"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Dutch" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote
>> >>
>> >> > *So many aggressive men and just little ole me*
>> >>
>> >> You're agressive, aggressively stupid.
>> >
>> > Rudy vanishes and Dutch appears. Hmm?
>>
>> Paranoia hmmm
>
> Yup. A suspicion. When someone discloses (evidence) that they have been
> speaking to me for weeks, when I respond to someone named Rudy, yes. I
> am now suspicious.

I am not using any other identities.

> Although, whomever has to assume a second identity is
> the one who appears foolish.

Who says he *has to*?

"Ron" > wrote
> "Dutch" > wrote:

[..]
>
>> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
>> >> >> anything interesting.
>> >> >
>> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
>> >> > say
>> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
>> >>
>> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
>> >> choosing
>> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
>> >> better.
>> >
>> > I agree that you have that power.
>>
>> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else. Please
>> get that through your head.
>>
>> > That could be easily accomplished by
>> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using stalling
>> > and diversions.
>>
>> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
>> meaningless
>> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
>> another
>> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
>> advancing the cause.
>
> I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
> requisite actions.

That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I can
resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I am
telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all along.
When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down to
the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which is
why I have accussed you of trolling.

> I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
> have joined.

I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
about you, what's your agenda?

>> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
>>
>> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

"Ron" > wrote
> "Dutch" > wrote:

[..]
>
>> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
>> >> >> anything interesting.
>> >> >
>> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
>> >> > say
>> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
>> >>
>> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
>> >> choosing
>> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
>> >> better.
>> >
>> > I agree that you have that power.
>>
>> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else. Please
>> get that through your head.
>>
>> > That could be easily accomplished by
>> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using stalling
>> > and diversions.
>>
>> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
>> meaningless
>> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
>> another
>> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
>> advancing the cause.
>
> I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
> requisite actions.

That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I can
resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I am
telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all along.
When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down to
the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which is
why I have accussed you of trolling.

> I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
> have joined.

I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
about you, what's your agenda?

>> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
>>
>> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > *So many aggressive men and just little ole me*
> >> >>
> >> >> You're agressive, aggressively stupid.
> >> >
> >> > Rudy vanishes and Dutch appears. Hmm?
> >>
> >> Paranoia hmmm
> >
> > Yup. A suspicion. When someone discloses (evidence) that they have been
> > speaking to me for weeks, when I respond to someone named Rudy, yes. I
> > am now suspicious.
>
> I am not using any other identities.
>
> > Although, whomever has to assume a second identity is
> > the one who appears foolish.
>
> Who says he *has to*?

Why should we assume it is a "he"?

At any rate, this bores me. I'll move on.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > *So many aggressive men and just little ole me*
> >> >>
> >> >> You're agressive, aggressively stupid.
> >> >
> >> > Rudy vanishes and Dutch appears. Hmm?
> >>
> >> Paranoia hmmm
> >
> > Yup. A suspicion. When someone discloses (evidence) that they have been
> > speaking to me for weeks, when I respond to someone named Rudy, yes. I
> > am now suspicious.
>
> I am not using any other identities.
>
> > Although, whomever has to assume a second identity is
> > the one who appears foolish.
>
> Who says he *has to*?

Why should we assume it is a "he"?

At any rate, this bores me. I'll move on.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote
> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>
> [..]
> >
> >> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
> >> >> >> anything interesting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
> >> >> > say
> >> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
> >> >>
> >> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
> >> >> choosing
> >> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
> >> >> better.
> >> >
> >> > I agree that you have that power.
> >>
> >> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else. Please
> >> get that through your head.
> >>
> >> > That could be easily accomplished by
> >> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using stalling
> >> > and diversions.
> >>
> >> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
> >> meaningless
> >> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
> >> another
> >> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
> >> advancing the cause.
> >
> > I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
> > requisite actions.
>
> That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I can
> resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I am
> telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all along.
> When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down to
> the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
> themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which is
> why I have accussed you of trolling.

Responding is different than answering the question posed.

Example. Do you like the colour green? Answer: I like a lot of colours.
I think my favourite colour is blue. This is a response, but it doesn't
answer the question that was posed. This is where we disagree. That you
respond is different from responding to the question that was asked.

