Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.

Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
dishes.

Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
sure not to examine it.)

Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
can in it.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Adams
> shouted from the highest rooftop:

>Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.

<snip>

These instructions are clearly for men only ...


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"bob" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Adams
> > shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
>>Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>>user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>>be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>
> <snip>
>
> These instructions are clearly for men only ...
>
>
>
You ain't gonna do too well around here with the ladies, bobby! Ahahahaha. .
.. .

On Mon, 11 May 2009 01:31:31 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> shouted from the highest rooftop:

>
>"bob" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Adams
>> > shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>
>>>Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>>>user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>>>be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> These instructions are clearly for men only ...
>>
>>
>>
>You ain't gonna do too well around here with the ladies, bobby! Ahahahaha. .

Oh no! A cyberstalker with a stuck keyboard ...


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"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>
> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
> dishes.
>
> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
> sure not to examine it.)
>
> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
> can in it.

OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't getting
clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent. We've tried several different
brands of dishwasher detergent. We're currently using Cascade. My wife is
used to owning dishwashers that suck, so she still rinses all dishes before
loading the dishwasher, even though I've tried to break her of this habit.
It wastes water and time. With the proper detergent, the dishes get clean
(VERY!) with no pre-rinsing required. When I load it, I don't rinse dishes.
They come out clean, pre-rinsed or not. Our dishwasher is a Frigidaire
(electrolux) model about four years old. -Dave

On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:02:20 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:

>
>"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>
>> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
>> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
>> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
>> dishes.
>>
>> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
>> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
>> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
>> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
>> sure not to examine it.)
>>
>> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
>> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
>> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
>> can in it.
>
>OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't getting
>clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
>to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent. We've tried several different
>brands of dishwasher detergent. We're currently using Cascade. My wife is
>used to owning dishwashers that suck, so she still rinses all dishes before
>loading the dishwasher, even though I've tried to break her of this habit.
>It wastes water and time. With the proper detergent, the dishes get clean
>(VERY!) with no pre-rinsing required. When I load it, I don't rinse dishes.
>They come out clean, pre-rinsed or not. Our dishwasher is a Frigidaire
>(electrolux) model about four years old. -Dave
>

We've a new Kenmore from Sears ( actually a GE), works fantastic even
on stuff that's been left in washer a couple of days. We as well use
cascade with rinse agent.
Had a Danby for three months, they tried to correct wash problem
unsuccessfully ( and it was very noisy) we took it back.

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Adams" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>
>> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
>> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
>> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
>> dishes.
>>
>> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
>> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
>> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
>> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
>> sure not to examine it.)
>>
>> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
>> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
>> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
>> can in it.
>
> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
> getting
> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
> to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent. We've tried several
> different
> brands of dishwasher detergent. We're currently using Cascade. My wife
> is
> used to owning dishwashers that suck, so she still rinses all dishes
> before
> loading the dishwasher, even though I've tried to break her of this habit.
> It wastes water and time. With the proper detergent, the dishes get clean
> (VERY!) with no pre-rinsing required. When I load it, I don't rinse
> dishes.
> They come out clean, pre-rinsed or not. Our dishwasher is a Frigidaire
> (electrolux) model about four years old. -Dave
>
>
We've been using Amway's SA8 Laundry Detergent since 1986 - needs no
accompanying rinse aid.
For the first few years, they tried to rope us in to the join-up-and-prosper
thing, but after a while they got used to the idea we just wanted the
detergent. A 2kg box lasts us almost 2 years - only need a small spoon of
it and we use our dishwasher most days - say 5 out of 7?
Hoges in WA

Dave wrote:

> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't getting
> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
> to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent. We've tried several different
> brands of dishwasher detergent. We're currently using Cascade. My wife is
> used to owning dishwashers that suck, so she still rinses all dishes before
> loading the dishwasher, even though I've tried to break her of this habit.
> It wastes water and time. With the proper detergent, the dishes get clean
> (VERY!) with no pre-rinsing required. When I load it, I don't rinse dishes.
> They come out clean, pre-rinsed or not. Our dishwasher is a Frigidaire
> (electrolux) model about four years old. -Dave

Suppose you let egg sit on a plate for 2 days? How about 4? Some people just
don't dirty a lot of dishes and don't need to wash them once or twice a day. I
figure if you have to rinse them off yourself you might as well not bother with
a dishwasher.

