On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:41:45 -0700, Serene Vannoy wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>
>> I would be annoyed if they were dumping out my trash to look for
>> recyclables, as someone said happens.
>
> Never happens to me, and that would be a separate issue, I'd think.

yes, that would be different.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:19:27 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>>
>>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they
>>>> recycle they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying
>>>> more for the service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the
>>>> trash pickup service might be affected by someone picking through
>>>> for the choice bits....
>>>
>>> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a
>>> month or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get
>>> anything they need from my trash, sign me up.
>>>
>>
>> Me too. Jesus, people. You're buying all this expensive food, these
>> major ****ing appliances, and begrudging the poor your trash? Shame
>> on you.
>
> Who the hell want the homeless rummaging through their trash...attracting
> the homeless is not really something a normal person aspires to do..

so gangs of the homeless are hanging around waiting to go through your
trash? do tell.

blake

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:34:27 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Goomba wrote:
>
>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>> Goomba wrote:
>>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>>
>>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they
>>>> recycle they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying
>>>> more for the service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the
>>>> trash pickup service might be affected by someone picking through
>>>> for the choice bits....
>>>
>>> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a
>>> month or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get
>>> anything they need from my trash, sign me up.
>>>
>>> Serene
>>
>> Good. Give 'em your cash if it'll keep them from picking through my
>> trash. I wouldn't want them to get a paper cut.
>
> Yup...*exactly*.
>
> :-)

such a charming pair.

blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:42:05 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> We had a man living under the deck when I first
>> moved to St. Louis. The garage was heated and the vents came out under
>> the deck area. The condo was on the ground level. I used to put plates
>> of food under the deck now and then during the winter months. The
>> neighbors were outraged about it but you know me. I politely told them
>> to *F* off. Somehow the guy made the news. His sisters had apparently
>> been looking for him for several years and were delighted to find him.
>> I guess they took him home because I never saw him again. Hopefully it
>> was 1 happy ending.
>>
>> Michael
>>
> You fed him plates of food under the deck like you'd do to a dog?
> Why didn't you invite him *in* for a meal?

begrudging him items from your trash is not the same as 'not inviting him
in.'

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:10:55 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>
>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>> company not with them.
>>>
>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>
> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
> recycling they steal.

so what...you get a buck or two off? sure you can spare it?

your pal,
blake

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba > :
> in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Stu" > wrote in message >
>>>> Technically the garbage is still on his property, so the person
>>>> going through
>>>> it was trespassing and stealing. As for the garbage company, they
>>>> has been given the right under contract to enter the property and
>>>> remove the recyclables.
>>>
>>> Technically, maybe not. Most towns have a right of way along the
>>> street for a few feet. If I put my trash by the curb, it is on town
>>> property, not mine.
>>>
>> I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but
>> the town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement.
>> That doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to
>> use or abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the
>> right of easement.
>
> Our street is different, I guess. Our street is private and the
> homeowners all share in the ownership and maintenance of the street. We
> have to pay to have it repaved etc. which we pay a yearly "dues" to the
> association. So I guess technically we own the actually street. I'm not
> really sure how it all works. We do get the street plowed in the winter
> by the city and AFAIK, we don't pay for it other than our usual taxes
> etc.
>
> Michael
>
>
Every municipality and circumstance is different... one would need to
carefully read their deed to know their land boundaries and easements.
Where I live I'm on a County Road, the County owns the 50" road bed, but in
some areas the utility companies have easements that occur more than 25'
from the road center, in some instances the phone company has easements
across many properties running miles for burying wire.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:25:57 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:44:40 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>
>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>
>>>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>>
>>> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
>>> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
>>> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
>>> recycling they steal.
>>>
>>I see. I missed that up thread. You must really need the money if you
>>begrudge needy people your trash. Ugh.
>>
> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
> are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>

god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
bucks without 'working' for it.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:52:26 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>
>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>> company not with them.
>>>>
>>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>
>>it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
>>person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
>>trash.*
>>
>>way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>
> Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
> cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
> fun.
>
> Lou