> > I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
> > have joined.
>
> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
> about you, what's your agenda?

I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from moment
to moment.

> >> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
> >>
> >> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Dutch" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
>> >> > >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ron" > wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > *So many aggressive men and just little ole me*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're agressive, aggressively stupid.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rudy vanishes and Dutch appears. Hmm?
>> >>
>> >> Paranoia hmmm
>> >
>> > Yup. A suspicion. When someone discloses (evidence) that they have been
>> > speaking to me for weeks, when I respond to someone named Rudy, yes. I
>> > am now suspicious.
>>
>> I am not using any other identities.
>>
>> > Although, whomever has to assume a second identity is
>> > the one who appears foolish.
>>
>> Who says he *has to*?
>
> Why should we assume it is a "he"?
>
> At any rate, this bores me. I'll move on.

Tough, you've been boring me since the beginning.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote
>> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>> >
>> >> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
>> >> >> >> anything interesting.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
>> >> >> choosing
>> >> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
>> >> >> better.
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree that you have that power.
>> >>
>> >> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else.
>> >> Please
>> >> get that through your head.
>> >>
>> >> > That could be easily accomplished by
>> >> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using
>> >> > stalling
>> >> > and diversions.
>> >>
>> >> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
>> >> meaningless
>> >> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
>> >> another
>> >> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
>> >> advancing the cause.
>> >
>> > I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
>> > requisite actions.
>>
>> That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I
>> can
>> resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I
>> am
>> telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all
>> along.
>> When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down
>> to
>> the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
>> themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which
>> is
>> why I have accussed you of trolling.
>
> Responding is different than answering the question posed.

I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom leads
anywhere.

> Example. Do you like the colour green? Answer: I like a lot of colours.
> I think my favourite colour is blue. This is a response, but it doesn't
> answer the question that was posed. This is where we disagree. That you
> respond is different from responding to the question that was asked.
>
>> > I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
>> > have joined.
>>
>> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
>> about you, what's your agenda?
>
> I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from moment
> to moment.

What are some of them?

>> >> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
>> >>
>> >> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote
>> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>> >
>> >> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
>> >> >> >> anything interesting.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
>> >> >> choosing
>> >> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
>> >> >> better.
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree that you have that power.
>> >>
>> >> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else.
>> >> Please
>> >> get that through your head.
>> >>
>> >> > That could be easily accomplished by
>> >> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using
>> >> > stalling
>> >> > and diversions.
>> >>
>> >> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
>> >> meaningless
>> >> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
>> >> another
>> >> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
>> >> advancing the cause.
>> >
>> > I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
>> > requisite actions.
>>
>> That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I
>> can
>> resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I
>> am
>> telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all
>> along.
>> When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down
>> to
>> the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
>> themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which
>> is
>> why I have accussed you of trolling.
>
> Responding is different than answering the question posed.

I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom leads
anywhere.

> Example. Do you like the colour green? Answer: I like a lot of colours.
> I think my favourite colour is blue. This is a response, but it doesn't
> answer the question that was posed. This is where we disagree. That you
> respond is different from responding to the question that was asked.
>
>> > I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
>> > have joined.
>>
>> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
>> about you, what's your agenda?
>
> I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from moment
> to moment.

What are some of them?

