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Diabetes Nutrition

By eating well-balanced meals in the correct amounts, you can keep
your blood glucose level as close to normal (non-diabetes level) as
possible.

1. Why do I need to see a dietitian?
2. Can I eat foods with sugar in them?
The truth is that sugar has gotten a bad reputation. People with
diabetes can and do eat sugar.
http://www.americanvistas.com/diabetes_topics.htm
What foods can I eat a lot of? ALL LISTED here
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>Diabetes Nutrition
>
>By eating well-balanced meals in the correct amounts, you can keep
>your blood glucose level as close to normal (non-diabetes level) as
>possible.
>
>1. Why do I need to see a dietitian?
>2. Can I eat foods with sugar in them?
>The truth is that sugar has gotten a bad reputation. People with
>diabetes can and do eat sugar.
>http://www.americanvistas.com/diabetes_topics.htm
>What foods can I eat a lot of? ALL LISTED here



I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
rarely am over over 115.
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>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>rarely am over over 115.


When do you test?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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off course you can
how else will your blood sugar go way
way way way
way
up


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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
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>On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
>wrote:
>
>>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
>>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>>rarely am over over 115.

>
>When do you test?

I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.
I don't eat cake and candy everyday. EVERYTHING in moderation.
I take glucophage and that helps control the sugar level also.
I just work up and took it and it is 94.
I ate potatoes for dinner BUt had nothing after that.
My doctor is very pleased with all my readings. I was straight up with
her about eating carbs and sugar and she said as long as I don't over
do it.


>
>Nicky.
>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25


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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:11:15 -0500, Jackie Patti >
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wrote:
>
>> The truth is that sugar has gotten a bad reputation. People with
>> diabetes can and do eat sugar.

>
>People with diabetes also can and do have heart attacks, become
>impotent, go on dialysis, suffer neuropathy, go blind, have bits
>amputated and die early deaths.
>
>Of course diabetics *can* eat any kind of crap they want; I have
>diabetic family members who do just that. But it's pretty a high cost
>for some cake and candy bars; personally, I'd rather spring for the
>stevia and keep my organs functioning.
>
>YMMV.


It is too bad your family members don't care about their health. I"m
not saying I sit and eat candy and cake each day but EVERYTHING IN
MODERATION and I do use Splenda in a lot of things.

People who AREN'T diabetics have heart problems, go on dialysis and
have all the problems you listed too. Don't blame diabetes for these
problems. Blame the people who don't take care of themselves.

Does your family see a Dr. on a regular basis?? I do. I see mine every
three months.
Stevia is non existent here in Alaska but I am able to get Splenda.
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:43:58 +1100, "fellaj.s."
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>off course you can
>how else will your blood sugar go way
> way way way
>way
> up


Mine doesn't go way way way up. It is called MODERATION.
And knowing when to stop.
Medicine controls my sugar levels.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:21:12 -0900, Anna >
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>On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>>>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
>>>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>>>rarely am over over 115.

>>
>>When do you test?

>I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.


Right. So actually, you don't know what sugar is doing to your blood
glucose, because you're not catching the spikes.

Try this link for how to test:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm

And this one for why, and at what levels damage starts to occur:
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

Sugar will be a pretty fast spike. You might want to start testing at
around 15 minutes and keep going until it drops again.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Right. So actually, you don't know what sugar is doing to your blood
glucose, because you're not catching the spikes.

Try this link for how to test:

http://www.americanvistas.com/diabetes_topics.htm



On Dec 26, 9:33*pm, Nicky > wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:21:12 -0900, Anna >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
> >wrote:

>
> >>On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
> >>wrote:

>
> >>>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
> >>>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
> >>>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
> >>>rarely am over over 115.

>
> >>When do you test?

> >I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.

>
> Right. So actually, you don't know what sugar is doing to your blood
> glucose, because you're not catching the spikes.
>
> Try this link for how to test:http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm
>
> And this one for why, and at what levels damage starts to occur:http://www..phlaunt.com/diabetes/
>
> Sugar will be a pretty fast spike. You might want to start testing at
> around 15 minutes and keep going until it drops again.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% *BMI 25




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I have seen too many people who are diagnosed with DM, get a scrip for a
pill and rudimentary instructions for testing maybe once a day and a
printed ADA exchange diet that they can't comprehend, but their doctor
warns them to "eat sugar" After all they have "sugar Diabetes"!

