Retard wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
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>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>
>>>>>They are
>>>>
>>>>not
>>
>
> They are

NOT

> doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
> from meat,

Some of their claims:
1. "Until we stop exploiting animals, billions will continue to abused,
neglected and killed."
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/vegan.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too.

2. "Cruelty-free Diet Promoted at High Schools."
http://www.vivausa.org/newsreleases/02-01.html

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Viva also claims to be
...a dynamic organization campaigning on behalf of animals
killed for food.
http://www.vivausa.org/index.html

They just mean the ones that actually end up on plates, not the ones
killed in the fields for their own food.

3. One AR site lists:
Cruelty free diets :
* Vegetarian use the discussion board for more help !
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian : eats both dairy products and
eggs.
Lacto-vegetarian : eats dairy products but not eggs.
Ovo-vegetarian : eats eggs but not dairy products.
* Vegan : does not eat dairy products, eggs or any other
animal or fish product.
* Fruitarian : eats only raw fruits
http://www.animalsuffering.com/

This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
humane slaughter which they object.

Etc. Your point is flawed, you unemployed, morbidly obese dope.