>> >> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
>> >>
>> >> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
> >>
> >> [..]
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Your lack of substance is preventing this thread from turning to
> >> >> >> >> anything interesting.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > roflmao, Yes, I control the discussion. I control your ability to
> >> >> >> > say
> >> >> >> > anything else. I am all powerful.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You have the power to make this an interesting discussion, you are
> >> >> >> choosing
> >> >> >> instead to make it into a mockery. Why? Interesting discussions are
> >> >> >> better.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I agree that you have that power.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, Ron, *you* are the one holding up the works, YOU! Nobody else.
> >> >> Please
> >> >> get that through your head.
> >> >>
> >> >> > That could be easily accomplished by
> >> >> > answer one of the questions that was posed rather than using
> >> >> > stalling
> >> >> > and diversions.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have humoured you by answering a considerable number of your
> >> >> meaningless
> >> >> questions, it makes no difference, you don't learn, you simply ask
> >> >> another
> >> >> meaningless question, and another, and so on, ad absurdum. This is not
> >> >> advancing the cause.
> >> >
> >> > I didn't ask you to humour me, you made that decision and took the
> >> > requisite actions.
> >>
> >> That is true, I am doing it voluntarily, however you have posited that I
> >> can
> >> resolve the current impasse in the discussion by answering a question. I
> >> am
> >> telling you that won't work, it's what I have been trying to do all
> >> along.
> >> When I answer your questions, you don't follow up, you simply skip down
> >> to
> >> the bottom of the message and move on to another question. The questions
> >> themselves suggest that you aren't giving the issue much thought, which
> >> is
> >> why I have accussed you of trolling.
> >
> > Responding is different than answering the question posed.
>
> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom leads
> anywhere.

You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute answers
to the questions posed is another matter.

> > Example. Do you like the colour green? Answer: I like a lot of colours.
> > I think my favourite colour is blue. This is a response, but it doesn't
> > answer the question that was posed. This is where we disagree. That you
> > respond is different from responding to the question that was asked.
> >
> >> > I wasn't aware of the agenda or the cause that you seem to assume
> >> > have joined.
> >>
> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth. How
> >> about you, what's your agenda?
> >
> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from moment
> > to moment.
>
> What are some of them?

My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do find
it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a personal
level and in a public conference.

Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose to
avoid the bait.

> >> >> > I'll just wait for the 'new and improved' great minds to surface.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't wait any longer, use YOUR mind.

"Ron" > wrote
> "Dutch" > wrote:
[..]

>> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom leads
>> anywhere.
>
> You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute answers
> to the questions posed is another matter.

They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I can only
assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no adequate
response.

[..]

>> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth.
>> >> How
>> >> about you, what's your agenda?
>> >
>> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
>> > moment
>> > to moment.
>>
>> What are some of them?
>
> My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do find
> it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a personal
> level and in a public conference.

What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time talking
with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.

> Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose to
> avoid the bait.

Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote
> > "Dutch" > wrote:
> [..]
>
> >> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom leads
> >> anywhere.
> >
> > You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute answers
> > to the questions posed is another matter.
>
> They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I can only
> assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no adequate
> response.

Or the third option, where you refused to respond directly to a question
asked that I ignored it and moved to the next point.

> [..]
>
> >> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and truth.
> >> >> How
> >> >> about you, what's your agenda?
> >> >
> >> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
> >> > moment
> >> > to moment.
> >>
> >> What are some of them?
> >
> > My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do find
> > it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a personal
> > level and in a public conference.
>
> What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time talking
> with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
> asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.

You have the right to ask and I have the right to decide what is
information that I deem irrelevant to the discussion. I don't think you
have that right to know anything about me other than what I am prepared
to tell you. Further, as I declared weeks ago, if I want something from
you, I'll ask for it. I hope that resolves the issue for you.

> > Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose to
> > avoid the bait.
>
> Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..

An idea that has a wealth of evidence to support it. I'm trying to quit
smoking says the smoker. I'm trying to quit drinking says the alcoholic.
I'm trying to be civil says the abusive personality.

You are always welcome to present conflicting examples.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote
>> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>> [..]
>>
>> >> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom
>> >> leads
>> >> anywhere.
>> >
>> > You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute answers
>> > to the questions posed is another matter.
>>
>> They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I can
>> only
>> assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no adequate
>> response.
>
> Or the third option, where you refused to respond directly to a question
> asked that I ignored it and moved to the next point.

My responses are direct, you just don't like them.

[..]
>>
>> >> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and
>> >> >> truth.
>> >> >> How
>> >> >> about you, what's your agenda?
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
>> >> > moment
>> >> > to moment.
>> >>
>> >> What are some of them?
>> >
>> > My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do find
>> > it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a personal
>> > level and in a public conference.
>>
>> What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time
>> talking
>> with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
>> asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.
>
> You have the right to ask and I have the right to decide what is
> information that I deem irrelevant to the discussion. I don't think you
> have that right to know anything about me other than what I am prepared
> to tell you. Further, as I declared weeks ago, if I want something from
> you, I'll ask for it. I hope that resolves the issue for you.