i guess not. but that wasn't mentioned as part of the objection.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:32:19 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people
>>>>>> rummaging in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an
>>>>>> interesting article in the "New York Times" this morning
>>>>>> entitled, "Is It Now A Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>
>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>
>>>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>
>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>
>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>
>> Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
>> cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
>> fun.
>
> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the homeless
> continually rummaging through trash receptacles, especially on the street.
> Homeless in my 'hood are always making a big mess by going through peoples'
> dumpsters, sometimes they've even started fires on the trash. Last week
> this happened to a neighboring building, two firetrucks were called it. It
> all amounted to nothing, but it *sure* cost us taxpayers *something*.
>
> Last summer some psycho homeless **** took a part of a 2x4 out of a dumpster
> down the street and heaved it through a neighbor's picture window. Very
> nice...another 911 call at *someone's* expense...and this particular
> homeless **** is *still* roaming the streets, I see...
>
> If blake and serene and cyberkitty are so "concerned" about the homeless,
> they might invite some into their homes to live with them, lol...
>
> I'm pretty sick of the homeless continually badgering myself and others and
> making pest of themselves, they are one facet of urban life that I
> *heartily* detest. They are a cancer on the landscape of city life...

maybe you need to follow the republican solution...i.e., make some money
and move the **** out of there.

blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:35:18 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Stu" > wrote in message >
>>> Technically the garbage is still on his property, so the person going
>>> through
>>> it was trespassing and stealing. As for the garbage company, they has been
>>> given the right under contract to enter the property and remove the
>>> recyclables.
>>
>> Technically, maybe not. Most towns have a right of way along the street for
>> a few feet. If I put my trash by the curb, it is on town property, not
>> mine.
>>
> I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but
> the town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement.
> That doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to
> use or abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the right
> of easement.

maybe you could hire a couple of armed guards to watch over your garbage.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:32:19 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:


Just to let you know, I have to stop reading when I see Greggie's name. Life
is too short to read ****tards, especially malicious ****tards.

blake murphy wrote:

>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
>> are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>
>
> god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
> bucks without 'working' for it.
>
> your pal,
> blake

They're welcome to all they can find on the public streets. Not only
does it help them but it certainly helps keep things tidy looking.

They are not welcome to rummage through my cans (not that its ever
happened to me, thankfully) as I have already contracted with my trash
service for the recyclable items.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:33:39 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:10:55 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>
>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>> company not with them.
>>>>
>>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>
>> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
>> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
>> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
>> recycling they steal.
>
>so what...you get a buck or two off? sure you can spare it?
>
So, stealing at the grocery store isn't ok but stealing elsewhere is
just fine. I see.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>mandatory locks on recycling bins

Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 11 Aug 2009 12:33:04 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Are those those small, almost round ones? I've seen those in the markets
>if those are the melons you are referring to. I haven't bought one.

If they are, I've eaten that type and they are incredibly sweet &
tasty - well worth buying.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

blake murphy wrote:

> On 10 Aug 2009 21:10:56 GMT, Default User wrote:

> > That's another new thing, we used to be able to choose our own
> > hauler. I was a little ticked off at first by the single provider,
> > but I have to say that it's actually cheaper now and includes
> > single-stream recycling, which I didn't have before. My weekly
> > amount of non-recyclable trash is so small that I just put a
> > plastic "tall can" bag in the kitchen trash, then put that out on
> > regular trash day.

> what!?!?! free-market competition was not the best solution?! say it
> ain't so!

I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The main
reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce traffic on
the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying with the
county's new recycling mandate.




Brian

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Default User wrote:

> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The main
> reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce traffic on
> the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying with the
> county's new recycling mandate.

I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.

nancy

Default User wrote:

> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The main
> reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce traffic on
> the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying with the
> county's new recycling mandate.
> Brian

That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have Company
A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A but with
twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with their various
pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a week there are
cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd love it if all
the companies would use the same two days a week.

Nancy Young wrote:

> Default User wrote:
>
> > I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
> > main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
> > traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
> > with the county's new recycling mandate.
>
> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time?

There were about four haulers that used to work my area. There were
more at various times, but several were bought by Waste Management or
MidWest Waste over the years. The trucks never really bothered me, but
some people complained.

> And
> people putting out their garbage on different days?

There was some variation on the days. I was with a couple different
haulers over ten years. Trash was either Monday or Tuesday for me. Yard
waste generally would flip with it, although my last hauler made them
the same day to cut down on traffic. Haulers also offered a second
trash day on Thursday, but I didn't need it. Recycling was a different
day, but I didn't sign up for it back then.

Now, recycling and yard waste is on Monday and trash on Tuesday on my
street. I notice that other areas of the city have a different
schedule, as I will see the blue recycle bins out on other days.

> On the face of
> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.

