Hi, new here. Sorry if this question has been done to death here, but I am
transitioning into total vegedom, I like to cook, and would like to hear any
or all opinions concerning soy/rice/whatever meat substitutes. I love the
Chinese style faux meats a lot, especially the mock duck, pork..I am looking
for any places in the So Cal area, or shipped if this is feasible.Thanks for
any help, c

Stig wrote:
> Hi, new here. Sorry if this question has been done to death here, but I am
> transitioning into total vegedom, I like to cook, and would like to hear any
> or all opinions concerning soy/rice/whatever meat substitutes. I love the
> Chinese style faux meats a lot, especially the mock duck, pork..I am looking
> for any places in the So Cal area, or shipped if this is feasible.Thanks for
> any help, c

If you like to cook, you might find my website handy.

http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

It's got links to hundreds of free online vegetarian recipe sites.

I used to know a Stig in Toronto years ago. You're not him, are you?

> I used to know a Stig in Toronto years ago. You're not him, are you?
>Sorry, though I did marry a Toronto girl many years ago..c

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:11:00 -0700, "Stig" > wrote:

>Hi, new here. Sorry if this question has been done to death here, but I am
>transitioning into total vegedom, I like to cook, and would like to hear any
>or all opinions concerning soy/rice/whatever meat substitutes.

· From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

Here we see plowing:
http://tinyurl.com/8fmxe

and here harrowing:
http://tinyurl.com/zqr2v

both of which kill animals by crushing, mutilation, suffocation,
and exposing them to predators. We can see that planting
kills in similar ways:
http://tinyurl.com/k6sku

and killing with insecticides should be apparent even to you:
http://tinyurl.com/ew2j5

Harvesting kills of course by crushing and mutilation, and
it also removes the surviving animals' food and exposes
them to predators:
http://tinyurl.com/otp5l

In the case of rice there's additional killing as well caused
by flooding:
http://tinyurl.com/qhqx3

and later by draining after a new environment is established,
then destroyed before harvest:
http://tinyurl.com/mte43

Please explain how you think cattle eating grass:
http://tinyurl.com/q7whm
could cause anywhere near as much suffering and death.