No, I don't have a dishwasher.

--
Cheers, Bev
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"The Real Bev" > wrote

> Suppose you let egg sit on a plate for 2 days? How about 4? Some people
> just don't dirty a lot of dishes and don't need to wash them once or twice
> a day. I figure if you have to rinse them off yourself you might as well
> not bother with a dishwasher.


I had a dishwasher at one point in my life. That point happened to coincide
with the introduction of Cascade Complete.
I was impressed with their commercial of the entire cake disappearing in the
washer and the plate coming clean, so I bought some.

I ate fried eggs and grits every day for a week and purposely left lots of
yolk and grits on the plates.

Anyone who's ever washed dried grits knows they set up like concrete. Dried
egg yolk requires extensive soaking for hand washing.

So with 5 of those plates in the machine along with the rest of a weeks
worth of dishes, I set about my test.

It passed with flying colors. Not a trace of anything remained and all the
dishes were squeaky clean.
The dishwasher was probably over 10 years old at that point.

Yes, it cost more than standard dishwashing detergent, but it was worth it
in my opinion.

TFM®

Tom Adams wrote:
> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>
> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
> dishes.
>
> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
> sure not to examine it.)
>
> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
> can in it.

I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.

George Shirley wrote:
> Tom Adams wrote:
>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>
>> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
>> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
>> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
>> dishes.
>>
>> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
>> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
>> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
>> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
>> sure not to examine it.)
>>
>> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are
>> not inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how
>> to load it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many
>> as you can in it.
>
> I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.

Heh, I bet *nobody* can stuff a dishwasher as full as my David!!!

"Dave" wrote:
>
> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
> getting
> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
> to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.

Not true. Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they been
washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal ('specially
oatmeal), most especially from silverware. I have a top of the line Maytag
and it works very well but I still rinse off dishes because I only use
enough dishes to run it like twice a week and unless one runs their
dishwasher every day it will stink... are you one of those who uses your
dishwasher as garbage can... I know that stench from when I'm in someone's
kitchen and they open their dishwasher full of cruddy dishes and it stinks
like fish monger dumpster. Not rinsing crud from dishes before placing them
in the dishwasher is tantmount to taking a dump and not flushing the
terlit... you don't gotta scrub the terlit each time but you at least gotta
flush... and obviously you don't.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 06:43:09 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>Tom Adams wrote:
>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual.

Make sure you have a Spanish Edition of the manual available.


>I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> "Dave" wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
>>> getting
>>> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher,
>>> you need to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.

> Interesting conversation. I wonder if the type of material your dishes
> are made of makes any kind of difference? I've found that the
> stoneware dishes seem to clean up easier than some of the other
> dishes I've used. Maybe it's just me. I rinse the dishes before
> putting them in the dishwasher and make sure any really *stuck on*
> food is scraped off. I did not used to do it that way. I used to
> just stuff the dishes in and run it. I was generally disappointed
> when taking the dishes out. It takes much less time to do a quick
> rinse before running than it does scraping all the baked on stuff
> after the dishwasher runs on non-rinsed dishes. I'm sure the heat/dry
> cycle on the dishwasher bakes on clumps of food making them even
> harder to remove. But that's just an opinion.

I never rinse dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I
just scrape off obvious globs of food. (laugh) I'm sure globs
is not the best word. We haven't had globs for dinner in years.

