On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:44:22 -0500, Ron > wrote:
>In article >,
> Derek > wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:52:14 -0500, Ron > wrote:
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message ...
>> [..]
>> >> > I'm glad that you are venting your hostility and aggression on a
>> >> > keyboard and not on some unsuspecting person near to you. I hope there
>> >> > aren't children in your vicinity.
>> >> >
>> >> > The vegan can't be responsible for their action, just as the farmer
>> >> > can't be responsible for their own action. Your theory thus far has made
>> >> > that clear. The farmer can't control their actions, they are powerless
>> >> > before me. One word from me and they must kill. I command them. They are
>> >> > my slaves. I throw in the promise of a few bucks and my minions respond.
>> >> ===============
>> >> Lack of any logical response noted, fool. Keep up the good work proving
>> >> your ignorance and stupidity....
>> >
>> >Ah, rick! Hello! It is you that didn't respond. You have argued that the
>> >killers of animals are not responsible and that the consumer is
>> >responsible. I asked then, who is responsible for the consumer's
>> >actions? How can you logically state that one is responsible for the
>> >other, but not vice versa.
>> >
>> >I'm sorry you're looking foolish, rick. But this is the outcome of the
>> >beliefs that you are advocating here in your attempt to make vegans look
>> >bad.
>>
>> Rick, like all the other buck-passers here insists that
>> the vegan must falsely take on the responsibility for
>> the wrong actions of others, thereby enabling those
>> wrong actions to continue and to make themselves
>> fellow enablers of those wrong actions. In my view,
>> his argument aims to recruit vegan apologists and
>> enablers so he can then go on to insist that they are
>> showing a contempt for the rights of animals when
>> buying vegetables.
>
>You've known him longer than I have. I have my own observations about
>his style and methods.

Sorry for 'poisoning the well'. I certainly don't intend to
enter into this debate to insult Rick, only for the discussion
to be turned from it's original track and onto him instead.

> We'll see how the discussion goes.

I understand.