On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are
>>>>>
>>>>>not
>>
>> They are
>
>NOT

Can't you go through a single thread without having to edit your
opponent's replies, pusher?

They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

>> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>
>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

Spoken like the true user you are, trying to push your substances
onto clean targets by calling them hypocrites.

It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>not
>>>
>>>They are
>>
>>NOT
>
> Can't you

I can do a lot more than you, you unemployed, self-crippled fat ****.

> They are

NOT

> doing exactly what they say they're doing:

Some of their claims:
1. "Until we stop exploiting animals, billions will continue to abused,
neglected and killed."
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/vegan.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too.

2. "Cruelty-free Diet Promoted at High Schools."
http://www.vivausa.org/newsreleases/02-01.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Viva also claims to be
...a dynamic organization campaigning on behalf of animals
killed for food.
http://www.vivausa.org/index.html

They just mean the ones that actually end up on plates, not the ones
killed in the fields for their own food.

3. One AR site lists:
Cruelty free diets :
* Vegetarian use the discussion board for more help !
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian : eats both dairy products and
eggs.
Lacto-vegetarian : eats dairy products but not eggs.
Ovo-vegetarian : eats eggs but not dairy products.
* Vegan : does not eat dairy products, eggs or any other
animal or fish product.
* Fruitarian : eats only raw fruits
http://www.animalsuffering.com/

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
humane slaughter which they object.

Etc.

Your point is flawed, you unemployed, morbidly obese dope. Vegans claim
to do a lot more than merely not eat meat. They claim that merely not
eating meat (or other animal products) has a certain result: the
cessation of animal deaths. They refuse to alter their behavior when
it's demonstrated that their consumption does NOT change the result they
seek. They're hypocritical poseurs for advocating a solution that
worsens the initial "problem" rather than addressing it in any
meaningful, practical way.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>
<restore>
They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

>> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>
>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

Spoken like the true user you are, trying to push your substances
onto clean targets by calling them hypocrites.

>>>>They're no better or worse
>>>>than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>>>

It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>
> <restore>
> They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
> from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.
>
>
>>>you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>>
>>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.
>
>
> Spoken like the true

You mean truth.

Some of their claims:
1. "Until we stop exploiting animals, billions will continue to abused,
neglected and killed."
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/vegan.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too.

2. "Cruelty-free Diet Promoted at High Schools."
http://www.vivausa.org/newsreleases/02-01.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Viva also claims to be
...a dynamic organization campaigning on behalf of animals
killed for food.
http://www.vivausa.org/index.html

They just mean the ones that actually end up on plates, not the ones
killed in the fields for their own food.

3. One AR site lists:
Cruelty free diets :
* Vegetarian use the discussion board for more help !
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian : eats both dairy products and
eggs.
Lacto-vegetarian : eats dairy products but not eggs.
Ovo-vegetarian : eats eggs but not dairy products.
* Vegan : does not eat dairy products, eggs or any other
animal or fish product.
* Fruitarian : eats only raw fruits
http://www.animalsuffering.com/

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
humane slaughter which they object.

Etc.

Your point is flawed, you unemployed, morbidly obese dope. Vegans claim
to do a lot more than merely not eat meat. They claim that merely not
eating meat (or other animal products) has a certain result: the
cessation of animal deaths. They refuse to alter their behavior when
it's demonstrated that their consumption does NOT change the result they
seek. They're hypocritical poseurs for advocating a solution that
worsens the initial "problem" rather than addressing it in any
meaningful, practical way.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:25 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>>
>> <restore>
>> They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
>> from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

You didn't comment on this, pusher, but at least
you left it in this time.

>>>>you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>>>
>>>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.
>>
>> Spoken like the true
>
>You mean truth.

No I meant what you keep snipping away. I meant that
what you wrote was spoken like the true user you are,
trying to push your substances onto clean targets by
calling them hypocrites.

You are a pusher, and like any other pusher you'll lie to
your targets here to make it easier to push your unwanted
substances onto them.

It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:25 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>><restore>
>>>They are

NOT

>>>doing exactly what they say they're doing:

Their claims include:
1. "Until we stop exploiting animals, billions will continue to abused,
neglected and killed."
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/vegan.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too.

2. "Cruelty-free Diet Promoted at High Schools."
http://www.vivausa.org/newsreleases/02-01.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Viva also claims to be
...a dynamic organization campaigning on behalf of animals
killed for food.
http://www.vivausa.org/index.html

They just mean the ones that actually end up on plates, not the ones
killed in the fields for their own food.