And I don't run the dishwasher every day, either. Every other
day or every third day sometimes. They come out sparkling
clean. This was true of my previous machine, too, which was
well over 10 years old when we replaced it.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> "Dave" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes
>>>> aren't getting
>>>> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher,
>>>> you need to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>
>> Interesting conversation. I wonder if the type of material your
>> dishes are made of makes any kind of difference? I've found that the
>> stoneware dishes seem to clean up easier than some of the other
>> dishes I've used. Maybe it's just me. I rinse the dishes before
>> putting them in the dishwasher and make sure any really *stuck on*
>> food is scraped off. I did not used to do it that way. I used to
>> just stuff the dishes in and run it. I was generally disappointed
>> when taking the dishes out. It takes much less time to do a quick
>> rinse before running than it does scraping all the baked on stuff
>> after the dishwasher runs on non-rinsed dishes. I'm sure the heat/dry
>> cycle on the dishwasher bakes on clumps of food making them even
>> harder to remove. But that's just an opinion.
>
> I never rinse dishes before putting them in the dishwasher. I
> just scrape off obvious globs of food. (laugh) I'm sure globs
> is not the best word. We haven't had globs for dinner in years.
>
> And I don't run the dishwasher every day, either. Every other
> day or every third day sometimes. They come out sparkling clean.

I run mine about every 10 days and do the same as you
do preparation wise and get a perfect result every time.

> This was true of my previous machine, too, which was well over 10 years old when we replaced it.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
...
> "brooklyn1" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> "Dave" wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
>>> getting
>>> clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you
>>> need to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>>
>> Not true. Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
>> difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they
>> been washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal
>> ('specially oatmeal), most especially from silverware. I have a top
>> of the line Maytag and it works very well but I still rinse off dishes
>> because I only use enough dishes to run it like twice a week and
>> unless one runs their dishwasher every day it will stink... are you
>> one of those who uses your dishwasher as garbage can... I know that
>> stench from when I'm in someone's kitchen and they open their
>> dishwasher full of cruddy dishes and it stinks like fish monger
>> dumpster. Not rinsing crud from dishes before placing them in the
>> dishwasher is tantmount to taking a dump and not flushing the
>> terlit... you don't gotta scrub the terlit each time but you at least
>> gotta flush... and obviously you don't.
>
> Interesting conversation. I wonder if the type of material your dishes
> are made of makes any kind of difference? I've found that the stoneware
> dishes seem to clean up easier than some of the other dishes I've used.
> Maybe it's just me. I rinse the dishes before putting them in the
> dishwasher and make sure any really *stuck on* food is scraped off. I did
> not used to do it that way. I used to just stuff the dishes in and run
> it. I was generally disappointed when taking the dishes out. It takes
> much less time to do a quick rinse before running than it does scraping
> all the baked on stuff after the dishwasher runs on non-rinsed dishes.
> I'm sure the heat/dry cycle on the dishwasher bakes on clumps of food
> making them even harder to remove. But that's just an opinion.
>
>
Yes, the dry cycle can bake on certain foods making it more difficult to
remove later, anything starchy or high protein; eggs are high protein,
cooked cereals are starchy and relatively high protein. A lot of folks get
around the hand rinsing by using the extra strong dishwashing compounds
and/or using extra... little do they realize that the extra harshness etches
their dishes, especially eating utensils, and most especially glassware.
Also water hardness makes a big difference, the softer your water the less
washing compound you need, I have a water softener so I use only half the
recommended product, and with softened water there's no need to use the
anti-spotting products. I usually use Palmolive Triple Action Tabs, but I
use half a tab... I've tried other brands, even store brands, I see no
difference. But still I clean off the egg and cooked cereal by hand
first... I don't eat soft cooked eggs very often anyway, maybe six times a
year; I'm more a hard cooked in shell and omelet kinda guy. And I don't
care what anyone says, oatmeal left on dishes and utensils turns into
cement... once cooked on the only way to get it off is a good scrubbing with
a stainless steel wire sponge. I hand wash pots, stainless steel bowls,
and knives. I don't care that there's a PotScrubber cycle, my pots and
bowls are too big... and I hand wash all cutlery before it leaves my hand.
Naturally all woodenware gets hand washed only.

