Oh pshaw, on Thu 30 Nov 2006 08:04:29p, Michael "Dog3" Lonergan meant to
say...

> Damsel in dis Dress >
> :
>
>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
>>>grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
>>>pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>>
>>>I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>>
>>>The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>>
>>>Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my
>>>cholesterol is normal and I feel ****ing great.
>>>
>>>Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they
>>>put you on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off
>>>of what would actually cure the disease.
>>
>> My doctor wants me on whatever works, and that includes Atkins. She's
>> very well-versed in the program.
>>
>> There's no cure for diabetes.
>>
>> You sound like you're trolling for an argument.
>>
>
> Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.
>
> Michael
>

Is it a sure thing that you'll be Type I? Not everyone progresses to that.
Mine Type II has regressed to diet controlled only.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed!

For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.

I eat this way every day and lose weight.

The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.

Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
normal and I feel ****ing great.

Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
actually cure the disease.

Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)


--
TFM®
Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
> wrote:

>For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
>half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
>bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
>I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
>The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
>Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
>normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
>Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
>on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
>actually cure the disease.

My doctor wants me on whatever works, and that includes Atkins. She's
very well-versed in the program.

There's no cure for diabetes.

You sound like you're trolling for an argument.

--
Updated Thursday, Nov. 30, 2006
www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini/

TFM® wrote:


>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in.


No argument. My husband lost a buncha weight on that diet, stopped
snoring, and no longer gets sick every time the office bug goes around.
The book says you're supposed to have vegetables too, don't forget that
part.

If you haven't found alt.support.diet.low-carb, go join. Great group.


Dawn

In article >,
"TFM®" > wrote:

> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
> normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
> on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
> actually cure the disease.
>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
>
> --
> TFM®
> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida

It works for me too... if I can stick with it! :-(
Eating just meat all the time gets to be a bit boring.

It's time for me to go back on a salad kick!

I can avoid bread ok, but I just love rice, and yams, and some of those
other "healthy" veggies that are not low carb.

Fortunately, I've been low carbing long enough that I've lost my taste
for sugar. My triglycerides have been below 100 mg/dl now for the past
few years.

They used to run about 600........
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

"TFM®" wrote:
>
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>


that sounds like my wife's breakfast, eggs, lots of bacon, and
don't forget to use lots of butter and have some cheese on the
side. It works for her. She looks great and has not cholesterol
problems.



> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
> normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
> on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
> actually cure the disease.
>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
> --
> TFM®
> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida

Oh pshaw, on Thu 30 Nov 2006 09:41:36p, Serene meant to say...

> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
> > wrote:
>
>>For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease),
a
>>half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
>>bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>
>>I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>
>>The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>
>>Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol
is
>>normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> I'm glad it works for you. People's bodies are different. My mom's
> kidneys started to fail on that diet.
>
> I eat just about the opposite of what you do -- my blood pressure and
> cholesterol are low-normal. My blood sugar is perfect. My body does
> really well on mostly complex carbs.
>
> To each his own.
>
> Serene

I once followed a very low-carb diet popularized in the book, _Martinis and
Whipped Cream_ by Sidney Petrie, published in 1966, a precursor to anything
Atkins wrote. After 3 days I was deathly sick. I'll never try Atkins, but
Weight Watchers works terrifically for me. My body seems to require a
balanced diet.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

'Have you met my pet?' - Dot

"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote in
.121:


>>
>
> Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.
>


Why will you be Type1 "shortly"??

If you change your diet now, you can hopefully avert Type1.

If the Type2 was brought on by bad diet/obesity, that is.

But then again........
My younger sister is a State Champion badmington player. She's fit,
athletic etc. She was diagnosed Type2 and then about 12 months later was
upped to Type1.

She's now insulin dependant.
The oldest of the sisters died from an asthma attack.

Me?? I've never been sick with anything!! I just get broken bones,
gunshot and knife wounds :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

"TFM®" > wrote in
:

> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
> grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
> pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in.



No argument from me :-)

In fact, you've made me damn hungry!!

I haven't got any chorizo, but I've got the rest.
I'm outta here!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
> > wrote:
>
>> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
>> grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
>> pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>
>> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>
>> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>
>> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my
>> cholesterol is normal and I feel ****ing great.
>>
>> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they
>> put you on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off
>> of what would actually cure the disease.
>
> My doctor wants me on whatever works, and that includes Atkins. She's
> very well-versed in the program.
>
> There's no cure for diabetes.
>
> You sound like you're trolling for an argument.

Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to cook for
himself since kili can't do much cooking from the lovely chair his mother
bought her Might be time for him to pull the smoker or grill back out!

Jill

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
> wrote:

>For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
>half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
>bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
>I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
>The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
>Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
>normal and I feel ****ing great.

I'm glad it works for you. People's bodies are different. My mom's
kidneys started to fail on that diet.

I eat just about the opposite of what you do -- my blood pressure and
cholesterol are low-normal. My blood sugar is perfect. My body does
really well on mostly complex carbs.

To each his own.

Serene
--
"I can't decide if I feel more like four ten-year-olds or ten four-year-olds." Laurie Anderson , on turning 40.

http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:37:06 -0600, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
>>> grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
>>> pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>>
>>> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>>
>>> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>>
>>> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my
>>> cholesterol is normal and I feel ****ing great.
>>>
>>> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they
>>> put you on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off
>>> of what would actually cure the disease.
>>
>> My doctor wants me on whatever works, and that includes Atkins. She's
>> very well-versed in the program.
>>
>> There's no cure for diabetes.
>>
>> You sound like you're trolling for an argument.
>
>Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to cook for
>himself since kili can't do much cooking from the lovely chair his mother
>bought her Might be time for him to pull the smoker or grill back out!

It's a very aggressive post. He's looking for a fight, IMHO.

--
Updated Thursday, Nov. 30, 2006
www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini/

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:


>
> Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to
> cook for himself since kili can't do much cooking


That's a rather presumptuous and 'snitty' thing to say, Red.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

"TFM®" > wrote in message
...
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
> normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
> on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
> actually cure the disease.
>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
>
> --
> TFM®
> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida

I'm glad you like it and believe it works for you. It'll kill you eventually, but
that is your choice.

However....

They do NOT put diabetics on low fat, high carb diets. Diabetics used to be told to
avoid carbs altogether...now they are told to minimize carbs. I should know. I am
diabetic. So is my father. So is my sister. So are 2 of my brothers, 2 of my uncles
and 3 of my aunts.

kimberly

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
.121...
> Damsel in dis Dress >
> :
>
>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
>>>grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
>>>pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>>
>>>I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>>
>>>The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>>
>>>Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my
>>>cholesterol is normal and I feel ****ing great.
>>>
>>>Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they
>>>put you on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off
>>>of what would actually cure the disease.
>>
>> My doctor wants me on whatever works, and that includes Atkins. She's
>> very well-versed in the program.
>>
>> There's no cure for diabetes.
>>
>> You sound like you're trolling for an argument.
>>
>
> Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.
>
> Michael
>

Actually, Michael, being insulin dependent isn't necessarily the same as being type
I. With type I, the body doesn't produce insulin. Type II diabetics do produce
insulin, but it is not able to efficiently remove sugars from the bloodstream,
because your cells do not react properly to the insulin. Type I is an autoimmune
disease and only accounts for less than 10% of cases of diabetes in America. Alot of
people get confused because of the misnomer "Non-insulin dependent" diabetes used in
reference to type II. Many type II diabetics require insulin to keep their sugars in
control.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not meaning to be argumentative. Just a
little information I've gained that I thought you'd maybe be interested in.

kimberly

"Nexis" > wrote in
:

>
> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> ...
>> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon
>> grease), a half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2
>> pieces of low carb bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>>
>> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>>
>> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>>
>> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my
>> cholesterol is normal and I feel ****ing great.
>>
>> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they
>> put you on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off
>> of what would actually cure the disease.
>>
>> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read
>> the book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in
>> the world to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep
>> coming back to them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic
>> economics)
>>
>>
>> --
>> TFM®
>> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida
>
> I'm glad you like it and believe it works for you. It'll kill you
> eventually, but that is your choice.
>
> However....
>
> They do NOT put diabetics on low fat, high carb diets. Diabetics used
> to be told to avoid carbs altogether...now they are told to minimize
> carbs. I should know. I am diabetic. So is my father. So is my sister.
> So are 2 of my brothers, 2 of my uncles and 3 of my aunts.
>


So Diabetes is brought on by either genetics, or through being a fat
lazy *******??