I was ok with the old way, but I'm ok with the new one as well. I feel
somewhat more virtuous with the recycling.



Brian

--
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blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:32:19 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people
>>>>>>> rummaging in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an
>>>>>>> interesting article in the "New York Times" this morning
>>>>>>> entitled, "Is It Now A Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>>
>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>
>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>
>>> Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
>>> cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
>>> fun.
>>
>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the
>> homeless continually rummaging through trash receptacles, especially
>> on the street. Homeless in my 'hood are always making a big mess by
>> going through peoples' dumpsters, sometimes they've even started
>> fires on the trash. Last week this happened to a neighboring
>> building, two firetrucks were called it. It all amounted to
>> nothing, but it *sure* cost us taxpayers *something*.
>>
>> Last summer some psycho homeless **** took a part of a 2x4 out of a
>> dumpster down the street and heaved it through a neighbor's picture
>> window. Very nice...another 911 call at *someone's* expense...and
>> this particular homeless **** is *still* roaming the streets, I
>> see...
>>
>> If blake and serene and cyberkitty are so "concerned" about the
>> homeless, they might invite some into their homes to live with them,
>> lol...
>>
>> I'm pretty sick of the homeless continually badgering myself and
>> others and making pest of themselves, they are one facet of urban
>> life that I *heartily* detest. They are a cancer on the landscape
>> of city life...
>
> maybe you need to follow the republican solution...i.e., make some
> money and move the **** out of there.


I live in a pretty affluent area, blake...


--
Best
Greg

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" >
> m: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Last summer some psycho homeless **** took a part of a 2x4 out of a
>> dumpster down the street and heaved it through a neighbor's picture
>> window. Very nice...another 911 call at *someone's* expense...and
>> this particular homeless **** is *still* roaming the streets, I
>> see...
>
> That was always a concern when we lived in the CWE. But then that's
> what fences were for in that area. Wether it's the homeless or the
> swarms of hoodlums it goes with the territory IMO.


Yup..."city life" and all that...


>> If blake and serene and cyberkitty are so "concerned" about the
>> homeless, they might invite some into their homes to live with them,
>> lol...
>
> But what would that do to help the homeless in general? Nothing.
>


Well, in blake's case he could roll his skinny ass to a social service
agency and do some volunteer work for the homeless if he's so concerned and
all...I know for a fact that there is *plenty* of need in DC.



>> I'm pretty sick of the homeless continually badgering myself and
>> others and making pest of themselves, they are one facet of urban
>> life that I *heartily* detest. They are a cancer on the landscape
>> of city life...
>
> The panhandlers used to really **** me off. Some of them could be
> very aggressive. Did you know it's legal to panhandle in the city of
> St. Louis? A cop I know said it's not illegal for people to
> panhandle but he told me a couple of exceptions which I don't
> remember.


Some that work the suckers in heavily - touristed places here (Michigan Ave,
Navy Pier, etc.) make pretty good money I'd guess...then there are the "I've
lost my wallet and I need $3.25 to get home on the commuter train
tonight..." scammers.


--
Best
Greg

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:47:35 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
>bucks without 'working' for it.

I didn't want to get into that part, but basically they are being
abused by their families. It ticks me off no end. They are in
virtual slavery cooking, cleaning, taking care of small children,
scavenging etc etc with the thread of being sent back to the old
country if they don't do it all.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Goomba wrote:

> Default User wrote:
>
> > I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
> > main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
> > traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
> > with the county's new recycling mandate.
> > Brian
>
> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.

Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.



Brian

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"Goomba" > wrote in message >>
> I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but the
> town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement. That
> doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to use or
> abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the right of
> easement.

The property stakes for my lot are about 10' in from the curb. Yours may be
different. My mailbox is on town property as is the last 10' of my
driveway.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.
> nancy

Our town used to have that. The guy I had used to come to the back of the
garage to get the trash and then put the cans back. Weekly pickup for $5 a
month. Now the town has a pay by bag sticker deal and they take recyclables
for free.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
>> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
>> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
>> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.
>> nancy
>
> Our town used to have that. The guy I had used to come to the back
> of the garage to get the trash and then put the cans back.

I've known of towns that had that. You sure didn't see garbage
cans on their street.

> Weekly
> pickup for $5 a month. Now the town has a pay by bag sticker deal
> and they take recyclables for free.

