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I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article
caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 |
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On May 20, 11:42*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> ImStillMags wrote: > > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. * An Etocracy article > > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...rl/#comments?h... > > I'll pass. *It looks about as dangerous as U.S. beef. > > http://www.greysquirrel.net/brain.html well, I don't think I'd be eating the brains..............eww |
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ImStillMags wrote:
> > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 I'll pass. It looks about as dangerous as U.S. beef. http://www.greysquirrel.net/brain.html |
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On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote: >I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 Yes. My BIL was a hunter and he would bring rabbit, squirrel, turtle, venison, pheasant, duck, geese, doves all kinds of fish and wild mushrooms to my mom. I remember my dad skinning the squirrel and rabbit using a pair of pliers to grab hold and pull. All of the above were good food. We lived in the mid-west in case you are speculating. Janet US |
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On May 20, 12:34*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. * An Etocracy article > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...rl/#comments?h... My dad and grandpa used to hunt squirrel on grandpa's farm, and we'd eat those ... until the day my dad skinned one, and it had all kinds of white dots/specks under the skin, and he said, "No more." N. |
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![]() "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags > > wrote: > >>I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >>caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. >> >>http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 > > Yes. My BIL was a hunter and he would bring rabbit, squirrel, turtle, > venison, pheasant, duck, geese, doves all kinds of fish and wild > mushrooms to my mom. I remember my dad skinning the squirrel and > rabbit using a pair of pliers to grab hold and pull. All of the above > were good food. We lived in the mid-west in case you are speculating. My husband is a hunter too and brings all those except turtle! Whatever he kills, if edible, I will cook and we eat. -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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ImStillMags wrote:
> > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. I grew up in a family with a hunting tradition. I had squirrel an assortment of ways when I was a kid. Best was over an open fire with nothing but heat, smoke and worchestershire sauce. Tastey, small, lean. Similar to rabbit. |
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![]() Janet Bostwick wrote: > > On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags > > wrote: > > >I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article > >caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 > > Yes. My BIL was a hunter and he would bring rabbit, squirrel, turtle, > venison, pheasant, duck, geese, doves all kinds of fish and wild > mushrooms to my mom. I remember my dad skinning the squirrel and > rabbit using a pair of pliers to grab hold and pull. All of the above > were good food. We lived in the mid-west in case you are speculating. > Janet US I've had squirrel in the past, stewed with tomatoes and peppers and it was quite good. Not at all unlike chicken wings done similarly. This was in CT by the way. |
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![]() "Doug Freyburger" wrote in message ... ImStillMags wrote: > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. I grew up in a family with a hunting tradition. I had squirrel an assortment of ways when I was a kid. Best was over an open fire with nothing but heat, smoke and worchestershire sauce. Tastey, small, lean. Similar to rabbit. I don't think they are like rabbit. They are tougher and not as tasty. The hind quarters where most of the meat is is kind of tough. You are better off eating their nuts. |
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ImStillMags > wrote:
>I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 It isn't bad. I like it in a cacciatore like sauce, or braised. It is similar in appearance to chicken drumsticks, and is dark meat. But it *doesn't* taste like chicken.<g> [or rabbit, to me] Jim |
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On May 20, 12:34*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. * I battle with the little buggers every day to keep them out of my bird feeders. It never once occured to me to cook one. |
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Tom Biasi wrote:
> > The hind quarters where most of the meat is is kind of tough. You are better > off eating their nuts. Must be awfully small. |
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projectile vomit chick wrote:
> On May 20, 12:34 pm, ImStillMags > wrote: >> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. > > I battle with the little buggers every day to keep them out of my bird > feeders. It never once occured to me to cook one. I have my bird feeders on a pole. Squirrels got a real kick out of shimmying up that. One feeder is the type where the hopper closes if they try to stand on it, no problem, they hook their feet on the handle and dangle over the side like something out of James Bond. I got a good size baffle to put on the pole and they haven't figured out how to get around it yet, and it's been a few years. Of course, keep the feeder away from trees or they'll just drop in like trapeze artists. nancy |
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On May 20, 1:43*pm, projectile vomit chick
> wrote: > On May 20, 12:34*pm, ImStillMags > wrote: > > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. * > > I battle with the little buggers every day to keep them out of my bird > feeders. *It never once occured to me to cook one. Yabbut you gotta clean it...no thanks. |
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On Fri, 20 May 2011 16:22:21 -0400, "Tom Biasi"
> wrote: >I don't think they are like rabbit. They are tougher and not as tasty. >The hind quarters where most of the meat is is kind of tough. You are better >off eating their nuts. I tried cooking them and eating their nuts once, but they were so tiny you would need a thousand of them to get full! Wait....which nuts? |
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yes grew up on it... my aunt makes the best squirrell and dumplings ever
eaten... her chicken same way... think similar to rabbit, closer to wild rabbit than tame, and less meat, not something i would think to ask for, but made properly i won't turn it down, Lee "ImStillMags" > wrote in message ... > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 |
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lots of people scramble them with eggs, now that is the part i pass on, Lee
"ImStillMags" > wrote in message ... On May 20, 11:42 am, Mark Thorson > wrote: > ImStillMags wrote: > > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article > > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...rl/#comments?h... > > I'll pass. It looks about as dangerous as U.S. beef. > > http://www.greysquirrel.net/brain.html well, I don't think I'd be eating the brains..............eww |
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just about any rabbit recipe can be successfully done with squirrel, Lee
"Pete C." > wrote in message ster.com... > > Janet Bostwick wrote: >> >> On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags >> > wrote: >> >> >I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >> >caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. >> > >> >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 >> >> Yes. My BIL was a hunter and he would bring rabbit, squirrel, turtle, >> venison, pheasant, duck, geese, doves all kinds of fish and wild >> mushrooms to my mom. I remember my dad skinning the squirrel and >> rabbit using a pair of pliers to grab hold and pull. All of the above >> were good food. We lived in the mid-west in case you are speculating. >> Janet US > > I've had squirrel in the past, stewed with tomatoes and peppers and it > was quite good. Not at all unlike chicken wings done similarly. This was > in CT by the way. |
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On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote: >I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > >http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 Squirrels, like rabbits, get lots of fur and skin parasites during warm weather. There are two ways of dealing with it. One is hunting them only after a hard freeze with rabbits. The hard freeze kills off the nasties and they fall of the animal. Another way is to put the cleaned carcass into a plastic bag, seal the bag and put it into the freezer for a week. A freezer that gets below minus 4F and stays there. I use one that stays at about -20F. That too will kill the parasites. Then just cook the meat using any recipe that's good for chicken. Like chicken, make sure the meat gets to 180F before eating it. The taste is different, but those cooking methods work well for the little guys. |
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On May 20, 3:22*pm, "Tom Biasi" > wrote:
> "Doug Freyburger" *wrote in ... > ImStillMags wrote: > > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. > > I grew up in a family with a hunting tradition. *I had squirrel an > assortment of ways when I was a kid. *Best was over an open fire with > nothing but heat, smoke and worchestershire sauce. > > Tastey, small, lean. *Similar to rabbit. > > I don't think they are like rabbit. They are tougher and not as tasty. They aren't bad if you don't dislike the taste of acorns. We were given a few of them by some locals in the Ozark back country. I over- brined them, so they were too salty, even for me. They are very lean and tough. > The hind quarters where most of the meat is is kind of tough. Very tough. My mother fried some once when I was a small child, and they were OK. In southern Missouri people eat them a lot because they are so abundant. My step-mother showed me how to skin them. It is one of the few interactions that I ever remember having with her. She was a hillbilly who my father married, and the only thing I have against her is that she married that asshole. She described skinning them as having to "pull off their little pajamas." > You are better off eating their nuts. Those are very tiny, and it'd take hundreds of them to make a meal. But seriously, if you mean the nuts they eat, hickory nuts are positively delicious, and if they were eating only those, I bet they'd be delicious, but they eat a lot of acorns. People pay big money for acorn fed pork, but they can have my share of that too. I wish that I liked the taste of acorns, and acorn fed mammals. Both are abundant around here. --Bryan |