Bummer for your genetic line :-(

It's weird though, because my little sister is the only member of our
family to have it.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:17:49 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:

>They do NOT put diabetics on low fat, high carb diets. Diabetics used to be told to
>avoid carbs altogether...now they are told to minimize carbs. I should know. I am
>diabetic.

So is my partner, and he's not told to minimize carbs in the way I
think you mean. In fact, we eat a lot of carbs, but they're mostly
whole grains and so on. He's essentially reversed his diabetes this
way. Everyone's different.

Serene
--
"I can't decide if I feel more like four ten-year-olds or ten four-year-olds." Laurie Anderson , on turning 40.

http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> Never will I argure with you over Diabetes.It is a deadly issue and I need
> to take care of it.


Well, on a lighter note, how is the STORM coming along down there,
Michael...???

We've got sleet turning to snow, might be a foot tomorrow with blizzard
conditions...I see you birds got lotsa ice down there.

Hope you are all snug, warm, provisioned, and hopefully yer power won't
go out...

I'm thinkin' to have the gang over for potato(e) soup with some warm
crusty garlic bread, etc. on Sunday...

--
Best
Greg

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Thu 30 Nov 2006 09:41:36p, Serene meant to say...
>
>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
>> > wrote:
>>
>
> I once followed a very low-carb diet popularized in the book,
> _Martinis and Whipped Cream_ by Sidney Petrie, published in 1966, a
> precursor to anything Atkins wrote. After 3 days I was deathly sick.
> I'll never try Atkins, but Weight Watchers works terrifically for me.
> My body seems to require a balanced diet.

Mine, too, Wayne. TFM® seems to think that he needs to do full-blown
Atkins. I think his weight gain is due to portion control, but.............
it's a moot point to argue.

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

Serene wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:17:49 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:
>
>> They do NOT put diabetics on low fat, high carb diets. Diabetics
>> used to be told to avoid carbs altogether...now they are told to
>> minimize carbs. I should know. I am diabetic.
>
> So is my partner, and he's not told to minimize carbs in the way I
> think you mean. In fact, we eat a lot of carbs, but they're mostly
> whole grains and so on. He's essentially reversed his diabetes this
> way. Everyone's different.
>
> Serene

And that's the key, Serene, everyone's different. What works for TFM®,
doesn't work for me.

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

Oh pshaw, on Fri 01 Dec 2006 03:09:07a, kilikini meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Thu 30 Nov 2006 09:41:36p, Serene meant to say...
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I once followed a very low-carb diet popularized in the book,
>> _Martinis and Whipped Cream_ by Sidney Petrie, published in 1966, a
>> precursor to anything Atkins wrote. After 3 days I was deathly sick.
>> I'll never try Atkins, but Weight Watchers works terrifically for me.
>> My body seems to require a balanced diet.
>
> Mine, too, Wayne. TFM® seems to think that he needs to do full-blown
> Atkins. I think his weight gain is due to portion control,
> but............. it's a moot point to argue.

Yes, portion control probably has more to do with losing and maintaining
one's weight than anything else. I know in my case that I always ate a
fairly balanced diet, but just way too much of everything. I know it's a
moot point, but with Alan's activity level in the work he does, it should
be relatively easy to maintain a proper weight by eating normal portions of
a balanced diet.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

'Have you met my pet?' - Dot

Oh pshaw, on Fri 01 Dec 2006 04:51:39a, TFM® meant to say...

>
> "PeterL" > wrote
>
>> So Diabetes is brought on by either genetics, or through being a fat
>> lazy *******??
>
>
> Absolutely correct!

Agreed. I was the fat lazy ******* type and ended up with Type II diabetes.
With a significant weight loss and a proper diet, I no longer need
medication. Absolutely no one on either side of my family has a history of
diabetes.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

'Have you met my pet?' - Dot

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote

> Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.


I'm sorry dude. My rant was a case of PWI. (Posting While Intoxicated)

TFM®

"PeterL" > wrote in message
...
> "jmcquown" > wrote in
> :
>
>
> >
> > Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to
> > cook for himself since kili can't do much cooking
>
>
> That's a rather presumptuous and 'snitty' thing to say, Red.


Nah, she's just funnin'. Jill and I don't really hate each other.

