Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>>> The water doesn't care what generated the heat. During the heating
>>> season, that heat is going to come either from the dishwasher
>>> heating element or from the furnace, but either way you're going to
>>> pay for the heat. It may be marginally cheaper to use the furnace,
>>> if you have an up to date high efficiency furnace, but not enough
>>> to notice.
>>
>> ? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running
>> or not.
>
> The furnace heats the house. The heat in the house is used to
> evaporate the water.

The fact that the water the dishes were washed in is super hot
makes it just evaporate. This is why they also dry themselves in
the summer when the heat isn't on ... or the A/C.

Geez, when I take my dishes out of the cabinets on that same
wall in the winter, they are freezing cold because I didn't think
to have them replace the insulation when I replaced the kitchen.
If the heat isn't forcing itself into my kitchen cabinets, I sincerely
doubt it's pushing past the hot air leaking from the dishwasher
to dry them.

Regardless, I don't see the worth to using the electric heating
coil in my dishwasher to gain warmth in the house, but to each
their own.

nancy

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> > The water doesn't care what generated the heat. During the heating
>> > season, that heat is going to come either from the dishwasher heating
>> > element or from the furnace, but either way you're going to pay for
>> > the heat. It may be marginally cheaper to use the furnace, if you
>> > have an up to date high efficiency furnace, but not enough to notice.
>>
>> ? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running
>> or not.
>
> The furnace heats the house. The heat in the house is used to evaporate
> the water.
>
> The house heat that is used up by evaporating the water needs to be
> replaced. Where does it come from? The furnace.

This is true, there's no free lunch... you can't use the same energy twice.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> > The water doesn't care what generated the heat. During the heating
>> > season, that heat is going to come either from the dishwasher heating
>> > element or from the furnace, but either way you're going to pay for
>> > the heat. It may be marginally cheaper to use the furnace, if you
>> > have an up to date high efficiency furnace, but not enough to notice.
>>
>> ? The dishes dry themselves whether I have the furnace running
>> or not.
>
> The furnace heats the house. The heat in the house is used to evaporate
> the water.
>
> The house heat that is used up by evaporating the water needs to be
> replaced. Where does it come from? The furnace.

What is this "furnace" of which you speak? We live in SoCal. Heat comes from
the sun. It doesn't bill us.

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On May 13, 8:44*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> The Henchman wrote:
> > for clean dishes. *To save a buck on hydro we let the dishes air dry
> > instead of dw dryer.
>
> I think that's a total waste of resources, however you want
> to put it. *I never use heated dry.
>
> nancy



My dishwasher is less than six months old. I use Electrasol -
(Finish). We have a water softener and I have to cut the laundry
detergent down to a fraction of what the instructions call for when I
wash clothes. I wonder what I can do about the dish washer. I use
the tablets and have stockpiled several boxes because it went on sale
BOGO and I had some large coupons. (So, no, I don't want to change to
powder). Any suggestions about what I can do to be sure the dishes
are free of soap. I have Corelle and recently bought new because of
black etch marks on some of the pieces - the edges to be exact. Never
thought of detergent being the culprit.

"Dorothy" > wrote in message
news:f9c07079-81da-4963-a4c2-
My dishwasher is less than six months old. I use Electrasol -
(Finish). We have a water softener and I have to cut the laundry
detergent down to a fraction of what the instructions call for when I
wash clothes. I wonder what I can do about the dish washer. I use
the tablets and have stockpiled several boxes because it went on sale
BOGO and I had some large coupons. (So, no, I don't want to change to
powder). Any suggestions about what I can do to be sure the dishes
are free of soap. I have Corelle and recently bought new because of
black etch marks on some of the pieces - the edges to be exact. Never
thought of detergent being the culprit.

*********************************

We use Cascade liquid and put in what we need

In article >,
"The Henchman" > wrote:

> One thing I will defend about the dishwasher is the ability to wash grease
> clean, from a baking dish to a frying pan or a drip pan or roasting pan.
> Dishwashers can save lots of water after a big meal.

But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers) effect
and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing cookware, but the
caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal can also do major
chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.

jt

jt august wrote:
> In article >,
> "The Henchman" > wrote:
>
>> One thing I will defend about the dishwasher is the ability to wash
>> grease clean, from a baking dish to a frying pan or a drip pan or
>> roasting pan. Dishwashers can save lots of water after a big meal.
>
> But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
> manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
> coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
> is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
> ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers)
> effect and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing
> cookware, but the caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal
> can also do major chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.

Stainless works fine. So does quite a bit of cast iron too.

"jt august" > wrote in message
> But hard anodized aluminum, most (realy all, despite what some
> manufacturers claim) non-sticks, all cast iron (even coated) and many
> coated surface pans, as well as any stainless for which the appearance
> is important, should not be put in the dishwasher. Not only can the
> ionized water (result of how hater is heated in most dishwashers) effect
> and/or negate the finishing processes of manufacturing cookware, but the
> caustic detergent that can etch glass and crystal can also do major
> chemical damage to many of these pots and pans.
>
> jt

If you want the SS pots and pans to have a nice shine, use Green Works dish
detergent, made by Clorox. As a detergent, I'd rate it a "B", but for
cleaning the pans, I give it "A+" It does a terrific job on both aluminum
and SS.