3. One AR site lists:
Cruelty free diets :
* Vegetarian use the discussion board for more help !
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian : eats both dairy products and
eggs.
Lacto-vegetarian : eats dairy products but not eggs.
Ovo-vegetarian : eats eggs but not dairy products.
* Vegan : does not eat dairy products, eggs or any other
animal or fish product.
* Fruitarian : eats only raw fruits
http://www.animalsuffering.com/

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
humane slaughter which they object.

Etc.

Your point is flawed, you unemployed, morbidly obese dope. Vegans claim
to do a lot more than merely not eat meat. They claim that merely not
eating meat (or other animal products) has a certain result: the
cessation of animal deaths. They refuse to alter their behavior when
it's demonstrated that their consumption does NOT change the result they
seek. They're hypocritical poseurs for advocating a solution that
worsens the initial "problem" rather than addressing it in any
meaningful, practical way.

> You didn't comment on this,

I overlooked it. Thanks for pointing it out, fatso.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:54:01 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:25 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>><restore>

Your constant editing of my replies is getting ridiculous
and shows you have nothing to offer as a valid response
to my remarks. Can't you go through a single thread
without having to edit your opponent's replies, pusher?

<restore>
They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

>> you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>
>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.

Spoken like the true user you are, trying to push your substances
onto clean targets by calling them hypocrites.

>>>>They're no better or worse
>>>>than drug pushers, in my opinion,
>>>
>>>So says the
>
>Un
>> clean
>
>fat ****
>
>> who doesn't
>
>practice what he preaches.
>
>>>>their product onto non-users in the very same way with
>>>
>>>What a terrible analogy
>>
>> It's a perfect
>
>**** up.

Oh how clever; you made a sentence out of four or more
other sentences.

<restore>
It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!

In article >,
usual suspect > wrote:

> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> humane slaughter which they object.

Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the ingredients
for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
products, continues to kill.

"Ron" > wrote

> usual suspect > wrote:
>
>> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> humane slaughter which they object.
>
> Killed, of course, by meat eaters.

Ipse dixit, in any case it's irrelevant, the vegan hires this person to do
his dirty work for him and thus is equally culpable. If you go to the street
and ask a common thief to steal you a stereo, you are complicit in that
crime when it is committed.

> When the vegan buys the ingredients
> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> products, continues to kill.

Farmers kill animals, regardless of their personal diets.

In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote
>
> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >
> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>
> Ipse dixit, in any case it's irrelevant, the vegan hires this person to do
> his dirty work for him and thus is equally culpable. If you go to the street
> and ask a common thief to steal you a stereo, you are complicit in that
> crime when it is committed.

It's the lesser "evil". Animal killers are one step from being human
killers. Better them than me. It's unfortunate, but a reality of being
human. I often would like to ask someone who raises livestock (kills
animals en masse) how it feels when they kill one animal after another.

> > When the vegan buys the ingredients
> > for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> > rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> > products, continues to kill.
>
> Farmers kill animals, regardless of their personal diets.

Farmers are killers though. They are the one's I leave to kill animals.
I use their supplies so that they will confine their violence and
aggression to other animals. Any law that would prohibit the mass
killing of those animals would only leave those who are that
bloodthirsty to take it out on their spouses, children and the community.

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> usual suspect > wrote:
>
>> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>> humane slaughter which they object.
>
> Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
=================
You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it up.




When the vegan buys the ingredients
> for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> products, continues to kill.

In article et>,
"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >
> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> =================
> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it up.

What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
usual? Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
part. Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
animals are vegan or meat eater?

Ron wrote:

>>This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>>production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>>drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>>humane slaughter which they object.
>
>
> Killed, of course, by meat eaters.

You mean by meat-eating farmers hired by urbanite vegans to produce food
at the lowest possible price rather than the most peculiar set of
pseudo-ethics. Vegans are hypocritical scumbags, and so are you for so
feebly attempting to defend them.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:25 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>Reynard wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reynard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>>
>> <restore>
>> They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
>> from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.

You didn't comment on this, pusher, but at least
you left it in this time.

>>>>you attack them and belittle their efforts at staying 'clean.'
>>>
>>>They're not clean, they're hypocrites.
>>
>> Spoken like the true
>
>You mean truth.

No I meant what you keep snipping away. I meant that
what you wrote was spoken like the true user you are,
trying to push your substances onto clean targets by
calling them hypocrites.

You are a pusher, and like any other pusher you'll lie to
your targets here to make it easier to push your unwanted
substances onto them.

It's a perfect analogy, pusher.

An analogy is written in the form.
A is like B.
B has property P.
Therefore, A has property P.

(A) A pusher pushing meat
is like
(B) A pusher pushing drugs
(B) has the property (P), a dependency for his product
and a desire to push it onto others.

Therefore, (A) a pusher pushing meat has the property
(P), a dependency for his product and a desire to push it
onto others.

Shove off, pusher!