--
TFM®

DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)

"Serene" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:37:18 GMT, "TFM®"
> > wrote:
>
> >For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease),
a
> >half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> >bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
> >
> >I eat this way every day and lose weight.
> >
> >The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
> >
> >Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol
is
> >normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> I'm glad it works for you. People's bodies are different. My mom's
> kidneys started to fail on that diet.

You have to drink a *lot* of water on that diet. A LOT. I drink about a
gallon a day.

And I have some water too. <G>

--
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DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)

"Nexis" > wrote

> I'm glad you like it and believe it works for you. It'll kill you
eventually, but
> that is your choice.


Eat right, stay fit, die anyway.

TFM®

"PeterL" > wrote

> So Diabetes is brought on by either genetics, or through being a fat
> lazy *******??


Absolutely correct!

--
TFM®

DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)

TFM® wrote:
> "PeterL" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to
>>> cook for himself since kili can't do much cooking
>>
>>
>> That's a rather presumptuous and 'snitty' thing to say, Red.
>
>
> Nah, she's just funnin'. Jill and I don't really hate each other.

Nope, we don't hate each other. But you'd better be making Christy eat some
salad or sumfin, son! Don't make me come over there! (like I could afford
to!) Maybe make her a stir-fry

Jill

"TFM®" > wrote in news:fHUbh.4789$%u3.2220
@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

>
> "PeterL" > wrote
>
>> So Diabetes is brought on by either genetics, or through being a fat
>> lazy *******??
>
>
> Absolutely correct!
>


LOL!!

Well, I'm just glad the genetic version missed me. After spending time
with my lil' sis in August (first time in about 10 years) and seeing
what she has to go thru'...... it's a PITA.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> TFM® wrote:
>> "PeterL" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Damsel, sounds more to me like it's the only thing he knows how to
>>>> cook for himself since kili can't do much cooking
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a rather presumptuous and 'snitty' thing to say, Red.
>>
>>
>> Nah, she's just funnin'. Jill and I don't really hate each other.
>
> Nope, we don't hate each other. But you'd better be making Christy
> eat some salad or sumfin, son! Don't make me come over there! (like I
> could afford to!) Maybe make her a stir-fry
>


Well, I made some Mongolian Chicken for dinner tonight, and there's
leftovers.... so if TFM wants some, all he has to do is give me his
snail mail address and I'll mail some over to him :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'

http://www.beccycole.com/albums/vide...ter_girl.shtml

In article >,
says...
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>

<snip>

>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
>
> --

That the Atkins diet works for many people - including me - is old news,
even in the medical establishment. To be honest, your diet sounds
disgusting - there's nothing remotely appealing about it.

And, your statement about doctors is so pitifully ignorant that I really
don't know what to say in response.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

There's a book called "Eat Fat, Lose Fat", which might be worth reading
for some additional perspectives on the Adkins diet and the South Beach
variation of it. The two authors, Fallon and Enig, also have a cookbook
out, called "Nourishing Traditions", which in addition to having many
good recipes, offers a lot of general nutritional wisdom.

Bob
===========================
In article >,
says...
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
> normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
> on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
> actually cure the disease.
>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
>
> --
> TFM®
> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida
>

TFM® wrote:
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>

Dude if I ate like that I'd shit my pants before I even got off my
chair.

-L.

In article 9>,
Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> > insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Is it a sure thing that you'll be Type I? Not everyone progresses to that.
> Mine Type II has regressed to diet controlled only.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

Ditto here... He probably just needs a decent endocrinologist.

I'm lucky that way. :-)
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"Serene" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:17:49 -0800, "Nexis" > wrote:
>
>>They do NOT put diabetics on low fat, high carb diets. Diabetics used to be told to
>>avoid carbs altogether...now they are told to minimize carbs. I should know. I am
>>diabetic.
>
> So is my partner, and he's not told to minimize carbs in the way I
> think you mean. In fact, we eat a lot of carbs, but they're mostly
> whole grains and so on. He's essentially reversed his diabetes this
> way. Everyone's different.
>
> Serene

Serene,

I should have been more specific. Diabetics are told (most often, though I'm sure
there are exceptions as there are with every rule) to avoid SIMPLE carbs. Complex
carbs are another story altogether.

kimberly

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote:

> Damsel in dis Dress >
> :


> > There's no cure for diabetes.


