't keep up.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Even that can be confusing. It is not a big deal to swap out a lock or
> deadbolt. Most are just a few screws. OTOH, if you want to re-key the
> existing lock, you usually have to go to a locksmith or have access to
> pins and a key grinder.

When my husband tried to buy a new lock for the mailbox, he bought something
that looked like it would work but it wouldn't. Why? Not sure what the
part is called but the flat rod type thing that goes to the side and then
back up when it is locked and unlocked stuck out too far so it wouldn't fit.

I called a locksmith and asked. He laughed and said that mailbox locks are
not available to the general public and that only a locksmith can put them
in.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one
>> > anyway.
>>
>> Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>> that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention. I'm
>> betting that he'll go for that deal.
>
> You made me look. Our car came with 2 chipped keys which are called
> "smart key keyless remote entry". A new one will cost $300 at the
> dealer, but I found one for $99 online. Not sure how to make it work
> with the car... but that's a bridge I don't need to cross at this
> point.
>
I wouldn't know either. I bought an extra garage door remote and couldn't
make it work either. Apparently you have to get up into the unit and get
some numbers. But our unit was up too high.

Then when I had to get the new opener as all of the remotes were broken, the
idiot installer left me with two extra remotes with no clips on them!

I would write a novel about that fiasco but I don't care to relive it. I
wound up emailing Chamberlain and asked how I could get the clips as I
didn't want any more dealings with those buffoons.

Turns out they don't sell those particular clips separately so they just
sent me two new remotes. I will keep those in case I need them but in the
meantime I have put the clip on one. No telling where husband's remote went
or I would put the clip on it as well.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 10:31 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> You made me look. Our car came with 2 chipped keys which are called
>> "smart key keyless remote entry". A new one will cost $300 at the
>> dealer, but I found one for $99 online. Not sure how to make it work
>> with the car... but that's a bridge I don't need to cross at this
>> point.
>>
>
> Depending on the system that's used on the car, you might be able to
> program the key. My Ford had a separate key fob remote and transponder key
> that had to be separately programmed. This involved turning the ignition
> on and off a number of times and pushing buttons in sequence. It was
> pretty goofy alright.
>
> The transponder keys have cut down on car thief dramatically. So much so
> that the insurance companies would deny a claim of your car being stolen
> if you still had the keys. Their position was that you're trying to make a
> false claim and you're lying. I can't say if this is still true. All I
> know is that the thieves got more sophisticated and insurance fraud with
> stolen cars is not uncommon.

What I have now is not a fob but the buttons are on the key itself.

Someone I know just got her car stolen. It's pretty new too. And not even
a really expensive car. Sad.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:05:15 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2014 4:31 PM, sf wrote:
>> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one
>> >>> anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>> >> that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention.
>> >> I'm
>> >> betting that he'll go for that deal.
>> >
>> > You made me look. Our car came with 2 chipped keys which are called
>> > "smart key keyless remote entry". A new one will cost $300 at the
>> > dealer, but I found one for $99 online. Not sure how to make it work
>> > with the car... but that's a bridge I don't need to cross at this
>> > point.
>> >
>> That's because you don't lose your keys. I'm betting you know where
>> they are right now.
>>
> I most certainly do... but I have often considered putting one of
> those GPS locator thingies on them because I live in fear of the day I
> space out and don't put them where they belong. I visualize them
> either being lodged deep in the couch or that I put something on top
> of them. Either way, they're not where they belong and hidden from
> sight - then there's an emergency where I have to leave the house
> *now* and I can't find my keys.
>
That's exactly the thing. Once your brain gets to a certain age, spacing
out is just unavoidable sometimes.

I came into this room yesterday carrying several things. One of which was a
frozen fruit pop. Got to my computer desk with all but that. Had to
retrace my steps to see where I had put it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:06:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-22 4:31 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>> > You made me look. Our car came with 2 chipped keys which are called
>> > "smart key keyless remote entry". A new one will cost $300 at the
>> > dealer, but I found one for $99 online. Not sure how to make it work
>> > with the car... but that's a bridge I don't need to cross at this
>> > point.
>> >
>>
>>
>> You have to take the key to a dealer to get it programmed.
>
> Do they charge for that, if so - is it reasonable?
>>
> <snip>
>>
>>
>> When I got the CRV last year I was told replacement keys were about
>> $250. My wife was upset that that I would not give her a key... because
>> she always loses keys. She was really upset. I relented. believe it or
>> not..... she lost the new key within an hour. We retraced our steps and
>> went to the the places we had been. She was certainly she had them after
>> we were at the local fruit stand. I insisted we check there anyway. Sure
>> enough, that is where they were. The stand owner found them on the road
>> in front of the stand.
>>
> Sounds like she needs a key leash. Get her the retractable one like
> contractors and custodians have - it attaches to their belt, but she
> can attach it to her purse handle.
>>
>> Now she has the valet key and knows better than to ask for the one with
>> the electronics.
>>
> If it's not her main car, that's a reasonable option.