Don't kid yourself, you want something or you wouldn't be here. The only
question is whether or not you are prepared to be honest about it.

>
>> > Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose to
>> > avoid the bait.
>>
>> Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..
>
> An idea that has a wealth of evidence to support it. I'm trying to quit
> smoking says the smoker. I'm trying to quit drinking says the alcoholic.
> I'm trying to be civil says the abusive personality.
>
> You are always welcome to present conflicting examples.

I am trying to earn a degree in higher mathematics, I am trying to develop
debating skills, I am trying to develop my vocabulary, I am trying to expand
my mind, I am trying to high jump six feet, I am trying make the perfect
cheesecake.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
> >> [..]
> >>
> >> >> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom
> >> >> leads
> >> >> anywhere.
> >> >
> >> > You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute answers
> >> > to the questions posed is another matter.
> >>
> >> They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I can
> >> only
> >> assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no adequate
> >> response.
> >
> > Or the third option, where you refused to respond directly to a question
> > asked that I ignored it and moved to the next point.
>
> My responses are direct, you just don't like them.

Been there, done that. Enough time wasted.

> [..]
> >>
> >> >> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and
> >> >> >> truth.
> >> >> >> How
> >> >> >> about you, what's your agenda?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
> >> >> > moment
> >> >> > to moment.
> >> >>
> >> >> What are some of them?
> >> >
> >> > My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do find
> >> > it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a personal
> >> > level and in a public conference.
> >>
> >> What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time
> >> talking
> >> with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
> >> asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.
> >
> > You have the right to ask and I have the right to decide what is
> > information that I deem irrelevant to the discussion. I don't think you
> > have that right to know anything about me other than what I am prepared
> > to tell you. Further, as I declared weeks ago, if I want something from
> > you, I'll ask for it. I hope that resolves the issue for you.
>
> Don't kid yourself, you want something or you wouldn't be here. The only
> question is whether or not you are prepared to be honest about it.

To presume that I want something and that I want it from you is purely
you speculating again. Don't let me stop you.

> >> > Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose to
> >> > avoid the bait.
> >>
> >> Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..
> >
> > An idea that has a wealth of evidence to support it. I'm trying to quit
> > smoking says the smoker. I'm trying to quit drinking says the alcoholic.
> > I'm trying to be civil says the abusive personality.
> >
> > You are always welcome to present conflicting examples.
>
> I am trying to earn a degree in higher mathematics, I am trying to develop
> debating skills, I am trying to develop my vocabulary, I am trying to expand
> my mind, I am trying to high jump six feet, I am trying make the perfect
> cheesecake.

Why try? Just do!

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Dutch" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote
>> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >>
>> >> >> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom
>> >> >> leads
>> >> >> anywhere.
>> >> >
>> >> > You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute
>> >> > answers
>> >> > to the questions posed is another matter.
>> >>
>> >> They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I
>> >> can
>> >> only
>> >> assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no
>> >> adequate
>> >> response.
>> >
>> > Or the third option, where you refused to respond directly to a
>> > question
>> > asked that I ignored it and moved to the next point.
>>
>> My responses are direct, you just don't like them.
>
> Been there, done that. Enough time wasted.
>
>> [..]
>> >>
>> >> >> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and
>> >> >> >> truth.
>> >> >> >> How
>> >> >> >> about you, what's your agenda?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
>> >> >> > moment
>> >> >> > to moment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What are some of them?
>> >> >
>> >> > My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do
>> >> > find
>> >> > it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a
>> >> > personal
>> >> > level and in a public conference.
>> >>
>> >> What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time
>> >> talking
>> >> with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
>> >> asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.
>> >
>> > You have the right to ask and I have the right to decide what is
>> > information that I deem irrelevant to the discussion. I don't think you
>> > have that right to know anything about me other than what I am prepared
>> > to tell you. Further, as I declared weeks ago, if I want something from
>> > you, I'll ask for it. I hope that resolves the issue for you.
>>
>> Don't kid yourself, you want something or you wouldn't be here. The only
>> question is whether or not you are prepared to be honest about it.
>
> To presume that I want something and that I want it from you is purely
> you speculating again. Don't let me stop you.
>
>> >> > Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose
>> >> > to
>> >> > avoid the bait.
>> >>
>> >> Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..
>> >
>> > An idea that has a wealth of evidence to support it. I'm trying to quit
>> > smoking says the smoker. I'm trying to quit drinking says the
>> > alcoholic.
>> > I'm trying to be civil says the abusive personality.
>> >
>> > You are always welcome to present conflicting examples.
>>
>> I am trying to earn a degree in higher mathematics, I am trying to
>> develop
>> debating skills, I am trying to develop my vocabulary, I am trying to
>> expand
>> my mind, I am trying to high jump six feet, I am trying make the perfect
>> cheesecake.
>
> Why try? Just do!