That's correct. They don't call it a cure, they call it CONTROL. You
can eliminate the symptoms for years, but once you lose control, it's
right back.

> Diabetes sucks. I'm type II for now. I'll be type I shortly. I'll be
> insulin depenenet. I just have to deal with it.


I don't understand. As Kimberly posted, many Type II diabetics use
insulin. My uncle takes three doses a day. He exercises, is lean and
watches his diet. People generally don't go from Type II to Type I. I
expect I'll be on insulin at some point, most of the people on both
sides of my family are diabetic.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote

> Yes, portion control probably has more to do with losing and maintaining
> one's weight than anything else. I know in my case that I always ate a
> fairly balanced diet, but just way too much of everything. I know it's a
> moot point, but with Alan's activity level in the work he does, it should
> be relatively easy to maintain a proper weight by eating normal portions
of
> a balanced diet.


Yes, but I'm an absolute glutton and Atkins lets me be one and not blow up
like a blimp.

I eat my vitamins as directed in the book and drink a *lot* of water. Beer
is mostly water BTW, and it *does* count as water intake even though alcohol
itself is a diuretic.

As has been noted before, not everyone is the same. It works for me and
I'll continue to sing its praises.

--
TFM®
Zephyrhills (78.6 f) Florida

Oh pshaw, on Fri 01 Dec 2006 02:14:32p, TFM® meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Yes, portion control probably has more to do with losing and
>> maintaining one's weight than anything else. I know in my case that I
>> always ate a fairly balanced diet, but just way too much of everything.
>> I know it's a moot point, but with Alan's activity level in the work
>> he does, it should be relatively easy to maintain a proper weight by
>> eating normal portions of a balanced diet.
>
>
> Yes, but I'm an absolute glutton and Atkins lets me be one and not blow
> up like a blimp.
>
> I eat my vitamins as directed in the book and drink a *lot* of water.
> Beer is mostly water BTW, and it *does* count as water intake even
> though alcohol itself is a diuretic.
>
> As has been noted before, not everyone is the same. It works for me and
> I'll continue to sing its praises.

Understood. If it works for you, then that's what you should do. That's
why i do what i do. :-)

Cheers!

--
Wayne Boatwright @¿@¬
_____________________

TFM® wrote:
> For supper tonight I had 4 Jumbo fried eggs (deep fried in bacon grease), a
> half a pound of bacon and one bolita of chorizo with 2 pieces of low carb
> bread toasted with *gobs* of butter on them.
>
> I eat this way every day and lose weight.
>
> The good Dr. Atkins wasn't making this shit up.
>
> Let the arguments pour in. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is
> normal and I feel ****ing great.
>
> Doctors don't condone it. When you're diagnosed with diabetes, they put you
> on a low fat, high carb diet. They're about 180 degrees off of what would
> actually cure the disease.
>
> Here's an idea...Instead of arguing with me and/or flaming me, read the
> book. Read it with an open mind. Doctors are the worst ones in the world
> to trust your health to. After all, they want you to keep coming back to
> them rather than actually fixing yourself. (basic economics)
>
>
> --
> TFM®
> Zephyrhills (I'll have 4 fried chickens and a diet Coke) Florida
>
>
>
>
>

I read the book and tried the Atkins diet and it just didn't work for me. I
don't eat that much meat as it is and there were very few meat alternatives
like tofu, beans or seitan. You also had to limit the fruits and vegetables
which I didn't like.

All in all, it got to the point where I was dreading each meal. I wasn't
looking forward to eating, it was becoming a contest to see how quickly I
could eat so I could get full before I started to feel queasy.

There was just too much grease and fat for my taste and not enough fruits and
vegetables.

I know people who have done very well on this diet, I just can't.

I think you're off on the diabetes thing, though. Both my mom and sister are
borderline type 2 diabetes and they are both on a low fat AND low carb diet
(though my mom doesn't follow hers, my sister does).

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by your mom's house.

"The Bubbo" > wrote

> There was just too much grease and fat for my taste and not enough fruits
and
> vegetables.

I'm a big fan of grease and fat so it works out ok for me. The vegetables
that are allowed also happen to be my faves so that's another bonus.

>
> I know people who have done very well on this diet, I just can't.

I understand. I wouldn't do very well on a tofu diet either. <G>

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