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![]() "Landon" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags > > wrote: > >>I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >>caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. >> >>http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 > > Squirrels, like rabbits, get lots of fur and skin parasites during > warm weather. There are two ways of dealing with it. > > One is hunting them only after a hard freeze with rabbits. The hard > freeze kills off the nasties and they fall of the animal. > > Another way is to put the cleaned carcass into a plastic bag, seal the > bag and put it into the freezer for a week. A freezer that gets below > minus 4F and stays there. I use one that stays at about -20F. > > That too will kill the parasites. Then just cook the meat using any > recipe that's good for chicken. Like chicken, make sure the meat gets > to 180F before eating it. The taste is different, but those cooking > methods work well for the little guys. Hubby always skins everything in the field. -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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On Sat, 21 May 2011 10:30:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote: >Hubby always skins everything in the field. That's a great way to start. However, lots of people are infected with flesh boring parasites because of underdone meat that wasn't protected by freezing first. The infestation is painful and the treatment is intrusive and expensive. A simple freezing at -4F or lower for a week will prevent that from ever happening to you. Luck only goes so far. |
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that means i am probably related to your stepmother... Lee
"Bryan" > wrote in message ... On May 20, 3:22 pm, "Tom Biasi" > wrote: > "Doug Freyburger" wrote in ... > ImStillMags wrote: > > > I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. > > I grew up in a family with a hunting tradition. I had squirrel an > assortment of ways when I was a kid. Best was over an open fire with > nothing but heat, smoke and worchestershire sauce. > > Tastey, small, lean. Similar to rabbit. > > I don't think they are like rabbit. They are tougher and not as tasty. They aren't bad if you don't dislike the taste of acorns. We were given a few of them by some locals in the Ozark back country. I over- brined them, so they were too salty, even for me. They are very lean and tough. > The hind quarters where most of the meat is is kind of tough. Very tough. My mother fried some once when I was a small child, and they were OK. In southern Missouri people eat them a lot because they are so abundant. My step-mother showed me how to skin them. It is one of the few interactions that I ever remember having with her. She was a hillbilly who my father married, and the only thing I have against her is that she married that asshole. She described skinning them as having to "pull off their little pajamas." > You are better off eating their nuts. Those are very tiny, and it'd take hundreds of them to make a meal. But seriously, if you mean the nuts they eat, hickory nuts are positively delicious, and if they were eating only those, I bet they'd be delicious, but they eat a lot of acorns. People pay big money for acorn fed pork, but they can have my share of that too. I wish that I liked the taste of acorns, and acorn fed mammals. Both are abundant around here. --Bryan |
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![]() "Storrmmee" wrote in message ... > You are better off eating their nuts. I wrote that line to see who I could bait:-) Those are very tiny, and it'd take hundreds of them to make a meal. But seriously, if you mean the nuts they eat, hickory nuts are positively delicious, and if they were eating only those, I bet they'd be delicious, but they eat a lot of acorns. People pay big money for acorn fed pork, but they can have my share of that too. I wish that I liked the taste of acorns, and acorn fed mammals. Both are abundant around here. Bryan Acorns need to be boiled in several changes of water to be able to eat. Large amounts of tannin. I had a hickory tree in my front yard for many years, I would try to get some before the squirrels got them all. Tom |
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![]() "Landon" > wrote in message news ![]() > On Sat, 21 May 2011 10:30:26 +0100, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >>Hubby always skins everything in the field. > > That's a great way to start. However, lots of people are infected with > flesh boring parasites because of underdone meat that wasn't protected > by freezing first. The infestation is painful and the treatment is > intrusive and expensive. > > A simple freezing at -4F or lower for a week will prevent that from > ever happening to you. Luck only goes so far. I trust him, he is very experienced. -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Tom Biasi wrote:
> > Acorns need to be boiled in several changes of water to be able to eat. > Large amounts of tannin. > I had a hickory tree in my front yard for many years, I would try to get > some before the squirrels got them all. When planting any type of nut tree there's a suggestion to plant at least one row of oaks around the outside to keep the squirrels fed. Combined with efforts to keep the squirrels out (like in the subject line for example) there will be enough of the other nuts left to harvest. |
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On May 21, 8:37*am, "Tom Biasi" > wrote:
> > I had a hickory tree in my front yard for many years, I would try to get > some before the squirrels got them all. Hickory nuts are delicious. > > Tom --Bryab |
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On 5/20/2011 1:34 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article > caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. > > http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 My grandfather used to hunt rabbit and squirrel. My sister and I lived with him when we were in high school. We would do the cooking. So I often cooked squirrel. I would just lard it with bacon and roast it. I never really had access to any squirrel recipes. By the time I came across a recipe for Brunswick stew my grandfather was dead and I no longer had a source of squirrels. :-( Sigh. Anyway, as I recall squirrel tastes similar to rabbit. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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On 5/25/2011 11:53 AM, Kate Connally wrote:
> On 5/20/2011 1:34 PM, ImStillMags wrote: >> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >> caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. >> >> http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...omments?hpt=C2 >> > > My grandfather used to hunt rabbit and squirrel. My sister and > I lived with him when we were in high school. We would do the > cooking. So I often cooked squirrel. I would just lard it with > bacon and roast it. I never really had access to any squirrel > recipes. By the time I came across a recipe for Brunswick stew > my grandfather was dead and I no longer had a source of squirrels. > :-( Sigh. Anyway, as I recall squirrel tastes similar to rabbit. > > Kate > A little like wild rabbit, all dark meat. Domestic, aka tame, rabbit, is a white meat delicacy. Don't buy any of the Chinese rabbit on the market, I'm not sure it isn't cat. Check around for individuals that raise rabbits to sell for meat. Lots of folks getting a few chickens nowadays. Much easier to raise rabbits in cages raised off the ground, fed alfalfa pellets with easy access to water. Lovely meat and ready to eat at eight weeks old. Female rabbits will have eight to twelve little ones and be ready to breed and bear again in a month. Another easy to raise source of meat for the home is cavy, aka guinea pig. For info on both go he http://www.arba.net/ |
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On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:01:47 -0500, Andy wrote:
> Kate Connally > wrote: > >> On 5/20/2011 1:34 PM, ImStillMags wrote: >>> I've never had the pleasure of trying squirrel. An Etocracy article >>> caught my eye today and made me want tot try it. >>> >>> http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/...irl/#comments? > hp >>> t=C2 >> >> My grandfather used to hunt rabbit and squirrel. My sister and >> I lived with him when we were in high school. We would do the >> cooking. So I often cooked squirrel. I would just lard it with >> bacon and roast it. I never really had access to any squirrel >> recipes. By the time I came across a recipe for Brunswick stew >> my grandfather was dead and I no longer had a source of squirrels. >>:-( Sigh. Anyway, as I recall squirrel tastes similar to rabbit. >> >> Kate > > Kate, > > The Gourmet cookbook volumes have some squirrel recipes in the "Wild > Game" section. > > Haven't tried squirrel yet. > > Best, > > Andy for you to eat a squirrel would be cannibalism. blake |
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Andy wrote:
> No legs murphy... Not to be confused with dickless, brainless Andy? > You're so far from being the least bit amusing. He's *far* more amusing than you have *ever* been around here. > But then again, you always knew that! The best part is he's confident and knows he doesn't have to *try* as hard as you. And yet you fail miserable here on a daily basis. > For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing > matter. LOL!!! You have a dead landmine between your ears, Andy. It's little wee pin is between your legs. Admit defeat and just STFU > Andy Regards, Your mother |
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![]() "Goomba" > wrote in message ... > Andy wrote: > >> No legs murphy... > > Not to be confused with dickless, brainless Andy? > >> You're so far from being the least bit amusing. > > He's *far* more amusing than you have *ever* been around here. > >> But then again, you always knew that! > > The best part is he's confident and knows he doesn't have to *try* as hard > as you. And yet you fail miserable here on a daily basis. > >> For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing >> matter. LOL!!! > > You have a dead landmine between your ears, Andy. It's little wee pin is > between your legs. Admit defeat and just STFU > >> Andy > > Regards, > Your mother *APPLAUSE* -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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not sure who pleased me more, blake or gumba... but i am in a considerably