On May 11, 8:58*am, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. *But if your dishes aren't
> > getting
> > clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
> > to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>
> Not true. *Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
> difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they been
> washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal ('specially
> oatmeal), most especially from silverware. *I have a top of the line Maytag
> and it works very well but I still rinse off dishes because I only use
> enough dishes to run it like twice a week and unless one runs their
> dishwasher every day it will stink... are you one of those who uses your
> dishwasher as garbage can... I know that stench from when I'm in someone's
> kitchen and they open their dishwasher full of cruddy dishes and it stinks
> like fish monger dumpster. *Not rinsing crud from dishes before placing them
> in the dishwasher is tantmount to taking a dump and not flushing the
> terlit... you don't gotta scrub the terlit each time but you at least gotta
> flush... and obviously you don't.

You rinse off (not wash) your dishes, and then you put them is a
machine the you say you know does not wash them either. You never
wash them?

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:02:20 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:

> We've a new Kenmore from Sears ( actually a GE), works fantastic even
> on stuff that's been left in washer a couple of days. We as well use
> cascade with rinse agent.
> Had a Danby for three months, they tried to correct wash problem
> unsuccessfully ( and it was very noisy) we took it back.

What model is it? I may be in the market for a new dw very soon.

Thanks!
TammyM

On Mon, 11 May 2009 09:57:46 -0700, "TammyM" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:02:20 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:
>
>> We've a new Kenmore from Sears ( actually a GE), works fantastic even
>> on stuff that's been left in washer a couple of days. We as well use
>> cascade with rinse agent.
>> Had a Danby for three months, they tried to correct wash problem
>> unsuccessfully ( and it was very noisy) we took it back.
>
>What model is it? I may be in the market for a new dw very soon.
>
>Thanks!
>TammyM
>

24" Dishwasher (built in) 223 614 112

"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
On May 11, 8:58 am, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
> > getting
> > clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you
> > need
> > to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>
> Not true. Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
> difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they been
> washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal ('specially
> oatmeal), most especially from silverware. I have a top of the line Maytag
> and it works very well but I still rinse off dishes because I only use
> enough dishes to run it like twice a week and unless one runs their
> dishwasher every day it will stink... are you one of those who uses your
> dishwasher as garbage can... I know that stench from when I'm in someone's
> kitchen and they open their dishwasher full of cruddy dishes and it stinks
> like fish monger dumpster. Not rinsing crud from dishes before placing
> them
> in the dishwasher is tantmount to taking a dump and not flushing the
> terlit... you don't gotta scrub the terlit each time but you at least
> gotta
> flush... and obviously you don't.

You rinse off (not wash) your dishes, and then you put them is a
machine the you say you know does not wash them either. You never
wash them?

Part of your brain must be flushed down the terlit, wtf are you talking
about...

On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:44:52 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>George Shirley wrote:

>>
>> I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.
>
>Heh, I bet *nobody* can stuff a dishwasher as full as my David!!!
>
I used to be the receptionist in an architecture office. It was a
thing of beauty to see how many dishes those architects could arrange
in the dishwasher.

Tara

On Mon 11 May 2009 04:44:52a, Ophelia told us...

> George Shirley wrote:
>> Tom Adams wrote:
>>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>>> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>>> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>>
>>> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
>>> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
>>> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
>>> dishes.
>>>
>>> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
>>> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
>>> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
>>> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
>>> sure not to examine it.)
>>>
>>> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are
>>> not inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how
>>> to load it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many
>>> as you can in it.
>>
>> I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.
>
> Heh, I bet *nobody* can stuff a dishwasher as full as my David!!!

I bet I can, O. But loading a dishwasher correctly and fully is an art.



--
Wayne Boatwright
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good food ends with good talk. ~Geoffrey Neighor

"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
On May 11, 8:58 am, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> "Dave" wrote:
>
> > OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
> > getting
> > clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you
> > need
> > to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>
> Not true. Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
> difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they been
> washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal ('specially
> oatmeal), most especially from silverware.

certain foods or certain foods in certain dishwashers? I rarely have such
problems; I don't wash, scrub, soak, rinse, or even cross my fingers, and it
all comes out clean.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:02:20 -0400, "Dave" > wrote:

>OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't getting
>clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you need
>to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.