My parents drove me nuts because they each had two sets of keys. One for
the car they usually drove and one for the other person's car. Not sure
where they kept their house key as they never used it.

I couldn't figure out why they would do that. It's just another key! Put
it on your one ring! They were constantly going down to the car then
announcing that they'd brought the wrong key ring.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 4:04 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:46:45 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2014 6:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't get a chipped key from the dealer. Not an extra one
>>>> anyway.
>>
>> Here we go again. Another illogical absurdity on the face of it.
>> Of course the dealer can get another key.
>>
>>> Next time just tell the dealer that you'll pay him any amount of money
>>> that it takes to get an extra key. That ought to get his attention. I'm
>>> betting that he'll go for that deal.
>>
>> Every make and model car that I have looked into has aftermarket keys
>> available. You really don't need to get raped by the car dealer if
>> you're prepared to spend 20 minutes online to seek out alternatives.
>>
>
> The dealer would be the last place I'd go to get a key.

I did ask at the dealer. They said that the car only came with one chipped
key and the other one wasn't. Did not offer to sell me an additional one
and I did not ask. I didn't have any extra money at the time. So...

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 4:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> Unfortunately, our bank of mailboxes are under the control of the USPS
>> mail nazis. We can only get replacement keys through them and it comes
>> with a new lockset. They replace the entire tumbler and latch. My guess
>> is that it only takes them a few seconds to do this.
>
> Still not a big deal. You *can* have the locks replaced if you lose the
> keys. Call USPS and help Julie stop the drama!
>
> Jill

Uh no. USPS is not who does that here. It is the locksmith. I am not
going to pay for a new lock just to get two keys. It's not free for home
owners. Not here anyway.

And there's no drama. You people make such ado about everything. Makes me
wonder if you really have a life!

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:04:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>You just wait. Got big plans for tomorrow. It's gonna be hot and Target
>>now has Light Icees in strawberry lemonade. Gonna stop by Value Village
>>to
>>donate, then go over to Target for a nice refreshing drink and perhaps
>>some
>>popcorn.
>
> You have no taste whatsoever and keep on demonstrating why you have
> health issues. Not buying the you 'need it because of diabetes'
> argument either.

Jeßus please don't let her get under your skin so much. Do you realise you
are responding to *everything* she writes! There is more discussion about
what she writes then what she actually does write. Not just you, but it is
starting to get very boring and on occasion, very nasty.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:23:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/22/2014 4:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, our bank of mailboxes are under the control of the USPS
>>> mail nazis. We can only get replacement keys through them and it comes
>>> with a new lockset. They replace the entire tumbler and latch. My guess
>>> is that it only takes them a few seconds to do this.
>>
>> Still not a big deal. You *can* have the locks replaced if you lose the
>> keys. Call USPS and help Julie stop the drama!
>
>Uh no. USPS is not who does that here. It is the locksmith. I am not
>going to pay for a new lock just to get two keys. It's not free for home
>owners. Not here anyway.
>
>And there's no drama. You people make such ado about everything. Makes me
>wonder if you really have a life!

You're the one detailing your personal life and complaining about the
dumbest shit imaginable here for one and all to read. And we have no
life?? You might also like to explain why it is only YOU who attracts
such reactions and comments here on RFC to begin with...