better mood now, Lee "Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > "Goomba" > wrote in message > ... >> Andy wrote: >> >>> No legs murphy... >> >> Not to be confused with dickless, brainless Andy? >> >>> You're so far from being the least bit amusing. >> >> He's *far* more amusing than you have *ever* been around here. >> >>> But then again, you always knew that! >> >> The best part is he's confident and knows he doesn't have to *try* as >> hard as you. And yet you fail miserable here on a daily basis. >> >>> For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing >>> matter. LOL!!! >> >> You have a dead landmine between your ears, Andy. It's little wee pin is >> between your legs. Admit defeat and just STFU >> >>> Andy >> >> Regards, >> Your mother > > *APPLAUSE* > > -- > -- > > https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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On May 26, 2:29*pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Andy wrote: > > No legs murphy... > > Not to be confused with dickless, brainless Andy? > > > You're so far from being the least bit amusing. > > He's *far* more amusing than you have *ever* been around here. > > > But then again, you always knew that! > > The best part is he's confident and knows he doesn't have to *try* as > hard as you. And yet you fail miserable here on a daily basis. > > > For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing > > matter. LOL!!! > > You have a dead landmine between your ears, Andy. It's little wee pin is > between your legs. Admit defeat and just STFU > > > Andy > > Regards, > Your mother As much as I personally dislike Blake, there's a decent chance that he has some redeeming personal characteristics. Andy has none. --Bryan |
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we agree on andy anyway, Lee
"Bryan" > wrote in message ... On May 26, 2:29 pm, Goomba > wrote: > Andy wrote: > > No legs murphy... > > Not to be confused with dickless, brainless Andy? > > > You're so far from being the least bit amusing. > > He's *far* more amusing than you have *ever* been around here. > > > But then again, you always knew that! > > The best part is he's confident and knows he doesn't have to *try* as > hard as you. And yet you fail miserable here on a daily basis. > > > For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing > > matter. LOL!!! > > You have a dead landmine between your ears, Andy. It's little wee pin is > between your legs. Admit defeat and just STFU > > > Andy > > Regards, > Your mother As much as I personally dislike Blake, there's a decent chance that he has some redeeming personal characteristics. Andy has none. --Bryan |
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 14:23:46 -0500, Andy wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote: > >>> The Gourmet cookbook volumes have some squirrel recipes in the "Wild >>> Game" section. >>> >>> Haven't tried squirrel yet. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Andy >> >> for you to eat a squirrel would be cannibalism. >> >> blake > > No legs murphy... > > You're so far from being the least bit amusing. > > But then again, you always knew that! > > For anyone else but you, stepping on a landmine would not be a laughing > matter. LOL!!! > > Andy what is it with you and the land mine? was mommy scared by one in the womb? blake |
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 15:20:24 -0500, Andy wrote:
> The three of you combined make up one surefire mother****ing hen! > > LOLOLOL!!! > > Have a nice day! > > Andy you're the dumbest dumbshit on the list, by far. everyone laughs *at* you because you're so ****ing stupid. blake |
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On Fri, 27 May 2011 13:19:50 -0500, Andy wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote: > >> On Thu, 26 May 2011 15:20:24 -0500, Andy wrote: >> >>> The three of you combined make up one surefire mother****ing hen! >>> >>> LOLOLOL!!! >>> >>> Have a nice day! >>> >>> Andy >> >> you're the dumbest dumbshit on the list, by far. everyone laughs *at* >> you because you're so ****ing stupid. >> >> blake > > No Legs murphy, > > I made a valid on topic post but you went ahead and inserted an dumb > insult at me, effectively tainting the thread that still "had plenty of > legs" in a positive direction. you want a ****ing medal because you finally managed to make an on-topic post? blake |
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On Sat, 28 May 2011 18:18:09 -0500, Andy wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 May 2011 13:19:50 -0500, Andy wrote: >> >>> blake murphy > wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 26 May 2011 15:20:24 -0500, Andy wrote: >>>> >>>>> The three of you combined make up one surefire mother****ing hen! >>>>> >>>>> LOLOLOL!!! >>>>> >>>>> Have a nice day! >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>> >>>> you're the dumbest dumbshit on the list, by far. everyone laughs >>>> *at* you because you're so ****ing stupid. >>>> >>>> blake >>> >>> No Legs murphy, >>> >>> I made a valid on topic post but you went ahead and inserted an dumb >>> insult at me, effectively tainting the thread that still "had plenty >>> of legs" in a positive direction. >> >> you want a ****ing medal because you finally managed to make an >> on-topic post? >> >> blake > > No Legs murphy, > > You're such a creep! > > Andy better a creep than a complete ****ing idiot. besides, not many here would agree with you. blake |
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