Trust me. It was a troll.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

George Shirley wrote:
> Tom Adams wrote:
>> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
>> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
>> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>>
>> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
>> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
>> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
>> dishes.
>>
>> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
>> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
>> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
>> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
>> sure not to examine it.)
>>
>> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
>> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
>> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
>> can in it.
>
> I take you have met my wife and daughter, the stuff-it full folks.


Ahem. The Correct Way To Use a Dishwasher: (I've learned this from
watching how wimmen use it)

1) Wash the dishes in the sink by hand first, using lots of hot water
and either Dawn or Ivory dish soap.
2) Put the washed dishes in the dishwasher. There's no need to rinse
them first; this is the timesaving part of this whole ordeal.
3) Add lots and lots of gel dishwasher detergent (the most expensive
brand you can find), even tho' the manual that came with the dishwasher
specifically says to use powder.
4) Run the dishwasher on the "potscrubber" cycle, with the water heating
feature.
5) Throw away the piece of stemware you carelessly put on the bottom
rack and it broke during the wash cycle. You can leave the broken
shards of glass in the filter for someone else to find eventually when
they reach into the dirty water to clear a clog.
6) As you put the dishes away, wonder why your glassware is all
scratched and etched.

Oddly enough, the dishes don't get as clean as either washing/rinsing by
hand, or just scraping them and dishwashing them on the regular cycle
using the powdered detergent called for in the manual.

HTH, :-)
Bob

"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>


This is how we clean the grates on our BBQ.

Works for all the plates and dishes, too.

http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/h...t=7f1d3e68.pbw

In article >, "Rooney" >
wrote:

> This is how we clean the grates on our BBQ.
>
> Works for all the plates and dishes, too.
>
> http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/h...clean%20a%20ca
> st%20iron%20grid/?action=view&current=7f1d3e68.pbw

Hey, Dee Dee, what'ya goot say on this puppy?

jt

"Tom Adams" > wrote in message
...
> Rule # 1: Don't read the user manual. If you read and follow the
> user manual, you will have to think while you load it, and you won't
> be able to put nearly as many dishes in it.
>
> Rule #2: Rinse your dishes in the sink before you put them in the
> dishwasher. This will make them appear to be clean after you have
> incorrectly loaded your dishwasher, causing it to fail to wash your
> dishes.
>
> Rule #3: Don't wash fine glassware in your dishwasher, since you
> don't know that you should fill the detergent cups 1/3 full if you
> have soft water, and you probably have soft water. (Actually, all
> your everyday glassware has been etched by excessive detergent: be
> sure not to examine it.)
>
> Rule #4: Cram as many dishes as you can in there. But if you are not
> inclined to to this, don't worry. Since you never learned how to load
> it, it won't wash your dishes even if you don't cram as many as you
> can in it.

One thing I will defend about the dishwasher is the ability to wash grease
clean, from a baking dish to a frying pan or a drip pan or roasting pan.
Dishwashers can save lots of water after a big meal.

We don't rinse dishes for our dishwasher but we never fully load our dw, and
run it 3/4 full. Our dishwasher is smaller and has fewer jets than most
others so filling up the tub might not be best idea for clean dishes. To
save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry instead of dw dryer.

The Henchman wrote:

> for clean dishes. To save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry
> instead of dw dryer.

I think that's a total waste of resources, however you want
to put it. I never use heated dry.

nancy

In article >,
"The Henchman" > wrote:

> One thing I will defend about the dishwasher is the ability to wash grease
> clean, from a baking dish to a frying pan or a drip pan or roasting pan.
> Dishwashers can save lots of water after a big meal.