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:07:20 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 6/22/2014 12:38 AM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:20:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Maybe you'd like driving a couple or three miles from your house to
>> >>> pick
>> >>> up your mail. I sure wouldn't. <shrug>
>> >>>
>> >> I don't see what the BFD is. Bills are paid online so it's not
>> >> mandatory to pick up mail every day. They pick up the mail when they
>> >> go outside the gate to shop or visit. So junk mail builds up in the
>> >> box. So what.
>> >>
>> > You're making some huge assumptions. Everyone pays their bills
>> > online?!
>>
>> Most of my bills are automatic payment. What few aren't are usually paid
>> online. Only ever had a few that I could not. They were medical bills.
>> All but one allowed a phone payment.
>> >
>> > Sure, I pay my bills online. You cannot assume everyone does. Even
>> > though I've opted out of paper billing I still get paper bills for the
>> > important things. Like electricity and water. Know why? Because
>> > electronic devices sometimes FAIL.
>>
>> My mom pays her bills in person. Some elderly people do. She will pay
>> via
>> snail mail if she has to but she thinks it is safer to take the mail into
>> the post office. Never mind the fact that the one post office she
>> usually
>> goes to was the place of many robberies some years back. Robber would
>> stand
>> in there, wait for someone to come in and buy stamps or some such thing,
>> take their purse or wallet and run.
>
> Just because some people are stuck in the past doesn't mean that
> civilization can't advance anyway. My mother lived in the country.
> Her bills, packages and important mail were sent to her PO and
> everything else went to the mailbox at the end of her driveway. It's
> not hard to figure out how to do it - she certainly didn't need to
> collect daily from the PO. In this day and age of paying bills
> online, there's even less reason make the trip.
>
I know. I would think that most people would either pay bills online these
days or have automatic payments. Even my friend with no Internet does
automatic payments for many things.

I was surprised though that my car payment wasn't automatic but... I think
they did it that way because in order to get a lower overall price, we had
to go with Ford financing which is at a higher interest rate. But... We can
refinance after we've made 4 payments which we will do. Unless we have
enough to pay it off by then. And then we'll do that.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:01:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 6/22/2014 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> Property of US Post Office - Do Not Duplicate"
>> >
>> > Gawd almighty. Ask the Post Office to give you replacement keys.
>> > Sure,
>> > you have to pay for them. It's not their fault if the keys were lost.
>>
>> They would require you to call the locksmith and get a new lock put in.
>> Do
>> you think they really have extra keys for all those thousands of
>> mailboxes?
>
>
> You haven't lost all the keys, so it's still possible to make copies.

OMG! You can not legally copy a mailbox key. I know people here have
claimed to do it. But it is illegal. This bears out exactly what I said.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5581312_new-mailbox-key.html

Our post office will not do a thing and will tell me to call a locksmith who
will charge me for a new lock and two keys.

I presume if the person is a renter, their landlord may be able to just
recycle locks and keys, keeping spare ones. I really don't know as I
haven't been a landlord. Or... They may have mailboxes that are not owned
by the USPS. I don't really know.

I can't remember what it cost me to get the locksmith but it wasn't cheap.
So unless I lose that last key, I won't bother. If I do lose it, I will
have no choice.,

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They would require you to call the locksmith and get a new lock put in.
>> Do
>> you think they really have extra keys for all those thousands of
>> mailboxes?
>
> You don't get to choose your locksmith, the USPS contracts with their
> own locksmiths, cost's $15 to re-key for a lost key and I think $3 for
> each key over two.

The more I look into this, the more confused I get! I chose my locksmith.
The post office told me to call one. I did. He told me that consumers can
not purchase the locks. And yet? When I looked for mailbox locks, they are
sold online and even at places like Home Depot but...

I also read that you have to get the exact lock for that box or it will not
fit. Perhaps the particular box that *I* have has a lock that consumers can
not buy. I don't know. From what I read online, the only way to know for
sure what lock you need is to get the postman open the back of the box with
his key and to look inside for some numbers. I do not believe that our
locksmith had to do this. I seem to remember standing down there while he
installed it.

I suppose I could call a locksmith and see if he could get me more keys for
the lock that this have. I'll try that when I have some time on my hands.
This coming week will be a busy one so it will have to wait.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:07:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:22:29 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:45:40 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not the only one who uses my keys.
>>>>>>> I need to keep them where we all can use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous. Have copies made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They can't make a copy of the mail box key.
>>>>>
>>>>>ROTFL.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm not paying a locksmith to redo that lock.
>>>>
>>>>It's a Federal crime to copy a mailbox key... mine is stamped "Do Not
>>>>Duplicate". If you lose your mailbox key a locksmith has to re-key
>>>>the lock and issue new keys... costs $15... not very expensive. PO
>>>>Boxes are re-keyed each time they are reissued.
>>>>http://www.poboxcost.com/
>>>
>>>Same in Aus for PO boxes. I thought Julie was discussing a private
>>>mail box at home?
>>
>> She meant one of those communal mailboxes, several individual boxes
>> that serve a group of homes. Those are owned and operated by the USPS
>> so the individual locked box is the same as a PO Box. Many apartment
>> buildings have a group of boxes in the lobby, those mail boxes are
>> also the same as a PO Box. I've not seen many private keyed
>> mailboxes, those where the box has a lock but the mail is delivered
>> through a slot, same as a slot in a residence door. But where the
>> postman uses a key to deliver mail than the locks on the individual
>> boxes are under the auspices of the USPS. My last PO Box where I
>> lived previously had a combination lock, no key. I never minded
>> having to go to the post office to pick up my mail... I've no reason
>> to pick up my mail every day, once or twice a week is enough. I think
>> the only reason why the USPS delivers mail every day is because
>> otherwise they'd need to have a much larger facility for storage. I
>> don't receive a lot of mail so the smallest PO Box is sufficient, for
>> those who receive a lot of mail they pay more for a larger box.
>> Nowadays a lot of malls and strip malls have a communal box... the
>> communal box keeps the cost of delivery down.
>> Some people collect antique PO Boxes:
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw...+for+a+project
>
>I am glad someone understands! And now that I have posted pics of them,

