On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

>Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>the heart of every living being. Only those with
>spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>one's spiritual ignorance.
>
>The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>causes tensions within them individually, which then
>spreads in their relations with others.
>
>The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>"He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>use of meat."

Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.

http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ

On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>
>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>
>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>> use of meat."
>
> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.
>
> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ

Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.

Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
but religion is among the worst.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:

>On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>
>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>
>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>
>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>> use of meat."
>>
>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really is.
>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>
>Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.

I've never seen such callous cruelty, and if I hadn't seen those pictures of
all those grinning hindoos hacking at the necks and bodies of those hundreds
of thousands of peaceful, gentle young animals, I would find it difficult
to believe such horror exists in this world. Jai Maharaj goes to great
lengths portraying hindoos as being respectful toward animals but, as we can
see by those pictures in that article, they are evil and repulsive toward
them beyond belief. And just look at their grinning hindoo spectators
covering every branch of every tree, often crouched on top of each other
like bugs to get a better view; they're just as evil as the younger hindoo
barbarians carrying out the attacks.

>Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
>but religion is among the worst.

I rejected the lies and all the manipulations that maintain religion when
merely a young boy still struggling to master the 7 times table, and I've
grown to detest it more and more ever since.

On 29/11/2014 09:48, Derek wrote:> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800,
wrote:
>
snip
>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>> use of meat."
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion
really is.
>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>
>> Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>
> I've never seen such callous cruelty, and if I hadn't seen those
pictures of
> all those grinning hindoos hacking at the necks and bodies of those
hundreds
> of thousands of peaceful, gentle young animals, I would find it
difficult
> to believe such horror exists in this world. Jai Maharaj goes to great
> lengths portraying hindoos as being respectful toward animals but, as
we can
> see by those pictures in that article, they are evil and repulsive toward
> them beyond belief. And just look at their grinning hindoo spectators
> covering every branch of every tree, often crouched on top of each other
> like bugs to get a better view; they're just as evil as the younger
hindoo
> barbarians carrying out the attacks.
>


You might try a little balance in future? While that practice is to my
mind barbaric, it's not at all representative of Hinduism, and
perpetrated elsewhere (secular and religious) many fold.

>> Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
>> but religion is among the worst.
>
> I rejected the lies and all the manipulations that maintain religion when
> merely a young boy still struggling to master the 7 times table, and I've
> grown to detest it more and more ever since.
>

Is that 'religion', or the people that use and/or believe in it?--
Cheers, Rob

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:

>On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>
>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>
>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>
>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>> use of meat."
>>
>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.
>>
>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>
>Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.

"The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000 animals were
killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"

I wonder if that's more dogs and cats than PeTA killed during the same time
period, Goob.

>Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
>but religion is among the worst.

IF:
__________________________________________________ _______
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo

"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo

"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
to experience life" - Goo

""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo

"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo

"There is no consideration whatever to be given to any animals' "getting to
experience life."" - Goo

"The "experiencing" of life is morally meaningless." - Goo

"Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit or advantage
to an entity, compared with never existing." - Goo

etc...etc...etc...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
then what makes it vile and irrational when they lose their lives, Goo?

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:48:15 +0000, Derek > wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:
>
>>On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>
>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>> use of meat."
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really is.
>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>
>>Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>
>I've never seen such callous cruelty, and if I hadn't seen those pictures of
>all those grinning hindoos hacking at the necks and bodies of those hundreds
>of thousands of peaceful, gentle young animals, I would find it difficult
>to believe such horror exists in this world. Jai Maharaj goes to great
>lengths portraying hindoos as being respectful toward animals but, as we can
>see by those pictures in that article, they are evil and repulsive toward
>them beyond belief. And just look at their grinning hindoo spectators
>covering every branch of every tree

Yet we can't see any of them grinning or any of them in a tree. How not
unlike you to lie blatantly.

On 12/8/2014 6:30 AM, [email protected]. wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>
>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>> use of meat."
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.
>>>
>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>
>> Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>
> "The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000 animals were
> killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"

The source is irrelevant; all that counts is if it's accurate.

Those senselessly slaughtered animals did not "benefit" by "getting to
experience life." That's settled.

On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:53:50 -0800, Goo wrote:
..
>On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:30:25 -0500, [email protected]. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>>>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>>> use of meat."
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.
>>>>
>>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>>
>>>Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>>
>>"The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000 animals were
>>killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"
>>
>> I wonder if that's more dogs and cats than PeTA killed during the same time
>>period, Goob.
>
>The source is irrelevant;

It was probably about the same then, eh Goo?

>all that counts is if it's accurate.

What number would be acceptable to you Goober?

>>>Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
>>>but religion is among the worst.
>>
>> IF:
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>
>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
>>to experience life" - Goo
>>
>>""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
>>
>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
>>
>>"There is no consideration whatever to be given to any animals' "getting to
>>experience life."" - Goo
>>
>>"The "experiencing" of life is morally meaningless." - Goo
>>
>>"Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit or advantage
>>to an entity, compared with never existing." - Goo
>>
>>etc...etc...etc...
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>then what makes it vile and irrational when they lose their lives, Goo?
>
>Those senselessly slaughtered animals

"Intent doesn't matter" - Goo

>did not "benefit" by "getting to experience life."

You, Derek and Ru have no way of knowing what percentage of them did and
what percentage of them did not Goob. In fact none of you are even able to
consider the distinction, Goo.