But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers) effect
and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing cookware, but the
caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal can also do major
chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.

jt

"Nancy Young" wrote:
> The Henchman wrote:
>
>> for clean dishes. To save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry
>> instead of dw dryer.
>
> I think that's a total waste of resources, however you want to put it. I
> never use heated dry.
>
>

I bet you use your clothes dryer instead of hanging your laundry to dry... I
bet you sometimes use your clothes dryer to dry just a couple items,
everyone does. The clothes dryer is probably the single appliance that
folks MISuse that wastes the most energy.... the vacuum cleaner is a close
runner up.

Perhaps you don't mind waking up in the morning to a dishwasher filled with
wet dishes, but I don't want to start wiping dishes first thing in the
morning before being able to put them away and I don't want to wait half the
day with the dishwasher door open for the dishes to air dry and having to
stack up dirty dishes because those in the machine are still wet, really
negates the utility of owning a dishwasher. There's a big difference
between energy consumed with "heated dry" or "sanitize"... "heated dry" uses
a very small portion of the total energy used to run a dishwasher, less than
using a hair dryer for 5 minutes... "sanitize" is what's a total waste of
resources. The "heated dry" cycle is half the reason to own a dishwasher.
There are many ways that people truly waste electric, and that they are
oblivious to, the dishwasher "heated dry" cycle is not one of them... anyone
who cooks with an electric stove is absolutely wasting fully 25% of their
yearly electric bill... cooking with gas costs 4-6 times less. Not using
the "heated dry" function is a false economy. Now if only someone can
invent a dishwasher that washes, dries, and put dishes away... some
commercial establishments have such a system... removable racks that are
stored on carts.

On May 11, 2:39*pm, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> "Tom Adams" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On May 11, 8:58 am, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dave" wrote:
>
> > > OK, I think that was an attempt at humor. But if your dishes aren't
> > > getting
> > > clean without rinsing them before putting them in the dishwasher, you
> > > need
> > > to get a new dishwasher, or switch detergent.
>
> > Not true. Certain foods will actually cook on so well they'll be more
> > difficult to remove after coming out of the dishwasher than had they been
> > washed off prior; runny egg yolk and cooked porridge/cereal ('specially
> > oatmeal), most especially from silverware. I have a top of the line Maytag
> > and it works very well but I still rinse off dishes because I only use
> > enough dishes to run it like twice a week and unless one runs their
> > dishwasher every day it will stink... are you one of those who uses your
> > dishwasher as garbage can... I know that stench from when I'm in someone's
> > kitchen and they open their dishwasher full of cruddy dishes and it stinks
> > like fish monger dumpster. Not rinsing crud from dishes before placing
> > them
> > in the dishwasher is tantmount to taking a dump and not flushing the
> > terlit... you don't gotta scrub the terlit each time but you at least
> > gotta
> > flush... and obviously you don't.
>
> You rinse off (not wash) your dishes, and then you put them is a
> machine the you say you know does not wash them either. *You never
> wash them?
>
> Part of your brain must be flushed down the terlit, wtf are you talking
> about...- Hide quoted text -
>
I am talking about your practice. You rinse you dishes, then you put
them in a machine that you said does not wash them, therefore you have
never washed your dishes.

jt august wrote:
> In article >,
> "The Henchman" > wrote:
>
>> One thing I will defend about the dishwasher is the ability to wash
>> grease clean, from a baking dish to a frying pan or a drip pan or
>> roasting pan. Dishwashers can save lots of water after a big meal.
>
> But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
> manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
> coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
> is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
> ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers)
> effect and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing
> cookware, but the caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal
> can also do major chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.

Stainless works fine. So does quite a bit of cast iron too.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> The Henchman wrote:
>
> > for clean dishes. To save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry
> > instead of dw dryer.
>
> I think that's a total waste of resources, however you want
> to put it. I never use heated dry.
>

This is the same argument that applies to using a clothes dryer - it takes a
certain amount of heat to evaporate a given volume of water. The water
doesn't care what generated the heat. During the heating season, that heat
is going to come either from the dishwasher heating element or from the
furnace, but either way you're going to pay for the heat. It may be
marginally cheaper to use the furnace, if you have an up to date high
efficiency furnace, but not enough to notice.