Where are the links to the pictures?


>they are bashing their looks. I can't really do anything about that.
>Perhaps with a roll of paper towel or two and some cleaner, I could get off
>the mold and dirt but it would only come right back and... That wouldn't
>help with the dents and rust and all the other crap.
>
>I don't know where the thing came from, how it got there or how to get a
>replacement but I'm thinking since it is still standing, they won't do
>anything about it.
>
>I guess I should be happy that it works and it isn't near my house.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 10:53 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>> They would require you to call the locksmith and get a new lock put in.
>>> Do
>>> you think they really have extra keys for all those thousands of
>>> mailboxes?
>>
>> You don't get to choose your locksmith, the USPS contracts with their
>> own locksmiths, cost's $15 to re-key for a lost key and I think $3 for
>> each key over two.
>>
> Absolutely right, Sheldon. If the USPS mailbox has a lock, you can get it
> re-keyed or the lock replaced. Apparently she's too busy figuring out how
> to spend money on ways to store potatoes and onions.

Of COURSE I can get it rekeyed. But I don't want to have to go that route.
It's expensive!

And Sheldon is wrong about the post office contracting locksmiths. Maybe in
his area they do. They sure as heck don't here!

I just tried to search the USPS on this and there are no answers there.

But I did find this and it says that what you have to do varies from area to
area.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/real-...ey-work-2.html

I don't think anybody here lives in Bothell so they don't know how it works
here. Just because you do something one way where you live, doesn't mean it
is that way here.

We have to compost food scraps. I gather that is not common elsewhere.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 9:23 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> Just because some people are stuck in the past doesn't mean that
>> civilization can't advance anyway. My mother lived in the country.
>> Her bills, packages and important mail were sent to her PO and
>> everything else went to the mailbox at the end of her driveway. It's
>> not hard to figure out how to do it - she certainly didn't need to
>> collect daily from the PO. In this day and age of paying bills
>> online, there's even less reason make the trip.
>>
>
> Many bills cannot be paid on line. But they give you ample time so you
> don't have to get the bills every day. I cannot pay my taxes, water and
> sewer, oil and service on line.

Why can't you pay your taxes online? I can. We don't have an oil bill but
our water/sewer and natural gas are automatic payments. The electric and
Terminex do have to be paid each time but I can pay online.
>
> I can pay my house/car insurance on line, but they make is such a PITA I
> find it easier to print a check once a year. Works out to about 10 to 12
> checks a year for all the others.

I write perhaps 2-3 checks per year. Thankfully the school has started
taking cash. I hate writing piddly little checks.
>
> Given the problems that stores have had with data breaches, I don't use my
> debit or credit card in stores very often. Anything less than $100 gets
> paid in cash to minimize exposure.

I almost always pay cash. Unless I am at Target because I got their Red
Card so I save 5% if I use it.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:46:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> OMG! You can not legally copy a mailbox key. I know people here have
> claimed to do it. But it is illegal.

Legal or not, it can be done. You're not going to find a big box
store or a chain (like Ace) that would be willing to do it, but some
out of the way key maker - like (the shoe repairman who also cuts
keys) will do it with no questions asked.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"pltrgyst" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/14, 10:00 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Many bills cannot be paid on line. But they give you ample time so you
>> don't have to get the bills every day. I cannot pay my taxes, water and
>> sewer, oil and service on line.
>
> Really? Any decent bank's bill-paying system should be able to pay
> anything that will accept a check by mail.

Probably true but it could be a PITA to do it that way and you might need
info. that you wouldn't have without calling the place that you owe first.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/22/2014 1:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Our setup not only keeps our mail safe but saves the mailman time. He
>> doesn't have to stop at each house or even every few houses.
>
> Recently read that the PO is requiring that type of group setup in new
> communities.

That very well could be.