I pay a little over $200 a year for twice weekly pickup, plus once a
month newspaper and cans & bottle recycling. Luckily, at least in my
area of town, it's taken care of by the township. No worries about
arranging with different trash companies and the schedule is the same
for everyone.

nancy

maxine wrote:

>>
>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>> in recycling bins set out for collection,
>
> The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
> bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
> an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
> property and if you take it, you are a thief!
>
> You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
> only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.
>
> I have never seen them enforcing that law for the trash part of the
> trash. People come by and take lawn mowers, tvs, couches, and whole
> house furnishings in college neighborhoods in May....


A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
summer school ended. It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
loads of furniture, etc.

One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
so I had to just pitch it."

Reminds me of locker cleanout day at our high school when we purged
nominally "empty" lockers of the stuff the kids left behind. It was
nothing to pull out textbooks, library books, $100 graphing calculators,
$200+ down jackets, CD players, Ipods, and (ugh) still wrapped food they
were supposed to deliver from months-before fund raisers or Mom's
Tupperware with green growths inside.

The staff returned the books to the places the kids were too lazy to do,
the clothing went to Goodwill, calculators and pens, pencils, backpacks
went to the counseling dept. to be distributed to our less affluent kids
in the fall.

To paraphrase Mr. Rogers, "Can you say irresponsible, boys and girls?"

gloria p

Nancy Young wrote:
> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.
> nancy

Not sure I would like several garbage trucks driving up and down the
streets day after day. :-( Our city and the recycle center picks up
our waste once a week.


The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in the
recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have one
little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.


Becca

Gloria P wrote:

> A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
> summer school ended. It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
> and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
> loads of furniture, etc.
>
> One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
> so I had to just pitch it."

Military barracks are like that too. Soldiers who have their own
microwaves or small appliances, ironing boards and the like will toss
them when they transfer to a new duty station.
One thing I liked about one military post overseas was that they
accepted opened, half used containers of household cleaners or chemicals
and such so anyone who needed something on arrival could pick up a
donated can of oven cleaner or whatever and it wouldn't go into the
landfill.

Default User wrote:

>> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
>> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
>> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
>> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
>> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
>> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.
>
> Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
> trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.


We have it way too simple here. It is all taken care of by the regional
municipality, which consists of 4 cities and several towns within the
region. While they various municipalities used to all have their own
garbage collection, the region contracts now contracts the services.
House on the south side side of our road have their trash picked up on
Mondays and, being on the north side, ours is picked up on Thursdays. We
put out the compost garbage in the green bin, regular garbage in a green
bag and recycle material in the gray box (paper and cardboard) or the
blue box (bottles, plastic and cans). The only tricky part is that the
blue box goes out one week and the grey box the next week. However,
there is a limit of one garbage bag. You can get a sticker for a second
bag, but that has never been a problem.

However, if you do a massive cleanup and have a lot of stuff, you can
pack it into the car or a truck and take it to the dump. There is a
minimum $5 charge for up to 100 kg. My last trip, after cleaning out my
barn, cost me $10. My car as absolutely packed.

Becca wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
>> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
>> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
>> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me.

> Not sure I would like several garbage trucks driving up and down the
> streets day after day. :-( Our city and the recycle center picks up
> our waste once a week.

I guess it's my delicate sensibilities. Heh. Besides, talk about wasteful,
all those trucks covering the same route over an over.

> The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
> blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in the
> recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have one
> little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.

Wow, now that's something to be proud of. I'm impressed.

nancy

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" >

>>
>> Who the hell want the homeless rummaging through their
> trash...attracting
>> the homeless is not really something a normal person aspires to do..
>
> Well, I don't think anyone "aspires" to do
>
> Michael
>



I doubt very much that anyone "aspires" to be homeless, either.
IIRC, we have Pres Ronald Reagan to thank for "liberating"
the mentally ill from government-sponsored hospitals. I believe
he said he thought they'd be "happier" on the street.

gloria p

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:12:50 GMT, notbob > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>
>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the homeless
>> continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......
>
>No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
>morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
>folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.

When I lived at 8,500' in the Colorado Rockies, we learned fast to
keep our garbags cans in the garage along with the grill. And I also
learned not to put hummingbird feeders out *at all*

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>
>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>
>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.

LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
out of residential neighborhoods. One of my chores at work is to
monitor city council actions (long and very boring story here) and I
am often amazed at the idiocy the city council spends their time and
energy on. They recently passed a measure to "show solidarity" with
"our ******* and *** brothers and sisters in Iraq," another one to
"show support for Iranian freedom seekers" and the one that *really*
had me scratching my head: was to declare as illegal candy flavored
illegal drugs.