On 12/17/2014 10:53 PM, [email protected]. wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:53:50 -0800, wrote:
> .
>> On 12/8/2014 6:30 AM, [email protected]. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>>>>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>>>> use of meat."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion
>>>>> really.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>>>
>>>> Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>>>
>>> "The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000
>>> animals were
>>> killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"
>>
>> The source is irrelevant; all that counts is if it's accurate.
>>
>> Those senselessly slaughtered animals did not "benefit" by "getting to
>> experience life." That's settled.
>
> You, Derek and Ru

No one by the name "Ru".

> have no way of knowing what percentage of them did and
> what percentage of them did not

We do know: 0% "benefited" from "getting to experience life. "Getting
to experience life" is not a benefit - by definition.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:33:26 -0800, Goo lied blatantly:
..
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 01:53:36 -0500, [email protected]. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:53:50 -0800, Goo wrote:
>>.
>>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:30:25 -0500, [email protected]. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>>>>>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>>>>> use of meat."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>>>>
>>>>>Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>>>>
>>>>"The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000 animals were
>>>>killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if that's more dogs and cats than PeTA killed during the same time
>>>>period, Goob.
>>>
>>>The source is irrelevant;
>>
>> It was probably about the same then, eh Goo?
>>
>>>all that counts is if it's accurate.
>>
>> What number would be acceptable to you Goober?
>>
>>>>>Religion is shit. There are plenty of vile irrational belief systems,
>>>>>but religion is among the worst.
>>>>
>>>> IF:
>>>>______________________________________________ ___________
>>>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
>>>>to experience life" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
>>>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"There is no consideration whatever to be given to any animals' "getting to
>>>>experience life."" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"The "experiencing" of life is morally meaningless." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit or advantage
>>>>to an entity, compared with never existing." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>etc...etc...etc...
>>>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>>>then what makes it vile and irrational when they lose their lives, Goo?
>>>
>>>Those senselessly slaughtered animals
>>
>> "Intent doesn't matter" - Goo
>>
>>>did not "benefit" by "getting to experience life."
>>
>> You, Derek and Ru have no way of knowing what percentage of them did and
>>what percentage of them did not Goob. In fact none of you are even able to
>>consider the distinction, Goo.
>
>We do know

Try to explain how any of you could possibly have found out about a single
one of their lives, Goo.

On 12/26/2014 3:03 AM, [email protected]. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:33:26 -0800, wrote:
>> On 12/17/2014 10:53 PM, [email protected]. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:53:50 -0800, wrote:
>>> .
>>>> On 12/8/2014 6:30 AM, [email protected]. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:21:01 -0800, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/28/2014 10:59 AM, Derek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:15:26 GMT, and/or
>>>>>>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many portions of the Vedic literature describe how the
>>>>>>>> Supreme Being is the maintainer of innumerable living
>>>>>>>> entities, humans as well as the animals, and is alive in
>>>>>>>> the heart of every living being. Only those with
>>>>>>>> spiritual consciousness can see the same Supreme Being in
>>>>>>>> His expansion as Supersoul within every creature. To be
>>>>>>>> kind and spiritual toward humans and be a killer or enemy
>>>>>>>> toward animals is not a balanced philosophy, and exhibits
>>>>>>>> one's spiritual ignorance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The next reason for being vegetarian is to consider the
>>>>>>>> amount of fear and suffering that animals experience in
>>>>>>>> the slaughter industry. There are countless stories of
>>>>>>>> how in fear cows cry, scream, and sometimes fall down
>>>>>>>> dead while inside or even before they are taken into the
>>>>>>>> slaughter house. Or how the veins of dead pigs are so big
>>>>>>>> that it shows they have practically exploded from the
>>>>>>>> fear the pig felt and the adrenalin that was produced
>>>>>>>> while it was being led to slaughter. This certainly
>>>>>>>> causes an immense amount of violence to permeate the
>>>>>>>> atmosphere, which goes out and falls back on us in some
>>>>>>>> form. Furthermore, the adrenalin and fear in the animal
>>>>>>>> also produces toxins which then permeate the body of
>>>>>>>> these animals, which meat-eaters ingest. People who
>>>>>>>> consume such things cannot help but be effected by it. It
>>>>>>>> causes tensions within them individually, which then
>>>>>>>> spreads in their relations with others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ancient Vedic text of the Manu-samhita (5.45-8) says,
>>>>>>>> "He who injures innoxious beings from a wish to give
>>>>>>>> himself pleasure never finds happiness, neither living
>>>>>>>> nor dead. He who does not seek to cause the suffering of
>>>>>>>> bonds and death to living creatures, but desires the good
>>>>>>>> of all beings, obtains endless bliss. . . Meat can never
>>>>>>>> be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
>>>>>>>> injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the
>>>>>>>> attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the
>>>>>>>> use of meat."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, well, maybe you ought to learn just how cruel your religion
>>>>>>> really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dailym.ai/1tyw9tZ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sweet mother of ****. Those pictures are shocking beyond words.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The last time the festival was held, in 2009, more than 250,000
>>>>> animals were
>>>>> killed, according to animal rights organisation PETA"
>>>>
>>>> The source is irrelevant; all that counts is if it's accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Those senselessly slaughtered animals did not "benefit" by "getting to
>>>> experience life." That's settled.
>>>
>>> You, Derek and Ru
>>
>> No one by the name "Ru".
>>
>>> have no way of knowing what percentage of them did and
>>> what percentage of them did not
>>
>> We do know: 0% "benefited" from "getting to experience life. "Getting
>> to experience life" is not a benefit - by definition.
>
> Try to explain how any of you could possibly have found out

Done.