Believe me folks, I've known people with sky-high numbers who never went
near a grain of sugar but hadn't a clue that the potatoes and rice in
their dinner was just as bad as table sugar.

What most of these patients are not told is that a single slice of
Wonder Bread is the equivalent of a tablespoon of sugar in carbohydrates.

There is no reason a DM cannot have sugar as long as that sugar is
factored into the allotted amount of carbohydrates that keep the meter
smiling. If it's your birthday, forgo any other carbs at dinner. Just
eat some meat or fish and a *little* piece of cake for dessert.

People wind up going off their meal plans because they feel deprived and
have a need to cheat. Then they really get into high-number trouble.

Count the carbs and make portion adjustments for how your body handles
them and enjoy your life.

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Anna wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:11:15 -0500, Jackie Patti >
> wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The truth is that sugar has gotten a bad reputation. People with
>>> diabetes can and do eat sugar.

>> People with diabetes also can and do have heart attacks, become
>> impotent, go on dialysis, suffer neuropathy, go blind, have bits
>> amputated and die early deaths.
>>
>> Of course diabetics *can* eat any kind of crap they want; I have
>> diabetic family members who do just that. But it's pretty a high cost
>> for some cake and candy bars; personally, I'd rather spring for the
>> stevia and keep my organs functioning.
>>
>> YMMV.

>Blame the people who don't take care of themselves.


Yeah, like eating piles of sugar as the original poster in this thread
suggested.

> Does your family see a Dr. on a regular basis?? I do. I see mine every
> three months.


My MIL sees several doctors every month.

Don't know about my uncle-in-law or either sister as they don't discuss
their health with me.


> Stevia is non existent here in Alaska but I am able to get Splenda.


I use both. And aspartame and cyclamates also.

And I do have recipes in which a TB of blackstrap molasses is used in a
marinade or something. Very teeny, tiny amounts of sugar spread over
several servings. And yeah, that doesn't spike my bg. But I'd hardly
start a thread announcing that diabetics can all eat molasses.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:24:53 -0500, Jackie Patti >
wrote:

>Anna wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:11:15 -0500, Jackie Patti >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The truth is that sugar has gotten a bad reputation. People with
>>>> diabetes can and do eat sugar.
>>> People with diabetes also can and do have heart attacks, become
>>> impotent, go on dialysis, suffer neuropathy, go blind, have bits
>>> amputated and die early deaths.
>>>
>>> Of course diabetics *can* eat any kind of crap they want; I have
>>> diabetic family members who do just that. But it's pretty a high cost
>>> for some cake and candy bars; personally, I'd rather spring for the
>>> stevia and keep my organs functioning.
>>>
>>> YMMV.

>>Blame the people who don't take care of themselves.

>
>Yeah, like eating piles of sugar as the original poster in this thread
>suggested.
>
>> Does your family see a Dr. on a regular basis?? I do. I see mine every
>> three months.

>
>My MIL sees several doctors every month.
>
>Don't know about my uncle-in-law or either sister as they don't discuss
>their health with me.
>
>
>> Stevia is non existent here in Alaska but I am able to get Splenda.

>
>I use both. And aspartame and cyclamates also.
>
>And I do have recipes in which a TB of blackstrap molasses is used in a
>marinade or something. Very teeny, tiny amounts of sugar spread over
>several servings. And yeah, that doesn't spike my bg. But I'd hardly
>start a thread announcing that diabetics can all eat molasses.


Now that is interesting about the molasses. I do limit what I eat and
even my weight has dropped considerably too which helps too.
Ive used the Splenda in things and not told my husband and he doesn't
know the difference.

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why be a diabetic (type2?)
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:26:52 +1100, "fellaj.s."
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>anna
>why be a diabetic (type2?)


Are you a doctor?? I see mine on a regualr basis and if she is pleased
with the way my sugar counts are I don't lie to her and tell her I eat
everything in moderation I guess it really doesn't matter what you
think. You aren't treating me.


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Anna wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:24:53 -0500, Jackie Patti >
> wrote:
>> And I do have recipes in which a TB of blackstrap molasses is used in a
>> marinade or something. Very teeny, tiny amounts of sugar spread over
>> several servings. And yeah, that doesn't spike my bg. But I'd hardly
>> start a thread announcing that diabetics can all eat molasses.