OK Nancy! :>) I get the point you are making and I agree with your examples,
but some things require an ongoing effort, so it is valid to say I am trying
to achieve "X" because I have not yet attained the skill or knowledge to do
it.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, "Dutch" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote
>> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >>
>> >> >> I have answered dozens of your questions and challenges. It seldom
>> >> >> leads
>> >> >> anywhere.
>> >> >
>> >> > You have responded consistently. That your responses constitute
>> >> > answers
>> >> > to the questions posed is another matter.
>> >>
>> >> They were direct answers. In most cases they went unchallenged so I
>> >> can
>> >> only
>> >> assume that either you were satisfied with the answer or had no
>> >> adequate
>> >> response.
>> >
>> > Or the third option, where you refused to respond directly to a
>> > question
>> > asked that I ignored it and moved to the next point.
>>
>> My responses are direct, you just don't like them.
>
> Been there, done that. Enough time wasted.
>
>> [..]
>> >>
>> >> >> >> I am trying to expand my mind, discover and express ideas and
>> >> >> >> truth.
>> >> >> >> How
>> >> >> >> about you, what's your agenda?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't have "an" agenda. My intentions and motivations vary from
>> >> >> > moment
>> >> >> > to moment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What are some of them?
>> >> >
>> >> > My motivations range the full spectrum of human motivations. I do
>> >> > find
>> >> > it interesting that you are wanting me to discuss myself at a
>> >> > personal
>> >> > level and in a public conference.
>> >>
>> >> What are these but our personal ideas? If I am going to spend time
>> >> talking
>> >> with you I think I have a right to ask what you want from me. I'm not
>> >> asking for details of your sex life, or your name and address.
>> >
>> > You have the right to ask and I have the right to decide what is
>> > information that I deem irrelevant to the discussion. I don't think you
>> > have that right to know anything about me other than what I am prepared
>> > to tell you. Further, as I declared weeks ago, if I want something from
>> > you, I'll ask for it. I hope that resolves the issue for you.
>>
>> Don't kid yourself, you want something or you wouldn't be here. The only
>> question is whether or not you are prepared to be honest about it.
>
> To presume that I want something and that I want it from you is purely
> you speculating again. Don't let me stop you.
>
>> >> > Considering I view the use of the term "trying" as lying, I choose
>> >> > to
>> >> > avoid the bait.
>> >>
>> >> Another foolish idea you misappropriated from somewhere..
>> >
>> > An idea that has a wealth of evidence to support it. I'm trying to quit
>> > smoking says the smoker. I'm trying to quit drinking says the
>> > alcoholic.
>> > I'm trying to be civil says the abusive personality.
>> >
>> > You are always welcome to present conflicting examples.
>>
>> I am trying to earn a degree in higher mathematics, I am trying to
>> develop
>> debating skills, I am trying to develop my vocabulary, I am trying to
>> expand
>> my mind, I am trying to high jump six feet, I am trying make the perfect
>> cheesecake.
>
> Why try? Just do!

OK Nancy! :>) I get the point you are making and I agree with your examples,
but some things require an ongoing effort, so it is valid to say I am trying
to achieve "X" because I have not yet attained the skill or knowledge to do
it.