Lou wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The Henchman wrote:
>>
>>> for clean dishes. To save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry
>>> instead of dw dryer.
>>
>> I think that's a total waste of resources, however you want
>> to put it. I never use heated dry.
>>
>
> This is the same argument that applies to using a clothes dryer - it
> takes a certain amount of heat to evaporate a given volume of water.
> The water doesn't care what generated the heat. During the heating
> season, that heat is going to come either from the dishwasher heating
> element or from the furnace, but either way you're going to pay for
> the heat. It may be marginally cheaper to use the furnace, if you
> have an up to date high efficiency furnace, but not enough to notice.

? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running
or not. As a matter of fact, the dishwasher is closed so I don't think
the furnace heat has any affect on the dishes one way or another.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>
> ? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running or not.
> As a matter of fact, the dishwasher is closed so I don't think
> the furnace heat has any affect on the dishes one way or another.
>


Other way around. The heat you call wasted goes into the living space and
helps to heat it. It may be wasted in summer, but during heating season, it
is not wasted at all. It just helps to heat the house, as does the TV,
computer, light bulbs, etc.

The difference it the cost of electricity versus the fuel of your furnace.
If you dry the dishes on the heat cycle, the furnace runs a bit less.

I like the way my dishes come out so I just hit the buttons and let it go.
Perfect every time, never a spot.

"jt august" > wrote in message
> But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
> manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
> coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
> is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
> ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers) effect
> and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing cookware, but the
> caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal can also do major
> chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.
>
> jt

If you want the SS pots and pans to have a nice shine, use Green Works dish
detergent, made by Clorox. As a detergent, I'd rate it a "B", but for
cleaning the pans, I give it "A+" It does a terrific job on both aluminum
and SS.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>
>> ? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running or
>> not. As a matter of fact, the dishwasher is closed so I don't think
>> the furnace heat has any affect on the dishes one way or another.

> Other way around. The heat you call wasted goes into the living
> space and helps to heat it. It may be wasted in summer, but during
> heating season, it is not wasted at all. It just helps to heat the
> house, as does the TV, computer, light bulbs, etc.
>
> The difference it the cost of electricity versus the fuel of your
> furnace. If you dry the dishes on the heat cycle, the furnace runs a
> bit less.

Actually, I run my dishwasher in the middle of the night. My heat
doesn't run during the night unless it's crazy cold out. I don't gain
anything by using heated dry for my dishes, they just dry by themselves.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>
> Actually, I run my dishwasher in the middle of the night. My heat
> doesn't run during the night unless it's crazy cold out. I don't gain
> anything by using heated dry for my dishes, they just dry by themselves.
>
> nancy

You still gain heat. It has to go someplace and the furnace just runs a
tiny bit less in the AM. Instead of the temperature falling overnight to 62
degrees, it will only fall to 62.1 degrees. In the summer, if you run AC,
you have to remove that heat so it is a waste then. As long as you like the
way the dishes come out, no reason to change.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>
>> Actually, I run my dishwasher in the middle of the night. My heat
>> doesn't run during the night unless it's crazy cold out. I don't
>> gain anything by using heated dry for my dishes, they just dry by
>> themselves.

> You still gain heat. It has to go someplace and the furnace just
> runs a tiny bit less in the AM. Instead of the temperature falling
> overnight to 62 degrees, it will only fall to 62.1 degrees.

Try low 50s. And I think any heat will have dissappated to the
cathedral ceilings between 2am and 7, but I understand we're not
talking about my house or my dishwashing timing.

> In the
> summer, if you run AC, you have to remove that heat so it is a waste
> then. As long as you like the way the dishes come out, no reason to
> change.

Of course. And if people find it cost effective to use the electric
heating coil to dry their dishes and thus heat their home, who am I to
argue. I'll make biscuits or something in the kitchen in the morning to
warm it up using the oven.

nance