>
> Now that is interesting about the molasses. I do limit what I eat and
> even my weight has dropped considerably too which helps too.
> Ive used the Splenda in things and not told my husband and he doesn't
> know the difference.


My husband doesn't like aspartame or sucralose, which is why I use
stevia more often.

He was drinking stevia-sweetened lemonade for months before he noticed I
hadn't made a "regular" and "diet" version - that he was drinking mine.

He also hasn't yet noticed that my cole slaw and homemade relishes and
pickles only come in one version now too.

It's more noticeable in some things than others; when no one can tell
the difference, I leave the sugar out.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:01:33 -0600, Janet Wilder
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>What most of these patients are not told is that a single slice of
>Wonder Bread is the equivalent of a tablespoon of sugar in carbohydrates.


I'll have to agree with that. I hadn't a clue about potatoes until I
was diagnosed and started keeping track of my blood sugar. And I've
noticed most of the general public just picture a diabetic taking a
shot and eating whatever.

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AmyW wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:01:33 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> What most of these patients are not told is that a single slice of
>> Wonder Bread is the equivalent of a tablespoon of sugar in carbohydrates.

>
> I'll have to agree with that. I hadn't a clue about potatoes until I
> was diagnosed and started keeping track of my blood sugar. And I've
> noticed most of the general public just picture a diabetic taking a
> shot and eating whatever.
>


No, I don't think that the general public believes that at all. Most
people are exposed to T2 Diabetics who don't use insulin. I think most
of the general public, including many cookbook authors, think that just
substituting a sugar replacement makes any dessert okay for a Diabetic.
They remain clueless about the added carbohydrates of the flour, fruit,
milk, etc. (Too many DMs aren't properly educated and think the same,
unfortunately)

After writing to the editor of one of the Reiman Publication cooking
magazines several times in regard to their "Diabetic-Friendly" recipes
that contained 45 or more grams of carbohydrates per serving to explain
that *all* carbohydrates must be considered in a recipe for Diabetics, I
finally canceled my subscription.

I would have kept it up for some of the other recipes, but their failure
to respond led me to believe that they just didn't care.


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i am Not a doc.
i am never going to treat you ....
my question is not how happy you and doc are
so i will repeat for argument sake
why be a "moderate" type 2 diabetic?
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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
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> AmyW wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:01:33 -0600, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> What most of these patients are not told is that a single slice of
>>> Wonder Bread is the equivalent of a tablespoon of sugar in
>>> carbohydrates.

>>
>> I'll have to agree with that. I hadn't a clue about potatoes until I
>> was diagnosed and started keeping track of my blood sugar. And I've
>> noticed most of the general public just picture a diabetic taking a
>> shot and eating whatever.
>>

>
> No, I don't think that the general public believes that at all. Most
> people are exposed to T2 Diabetics who don't use insulin. I think most of
> the general public, including many cookbook authors, think that just
> substituting a sugar replacement makes any dessert okay for a Diabetic.
> They remain clueless about the added carbohydrates of the flour, fruit,
> milk, etc. (Too many DMs aren't properly educated and think the same,
> unfortunately)
>
> After writing to the editor of one of the Reiman Publication cooking
> magazines several times in regard to their "Diabetic-Friendly" recipes
> that contained 45 or more grams of carbohydrates per serving to explain
> that *all* carbohydrates must be considered in a recipe for Diabetics, I
> finally canceled my subscription.
>
> I would have kept it up for some of the other recipes, but their failure
> to respond led me to believe that they just didn't care.


I have to agree with you there. I've yet to meet anyone who knew that we
had to watch our carbs unless perhaps they had an immediate family member
with diabetes. And even then, they didn't necessarily realize that the
carbs were the culprit. I've often heard people say things like "Brown rice
or bread is good! White rice or bread is bad!" They also seem to think
that cereal is good so long as it doesn't contain sugar. What they don't
seem to realize is that they have to watch portion size.




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"fellaj.s." > wrote in message
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>i am Not a doc.
> i am never going to treat you ....
> my question is not how happy you and doc are
> so i will repeat for argument sake
> why be a "moderate" type 2 diabetic?


There is no such term.


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if you can eat "in moderation" and be a diabetic
ergo
a "moderate diabetic"
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"fellaj.s." <" > wrote in message
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> if you can eat "in moderation" and be a diabetic
> ergo
> a "moderate diabetic"


That makes no sense. If you could eat in moderation and have moderate BG
that would make sense. But it just doesn't work that way.