OB: had parmesan talipia for lunch today that was just wunnerful.
Wonder if McCormick and Schmick's shares recipes...

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Gloria P wrote:

>
> I doubt very much that anyone "aspires" to be homeless, either.
> IIRC, we have Pres Ronald Reagan to thank for "liberating"
> the mentally ill from government-sponsored hospitals. I believe
> he said he thought they'd be "happier" on the street.
>
> gloria p

There is a lot of blame placed on Reagan here that is hardly his fault.
During the time he's accused of de-institutionalizing psych patients,
ALL states were cutting their funding (NOT just California) and this all
began before Reagan became president.

During this period the courts and many patient advocates were also
pushing for care in the "least restrictive" environment. And of course
psych patients also are well known for going off their meds when they
feel like it, and can't always be "forced" to take them against their
wills. Patients have rights, y'know? This certainly does allow for a
poor ability to self care.
Meds were changing during this period also. The choices and treatments
were changing pretty rapidly. Meds and treatments change and we're even
going back to some old treatments again with a new eye (shock therapy
anyone?)

An excellent medical writer, fellow nurse and fairly active poster I
know online worth reading is Kurt Ullman. For years he's written on
these issues and is worth checking into the archives to read up on this
topic.

Goomba wrote:

> There is a lot of blame placed on Reagan here that is hardly his fault.
> During the time he's accused of de-institutionalizing psych patients,
> ALL states were cutting their funding (NOT just California) and this all
> began before Reagan became president.

We had the same thing up here. There was a time when people who were
unable to take care of themselves or who were a danger to themselves
were committed to institutions. Some thought that was bad thing so they
let a lot of them out. Now they are roaming the streets and have no
place to stay. Then there are the pan handlers who tend to be young
people who left their homes in smaller towns and cities and headed to
larger cities where pickings were better for panhandling and they fell
into a bad life.

It wasn't that long ago that there were vagrancy laws. We didn't have
street people back then because they would toss them in jail.

Becca wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
>> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
>> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
>> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me. nancy
>
> Not sure I would like several garbage trucks driving up and down the
> streets day after day. :-( Our city and the recycle center picks up
> our waste once a week.
>
>
> The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
> blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in the
> recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have one
> little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.
>
> Becca

My town (technically a city) also picks up trash and recyclables once a
week. I think the recycling bins should be larger than the trash cans....

Tracy

Default User wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>
>> Default User wrote:
>>
>>> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
>>> main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
>>> traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
>>> with the county's new recycling mandate.
>>> Brian
>> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
>> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
>> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
>> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
>> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
>> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.
>
> Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
> trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the same
day as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till December
which means leaves in the fall.....


Tracy

"Tracy" > wrote in message
...
> Default User wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> Default User wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
>>>> main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
>>>> traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
>>>> with the county's new recycling mandate.
>>>> Brian
>>> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
>>> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
>>> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
>>> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
>>> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
>>> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.
>>
>> Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
>> trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
> I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the same day
> as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till December which
> means leaves in the fall.....
>

Same here, and I agree the recycle container should be bigger than the trash
container. Raleigh supplies both, but the trash container is large, with a
lid, on wheels, and the recycle bin is one of those small green things. I
did not think I would like once a week pickup for everything but I really
do.

In article >,
Tracy > wrote:

> Becca wrote:
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >> I wondered about that ... if everyone has a different hauler, don't
> >> you get garbage trucks up and down the street all the time? And
> >> people putting out their garbage on different days? On the face of
> >> it, it doesn't sound like a plan to me. nancy
> >
> > Not sure I would like several garbage trucks driving up and down the
> > streets day after day. :-( Our city and the recycle center picks up
> > our waste once a week.
> >
> >
> > The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
> > blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in the
> > recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have one
> > little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.
> >
> > Becca
>
> My town (technically a city) also picks up trash and recyclables once a
> week. I think the recycling bins should be larger than the trash cans....
>
> Tracy

Our city recently switched our recycling containers to full sized bins,
same size as the trash containers. They pick up once every two weeks and
drastically expanded what they take. Plastics 1 to 7 and all paper and
cardboard except for (wet) food wrappers and pet food bags.
All cans and glass are good.

I'm recycling well over 1/2 of my garbage. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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