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On Dec 26, 10:21*am, Anna > wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
> >wrote:

>
> >>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
> >>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
> >>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
> >>rarely am over over 115.

>
> >When do you test?

>
> I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.
> I don't eat cake and candy everyday. EVERYTHING in moderation.
> I take glucophage and that helps control the sugar level also.
> I just work up and took it and it is 94.
> I ate potatoes for dinner BUt had nothing after that.
> My doctor is very pleased with all my readings. I was straight up with
> her about eating carbs and sugar and she said as long as I don't over
> do it.
>

You folks in a.f.diabetic should be aware that this Anna idiot also
advocates sucking down Cool Whip.
I wouldn't trust her to sift the shit out of my cat's litter box. If
I had a cat, that is.
>
> >Nicky.


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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:44:38 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo®"
> wrote:

>On Dec 26, 10:21*am, Anna > wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
>> >wrote:

>>
>> >>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>> >>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
>> >>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>> >>rarely am over over 115.

>>
>> >When do you test?

>>
>> I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.
>> I don't eat cake and candy everyday. EVERYTHING in moderation.
>> I take glucophage and that helps control the sugar level also.
>> I just work up and took it and it is 94.
>> I ate potatoes for dinner BUt had nothing after that.
>> My doctor is very pleased with all my readings. I was straight up with
>> her about eating carbs and sugar and she said as long as I don't over
>> do it.
>>

>You folks in a.f.diabetic should be aware that this Anna idiot also
>advocates sucking down Cool Whip.
>I wouldn't trust her to sift the shit out of my cat's litter box. If
>I had a cat, that is.
>>
>> >Nicky.

>
>--Bryan


why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
advice.
Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.



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Anna wrote:

> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
> advice.
> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
>

Anna,

Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
specially trained nutritionist.

My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.

Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Janet Wilder
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>Anna wrote:
>
>> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
>> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
>> advice.
>> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
>>

> Anna,
>
>Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
>with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
>from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
>specially trained nutritionist.
>
>My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
>well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.
>
>Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
>where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
>one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
>the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
>for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.


My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????
We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
hour.

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Anna wrote:

> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????


Personally, I wouldn't. The ADA is notorious for their concentration on
low-fat and not on the carbohydrates which are the things that make the
blood glucose numbers high.

I have plenty of ADA recipes that are so high in carbs that they are
laughable. Desserts that are 45 grams of carbs (the entire 3 carb-count
servings permitted in your diet).

The ADA does some good things and we have been members for many, many
years, but their recipes are silly.
> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.
>



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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:57:04 -0900, Anna >
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>On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:44:38 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo®"
> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 26, 10:21*am, Anna > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> >>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>>> >>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she had
>>> >>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>>> >>rarely am over over 115.
>>>
>>> >When do you test?
>>>
>>> I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.
>>> I don't eat cake and candy everyday. EVERYTHING in moderation.
>>> I take glucophage and that helps control the sugar level also.
>>> I just work up and took it and it is 94.
>>> I ate potatoes for dinner BUt had nothing after that.
>>> My doctor is very pleased with all my readings. I was straight up with
>>> her about eating carbs and sugar and she said as long as I don't over
>>> do it.
>>>

>>You folks in a.f.diabetic should be aware that this Anna idiot also
>>advocates sucking down Cool Whip.
>>I wouldn't trust her to sift the shit out of my cat's litter box. If
>>I had a cat, that is.
>>>
>>> >Nicky.

>>
>>--Bryan

>
>why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
>here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
>advice.
>Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.


Uh - check who you're insulting.

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"Anna" > wrote in message
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> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS.


That's not true. They also see people with thyroid problems, Cushing's
syndrome and all other forms of endocrine problems.

>All the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????


I wouldn't trust the ADA for much of anything but taking your money. I've
also been to one VERY bad Endo. and another who was not so great. Both of
them allowed me to run hyper thyroid and I had to suffer the consequenses of
it.

> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.


$300 an hour? That sounds rather excessive. But the consult shouldn't take
an hour. Mine have been anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes.




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"Anna" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>>Anna wrote:
>>
>>> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
>>> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
>>> advice.
>>> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
>>>

>> Anna,
>>
>>Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
>>with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
>>from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
>>specially trained nutritionist.
>>
>>My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
>>well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.
>>
>>Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
>>where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
>>one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
>>the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
>>for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.

>
> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS.


So is my doctor and he would never advocate more carbs than I can handle
without spiking.

All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????


No, the ADA advice sucks big time. They ar ein the business of keeping
diabetics ina poor state of health.

> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.


And still get the same shitty advice you are getting from your nurse. Do
yourself a favour and use your meter to the best of its abilities because
right now it seems it is all you have got.


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"Nicky" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:57:04 -0900, Anna >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:44:38 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo®"
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 26, 10:21 am, Anna > wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0000, Nicky >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0900, Anna >
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>I"m diabetic and eat sugar all the time. My blood sugar levels are
>>>> >>very well. I told my doctor I eat everything in moderation and she
>>>> >>had
>>>> >>no problem with because my sugar levels are betwee 80-120. I very
>>>> >>rarely am over over 115.
>>>>
>>>> >When do you test?
>>>>
>>>> I test each morning and then some time throughout the day.
>>>> I don't eat cake and candy everyday. EVERYTHING in moderation.
>>>> I take glucophage and that helps control the sugar level also.
>>>> I just work up and took it and it is 94.
>>>> I ate potatoes for dinner BUt had nothing after that.
>>>> My doctor is very pleased with all my readings. I was straight up with
>>>> her about eating carbs and sugar and she said as long as I don't over
>>>> do it.
>>>>
>>>You folks in a.f.diabetic should be aware that this Anna idiot also
>>>advocates sucking down Cool Whip.
>>>I wouldn't trust her to sift the shit out of my cat's litter box. If
>>>I had a cat, that is.
>>>>
>>>> >Nicky.
>>>
>>>--Bryan

>>
>>why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
>>here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
>>advice.
>>Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.

>
> Uh - check who you're insulting.


Anna is quite naive and uninformed about life in general it seems.


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Janet Wilder > wrote:
: Anna wrote:

: > My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
: > the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
: > so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
: > ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
: > the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

: Personally, I wouldn't. The ADA is notorious for their concentration on
: low-fat and not on the carbohydrates which are the things that make the
: blood glucose numbers high.

: I have plenty of ADA recipes that are so high in carbs that they are
: laughable. Desserts that are 45 grams of carbs (the entire 3 carb-count
: servings permitted in your diet).

: The ADA does some good things and we have been members for many, many
: years, but their recipes are silly.
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My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
heavy manual labor.

Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).

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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
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> My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
> ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
> are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
> heavy manual labor.
>
> Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
> units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
> ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
> amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
> complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
> that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
> guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
> stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).


I've been told that those recipes are intended for people with type 1 who
can shoot insulin to cover the carbs they eat.


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In article >,
Anna > wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >Anna wrote:
> >
> >> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
> >> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
> >> advice.
> >> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
> >>

> > Anna,
> >
> >Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
> >with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
> >from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
> >specially trained nutritionist.
> >
> >My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
> >well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.
> >
> >Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
> >where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
> >one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
> >the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
> >for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.

>
> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????


No. The ADA is a surprisingly bad source of information for type 2
diabetics. Or are you type 1? You haven't given us any information to
go on.

> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.


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Julie Bove wrote:
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
>> ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
>> are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
>> heavy manual labor.
>>
>> Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
>> units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
>> ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
>> amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
>> complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
>> that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
>> guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
>> stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).

>
> I've been told that those recipes are intended for people with type 1 who
> can shoot insulin to cover the carbs they eat.
>
>

That would be a whole lot of insulin! There has to be a calculation of
carbs being eaten and blood glucose level made for the bolus. Type 1s
have to watch their carbs, too.

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Anna wrote:

> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS.


Yeah, endos do not just deal with diabetics though; diabetes is the most
common, but not the only endocrine disorder.

> All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her.


If it were me, I'd check with the AACE rather than the ADA. The AACE is
an association of professional endocrinologists, not just a random group
of whomevers.

The AACE guidelines are evidence-based.

> My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????


Well, I read what the ADA had to say 20 years ago and absolutely decided
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On Dec 26 2007, 9:25*am, Anna > wrote:
> Mine doesn't go way way way up. It is called MODERATION.
> And knowing when to stop.
> Medicine controls my sugar levels.


Would you mind disclosing your most recent A1C level?

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